hee hee! the boys's scout troop is going to learn a lesson this weekend! UPDATE in OP
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Posted: 10/11/2012 5:38:02 PM
Nnnnoooooo, don't go Brandi.....i need an update...as a Mom who is all about natural consequences and yes when a lesson I've been trying to teach finally, finally hits home...there is a tiny moment of glee.

Think about how many kids just in your own towns and cities will have less to eat this weekend than these scouts will have. Hopefully it will bring about some insightful discussion and reflection of what a good life they really do have and make the, appreciate things in a way they wouldn't have without the experience.

The lessons learned the hardest are the ones remembered longest.....

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Posted: 10/11/2012 6:17:32 PM
I'm late to this party, but wanted to chime in anyway.

DS is currently his troop's SPL (senior patrol leader.) He has Asperger's and few friends. He definitely did not win the SPL election as a popularity vote. BUT, the boys knew he had his act together. He's organized and his word is his bond. That he had some great ideas for improving the troop, and that they were good ideas.

Every week, DS sends out an email about what the troop will be covering at the next (weekly) meeting. Then he calls the patrol leaders and speaks to each individually. To be sure that the patrol who is in charge of that weeks badge is ready. To be sure that the patrol in charge of the monthly campout is prepared to present the needed info to the troop. To be sure HE is aware of any upcoming issues.

It's been a huge eye opener for DS. He is able to see how much is done prior to the meetings, behind the scenes. He's learned that if you don't contact a boy individually, he may not remember that he's teaching 30 boys how to use a compass at the next meeting. And that the boys need to bring their own compass! And he's learned how to make sure the assistant patrol leader can cover for you if you miss a meeting. Because the boys run the meeting. All of it.

Giving the boys the opportunity to think on their feet has a lot of value. Often in a group, there is one person who doesn't uphold their end of the social contract. We've all worked with that person. The person who doesn't do their share of the work, but expects his/her co-workers to bail him/her out.

I'm guessing this lesson has been coming for a while. Whether it's past campouts of the shopper calling around for food lists, or being prepared with equipment for a campout, or showing up for a service project. If the boys are continually getting bailed out, they will always expect someone to cover for them. Really, I would expect this to be the campout that is talked about for years to come. The boys will complain about eating potatoes all weekend, but that will be the story that they tell the grandparents with great glee!


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Posted: 10/11/2012 6:22:55 PM
I agree - come back Brandy! You are not alone!

Read my 13 yr. old PL Scout the OP. His response to the potatoes was "Whoa!". His response to the brussel sprouts - "I would walk home!" After discussing how this would not be possible (on a few levels) we discussed what the boys will learn and how important it is to follow directions, be prepared, etc. Not just your boys' troop will learn a lesson from this, lol.

Bet he'll be telling this story around his troops campfire on their campout tomorrow nite!




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Posted: 10/11/2012 6:54:32 PM
As a Scout Mom and part of the Troop Committee, I am on board with the OP and the others who posted about how Boy Scouts is supposed to be boy-led, and that those scouts will certainly learn to prepare better for their next campout!


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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:17:56 PM
It obviously isn't their first camp out. It's a progression and they are where they should be able to make a menu. At least they have a safety net of potatoes...maybe this will teach them the importance of being prepared! Hope your adults going along are able to bring their own food! Lols! Oh and at our schools if kids don't have lunch money, they get soy pb and j...think I'd rather have taters!




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Posted: 10/11/2012 8:18:16 PM
Having been the mom who was charged with going to the store for several boy scout camping trips with minimal lists (or lists that only included enough food for 3-4 boys and there were 10-15 going) I wish I had had the guts to do what your dh did.

boy scouts is a great learning experience for the boys (an parents) and it is surprising how much they do learn eventually.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 8:39:16 PM
Brandy I haven't read all the other replies but I have to say BRAVO for you DH. This is how kids learn to be responsible adults by making mistakes and adults allowing them to. It won't kill them to eat potatoes all weekend. They may not want fries for a while but they'll get over that too. When you DH returns, give him my kudos!!

ETA I have read a lot of the replies and I have to say it is fairly easy to spot the helicopter moms.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 9:44:21 PM
As a Scout Mom and a Troop Committee member I have to say you would be amazed to see what these boys are able to do when you give them enough space to succeed and yes sometimes fail on their own. What better place to fail then within a group of concerned and involved adults who really want nothing more than to see the boys succeed.

For the most part BSA leadership is a group of dedicated people who want their boys to develop leadership and have fun while doing it. I'm sure all of the OP troop will learn a lesson from this campout and probably have a great time despite the all potato diet.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 9:51:48 PM
Some boys failed to perform their tasks and all boys will eat potatoes this weekend. Sounds like an excellent learning experience in how important it is to get your job done, especially when other people are relying on you. As I understand it, this is one of the cornerstones on BSA.



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Posted: 10/11/2012 10:19:36 PM
Brandy,

Please don't go. I'd also love to hear how the boys managed over the weekend. I think this is a wonderful life lesson and it will make them stronger and more reliable in the future. You see the results in their school work and their personal lives. It will be something they never forget and will laugh about.

My own DS (Boy Scout) laughed and didn't think it was that big of a deal. He added that the dads need to surprise them with BACON on Sunday morning. His troop works exactly the same way - if someone forgets to plan properly, too bad for them. They've had some creative meals in the past, but no one has starved, and they have all learned and become a cohesive team over the experience. Now, they double-check each other to make sure that meals are planned, and food is purchased.

The things my DS has learned in Boy Scouts have been invaluable. At 13, he is independent, capable, and a recognized leader. He has planning skills that rival and surpass those of most grownups. And, most of his troop has acquired these skills by his age. I think Boy Scouts are doing something right to have as much success as they have. The volunteer parents we have are wonderful, knowledgeable mentors, and leaders in the business community. I just can't reconcile the amazing experience we've had with the hatred that I've read on this post.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 10:29:03 PM
I'm very OK with this!



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Posted: 10/12/2012 3:05:42 AM
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am with the OP, MerryMom & the scouting parents.

I am pretty sure I have worked with, and currently employ (more's the pity) too few people who were scouts & too many who were brought up by the helicopter Moms.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 5:35:27 AM
I've never been particularly interested in boy scouts, but after reading more about it here from Brandy and MerryMom and others, it sounds fantastic!! I think my son could really benefit from the lessons they learn. Love it!!

Brandy I would also love to hear an update after the weekend.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 7:49:44 AM

my DH or I may be labeled as "lazy jerks" for not attending a meeting, when in actuality, we're trying to juggle two full-time jobs and another child's activity.


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I find people who VOLUNTEER for positions who criticise those of us who do not (but are supportive and involved in other ways) to be a bit high-and-mighty and often irritating about it.


Honestly, it's not so much the parents who don't "attend meetings". We have several parents who work 2nd shift or have younger children to take care of. I really have no issue with that scenario.

My issue (and what I suspect the OP was referencing when she made the 'lazy jerks' comment) is about the parents who don't "attend meetings' but then:

1) Complain that they don't know what is going on "No one tells me anything!", but aren't at the close of the meeting to hear announcements, nor read emails, nor ask their son if they received any permission forms for upcoming camp-outs.

2) Don't participate in any fund-raiser (don't even send in some cupcakes for a bake sale), but then complain because Johnny slept in a tent that leaked. Oh yes, the family has money to buy a box of cake mix and container of frosting! Umm, Dad and Mom, we want to buy some new tents, but they cost money, that's why we are having a fundraiser.

3) Never participant in any fundraiser, but then complain about the $95 a YEAR fees/dues...which is $7.91 a month!!

4) NEVER drive the Scouts to a day outing or to a camping trip, but then cheerfully inform you about the "spa day" or "going to a football game with the guys" because Johnny will be on a Scouting event.

5) NEVER offer to help sort and organize merit badges in advance of a Court of Honor which is a job that the parent can do at home.

6) Sigh and roll their eyes and complain when it is their son's turn to go grocery shopping. And then have the nerve to complain to the adult leaders about the half hour that it took.

7) Ignore phone calls or emails asking for help (like driving the Scouts to the grocery store).


So I guess I am saying that there are more ways to help than by being a leader or attending meetings. How about offering assistance to a leader "I work second shift so I can't attend meetings, but is there a job that I can do at home?" or "I'm not someone who likes to camp, but is there an activity that I can transport the Scouts to?" or help the Scouts with decorating a float (well really supervising the decorating).

Hmm, not much different than the various two peas posts about boosters, sports, PTO's etc.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 8:16:37 AM
Wow. I can't believe the parents who think eating potatoes is "sadistic" and want "higher ups" to know about this. Give me a freaking break.

Natural consequences people. No wonder there are so many kids that can't do shit without their mommy holding their hand.

I give this three "hee hee's".

Wonderful lesson, OP. I applaud you.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 9:37:14 AM
MerryMom937 - That is EXACTLY how I feel about the lack of volunteers. I don't know much about Boy Scouts. We have one there so far and my dh does it all. When our younger crosses over in 15 months, I will get more involved.

We currently have 40 families in our pack. Six of those families do everything at the pack level. Five of those families will be leaving in 15 months. We have been saying for two years that we need replacements for dh (pack leader, committee chair, recharterer, website keeper and general head), myself (treasurer and popcorn kernel), and all the other parents who have Webelos I's (blue and gold dinner organizer, advancements chair, recruiter, and newsletter). So far we have a new committee chair and a pinewood derby guy (we've never had a problem finding someone to do this), and NOTHING ELSE!!

No one will step up to be trained. Until we are blue in the face we say this every few months. How can it be a shock in a year when there is no one left to run anything. And there are THIRTY families who do nothing (I'm not counting the den leaders - we have five of those).

At the Boy Scout level, they are having the same problem. The five families that do the most will be leaving in a few years. But new parents are stepping up. I plan to be advancement chair because I am not doing popcorn again (will be 7 years when I quit). Dh will do more but not until Cub Scouts is behind us (he is already a PL advisor and a mentor for numerous badges, plus all the CS items I listed above)


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Posted: 10/12/2012 9:42:24 AM
That's a great lesson to learn! That is what we do to our girls too when we tell them to do something and they don't listen. They sometimes need to learn the hard way or they won't learn at all. Better to learn when they are young and the mistakes are small than when they are older.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 1:20:12 PM
bTW....eating potatoes for three days seems like heaven to me!!!

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Posted: 10/12/2012 1:42:30 PM
I agree, potatos for three days would be heaven.. I haven't had potatos in a long time except the occasional french fry.

I think it is a good lesson. They will not die.



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Posted: 10/14/2012 11:14:49 AM
btt any update on Potatogate?

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Posted: 10/15/2012 10:28:57 AM
BTT I would LOVE to hear how the weekend went! One of those life lesson occasions for sure.




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Posted: 10/15/2012 11:19:21 AM
How did I miss this thread before? I doubt you'll get an update from the OP since the stick-up-their-butt crowd drove her off.

There's nothing wrong with the boy scouts eating potatoes for two days, and nothing wrong with Brandy getting a little giggle out of it.

There's plenty wrong with the insistent hand slapping just because someone has a slightly different opinion, personal style, whatever.

And jenjie, don't you dare back down now. You were NOT mean-spirited. And neither was the OP.


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Posted: 10/15/2012 11:27:48 AM
Meh, consequences are a good thing. Don't get the big freakout on the potato punishment.

And the OP was just being funny, is all. I swear you can't take a ____ around here without some Pea, or two, or more, freaking out about it.

I hope the boys learned some good potato recipes over the weekend!




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Posted: 10/15/2012 1:27:13 PM
Good grief! It isn't like they are starving the kids and the adults will have to eat the potatoes too! They are just trying to train the kids to be more responsible. Not to mention, I think the OP said that TWO of her boys were also responsible for not turning in the shopping list.

I work with a few young adults that sure needed something like this taught when they were younger. Not to mention, that scrounging around to make the meal different each time, they will learn skills to stretch their food budget when it is two days to payday and not much food in the house.


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Posted: 10/15/2012 1:59:13 PM
Reading some of these responses is downright depressing...but not really surprising.

I'm reminded of what college professors are increasingly saying about today's students (including the ones with high-achieving backgrounds):

-terrified to make mistakes or fail
-struggle with directions and problem-solving
-miss deadlines and expect exceptions
-assume unfairness
-complain about course rigor
-hyper-sensitive to criticism
-file formal grade appeals, complaints about professors, and plagiarism defenses (often with parent-paid legal assistance)

Maybe the antidote to this behavior can begin with something simple, like a potato. (Or "potatoe," as a US vice-president once famously insisted.)

THEY'RE JUST POTATOES. They're not laced with arsenic. I think it's fabulous that the boys have an opportunity to learn life lessons in a fun and supportive real-life circumstance. And I'm chuckling along with the OP...

...but ruefully.




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Posted: 10/15/2012 2:13:29 PM
What a great learning experience. I don't know much about BS, but maybe someone could have a book on edible plants in the area. I had a Natural History course in high school, and it was great to know what was edible around me if I found myself alone in nature with no food. Wild onions could help season the potatoes, different plants can make a great salad, and there is a lot of protein.

I would venture a guess that after this weekend, many kids will be bringing their own stockpile to make sure they are not without again. That's what I did in the military because I hated MREs, they were pretty nasty, averaged about 3500 calories for 1, and you didn't poop for a week afterwards.

Editted to add...when I was in basic training, I wasn't much older than some of these boy scouts. When you are punished because someone else didn't pull their fair share of the responsibility, you learn quickly to communicate and look out for each other. You make sure that person does their part because it effects everyone. It's a valuable lesson in teamwork.

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Posted: 10/15/2012 2:50:03 PM
As the mom of a Boy Scout, I say good for your husband. I can guarantee that if this happened at one of my son's campouts they'd be laughing about it in short order.

Sorry you were driven away by the handslappy crowd, Brandy. I got what you were saying and I would have been ok with it.



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Posted: 10/15/2012 2:59:33 PM
If they need an extra volunteer, I'll go. I adore potatoes!!

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Posted: 10/16/2012 9:38:46 AM
No update yet? I just came back to check to see if my 10 pea FINALLY showed up! I guess ONE more year and my pea will finally have "teeth" when he smiles?


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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:22:00 AM

btt any update on Potatogate?
I knew this thread was reminding me of something, but it didn't hit me until I read this post.

And then it dawned on me--"Turkeygate": The husband volunteered his hard-working wife to cook Tnanksgiving dinner, she refused, and he had to fix turkey and the trimmings all by himself as his wife sat by and gleefully entertained the rest of us with his misfortunes in the kitchen. I don't recall nearly as much outrage over that example of "natural consequences", and I suppose the reason may be the perception that it affected an adult more so than "innocent children".

However, if you think about it, the rest of the family was greatly affected by dinner being something like 4 hours late, and they certainly had no part in the decision-making that led to the problem. I think they were far more "innocent" than the potato-eating scouts.

I'm sure there were some posts about "how could you treat your DH/family that way", but I'm equally sure there were more posts taking delight in the poor DH's troubles in the kitchen.

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Posted: 10/16/2012 3:14:39 PM
Brandy,

Update please!!!

By the way, here's your new patrol badge OR it can be your new avatar.

Potato Scout aka Brandy's new avatar

ETA: Brandy, I sent you a peamail.

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Posted: 10/16/2012 3:28:21 PM
MerryMom - that is so perfect, you may need to send her pmail so she sees it!





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Posted: 10/16/2012 3:29:29 PM
MerryMom, I can't believe you found that - too funny!

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Posted: 10/16/2012 3:32:08 PM
I thought turkey gate was about the pea that went ballistic because she didn't realize she couldn't pick up her entire turkey dinner thanksgiving afternoon.




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Posted: 10/16/2012 3:37:38 PM
Awesome, Merrymom!!




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Posted: 10/16/2012 3:39:49 PM

I thought turkey gate was about the pea that went ballistic because she didn't realize she couldn't pick up her entire turkey dinner thanksgiving afternoon.
Were there two turkeygates? The one I remember about the husband cooking dinner--didn't someone make a turkeygate button for that one?

Or I could just be remembering the wrong thread--that is very possible!


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Posted: 10/16/2012 3:53:59 PM
Turkeygate WAS the one about the woman who went ballistic when she couldn't pick up her dinner on Thanksgiving.

GibletGate is the one where the husband volunteered his wife to cook a big meal with no notice AND she hadn't had a day off in a long time. So HE wound up cooking the meal.


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Posted: 10/16/2012 4:02:26 PM
Yes, GibletGate was about the husband. You guys really need to get your research/memory skills together. You can't go around mixing up epic threads all willy-nilly.


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Posted: 10/16/2012 4:06:12 PM


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Turkeygate WAS the one about the woman who went ballistic when she couldn't pick up her dinner on Thanksgiving.

GibletGate is the one where the husband volunteered his wife to cook a big meal with no notice

Thank you for clearing that up!

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Posted: 10/16/2012 7:02:37 PM

Turkeygate WAS the one about the woman who went ballistic when she couldn't pick up her dinner on Thanksgiving.

GibletGate is the one where the husband volunteered his wife to cook a big meal with no notice
Thanks for the clarification.

HIJACK:

Do you think we could petition for an "Epic Thread Board"? We could set up criteria, such as, controversial threads that go over a certain number of pages, threads that are "revived" more than a certain number of times over the course of a couple of years, any thread that peatle juices a famous pea or person, etc. Those threads could be moved there permanently so we wouldn't have to rely on the hope that SOMEONE saved a particular thread.

And yes, I am specifically thinking of the "My dogs stole Baby Jesus" thread that will hopefully make an appearance again at Christmas. That glorious bit of peadom would have been lost forever if not for the wise soul who had the foresight to save the text of the post.

Turkeygate (I remember that one now), and Gibletgate would of course be on that page, as well as the one about the disgusting things peas have eaten while pregnant. These always make the rounds in the threads that take us down memory lane with the intent to educate new peas about famous hairflips, scandalous behavior in the pod, and the absolute funniest posts ever. It would be nice to have them all in one place.

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Posted: 10/16/2012 8:36:45 PM
I'm reading your thread for the first time, with your update and it's obvious that some Peas got their knickers in a knot. My opinion is that Scouts are supposed to teach boys to BE PREPARED. It seems like none of the people involved in this event is taking that credo seriously.

A weekend of spuds never heart anybody. Think how many ways they can prepare those potatoes! My only question is - is there butter and salt to go with them? No? Oh, well.......... it's still food.

Now I'm off to read who got all purpleturbulated over this.

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Posted: 10/18/2012 6:03:56 AM
Just wanted to see if there was an update. I'm sure the boys survived and all was well.

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Posted: 10/18/2012 7:05:22 AM
Yea, this is a good one!! I love fried potato's


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Posted: 10/18/2012 9:03:24 AM

And buying 20 lbs. of potatoes. (they are on sale $1.99/10 lbs) They will have potatoes for the weekend.



I would love an update too. I am curious how many boys were fed for
a whole weekend on 20 lbs of potatoes. I wouldn't think it
would go far for 3 meals a day.

I did survival hikes as a youth where we were sent out on next to nothing rations for a weekend on purpose.

Hope it was fun.

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Posted: 10/18/2012 9:28:53 AM
I'm late to this thread, too. I haven't read all of the responses, but enough to know that the OP got grief over the decision.

I say:

This is not SNOWFLAKE Scouts, it is BOY Scouts. While I'm not in favor of BSA homophobia I believe those who are part of this organization will not get the benefits of the process if they can't fail within a group where they have a buffer.

For heaven's sake, if there is not a boy who has an allergy to potatoes, they will certainly survive and remember to tell this story of years to come.

I cannot wait to hear the outcome.


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Posted: 10/18/2012 9:29:59 AM
Can we please get an update OP???




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Posted: 10/18/2012 10:21:08 AM

I've never been particularly interested in boy scouts, but after reading more about it here from Brandy and MerryMom and others, it sounds fantastic!! I think my son could really benefit from the lessons they learn. Love it!!




That is exactly what I was thinking!

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Posted: 10/18/2012 11:57:49 AM
hoping to see an update! =)


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Posted: 10/18/2012 12:54:02 PM
I would love to see an update, too! Come back, Brandy M.


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Posted: 11/9/2012 4:44:04 PM
Brandy - how did it go? Hopefully lessons were learned...


P.S. I think "some" food was better than "no food" - I like the logical consequences your DH put in place.


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