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Posted: 10/4/2012 3:53:53 PM
I guess this would be a question for a first responder...if some has a pet in their vehicle and there is an accident that requires the driver to be taken to the hospital...what happens to the pet?

My second question is for a vet or vet tech? How can my dog be comfortable outside in the summer in essentially the same coat as she is in the winter? She's a norfolk terrier, double coat and we would only put a coat on her in the winter if it got down to maybe 20F. So she's fine outside in the temp but the comes into the house which is 70F.....and she's still fine.....how does that work?


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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:04:04 PM
Interesting questions.




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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:04:57 PM
I can't answer your question but wanted to say that I have a Norfolk terror too!
It rarely gets down to 20F, we occasionally get into the 30s, and I will put a coat on her if it's that cold. She really doesn't care, she ignores rain and cold as long as she can look for squirrels.




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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:13:04 PM
Great questions!

Your first question has been on my mind...I have 2 doxies that travel with me a bit...but I put them either in a crate or a harness to the seatbelt..So if I had an accident, they could not bolt and be lost. I don't know what would happen if I had to be taken to the hospital.

I worry about my DD, she also had a doxie pup and travels with her by car...she doesn't restrain her as the dog sits quietly in a bed next to her...I've bought her a harness for the seatbelt, but she hasn't used it so far....makes me so mad!

I'd love for someone who knows to answer that one...

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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:13:10 PM
I am a 911/police/fire ....dispatcher. our city animal control would take the animal to the spca, for safe keeping.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:17:30 PM
I actually thought about asking a question today related to weight loss surgery. But it's such a sensitive topic and I was just being nebby as it doesn't really apply to me. So I decided not to.





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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:17:30 PM
Now, I'm curious to know the answers to these questions. My Golden is an outside dog (her choice--she hates it inside), so her coat changes with the seasons. When it gets really cold she will come in the mudroom, but it's pretty chilly in there.

My dad used to take his dog EVERYWHERE. He had a horrible car accident, and we didn't know what had happened to his dog, until much later. As it turns out, he had left her at home. But, that's a good question. We just thought she was scared and had run away from the accident.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:17:43 PM
For my county, what I know from previous experience; (coworker having an accident). After a traffic accident or house fire with injuries, and there are pets, companion animals, service animals; the local county animal control will take possession and kennel the animals until either other arrangements are made (family/friends claim animals) or the person is released ( from hospitalization). They usually do not charge a fee, but will accept donations of gift cards from local businesses (for supplies).





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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:49:26 PM
My husband is a police officer. If the animal shelter can't pick up the animal they take it back to the police department until someone from the shelter or family can pick it up. They have small kennels at the PD.

Does your Terrier shed? I'm guessing that he probably has a winter 'coat.' Most animals do? We have a Dutch Shepard (brindle Malnois) and you can feel his fur getting thicker in the cooler months. Maybe you don't notice the change because your Terrier isn't as hairy?


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Posted: 10/4/2012 5:43:56 PM
I also wondered what would happen to our doggies if we were both in an accident and hospitalized, especially far from home! I made cards for our wallets that have their vet's info, micro-chip info, current vaccine info, along with phone numbers of family and close friends.


I wanted to be sure someone that loved them would pick them up from the shelter/ SPCA if we both died or had to be in the hospital for a long time.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 5:50:12 PM
I know that here they would be transported to the county animal shelter or to a vet that is on call.

I know this because we used to take our dogs with us all the time and then we had a terrible accident that sent us both to the hospital. We almost had the dogs with us that night but at the last moment decided to leave them home. If we had, they would have become 100+ pound projectiles and I would have had to worry about them as well as us.

I've never found a good alternative to contain them in the car. They are t00 large for one kennel in the car and the barrier gates that you can get to separate the front from the back aren't so secure either since they aren't actually mounted in the car with anything but tension. For that reason, they almost never go with us unless it is necessary.

I do, however, always make sure that they have collars with their names and address, on them as well as leashes even if there's no intention that they are going to need to be outside of the car at all.

As far as a dog's coat, it acts as both insulation from the cold and insulation against the heat. That is why, at least with dogs like labs, you never want to shave them.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:19:34 PM
I always wondered if it was cruel to have a dog bred for the cold (husky, samoyed, etc.) live in the south.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:27:55 PM
I used to work in a hospital lab on second shift. I swear to God this story is true.

A gay couple and their pet monkey were in a car accident. The couple begged and pleaded for the cops or EMTs to bring the monkey to the hospital. One of the guys was on a back board and the other wasn't hurt too bad but he was hysterical over his partner and the monkey was getting agitated. So there was a monkey jumping all over the room and this other guy that was just falling apart and the other trying to calm them down while he was immobilized. I think the police finally got in touch with one of the emergency after-hours vets and they came and got the monkey and checked it out will his owners were treated.

I don't think I've ever seen something so bizarre in my life as that.





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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:33:55 PM
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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:49:18 PM

I always wondered if it was cruel to have a dog bred for the cold (husky, samoyed, etc.) live in the south.

I had two Keeshonden here (double-coated, long-haired cousin to Norwegian Elk Hounds) - they don't get any more hot than any other dog. I even committed the ultimate no-no once and had one shaved - it didn't make a bit of difference to him. Just make sure they have cool spots to lay (especially indoors) and plenty of water.




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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:59:53 PM
I just want someone to answer why we have both c & k in the alphabet.
While you're at it, why is cat spelled with a c, kitten with a k?

On a more serious note, why is the hot water control usually located on the left?



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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:11:05 PM
DH is a FF, he said they would call animal control.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:01:54 AM

I always wondered if it was cruel to have a dog bred for the cold (husky, samoyed, etc.) live in the south.


No, it's not. Like someone else said, their coats act like insulation and keeps them cool in the summer and warm in the winter.

I know many Samoyed owners in various hot states.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:14:08 AM
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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:03:02 AM
Our ER has a large animal crate for animals brought in from wrecks. They stay until the patient's family arrives to take them home.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:08:50 AM
Another cold climate dog in a hot state owner checking in. I grew up with an Alaskan Malamute in California. He did well with the heat, even outside -- we just always made sure he had water. One summer, it got crazy hot and my dad installed mysters for him. But other than that he was easy -- and we didn't have AC back then either.

I know TONS of people with Huskies here in Southern California -- all seem to do well.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:48:29 AM
I cannot answer anyone else's question, but may I ask one anyway?

Why do cats purr?
Why are cats the only animals that make a sound to indicate happiness/contentment/pleasure?




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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:18:11 AM
Why do we have a silent "K" in words like knife, knob, and knee? They would sound the same if spelled nife, nob, & nee.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:50:46 AM
^^^ that. We don't need a K!



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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:58:19 AM
I'm bemused by the posts of people saying that their animals "don't mind" this or that. How do they know?



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How is it that Tarzan lives in the jungle with long, flowing hair yet has no beard?




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Why do the plastic hanging things for gift bags (the tab they use to display them in stores) never tear along the perforated edges properly? Half the time when I use a gift bag I feel like the recipient is going to lose a hand pulling something out of the bag.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:48:22 AM
My mom was in a car accident with her bichon. The dog HATES HATES HATES everyone except my mom with a deep burning satanic passion. ESPECIALLY men.

That dog got to take a ride to the hospital, in the ambulance, and got to wait in the emergency room with her.

Apparently my mother "informed" the firemen and ambulance guys in no uncertain terms that they were NOT taking her dog away from her. She was banged up and sore, but obviously not hurt enough to rip the men trying to help her a new one.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:01:37 AM
The silent K in words like knife, knee, knob exists because these words came from Old English and the k was pronounced. Because of the development of the dictionary in the 18th century, spelling was standardized before pronunciation was, so we still have the letters but the k (which was a gutteral sound and not the k as we say it) was left in but not pronounced.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 11:29:19 AM
I have one...
My daughter was reading a dinosaur book to my grandkids last night. We are both wondering how they "know" so much about them when all they have are some bones to work with?? The book even says that they think one has two brains, one in its tail

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Posted: 10/5/2012 11:34:18 AM

I made cards for our wallets that have their vet's info, micro-chip info, current vaccine info, along with phone numbers of family and close friends.


That is such a good idea! Thanks, I am going to do this on my crafting day this week.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 11:36:23 AM
I have a question: do you really think 20F (or 30F !!!) is that cold?

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Posted: 10/5/2012 11:41:25 AM

My daughter was reading a dinosaur book to my grandkids last night. We are both wondering how they "know" so much about them when all they have are some bones to work with?? The book even says that they think one has two brains, one in its tail

They have a lot more than just bones - they have fossil impressions of skin, feathers, fossilized eggs, millions of years of natural history to draw on, the details of locations the bones were found, and many many many other clues that they can put together to get a pretty good idea of what was going on. I don't think many paleontologists will say that we know too many things *definitively* but their speculations are usually well founded.

All that said, which dinosaur the the book say they thought had a second brain? My son is obsessed with dinosaurs and we have done tons of reading on countless varieties, but I've never come across that. Now I'm curious.

My question is why our indoor-only cat still has seasonal coat changes.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:32:00 PM
busypea, I am at work right now. I will get the name of the book and let you know!

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Why is the phone keypad the opposite of a calculator/numeric keypad? I work on both and sometimes it drives me crazy.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:02:12 PM

I have a question: do you really think 20F (or 30F !!!) is that cold?


I do now. But ask me in January and I won't.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:56:26 PM

Your first question has been on my mind...I have 2 doxies that travel with me a bit...but I put them either in a crate or a harness to the seatbelt..So if I had an accident, they could not bolt and be lost. I don't know what would happen if I had to be taken to the hospital.


I know of a lot of accidents where the crates can be damaged, open and the dogs bolt. I still crate mine though. There's a lot of debate as to which type of crate is best in a wreck - wire or solid-sided (vari-kennel type). Both of them have their pros and cons.

Here's a description of an accident that happened this year. Not all of her dogs were crated, though.
Elicia Calhoun - accident recap


Sometimes even the strongest individual needs help. This week it was Elicia Calhoun a top agility trainer, competitor, handler and speaker who needed help after she and her carload of dogs were involved in a multiple rollover accident in the middle of the Arizona desert around 8;30 on a Monday morning. She remembers vividly each sound, sight and bump and bang of the event. From the concoupheny of noise to a single yelp and silence. The car had landed upright and as she shoved the dashboard and airbag away so she could exit the car over the hood, all she could think about were her dogs and their safety.

Her 13 week old Kelpi puppy Tsunami who had been in a crate that was secured in the front seat, 12 ½ year old Iceman, 9 year old Breesea (both Border Collies), 12 month old Destiny, 9 ½ year old Nika (Aussies) and 3 year old Tobie (Breeseas daughter a B/C) who had been riding loose in the back seat were thrown out of the vehicle at impact and she didn’t know where they were.

Many people stopped to help her and Elicia immediately enlisted help to find her dogs. She did find 3 of them, BreeSea, Destiny and Iceman but 3 were still missing. Elicia herself was injured and when the medics and ambulance came they insisted she leave the site – she wouldn’t do so without one of the bystanders and a border patrol agent promising to keep looking for her dogs.

When word got out of the accident through a posting by Petsweekly on facebook.com several individuals shared the posts and reached out to friends in that area who hit the ground running. Several of them got together via chat or phone and one of them set up a group on facebook so that all the information would be in once place. Word spread like wildfire and quickly there were over 3,000 members sharing the plea for help and soon help of all types was being offered.

As Elicia was signing herself out of the hospital (against doctors wishes) she got notified that Tsuanmi’s body had been found and though she grieved she knew there were still 2 dogs missing that needed her and needed her NOW. The desert temps range from low 50s to 103 degrees and threats of dehydration, hypothermia and death by wildlife or by passing vehicles were a very real threat.

Hours had passed and the large community who had banded together online were as emotionally invested in finding the 2 remaining dogs and committed themselves to action. Animal Communicators were consulted and were in touch with the dogs. An online contribution site was created as were lost signs. Inquiries and arrangements were made for planes, billboards and even a military heat seeking device was implemented. The word spread via facebook, the dog community, television news stations, truckers, HAM and CB operators to the horse community and to ranchers in the surrounding area.

During the search, most of which was done by foot or truck out in the desert terrain, word came that Nika’s body had been spotted in the median of the freeway. It was around 7pm and Elicia went to her body held her and cried. She knew that her spirit was no longer with her body and drew upon the strength inside her to move forward to find the remaining dog. It would be dark soon and Tobie needed her mommy. As the air chilled and the sunlight faded the volunteers who had been searching late into the night finally set up camp roadside – some sleeping in their cars with their hazards on while Elicia slept outside in case Tobie came to look for her. Several volunteers could swear they heard yips of a dog in the night, but no one could tell which way they came from.

In the very early hours of the next day, the search began again. Sightings of Tobie near cattle renewed the frantic search. During this time a volunteer coming from Tuscon was approaching the crash site and around 8 am on the side of the road she spotted Tobie. Elicia rushed there but no Tobie. They looked again and she had changed directions and was on the opposite side of the freeway. Elicia and a volunteer pulled into median where the dog was and honked the horn the dog looked at Elicia – recognized her but went running in the opposite direction IN FRONT OF A BIG RIG! NOT AFTER ALL OF THIS said the volunteer and Elicia hit the ground running. She crossed behind the big rig and got to the opposite side. Tobie knew it was her, but wasn’t cooperating at all, she was running away! Finally Elicia and a friend were able to herd the herding dog and as soon as she got Tobie safely in her arms a photo was taken.

News was quickly sent, all volunteers were notified, pending actions cancelled and by now the over 5,000 people involved via facebook rejoiced.

Elicia and the volunteers took care of the medical needs of the dogs, she checked into the ER for followup. The end result? Her punctured lung was almost healed and the cuts, contusions and hemotoma would heal in time. Iceman, Destiny, Breesea and Tobie have some minor injuries – some have sliced or worn pads, bruises, mobility issue and though at some point Tobie had also been hit by a car she should be fully recovered in a few months.

This accident bonded a community together. People from all over the world were involved and watching the updates from their home computers. People drove from miles to help with the search or did what they could from where ever they lived. The strength and dedication of a dog mom was tested. Her reminder to enjoy every minute you have with your dogs, you never know when it might be your last was heard loud and clear. While many find online communities a dangerous or unsafe atmosphere, in this case it was a loving, giving and sharing place and through that positive energy a miracle happened.

Written by: Deborah Davidson Harpur





There was a woman who was driving back from St. Louis to Chicago who did have crated dogs; one bolted. The driver did not survive the crash in that incident, but several volunteers went out and were able to find the missing dog.

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I made cards for our wallets that have their vet's info, micro-chip info, current vaccine info, along with phone numbers of family and close friends.
That's great! I know there are some cards and forms online for those who don't have them already. Also keep a current photo with your dog's paperwork.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:06:00 PM
I don't have an answer for the 2nd question, but I have a situation that happened locally for the first.

Accident occurred, not sure who called 911. When the paramedics/first responders opened the door to get the driver out, the dog took off on a very busy bypass and ran into the woods. It took many many weeks of a dedicated rescue team to get the dog. The dog was really scared. Person was still in the hospital and they had to bring the dog to the shelter. Not sure what happened afterward, but this is a real situation that could happen. (Dog rescue person was also my dog walker at the time, that's how I heard this story)

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:06:13 PM

I have a question: do you really think 20F (or 30F !!!) is that cold?


hell yes!!!! 60F is cold!

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:07:13 PM

Why is the phone keypad the opposite of a calculator/numeric keypad? I work on both and sometimes it drives me crazy.


I know this one! It is because people who knew the 10-key were too fast for the early push button phones, so they intentionally reversed the keys to slow them down.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:11:34 PM
"I have a question: do you really think 20F (or 30F !!!) is that cold?"

Absolutely! Having lived here in coastal So Cal my whole life i think it's really cold at 45


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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:45:56 PM

"I have a question: do you really think 20F (or 30F !!!) is that cold?"

hell yes!!!! 60F is cold!

Absolutely! Having lived here in coastal So Cal my whole life i think it's really cold at 45


Like cold enough to put a jacket on a dog?

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:53:42 PM

Why is the phone keypad the opposite of a calculator/numeric keypad? I work on both and sometimes it drives me crazy.
I know this one! It is because people who knew the 10-key were too fast for the early push button phones, so they intentionally reversed the keys to slow them down.
I did not know this, and I was wondering the same thing. Thanks for asking and for answering!

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:58:59 PM

The silent K in words like knife, knee, knob exists because these words came from Old English and the k was pronounced. Because of the development of the dictionary in the 18th century, spelling was standardized before pronunciation was, so we still have the letters but the k (which was a gutteral sound and not the k as we say it) was left in but not pronounced.


Aaah - that makes sense (even though we could have changed it - we changed other words in the US like theater and color for example) but thanks for explaining. Also...Welcome to NSBR - even though you've been a pea for 2 years, I see this is your first post - yay!!

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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:05:27 PM

It is because people who knew the 10-key were too fast for the early push button phones, so they intentionally reversed the keys to slow them down.

Wait, what? Why would they want to slow them down?
Is it because of accuracy?


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:12:19 PM
Why is it that my daughter is awesome in math and my son does pretty good himself.. but mom and dad are complete idiots when it comes to math? Where did they end up with that gene? LOL



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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:50:42 PM

All that said, which dinosaur the the book say they thought had a second brain?


My dinosaur crazy 10 year old says that scientist used to believe that stegosaurus had a brain in the tail, but have recently changed their minds on that one. I was shocked to look through a more current dino encyclopedia we bought our kids and see how many dinos were small and what a large percentage of them had feathers. Such a change from what I remember being taught as a child. Also, on the how do they know front, they do a lot of guessing, but things like fossilized stomach contents, fossilized foot prints, marks on the bones from where tendons attached, etc. all help them make more educated guesses.

As for why we have both a C and K in the alphabet it's for the same reason that we have so many phonemes with multiple spellings. English is a bit of a mutt language. We picked up words and spellings and pronunciations from other languages. It's what happens when your little island gets conquered a lot and then you go around conquering other peoples.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:50:44 PM
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