"I pay taxes for schools and am kidless."

Two Peas is Closing
Click here to visit our final product sale. Click here to visit our FAQ page regarding the closing of Two Peas.

Posted 10/6/2012 by mrgiedrnkr in NSBR Board
1 2 >
 

mrgiedrnkr
PeaAddict

PeaNut 26,978
January 2002
Posts: 1,366
Layouts: 117
Loc: Omaha, Nebraska

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:06:12 AM
I see this argument posted several times when it comes to complaining about taxes for unused services. For a long time, we didn't think we would be able to have children but I never, ever made this argument. Even though I was paying property taxes for services my children would never use, I USED THEM for 13 years.

So, unless you were homeschooled or went to a private school, isn't this complaint unfounded?
Stacy

Sarah*H
Bring me that horizon!

PeaNut 239,162
December 2005
Posts: 29,196
Layouts: 417
Loc: The final frontier

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:10:29 AM
It's also unfounded unless you want to live in a community with terrible property values and a bunch of uneducated hooligans running around too.



~Lindy~
Catty smart aleck

PeaNut 89,450
June 2003
Posts: 17,604
Layouts: 40
Loc: Gone to Chemo with BethAnne.

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:12:55 AM
Most taxpayers never use tax-funded fire/rescue services in their community either. But would you want to live in a community without a fire department?


-Lindy

"It's not how you look but how you see."

missbitts
Rampage!

PeaNut 273,938
August 2006
Posts: 5,447
Layouts: 50
Loc: On the right side.

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:14:17 AM
We're kidless and pay a stinkin' fortune in property taxes. I don't complain, per se, about paying for the education of our youth because I think that's important. Now, do I like the amount and the distribution of those taxes? That's a whole 'nother thread, and one I don't have the time (or temper) for today!

*~*amanda*~*
...

PeaNut 393,905
October 2008
Posts: 7,415
Layouts: 0
Loc: Illinois

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:18:00 AM
I think the complaint is unfounded regardless of a familys situation.

If you don't drive can you stop paying taxes that are used to maintain roads?

If you never use the fire department can you stop paying that portion of your taxes?

Its just dumb.



pennyring
Thrift Ninja

PeaNut 226,011
October 2005
Posts: 23,312
Layouts: 40
Loc: Rite Aid

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:18:16 AM
What we find annoying is paying for your children's education, and then you get a bunch of tax credits for having said children. Something's not quite right there...




Woobster
The Banana Under the Couch Pea

PeaNut 295,941
February 2007
Posts: 8,089
Layouts: 0
Loc: Somewhere over the rainbow...

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:20:41 AM

I don't have children and have never used the local schools at all.

We ALL pay for stuff that we personally don't need or use bc it is of benefit to the whole society.


This was posted by Mariah in the birth control thread, and I agree with it.

I'm childfree by choice. I also live in a neighborhood that has a brand new high school... Which I voted for and which also raised my property taxes.

ETA... I also agree with this...

What we find annoying is paying for your children's education, and then you get a bunch of tax credits for having said children. Something's not quite right there...

*Sara*
insert clever Pea Title here

PeaNut 36,466
April 2002
Posts: 7,499
Layouts: 80
Loc: upstate NY

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:21:08 AM
We're kidless. You never see me complain about paying school taxes because I think it's part of the social contract of living in America, but I have used it to counter when other people have said, "I shouldn't have to pay for X." I often see Peas complain about paying property taxes when they pay for private school. One could also counter that my parents paid for my education with their property taxes.


- Sara

*Shannah*
You know what grinds my gears?

PeaNut 242,768
January 2006
Posts: 6,620
Layouts: 2
Loc: Where the rabbits roam free....

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:22:38 AM
I remember my parents were soooo pissed that they raised the taxes AFTER I finished high school to pay for a new high school. they're still paying for it 15 years later and the school wants MORE money to build/remodel what they have. drives them crazy. I never complained before having a kid and I won't complain when she's out of the house.

obliolait
PeaAddict

PeaNut 550,788
April 2012
Posts: 1,482
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:22:49 AM
Having educated citizens benefits everyone, childless people included.

*Sara*
insert clever Pea Title here

PeaNut 36,466
April 2002
Posts: 7,499
Layouts: 80
Loc: upstate NY

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:24:34 AM

What we find annoying is paying for your children's education, and then you get a bunch of tax credits for having said children. Something's not quite right there...

Yeah, credits and deductions for having children do frustrate me every once in a while - usually when I see/hear people boasting about the huge refund they got and the only major difference between us is they have children and I don't. Just because we don't have kids doesn't mean we have a bunch of extra money to give to the government to subsidize others' decisions to have children. I do recognize that it is expensive to have children, but part of the reason I don't have children is because we couldn't afford them between the mortgage and my massive student loan debt.


- Sara

nighthawk
PeaFixture

PeaNut 118,730
December 2003
Posts: 3,675
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:26:50 AM
I hate this argument. Everyone should pay taxes for schools, I don't care if they go to private, homeschool, you don't have kids, you had kids and they are all grown.

While funding is not the only problem with public schools it is one of the biggest ones. We should willingly pay taxes on public schools so we can be proud of those schools. These schools help churn out the next generation of productive members of society.

And I get that not everyone is meant to be college bound but everyone deserves a good basic education so if that is a path they wish they have a chance. I do think we should bring back more vocational ed back for those who aren't (which is a whole other argument) but public education should be for all and it should be funded by all.


Michelle Rae
PeaAddict

PeaNut 11,947
March 2001
Posts: 1,852
Layouts: 23

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:27:59 AM
If all property owners didn't pay school taxes then schools would be in even worse shape than they already are.

If our children are not educated then what kind of shape would the US be in?!! I know that I for one would not want to live in that world.

Even when you don't have kids or your kids are grown and no longer in school everyone should want our schools to be successful. If children are not properly educated we'll all be picking up the bill for the future uneducated adults because they most likely will be on welfare.

I could be wrong but are child tax credits given because we pay school taxes? I didn't think that was the reason these credits exist.


Uploaded with iPhone client

mzza111
PeaAddict

PeaNut 57,891
December 2002
Posts: 1,811
Layouts: 2
Loc: Orange County, CA

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:29:38 AM

What we find annoying is paying for your children's education, and then you get a bunch of tax credits for having said children. Something's not quite right there...


Exactly!

PeaJaneRun
StuckOnPeas

PeaNut 202,203
April 2005
Posts: 2,878
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:31:08 AM

We're kidless. You never see me complain about paying school taxes because I think it's part of the social contract of living in America, but I have used it to counter when other people have said, "I shouldn't have to pay for X." I often see Peas complain about paying property taxes when they pay for private school. One could also counter that my parents paid for my education with their property taxes.


This is me as well.

Dalai Mama
La Pea Boheme

PeaNut 49,641
September 2002
Posts: 26,337
Layouts: 85
Loc: Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:33:59 AM
There isn't a person in the country who doesn't benefit from a public school education, even if it isn't theirs.


Jo Mama

***********************************

Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight. - Bruce Cockburn

The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams


gryroagain
PeaAddict

PeaNut 463,630
April 2010
Posts: 1,762
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:36:06 AM
The thing with the tax credits makes perfect sense, society wise. It is in society's best interest to encourage child rearing. Someone will have to take care of you when you age, staff the hospitals, etc. You aren't an island. (I mean a general you). If you choose not to have children, you aren't contributing to the replacement of the tax base and citizens, just drawing from it. Thus, no tax credit for you.

*Sara*
insert clever Pea Title here

PeaNut 36,466
April 2002
Posts: 7,499
Layouts: 80
Loc: upstate NY

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:44:23 AM

The thing with the tax credits makes perfect sense, society wise. It is in society's best interest to encourage child rearing.


So some people would stop having children if they didn't have tax credits and deductions? If the difference between having kids and not having kids is a credit from the government, I think those people need to rethink the reasons they're having children.


- Sara

Woobster
The Banana Under the Couch Pea

PeaNut 295,941
February 2007
Posts: 8,089
Layouts: 0
Loc: Somewhere over the rainbow...

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:44:47 AM

If you choose not to have children, you aren't contributing to the replacement of the tax base and citizens, just drawing from it. Thus, no tax credit for you.

If everyone actually paid their required taxes, I might be able to get on board with this.

*maureen*
Bad Wolf

PeaNut 191,892
February 2005
Posts: 6,033
Layouts: 0
Loc: Wheaton

Posted: 10/6/2012 11:52:47 AM
Good schools raise property values which in turn benefits each and every homeowner. People dont have to have a child in a school to receive the benefits of a good school district.

BudgetMama
StuckOnPeas

PeaNut 138,670
March 2004
Posts: 2,354
Layouts: 2
Loc: Oregon

Posted: 10/6/2012 12:39:25 PM
I've never been to jail, yet I continue to pay taxes for that, too. I've also never received services from the VA, yet I happily pay taxes for that.
The idea is that we take care of one another, to the benefit of the whole. The childless person will need doctors and nurses and fireman and policeman in their lives the same as I do, and they need to get an eduction in order to contribute those services to society when they are adults.

Sister BDSQ
Fatty McWeirdboob

PeaNut 319,914
June 2007
Posts: 11,848
Layouts: 0
Loc: Chicago-ish

Posted: 10/6/2012 12:47:29 PM

Even though I was paying property taxes for services my children would never use, I USED THEM for 13 years.

So, unless you were homeschooled or went to a private school, isn't this complaint unfounded?

I didn't own a home and pay taxes when I went to school. Now that I do I own and pay in a town where I did not go to school as a younger person. I really don't understand your point OP.

That being said, I pay taxes in a town where I have no child in school. I don't complain. I may JOKE about it, but as other have said, I pay taxes for a whole lot of stuff I don't use and may never use.
STBSD goes to school in a town where I don't pay taxes.

Seems this whole conversation is moot in my case as it's a wash.

sues
"Surrounded by thugs."

PeaNut 16,228
June 2001
Posts: 33,204
Layouts: 71
Loc: SW Chicago suburbs

Posted: 10/6/2012 1:14:02 PM

Good schools raise property values which in turn benefits each and every homeowner. People don't have to have a child in a school to receive the benefits of a good school district.
Exactly.

angievp
Ideay pues?

PeaNut 143,106
April 2004
Posts: 7,420
Layouts: 36
Loc: Miami

Posted: 10/6/2012 1:22:53 PM
I never understood the "I don't use it therefore I shouldn't help pay for it." Taxes are part of the social contract.

1) schools
2) healthcare
3)police
4) teachers
5) social services

It's part of being a citizen wherever you live.

I wish a lot of people would go to Latin America where schooling is shitty unless you have $. Those countries will always be third world because there's no sense of "we are in this together." It's the rich and then there's "the other." You are very lucky if you are born into "not the other," because if you are, you are screwed. Or, as many say around here, "not my problem." No sense of "citizenship" at all.


doesitmatter?
Ancient Ancestor of Pea

PeaNut 509,811
May 2011
Posts: 6,639
Layouts: 27

Posted: 10/6/2012 1:24:56 PM
The funny thing how much in taxes is each of us actually paying per year? The peas act like they are each personally paying $1 million a year on a $75 income - which is not the case. If you look at the actual numbers, most of aren't really paying that much on an average income. Whats the average income of a pea? $75k? And she pays in what?

I'm just tired of people thinking they shouldn't need to pay taxes. It's part of living in the US - having roads to drive on, a police and fire dept, schools, military protection, etc,.,

Yes we all, or most of us pay taxes - and we all receive some benefits for our taxes. Not everyone benefits from everything but we all benefit from some of the things taxes pay for.




Child of God, follower of Jesus, and so thankful for His presence in my life <><
Uploaded with iPhone client

mrgiedrnkr
PeaAddict

PeaNut 26,978
January 2002
Posts: 1,366
Layouts: 117
Loc: Omaha, Nebraska

Posted: 10/6/2012 1:25:36 PM

I didn't own a home and pay taxes when I went to school. Now that I do I own and pay in a town where I did not go to school as a younger person. I really don't understand your point OP.


I just meant that I see my taxes as going back to help pay for my 13 years of education. I may not have kids in school right now but 32 years ago, someone else's taxes paid for my education.

Stacy

basketdiva
StuckOnPeas

PeaNut 187,030
January 2005
Posts: 2,098
Layouts: 0
Loc: Eastern Shores of Mobile Bay

Posted: 10/6/2012 1:35:05 PM
My Dad always said it like the concept of 'pay it forward". Some childless person or senior helped pay for the schools I went to, so it wa only fair that he pay school taxes after all of us graduated.

We are a childless family and have no problem paying school taxes because we agree with other posters that an educated society is a benefit to all.

I've had friends tell me that I should not have a say in how the schools are run since I have no children attending. I counter back that since I pay taxes to operate the schools I do have the right to a say in how the schools are run and how the money is spent.

PEAce sign
i'm not superstitious, but i am a little stitious.

PeaNut 274,722
August 2006
Posts: 13,477
Layouts: 0
Loc: OH-IO!

Posted: 10/6/2012 1:36:21 PM
Do you really want uneducated kids running your country in 25 years? The argument is stupid.
Uploaded with iPhone client

lucyg819
pearl-clutching nitpicker

PeaNut 201,774
April 2005
Posts: 16,721
Layouts: 15
Loc: gone to chemo with BethAnne

Posted: 10/6/2012 2:31:52 PM
I have never, ever seen someone use that line as justification for why they don't think they should be taxed to pay for schools they don't use.

That statement is always (IME) used to support the idea that we ALL pay taxes that support services we may not individually use. That we are all in this together, we all benefit from a better educated/healthier/better fed/protected from fire/etc. society.

It's the exact opposite of what everyone here seems to be up in arms about.


LUCYG
northern california

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
--Bertrand Russell



Sarah*H
Bring me that horizon!

PeaNut 239,162
December 2005
Posts: 29,196
Layouts: 417
Loc: The final frontier

Posted: 10/6/2012 2:40:12 PM

I have never, ever seen someone use that line as justification for why they don't think they should be taxed to pay for schools they don't use.


People around here like to write letters to the editor about it. I think they would only be happy if the school were a one room building with a woodstove in the corner (fed by wood chopped by the students) and the kids had to share slates they dug out of the quarry themselves.



recap.pea
AncestralPea

PeaNut 288,074
December 2006
Posts: 4,556
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/6/2012 3:18:32 PM

Even though I was paying property taxes for services my children would never use, I USED THEM for 13 years.

So, unless you were homeschooled or went to a private school, isn't this complaint unfounded?

While I totally agree that paying this tax (regardless of if you have kids or not), I don't agree with this logic. Yes, you did go to school for 13 years BUT your parents paid taxes for that already. I am not arguing with your point, I also agree in paying school taxes even though I do not have children, I just disagree with this logic.

I think that once you reach age 65 though, that you should receive a waiver (perhaps you do, I haven't researched it to see)


Uploaded with iPhone client

Scraptologist
Princess Pinkness

PeaNut 2,163
December 1999
Posts: 9,777
Layouts: 76
Loc: I'm So Canadian Even My Blood Cells are Red and White

Posted: 10/6/2012 3:35:50 PM

Most taxpayers never use tax-funded fire/rescue services in their community either. But would you want to live in a community without a fire department?


My thoughts exactly...

DukeFan
BucketHead

PeaNut 303,380
March 2007
Posts: 523
Layouts: 0
Loc: Midwest

Posted: 10/6/2012 3:47:47 PM
You pay taxes for schools because you want to live in a world where people grow up to be educated and become doctors, lawyers, police officers, business owners, etc.

I'm sorry, but thinking you don't have any obligation to pay for education just because you don't have children is completely stupid.

I am quite positive that people who don't have kids will end up using services provided by those who attended public schools.

People need to get a grip and lose their sense of selfishness.

And by "you," I don't mean the OP. I mean "you" as in the idiots who think this is a reasonable statement to make!
Uploaded with iPhone client

WillowJane
Running the Marathon, Not the Sprint

PeaNut 110,589
October 2003
Posts: 7,100
Layouts: 8
Loc: Texas

Posted: 10/6/2012 4:27:06 PM
I do not mind paying taxes to support public education. I would even accept a tax increase for public education if it meant kids would go year-round. I do know that my annual tax dollars not only go to pay for the education of my two children but three additinal children in our district - per distrct financial statements. As as previous poster stated - pay it forward.

What I do have issue with is public school tax dollars used to support in-school child care for employees and students who dont pay any additional monies for the care when kids are attending class in portable buildings. I am also against using public education tax dollars to set up a health clinic for students and teachers of the district when those medical resources are available via city, county and state services.


Uploaded with iPhone client

creativechicky
PeaAddict

PeaNut 370,325
April 2008
Posts: 1,130
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/6/2012 5:46:49 PM

What we find annoying is paying for your children's education, and then you get a bunch of tax credits for having said children. Something's not quite right there...



Uhhm, well the children are the future. Unless you want some uneducated person taking care of you in your old age. Sorry, no man is an island. Unless you live on your own island of course!

iteach3rdgrade
AncestralPea

PeaNut 247,320
February 2006
Posts: 4,944
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/6/2012 7:03:23 PM

I am also against using public education tax dollars to set up a health clinic for students and teachers of the district when those medical resources are available via city, county and state services.


Can you explain how this works?

My guess, without knowing details, is that it is saving some money because it is controlling some of the healthcare costs for staff. The district is paying for it either way, but possibly spending less this way.


memecoop
PeaNut

PeaNut 542,227
February 2012
Posts: 104
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/6/2012 7:17:09 PM
Everyone benefits from educated citizens. Peoria who complain abt paying school taxes are not looking at the big picture and only thinking about themselves
Uploaded with iPhone client

Mariah2
I live for the applause applause applause...

PeaNut 526,154
October 2011
Posts: 7,786
Layouts: 0
Loc: Illinois

Posted: 10/6/2012 7:35:56 PM
I think we ALL pay for things we personally don't use, with our taxes. So for example I have no problem paying taxes to support health care for the poor. Or food stamps. Or free birth control. We all have to pitch in.


Uploaded with iPhone client

juswannascrap
PeaAddict

PeaNut 317,184
May 2007
Posts: 1,410
Layouts: 0
Loc: Land of Lincoln

Posted: 10/6/2012 8:07:24 PM
I don't have a problem paying for school taxes even though we don't have kids in school anymore.

What drives me crazy is that we live in a village that doesn't have a zipcode so my zipcode is for city B but because of zoning laws my school taxes go to city O. I'm not eligible for a library card in either city unless I want to pay for it. Which sucks!

compeater opeator
PeaNut

PeaNut 376,677
May 2008
Posts: 422
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/6/2012 8:18:23 PM

We're kidless. You never see me complain about paying school taxes because I think it's part of the social contract of living in America, but I have used it to counter when other people have said, "I shouldn't have to pay for X." I often see Peas complain about paying property taxes when they pay for private school. One could also counter that my parents paid for my education with their property taxes.


I agree. This sums up what I would have typed without my having to put forth the effort...thanks.

TinCin
Ancient Ancestor of Pea

PeaNut 29,331
February 2002
Posts: 6,720
Layouts: 0
Loc: Living in the palm of the hand.

Posted: 10/7/2012 3:45:09 AM
I pay for a lot of services I don't use. I don't use child protective services, I don't use welfare, I don't use the local libraries or the city hospital but I pay for all of them. I pay city taxes for a city I work in but don't live in, I don't use any of their services but I pay income tax to them each and every year. Life isn't fair and I don't use the services is not a valid argument to me. Some things are done for the greater good, not just one's own good.


PROUD MEMBER OF UAW LOCAL 659 - Home of the Sit-Down Strike!

WillowJane
Running the Marathon, Not the Sprint

PeaNut 110,589
October 2003
Posts: 7,100
Layouts: 8
Loc: Texas

Posted: 10/7/2012 8:57:17 AM
iteach3rdgrade -

I have been trying to find out for three years how our district health clinic is funded and no one can tell me. I've poured over financial records, etc to no avail. It is something not many residents know about but word is starting to get out.

Another thing that irks me is we have a mother in our district who teaches at the elementary school level - and a very pivotal year to boot. She sends her school-age children to private school because "they are not learning what they need to learn in the district.". Now how is that not a slap in the face to the district? You can't tell me she is vested in all kids learning.


Uploaded with iPhone client

mkatiej
AncestralPea

PeaNut 179,915
December 2004
Posts: 4,133
Layouts: 81
Loc: Wisconsin

Posted: 10/7/2012 9:11:42 AM

We're kidless and pay a stinkin' fortune in property taxes. I don't complain, per se, about paying for the education of our youth because I think that's important. Now, do I like the amount and the distribution of those taxes? That's a whole 'nother thread, and one I don't have the time (or temper) for today!



paigepea
I'm PEAchy Keen!

PeaNut 74,479
March 2003
Posts: 17,867
Layouts: 116

Posted: 10/7/2012 9:31:43 AM
If you didn't have tax credits for people having children then many couples wouldn't .be able to afford children and your population would drop. Your country wouldn't be able to sustain itself anymore and you'd have to find a way to encourage immigrants for your country to continue to prosper. It's basic geography of how countries grow and develop. If you don't believe in tax credits then I'd start educating potential immigrants as well as your own.

Paige.






ScrapBrooke
StuckOnPeas

PeaNut 51,009
October 2002
Posts: 2,339
Layouts: 7
Loc: PA

Posted: 10/7/2012 5:29:19 PM
I was homeschooled and I do homeschool, but I am happy to pay school taxes. Otherwise, all those neighborhood hooligans would be ringing our doorbell every 5 minutes like they do all summer long!

Seriously.



OSUBuckeyeFan
When does football season start?

PeaNut 182,623
December 2004
Posts: 7,038
Layouts: 0
Loc: USA

Posted: 10/7/2012 6:35:38 PM
I am a product of public education. My son is benefiting from our public school system as well.

I didn't have a kid to get a tax credit. It bugs me to NO end those that get MORE back at tax time than they paid in all because they have 3+ kids..my sister being one of them. She's gotten back 6K in tax refunds in the past and has pandered it all away rather than saving it. If she'd have saved it, she could've had a nice down payment on a house by now




SDeven
Love Letters Pea

PeaNut 65,852
January 2003
Posts: 29,505
Layouts: 385
Loc: Nashville, TN!

Posted: 10/7/2012 6:41:03 PM
If you truly object, don't own property.






Dalai Mama
La Pea Boheme

PeaNut 49,641
September 2002
Posts: 26,337
Layouts: 85
Loc: Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn

Posted: 10/7/2012 6:47:02 PM

If you truly object, don't own property.
Or rent property, because you know that the cost of the property tax your landlord pays is built into your rent.


Jo Mama

***********************************

Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight. - Bruce Cockburn

The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams


onlywork2scrap
PeaAddict

PeaNut 263,742
June 2006
Posts: 1,279
Layouts: 11
Loc: Over by the shredder, of course.

Posted: 10/7/2012 7:26:41 PM
We have no children and understand we have to pay taxes. We don't complain about it, it's a given. I do get tired of listening to my friends talk about what they are going to do with thieir honking big refund. We don't get a refund. We work our a$$es off and don't live a lavish lifestyle. I feel like we are picking up more than our share of the tab.


Shredder Girl

ktNryansmom
*REDEYED PEA*

PeaNut 51,842
October 2002
Posts: 13,492
Layouts: 189

Posted: 10/7/2012 10:40:22 PM


"Another thing that irks me is we have a mother in our district who teaches at the elementary school level - and a very pivotal year to boot. She sends her school-age children to private school because "they are not learning what they need to learn in the district.". Now how is that not a slap in the face to the district? You can't tell me she is vested in all kids learning"
---
I'm a teacher and if I could afford private school I would send my kids in a heartbeat. Smaller class sizes, like minded families who are supporters and involved with their kids---pretty much a no brainer for me...the focus in public education has been the middle and the kids at the bottom.
My advanced kids are being left behind because that funding and programs are the first to go because there are so many more kids at the bottom...and it's due to lack of support at home (IMO)





Karen

**Children should be seen and heard and BELIEVED**
Uploaded with iPhone client
1 2 >
Show/Hide Icons . Show/Hide Signatures
Hide
{{ title }}
{{ icon }}
{{ body }}
{{ footer }}