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cmputerdazed
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have you tried going through the lds site? |
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myboysnme
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| Posted: 10/7/2012 4:21:15 PM
I have found that type of info on county records on Ancestry.com. did you look there already? If not, where did she live and what was the name of the family she lived with?
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eebud
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GenealoPea
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| Posted: 10/7/2012 5:11:19 PM
Here's a link (hope it works) to Phyllis in the 1880 census.
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She's reported to be 60 in 1880, and born in Kentucky (as were both of her parents). Hope that helps - at least it's a start! |
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| Posted: 10/7/2012 6:30:33 PM
Ancestry.com is owned by the LDS church. It is located in Provo, Utah.
You might find help searching here http://www.africanancestry.com
Several branches of my family migrated from North Carolina along with slave families before the Civil War. They settled in Indiana but I don't have any information. I had my DNA done by Ancestry partly because I wondered if there had been any intermarriage. The DNA came back as 96% Scandanavian and Central European. How dull. LOL |
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3kidmama
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Eebud, when you are doing genealogy searches you will find that very often names will be spelled quite differently. That may be because the census taker was considered "literate", but that doesn't always mean much.  Often, the citizens themselves were newer immigrants or illiterate themselves so they were unaware of the proper spelling of their name.
I've found numerous relatives in our family tree who's names are misspelled and vary from one listing to another. Sometimes I've even seen that whoever took the census data down, obviously went back home that night and recopied their notes (the form is just too perfect, even to have been done as they went along.) Doing that also risks the census worker misspelling a name when they went to recopy. In addition, who ever took the old handwriting and converted it to searchable forms sometimes was unable to read the worker's handwriting properly and things get spelled wrong again.
Lots of "clerical" reasons to have the spelling of someone's change or even be misspelled.
FWIW, didn't Oprah get her name because either her mother or whoever recorded her birth didn't spell Orpha (the Biblical name) properly. So Oprah she became! At least I heard that somewhere. 
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eebud
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Often, the citizens themselves were newer immigrants or illiterate themselves so they were unaware of the proper spelling of their name.
If I were going to put money on it, I would just about guarantee that Phyllis was illiterate.
By the way, here is the picture that I was talking about. I also have a portrait type picture but I don't have it uploaded. My great grandmother is on the left. The baby was born in Februrary 1886 which is what gives me the year the picture was taken. Also, the youngest wasn't born yet and therefore, not in the picture.
**edit to fix 1986 to 1886 |
 
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Yes, familysearch.org is the LDS church's website for geneology. I know you can get a free month trial to ancestry.com. I just looked into it as I am getting back into it after years. Also, I think I used a site quite awhile ago called onegreatfamily.com. I think it is awesome that you have that picture. I hope you can find her family somehow. As an interesting side note I was so happy to hear that my family members helped people in the underground railroad. In fact my great great Uncle (or something like that) was in his 90's when I was I was around 7 or 8 and he told stories about it as a child. That was the best history lesson for me! | |
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Georgiapea
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The story about Oprah's name is what I heard her say on one of her shows. | |
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| Posted: 10/7/2012 7:38:23 PM
wow, that is so cool!
In addition, who ever took the old handwriting and converted it to searchable forms sometimes was unable to read the worker's handwriting properly and things get spelled wrong again.
Yeah, I found whoever did the 1940 census for ancestry got my father's name wrong.  He must not have been officially adopted yet because he was listed as infant (first name). But I saw the census on another site and that one had his first name correct so it was obvious the ancestry one had misunderstood the writing.
And you're right about Oprah. She said that herself. |
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Great photo and story, eebud. Good luck with your search. | |
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3kidmama
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I think that just from a human standpoint, the fact that your family had that picture of their children taken with Phyllis says volumes about the affection and relationship they had with her. What a cool photo - I certainly hope you can find something about her relatives!
I've watched some of those TV programs where they trace the ancestry of famous people, and one I watched on Condoleeza Rice's family tree was truly eye opening. It left me in awe of how resilient so many of those African American women were in spite of the horrific challenges many faced in their lives because of the evil of slavery and segregation. | |
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Ancestry.com is **NOT** owned by the LDS church. It is a private company. It is a paid access site. Here's the ownership info about Ancestry.com
Ancestry info
The LDS Church-owned genealogy sites are familysearch.org and new.familysearch.org . These sites are free.
The LDS Church does cooperate with Ancestry.com and they share access to some records.
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| Posted: 10/7/2012 10:40:02 PM
I have been doing family research for close to 20 years. There are a lot of free info sites online. The National Archives has some great ones for researching military records.
You might also try your local library and/or historical society. Most libraries have history rooms that contain a lot of research records. Many cities have historical societies that have a wealth of info too. We lived in MD for many years and I was able to trace records to slaves and land records at our local historical society. This would be the first place I would start for what you are looking for.
Churches are another source of information. I was able to look through church records in Lancaster, PA and actually found an original entry from an ancestors marriage in 1759!
Here are a few that I use...
US Gen Web...it has sites for every state.
http://usgenweb.org/
Roots Web...sub site of Ancestry, but free. There are many layers in this site and you will be amazed at everything you can find here.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
Family Search/LDS...you can have records sent to your local LDS library for a fee.
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| Posted: 10/8/2012 10:26:05 AM
I can find A.C. Wood in 1870, and several black families live around him, but there is no Phyllis (any spelling) or McDaniel, or even a Samuel family. |
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Contact Finding your Roots on PBS. They may be able to help you because the photo is so fascinating. |
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I know this is assuming, but I'm really starting to think you are one of those "entitled" peas - Dalayney 4/2/12
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GenealoPea
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Hey Eebud - what was Sallie's (I think the listing may actually say "Sadie" - was her name Sarah?) maiden name? I can't find Phyllis with the Chamberlin family in 1870 (I'm looking at William B and Mary as the parents, with William B Jr as a 19 year old living at home with siblings) or anywhere nearby. Perhaps she was with Sally / Sadie's family?
ETA - never mind. Found Susan Devall, and can't find Phyllis anywhere nearby. Aaaargh. |
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eebud
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Hey Eebud - what was Sallie's (I think the listing may actually say "Sadie" - was her name Sarah?) maiden name? I can't find Phyllis with the Chamberlin family in 1870 (I'm looking at William B and Mary as the parents, with William B Jr as a 19 year old living at home with siblings) or anywhere nearby. Perhaps she was with Sally / Sadie's family?
Sallie/Sadie/or whatever it says - LOL Her name was Susan Victoria Devall Chamberlin. I have asked my mom if she had a nickname but I haven't heard back from her. Susan is the one who died and Phyllis Samuel McDaniel took over raising her 4 kids. She was married to William Benjamin Chamberlin Jr. William Benjamin Chamberlin Sr. was married to Mary Pamelia Clark and is WB Chamberlin Jr.'s mother and father. I have a portrait of Susan Victoria Devall Chamberlin and my mother looks just like her. They also both had the same surgery at the same age. Susan Victoria Devall Chamberlin died and many years later, for my mother, the surgery was no big deal. |
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This has nothing to do with Phyllis, but I'm just wondering why Susan went all the way to NY to have her surgery? That was quite a trip back then. I found that interesting. My gg grandfather was a surgeon in NYC in 1890, so that caught my attention. |
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GenealoPea
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I'm sure you've already seen this, but it's where I saw that she died in New York City. From A History of Louisiana, (vol. 2), pp. 63-64, by Henry E. Chambers.
Chamberlin article |
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eebud
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Thanks!! I don't think I have seen that before. I am going to send this link to my mom. I'm not sure if she has seen it or not. She has so much information that I haven't seen.
From the article:
Dr. William B., of this sketch, is the
eldest; Sue Devall is the wife of Dr. Henry A. King, a representative physician and surgeon of
New Iberia, Louisiana; Mary Hester is the wife of John Harrop, who is engaged in the brokerage
business at Baton Rouge; and Catherine is the wife of Sidney Cook, who is engaged in the
practice of law in the City of Shreveport, this state.
In the picture that I posted..........William B. is on the far right, Mary Hester is the baby and Sue Devall is on the left (my great grandmother). Catherine (I have always seen her name spelled with a K so would love to see an census record to see what it shows) is the child that was born the year after that photo was taken. Katherine died in 1979. |
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You can also try to go to an LDS Family History Center. They are staffed by volunteers and can be pretty helpful. If you get to Salt Lake City, there is a really big library. I took a birth certificate from my great grandfather. It was written in "Old Czech" and I was amazed they had someone to translate it during the couple hours that I was there. | |
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