David Siegel of Westgate Resorts emails 7,000 employees: Defeat Obama or else

Two Peas is Closing
Click here to visit our final product sale. Click here to visit our FAQ page regarding the closing of Two Peas.

Posted 10/10/2012 by Yubon in NSBR Board
< 1 2
 

gmcwife1
SamFan

PeaNut 33,625
March 2002
Posts: 9,769
Layouts: 0
Loc: Washington State

Posted: 10/10/2012 2:56:17 PM

We get a letter from my husband's union EVERY time there's a major campaign year, whether it be presidential or governor.

And let me tell you, it's as threatening as many of you believe this letter to be.



You only get one letter - we get emails 2-3 times a week from dh's Union!! Yes, I'm envious at your letter


~ Dori ~

Me GOP
Movin On Pea

PeaNut 29,902
February 2002
Posts: 19,570
Layouts: 16

Posted: 10/10/2012 2:58:41 PM
I thought it was against the law to in any way threaten, elude, or suggest employees losing their jobs while encouraging a vote for a political candidate? Am I mistaken?

I know there is probably a fine line on the terminology, but I would think these would be extremely risky things to send, especially for someone with a wrongful termination suit???


Tracey

Yubon
lunch is for wimps

PeaNut 261,669
May 2006
Posts: 13,387
Layouts: 0
Loc: Hotel for Cats

Posted: 10/10/2012 2:59:16 PM
They stopped rebuilding during the economic crisis, but are back to finishing the house.

The letter that he sent out this week, which has been verified by just about every news chain and by Mr. Siegel himself, was a modified version of that Snopes letter. He used that Snopes letter as a loose template to help craft his own, but he did indeed send out the letter that is in my OP.

So now I guess you can add "unoriginal" and possibly "plagarist" to his list of attributes.



drewsma
PeaNut

PeaNut 142,371
April 2004
Posts: 175
Layouts: 1
Loc: In the land of Pooh

Posted: 10/10/2012 3:15:57 PM
The union is doing the same thing - tells my nephew that if they vote for Mitt Romney that he'll take away their railroad pensions. The pensions for both him and his wife. (the spouse gets a pension too and doesn't even work for the RR). Sweet deal, huh? We should be so lucky....

I think Mr. Siegel has a valid concern for his business. BTW, I knew someone who worked for him who was gravely ill, and he was very good to her.

thatgirlintexas
Get off my lawn!

PeaNut 43,787
July 2002
Posts: 8,933
Layouts: 255
Loc: the world wide web

Posted: 10/10/2012 3:24:55 PM

I thought it was against the law to in any way threaten, elude, or suggest employees losing their jobs while encouraging a vote for a political candidate? Am I mistaken?


I was thinking the same thing, which is why I'm a little surprised people are saying it's okay to do this. Maybe it's all in how you word it?


Sara

We don't just embrace INSANITY here. We feel it up, french kiss it and buy it a drink.

my goodreads profile my pinterest profile




scrapper100
Budletsmom

PeaNut 65,877
January 2003
Posts: 13,181
Layouts: 30
Loc: So CA

Posted: 10/10/2012 3:25:49 PM
I don't think he did anything wrong. He didn't say they had to vote his way or be fired. He just said if Obama wins and if more taxes are enacted he would be forced to fire some people and or cut back on benefits. I remember getting similar ones when Bush was running - why was that OK and this not. This happens all the time. No one is going to know who you actually vote for just vote for who you want to.

I think his "house" is gross and don't think anyone should feel sorry for him but I would feel sorry for those stupid enough to buy his timeshares or be an employee of his company. For the record there have been many a millionaire that said screw it and did what he threatened to do. When the government takes too much of what you work for people get fed up and decide to retire after all how much money does one person need? He will not be the first rich person in this country to say enough is enough and just quit working and therefore pay less taxes, nor will he be the last.


Those of you that find this wrong how do you feel about the big unions strong arming their members. He told them to vote how they wanted and I am sure that the unions say vote this way not vote how you want.


Patti

scrapper100
Budletsmom

PeaNut 65,877
January 2003
Posts: 13,181
Layouts: 30
Loc: So CA

Posted: 10/10/2012 3:29:03 PM
I guess I don't see it as threatening them just giving them a heads up of the possibility of having to layoff people. It is more of if taxes go up than if Obama is reelected.


Patti

~*kristina*~
Typical Liberal Pea

PeaNut 55,230
November 2002
Posts: 18,604
Layouts: 106
Loc: Fly Over Country

Posted: 10/10/2012 3:38:44 PM

Those of you that find this wrong how do you feel about the big unions strong arming their members.


Please.....strong arming members??? My DH was a union carpenter for 20 years and he NEVER was strong armed into voting for anyone and the union he belonged to was pretty big.

We probably got mailers in the mail regarding their political endorsements but I'm sure they went straight into the circular file.





wren*walk
PeaAddict

PeaNut 481,431
September 2010
Posts: 1,822
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/10/2012 3:55:23 PM

Those of you that find this wrong how do you feel about the big unions strong arming their members.




I don't know what you mean by "strong-arming" members. Sounds like anti union rhetoric to me. As far as I'm aware, unions make political endorsements and publicize those to their members. Anything beyond that would be distasteful in my opinion.

But beyond that, this is an apples/oranges comparison. Unions are not the employers of those employees being threatened in these letters, such as the one in OP.

~*kristina*~
Typical Liberal Pea

PeaNut 55,230
November 2002
Posts: 18,604
Layouts: 106
Loc: Fly Over Country

Posted: 10/10/2012 3:57:27 PM

But beyond that, this is an apples/oranges comparison. Unions are not the employers of those employees being threatened in these letters, such as the one in OP.


I was going to mention that also, Wren...but you're also talking about people on this board that think "Corporations are people too" so I figured it would go over their heads.





leftturnonly
Will trade mosquitoes for cookies.

PeaNut 416,788
March 2009
Posts: 22,257
Layouts: 0
Loc: Living in Kim's Perfect World, again.

Posted: 10/10/2012 3:59:30 PM

He does not have the right to tell employees that they will not have a job if they don't vote the way he wants them to.


Call him the Devil Incarnate if you want to.

What he did was tell his employees to vote for whomever they want, but he will retire before he spends 4 more years as their employer under Obama.

He can do just that.



What he's done with his money won't keep him from retiring if and when he chooses.




I appreciate his honesty and the honesty of people like him because it just reaffirms that if we were to rely on the benevolent goodwill of men like him to do the right thing, we'd all be screwed.


That black-soul-hearted man should never have hired even one employee if he was going to act like this after 42 years!




AND I can certainly make sure I don't do business with him or his company and those that think like him.


+1000 Yes, you can.







If PC is the way to get to Heaven, I'm going straight to Hell.



missbitts
Rampage!

PeaNut 273,938
August 2006
Posts: 5,447
Layouts: 50
Loc: On the right side.

Posted: 10/10/2012 4:14:37 PM
+infinity LTO

~Lauren~
Original Pea #1803

PeaNut 246,606
January 2006
Posts: 30,344
Layouts: 16
Loc: right here...even if some don't like it. ;)

Posted: 10/10/2012 7:24:47 PM
I see a big difference between saying "here's what I see happening if Obama wins" and "YOU MUST vote for Romney".

It's his money, his business. I don't have a problem with what he did.





Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian - Henry Ford

readsomething
Got Samoas?

PeaNut 70,391
February 2003
Posts: 7,964
Layouts: 1
Loc: Norfolk VA

Posted: 10/10/2012 7:36:03 PM
I have been really "intrigued" by this guy and his wife since I first heard of the movie "Queen of Versailles." I haven't seen it (it's not playing anywhere near me, and I've checked a bunch of times), but I'm dying to, mostly because I think it'll display the worst attributes of the worst part of humankind -- "I have to have this. Because I can."

The guy's business was a house of cards. He didn't make his big money selling timeshares -- he made his big money *moving around the money* that people BORROWED (quite stupidly) to buy his timeshares. When the real estate crisis hit, he got hammered.

One reason I'm intrigued -- DH and I got hammered in the real estate crisis, too. We had tons of money tied up in a rental property that was going to be our nest egg. By the time we finished the renovations and sold out, we ended up right back where we started. Eleven years of hard work disappeared in about 6 months.

We didn't lose our house, thank God, but we had a lot of sleepless nights. I kept telling DH that we were better off than some people who had the same problems we did, only their problems had more zeroes at the end of them.

The fact that this guy is whining about how other people screwed him over is part and parcel of how he got in trouble in the first place. In addition to the real estate, DH and I had "normal" jobs not in the real estate sector, but they're in another industry that's being hard hit, too. The other difference is -- we're not whining about it. And I sure as HELL don't blame one person, president or not, for what happened to the global economy.

Whose fault David Siegel's economic crisis? People just like him -- they didn't produce anything except more mortgage loans that couldn't be backed by the actual value of the properties supposedly used as "security."

I feel no sympathy for him and other paper-generators, just as I'm sure he and his ilk feel no sympathy for me and my husband, or any of the other smaller investors. I'm sure, for example, that he has never lost a minute of sleep worrying about the people who bought time shares that are now worth pennies.


Heather
Finally Four of Us
Regional vice president of the National Sarcasm Society (Like We Need Your Support)
Senior Executive Vice President, Dunder-Mifflin Paper Co., Scranton PA
"Every time I use a coupon, Satan gets another one of his toenails pulled out."

jonda1974
The new Rhinestone Cowboy

PeaNut 107,564
September 2003
Posts: 8,611
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/12/2012 9:14:07 AM

I've often wondered what it would look like to be a person who sold his soul to Satan


And why would you say that? Because he is looking out for his best interests? It's his company, his business. He can shut it down if he wants and retire. He doesn't owe anyone anything.



ChristieMc
PeaNut

PeaNut 541,243
February 2012
Posts: 438
Layouts: 0

Posted: 10/12/2012 12:40:29 PM

And why would you say that? Because he is looking out for his best interests? It's his company, his business. He can shut it down if he wants and retire. He doesn't owe anyone anything.



I agree with this. I also didn't take this as him saying his employees would be punished if they voted for Obama. I took it to mean that he no longer wishes to do business under an Obama administration. While that might make him a jerk, it is his right.

It sounds like a crappy message to send, but I guess it's better than giving them no warning and just shutting down when he decides he's had enough.


Christie

Gulfcoastgirl
StuckOnPeas

PeaNut 78,019
March 2003
Posts: 2,700
Layouts: 15
Loc: where the girls are the fairest, the boys are the squarest

Posted: 10/12/2012 2:47:23 PM

Many of you do the same. You've bought or built a larger house because you can. Maybe you've lived in a smaller one or apt for yrs and worked to get to the point to move 'up'.


Absolutely true, Sky.
I think the difference would be that most of US wouldn't build our dream house in the spitting image of a parking garage!


< 1 2
Show/Hide Icons . Show/Hide Signatures
Hide
{{ title }}
{{ icon }}
{{ body }}
{{ footer }}