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Posted 10/11/2012 by besskinn in General Scrappin'
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Posted: 10/11/2012 1:34:53 PM
By "unconventional", I mean scrapbookers who don't fit the stereotypes that a lot of people have of scrapbookers. One of those being that all scrapbookers are moms. The majority of scrapbookers do have kids, I'm sure, but what about those of us who don't?

I guess I just get really offended when I hear "well what do you scrapbook, then?" if someone doesn't have kids, as if we're somehow less important. Do people really think that if you're not a parent that your life isn't good enough? I have plenty going on and thousands of pictures backlogged to scrap.

I don't know, maybe I'm just super sensitive! Anyone else wanna chime in?


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Posted: 10/11/2012 1:40:38 PM
Not super-sensitive at all IMO.

I think it's quite insensitive of people to say things like that.

My child is profoundly developmentally delayed and that's hard enough without comments like "why would you bother?" So, I'm in a different boat but I hear you.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 1:41:55 PM
i think that i am definitely an unconventional scrapper. i even cringe at being called a scrapper even though i have an entire room and tons of supplies that say otherwise. i don't think i fit the stereotype either. i am not a mom, i do not have kids. i take photos but i never print them out. i do not make scrapbooks for myself, i only make them for others. the reason i "scrap"? i like papercrafting. i like having a hobby. i like making books for others. i like keeping busy. lots of reason to scrap without needing or having the reasons why "typical" scrapbooker scrap.




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Posted: 10/11/2012 1:47:11 PM
Have you seen Shimelle's video, This is Why I Scrapbook ?

I'm a mother & a grandmother & I do scrapbook about them, but my reasons for being part of this amazing hobby are to record MY view of life.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 1:49:29 PM
Oh you must've missed the memo that your life doesn't matter as much as those who follow societal norms!? {looking for a tongue-in-cheek smiley}

I hear what your saying....however, I don't really get offended by it and tend to just laugh it off. And you are right, there are so many things to scrap about and I prefer the more artistic expression type of scrapping anyways. I too am way behind in events!

Happy scrapping (your oh-so-uneventful) life!






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Posted: 10/11/2012 1:54:54 PM
So many times I have WISHED we had camera phones and had taken lots of pictures in my high school days and 20s like is done now. I would have a ball scrapping my pictures!




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Posted: 10/11/2012 1:58:45 PM
I don't think asking "what do you scrapbook" has to be insulting. A lot of scrappers do only scrapbook their kids, so for them, they would have a hard time thinking what they would scrapbook if they didn't have kids to take photos of. That in no way means they think your life is meaningless or less important than theirs.







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Posted: 10/11/2012 2:03:37 PM
I'm 28 and single with no kids. Yeah, people wonder why I scrapbook.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 2:10:56 PM
So we aren't supposed to scrapbook for fun???

Gosh darn it.. someone come cart my stuff away


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Posted: 10/11/2012 2:23:53 PM
No kids here and I have plenty to scrap. I have no use for people who think my life is unfulfilling.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 3:13:08 PM
Child free too and I have heard that "what do you scrap" question so many times. I sort of feel sorry for people that don't think life has meaning unless you have children. We are individuals in our own right, and our lives have merit, whether we procreate or not.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 3:53:40 PM
To me scrapping is telling a story in a creative way and you don't have to have kids to tell a story. I do have kids, but I also scrap non-kid pages. I've been asked by non-scrappers why I scrap.

I have a friend who vacationed in Europe and I suggested to her that she could scrap or maybe place the photos in a nice binder and her response to me was "Why? I don't have kids to leave them to and I don't want to spend the time doing it." Alrighty then.

Some people just don't get it, period.




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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:05:40 PM

comments like "why would you bother?"


That is horrible. Beyond horrible. I hope you slapped her.



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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:19:11 PM
I scrapped for 7+ years before I had a kid. I scrapped my family, my pets, made stuff for other people. It was a hobby I did, and still do, enjoy. Even though I do have a child now that doesn't mean every single layout I do revolves around him. I scrap my garden, random pictures (thank you instagram!), and stuff like that. I also love making cards and altered art. And I'm sure once my kid is grown and out of the house I'll find other things to scrap about.

Scrapping is a cheap (or maybe not-so-cheap) alternative to therapy for me. It calms me. It centers me. An hour of scrapping is like taking a nice bubble bath and reading a good book.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:20:31 PM
I scrapped for 10 years without kids. Some of those are my favorite pages.

Maybe you can retort next time: "I scrap everything you do besides the kid photos." Then watch them get confused and be happy about how much you enjoy your craft.

I love how Stacey Julian always says "Only you can tell your story. You can't tell your kids story," although you can help it along.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:32:12 PM
I'm another scrapper without children, but I have never felt "judged" by other scrappers, perhaps because we are 4 in a group of 15, who scrap together each month, who haven't got children?

I sometimes struggle to find pictures to scrap, I can only scrap my cat being cute so many times. I am however in an ongoing process of scrapping my childhood photos, but I'm running out of those as well.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:33:04 PM
I started scrapbooking back when I was 20 years old. These days I do fit into the mold of a scrapbooker being married with kids but back in the early days I was single and had no kids.

I was never asked that question but I could certainly feel the vibe that people gave off to me. I only made it to two classes and one crop and I decided that I would rather stay at home and scrapbook on my own rather than feel uncomfortable the whole time.

Sure I had no kids or pets or fancy holidays to record but I certainly had enough friends and events and memories to scrapbook as the next person. For me it was never about handing down my albums to my children it was about being creative, recording memories and having fun doing something that I loved and was passionate about.



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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:35:01 PM
I am a traditional scrapper; however, I have the coolest non-traditional scrapper in my family. My 70+ year old BIL is a scrapbooker! He started when his daughter was a CM consultant. While he DOES scrap some photos of his grandkids, his books are mostly filled with photos of his and my SIL's travels and his books are lovely.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:49:27 PM
I guess I just get really offended when I hear "well what do you scrapbook, then?" if someone doesn't have kids, as if we're somehow less important.
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I don't think they are saying you are less important or not good. But face it, most scrapbook marketing IS aimed at a way to capture cute childhood memories and "passing on family history" So those who have kids and have become entrenched in that idea of preserving family history is at a loss for why you would do it when there isn't going to be a clear family generation to pass it down to.

... perhaps they scrap to preserve some kind of history for posterity and don't find scrapping a personally fulfilling outlet but a somewhat guilt laden chore. So they don't understand why you would choose to do soemthing they find a bit of a chore, even if it is a fun one.

Don't read too much into the question. Take it an an opening to introduce the concept of creating for the sake of creating or the sake of self expression. Nothing more.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 5:35:36 PM
"I sometimes struggle to find pictures to scrap, I can only scrap my cat being cute so many times."

Exactly my problem

I take an absurd number of photos any time I go somewhere... I don't travel/go to events as often as I'd like so the quantity of pictures sometimes helps... I'm trying to remember to take pictures of my everyday life but I keep forgetting or think to myself, "really, a picture of that?" I see a bunch of Peas do it though and I love it so I really need to push myself to take those pictures...

I try to collect ideas of what else to scrap... Things like pets, friends, recipes/meals, favourite tv show/movie/book, favourite mall/store, garden, house, picking a poem/lyric and doing a page based on that, etc... Maybe we could start a list on here somewhere? When I start looking at the possibilities I almost feel bad for all the parents that are stuck only scrapping about their kids


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Posted: 10/11/2012 5:37:46 PM
Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I guess I get upset because I *DO* want kids, things have just not worked out yet to where I am in a place to start a family right this second...so that's probably why I take it so personally!



My child is profoundly developmentally delayed and that's hard enough without comments like "why would you bother?" So, I'm in a different boat but I hear you.


Wow wow wow..just wow!!!!!! What is wrong with people? How incredibly rude and insensitive for anyone to say.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 5:50:14 PM
I think people who make comments about "what do you scrapbook if not kids?" are those who maybe miss all that the hobby has to offer. I scrapbook my kids and I'm glad I'm getting those things recorded but that is just a fraction of what the hobby is to me. It is a form of relaxation, a way of expressing myself and a way for me to work through things. It's about family but is also about myself and gaining a deeper insight into how I fit into the world around me. It will sound totally cheesy but I have had some major life moments over glue and paper. I think that is one reason I like to scrap alone because it allows me a good deal of reflective time.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 6:20:42 PM
I mostly scrap about myself now that DS is 18. We're all so different. Who is anyone else to judge?


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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:14:35 PM
Sorry, can't help you. I'm every cliche of a scrapbooker. White, Mormon, fat, stay at home mom, and I live in Utah.






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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:34:33 PM
I don't know what a conventional or unconventional scrapper is. I really don't experience people making comments about me being a scrapper other than "that's so cool" or something like that, but it makes me mad when I see posts like this - I totally don't get what being or not being a mom has to do with scrapping. Yes, I'm a mom, but it so not the reason I got started in scrapbooking. I actually started the old fashioned way when I was in high school, and my whole life I have loved and taken a lot of pictures - way before I started having kids - even after having kids my pictures were not all about my kids. There are so many other things to take pics of and to scrap about. There's other family members, friends, vacations, my home, outdoor scenery, pets, wildlife, events, etc. - There is LIFE to scrap! Plus it's just so darn fun to play with paper and glue.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:39:15 PM
I'm mid-20s, a toothpick, no kids, and until 2 years ago I wasn't married. (I've been scrapping for 8) I'm a housewife. Until last month I didn't have a pet, and I've never been to Utah (if anyone still thinks most scrapper come from there)

When I lived in GA, the As that was close to me. If I was asked if I needed help (most the time they just ignored that I even came in) and I'd ask for a specific item most of the time I knew more then the person who offered help and they'd kinda be taken aback that I knew what I was talking about.

I still feel like I'm looked at oddly at most scrapbook/craft stores I go to, but I'm 26 and look 18..maybe. I'm used to it. I just buy what I want and go. Although I will say I've found my home LSS they're sweet and don't judge on stereotypes.

I got into scrapbooking because I loved photography and I loved displaying my work. My friend's mom got me a kit for high school graduation and I've been crafting since.



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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:53:41 PM
OMG and I thought I was the only one! I actually had someone say to me once, do you think anyone really wants to see your stuff, you don't have kids? I couldn't believe it, I was utterly speechless.

I take (and have been taking) pictures of all kinds of stuff for years and it's about my life and our life as a couple, where we go, what we do and our extended family. Scrapbooking isn't solely about kids, I mean as a kid I was scrapbooking saving ticket stubs, bits and pieces of stuff from things that I did.

I don't know what I would say to someone that said that to me now.. maybe



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Posted: 10/11/2012 8:47:11 PM
I scrapped for nine years before I married someone with children andmgrandchildren. Even now that I have both of those most of my layouts are still about what's happening in my life.

I've never been asked the "why do you bother" question and it's a good thing because I don't think the tone of my answer would be very nice.


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Posted: 10/11/2012 9:04:40 PM
I am 29, recently, married, no kids, but a cat. I scrap about whatever I want and I don't care who will see my albums. I scrap for me and nobody else. If and when I do have kids I think they'd want to see how their parents were before they were born. I love photos of me with my parents, but the ones of them when they were my age are even better.

on a different note..... Frankly, I am not sure how many kids will want their parents' scrapbooks anyway. Considering how many here have 15-20+ albums already and more to come, I am not sure too many kids would want that amount of stuff in their house. Scrapbooking is a hobby, it's mostly for the benefit of the scrapper and not the viewer. If your kids preserve them - awesome! If not, hopefully you had fun making them =)




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Posted: 10/11/2012 9:21:11 PM
I wanted to add my post was all in fun. While I do live in Utah, I know of very few people who scrap. Most gave it up a long time ago.






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Posted: 10/11/2012 9:51:24 PM

I'm every cliche of a scrapbooker. White, Mormon, fat, stay at home mom, and I live in Utah.
Now, THAT'S funny, and I love your sense of humor!

I guess it depends on the tone and mannerisms. "Well, what do you scrapbook then?" can be said in a mean way. Yet I can see myself asking someone with no kids what they scrap, but purely to see if I scrap the same kind of things when I'm not scrapping kid photos.

There's so darn much to scrap, yes, I'd definitely ask others what they scrap. I scrap pictures of scenery, inanimate objects, whatever has some meaning to me.






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Posted: 10/12/2012 1:07:00 AM
I don't like my family, lol. My DH & I are camera phobic. I am the worst traditional scrapbooker in the world. I still like to do it. I just stopped scrapbooking because I am not conventional. Recently I thought who cares I am not traditional. If I want to take pictures of trees and scrapbook them then I will. I want my scrapbooks to be full of happy things that make me smile. You know like the gratitude journal but with pictures.





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Posted: 10/12/2012 2:34:53 AM
Really?? I started scrapping before I had kids, and I'll tell you right now I take way fewer photos now. We did so much more before we were tied down with children. And really, I can only scrap my kids being cute so many times.


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Posted: 10/12/2012 2:40:00 AM
I've been memory keeping for as long as I can remember. Now I am the typical scrapper but I haven't always been. I find a lot if my pages aren't about my kids anyway.


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Posted: 10/12/2012 3:32:01 AM
Marking my place to keep an eye on this thread.

I do have one thought, though-- No kids means more "toy" money just for Hubby and Me...

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Posted: 10/12/2012 3:46:59 AM
I scrapped for six years before we had a child. No one ever asked me the 'why' question. I scrapped our vacations, new experiences, our home building, our marriage. Now I have to remind myself to do pages about me Kids do shift your perspective.



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Posted: 10/12/2012 6:30:20 AM
I didn't start scrapbooking until my son was a teenager and never wanted his picture taken

I've moved away from scrapping photos on layouts to making mini-albums (mostly for others), cards, altered items, etc. It's way more about the fun of working with paper and glue for me and not so much the memory preservation.

I used to get asked this question A LOT because I "only" had 1 child and he was older. Lots of judgment there. I've found people are much more accepting of what I do now since apparently they see it as strictly an artistic/profit-making venture and that's somehow more tolerable to them

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Posted: 10/12/2012 6:33:46 AM
I encourage everyone to scrapbook no matter what they circumstances are, I started scrapbooks as a child no husband or kids in the picture. I loved putting my keepsakes in a place where I could pull them out and relive the memories of a moment over and over again. My sister has never married or had kids and I constantly tell her to scrapbook, because she loves it. She's a Breast Cancer survivor and I encourage her to scrap her journey. She lost a pet that she had for 17 years and I encourage her to scrap about that wonderful and unique animal. Mark Twain a man was one the first people to create a commercial scrapbook. He scrapbooked and he had strained relationships with his children, but there were things he wanted to remember. Things he treasured. This hobby doesn't belong to segment one of the population, it belongs to anyone who wants to treasure a memory or moment.


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Posted: 10/12/2012 6:51:46 AM
I think that scrapbookers who have kids - in fact, anyone who has kids - tend to forget what life was like before kids because it changes your life so much. (I have 2 so I know from whence I speak). Especially when the kids are young. You'd like to think you retain some "me," but "me" tends to get buried under "mommy" for a very long time.

If it helps those scrappers without kids feel less hurt by such comments, I wanted to offer that I don't think it is a matter of any of them thinking life without kids has less value - I think it is a matter of them honestly not being able to remember their lives before kids. I think the insensitive comment reflects that. JMO


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Posted: 10/12/2012 6:53:26 AM
i know what you mean - lots of place do page swaps and all this talk about disney lo
im so beyond that my daughter is 23 so its like errrr
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Posted: 10/12/2012 7:10:48 AM

I think people who make comments about "what do you scrapbook if not kids?" are those who maybe miss all that the hobby has to offer. I scrapbook my kids and I'm glad I'm getting those things recorded but that is just a fraction of what the hobby is to me. It is a form of relaxation, a way of expressing myself and a way for me to work through things. It's about family but is also about myself and gaining a deeper insight into how I fit into the world around me. It will sound totally cheesy but I have had some major life moments over glue and paper. I think that is one reason I like to scrap alone because it allows me a good deal of reflective time.


This is how I view this hobby, too. I don't just scrap my kids, although they do feature in my albums. I am scrapping my life, and they are currently a part of my life. I don't make an album for each of them like some scrappers do. I make one album per year that includes it all. But the scrapping is for ME.

And no, I don't think you are super sensitive at all. It's amazing the stupid attitudes and ideas that people can have about others just because they think a "label" crams everyone in a given category into one tiny box, whether it is scrapbooking or something else.


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Posted: 10/12/2012 7:19:47 AM

My child is profoundly developmentally delayed and that's hard enough without comments like "why would you bother?" So, I'm in a different boat but I hear you.


Your child is profoundly developmentally delayed so your child can teach, in their way, love to the ignorant.

I would also respond: "I also scrap dead people". (Old, old family photos!)

I like PL because it encourages one to take photos they usually would not take. Jenne has some great prompts which has helped me document what I never would have thought of in the past. I describe PL as a photo journal with documentation. People have said, "A photo journal? How cool!".




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Posted: 10/12/2012 7:57:55 AM
I think that to a lot of non-scrappers scrapping seems like another "chore." Like something moms are "supposed" to do for their kids. So Im sure thats where is comes from. I guess they dont get why you would enjoy it at all!

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Posted: 10/12/2012 8:13:05 AM
it makes me sad to read all the nasty comments people have received in this thread but this one

My child is profoundly developmentally delayed and that's hard enough without comments like "why would you bother?"
literally brought tears to my eyes. mean people suck

i haven't had any comments, good or bad, about me being a scrapper. however, when i took my camera to my daughter's first ever softball practice, one woman said to me, "oh, you're one of those moms who takes pictures of their kids?" i mean wow, even if you don't scrap them, why wouldn't you want pictures of your children?!


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Posted: 10/12/2012 8:23:56 AM
I suppose I fall into the non-conventional category since we don't have kids. I scrapbook purely for the craft of it plus they make great gifts. But I am not concerned about passing on family history to future generations. I don't care if layouts are acid-free and will survive the next 100 years.

The only time I was annoyed by the "only moms scrapbook" stereptype was by a moderator on another message board I used to participate on where all of her challenges were parent-kid based. When more general challenges were requested her response was somewhat insensitive and short sighted.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 9:01:31 AM
My first scrapbook was completed for my senior year English class. It was all about me from birth to senior year. Now all I pretty much scrapbook are my kids. I never heard that stereotype. I have heard a not so nice stereotype that I won't repeat because it's far from the truth! I wouldn't care what people scrapped as long as there was some around me who do so we can together! Lol
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Posted: 10/12/2012 9:02:57 AM

My child is profoundly developmentally delayed and that's hard enough without comments like "why would you bother?" So, I'm in a different boat but I hear you.


I have a special needs child myself, and I have never had anyone say that to me. How horrible! What's wrong with people? That's your child. Why wouldn't you scrapbook about him/her? I would have given her a piece of my mind - and then some!

I scrapbook about my kids, but I also scrapbook about myself. I don't know if that makes me unconventional, but I do know that it makes me happy.



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Posted: 10/12/2012 9:51:58 AM

I think that to a lot of non-scrappers scrapping seems like another "chore." Like something moms are "supposed" to do for their kids. So Im sure thats where is comes from. I guess they dont get why you would enjoy it at all!


ITA. I also noticed that for many scrappers it's like a chore. The whole "I am never going to be caught up" concept is so foreign to me. Caught up with what? Is there a deadline? Is there a reason you need to complete everything? Is your child going to say "why are there only 30 LO's of me in the 6th grade? Surely there was enough pictures for 45!!" No, they won't. It is a hobby, it should be fun, not a chore. Not something you need to be caught up on. You need to be caught up on your work and homework and chores, not your hobby. I just don't get it!




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Posted: 10/12/2012 10:25:13 AM

I am 29, recently, married, no kids, but a cat. I scrap about whatever I want and I don't care who will see my albums. I scrap for me and nobody else. If and when I do have kids I think they'd want to see how their parents were before they were born.


This is almost me to a tea, although I'm 28, married for 5 years, and we have *4* cats

I scrap mainly because I love the process, and as a bonus I end up with albums that I can look through and enjoy for the rest of my life, and preserve memories that I'm sure I would have long forgotten. If anyone is interested in them after I'm gone, great. If not, I got what I wanted out of them.

I don't think I've ever had someone question why I would scrapbook, though I do get teased regularly by my friends for being an "old lady" who scrapbooks and knits.



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Posted: 10/12/2012 10:45:46 AM
In case you are wondering no she didn't get a piece of my mind or slapped what happened was I managed to get out of the room before I started crying. I really don't think she meant it the way it sounded. It was insensitive not mean. She just couldn't understand not doing the 'typical' first day of school, team sports ...

And yes, he does teach love and acceptance. He has a joyful personality that shines through everything.

Sorry for the hijack, but thank you everyone.


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