student suspension, are teachers told the reason?
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Posted: 10/12/2012 5:25:40 PM
Back story: I went on a field trip today to assist one of the students I teach. They need one on one supervision. When I went to check the bus, another student was in the office (20 minutes after the a.m. bell rang). I thought they were sick so I gave them sympathetic attention, etc.

Came back from the field trip 10 minutes before the p.m. bell rang and found the student in the office earlier was sent home for an out of school suspension. No official reason.

This student is in my direct supervision.

There was a "rumor" reason , as in suspected cause of the suspension (illegal activity).

Should classroom teachers know why the student was suspeneded? I wasn't present so I don't actually know what happened.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 5:29:16 PM
I always get a copy of the referral for my files.

I'd ask, so you can know how long to expect them to be gone/how much work to set aside, etc.


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Posted: 10/12/2012 5:32:32 PM
The reason I want to know is that if the reason is true, the student tried similar behavior a little while ago- but not the extent that got them in trouble. I'm wondering how much of the behavior went on.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 5:36:13 PM
Did you ask??



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Posted: 10/12/2012 5:38:55 PM
Yes, I did in fact ask. No answer was given. The teachers I asked after I got no answer said they didn't know anything beyond "bad choice

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Posted: 10/12/2012 5:39:24 PM
I do not find out the reason-- they figure we do not have a need to know why. If you thought you saw suspicious activity prior to this, you should have reported it then.



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Posted: 10/12/2012 6:06:23 PM
You want to know why? The student "innocently" helped themself to something inconsequential and it was written off as no big deal. No one thought it was a big deal. There really was nothing to say. Now, if the reason being floated around is true, in hind site, it was a big deal.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 6:37:29 PM
I think it depends on your direct relation to the student. When I worked in the schools, when students were suspended, sent to in-school suspension or even just sent to the principal's office, the primary teacher was in charge of writing up the referral. I was given a copy of the referral if it was for one of my clients. I was able to get the referral and know the reasons because that was directly part of my job as the behavior analyst. Speech therapists and general aides were rarely given formal referrals, as it didn't directly apply to them. However, if they asked, they were told the reasons.



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Posted: 10/12/2012 6:40:44 PM
If I wrote the referral then yes I am told. If it's one of my 6:1+1 kids that gets a referral from someone else, then yes I am informed.

If it's a kid that is not mine, nope....not told.



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Posted: 10/12/2012 6:42:40 PM

I think it depends on your direct relation to the student.


I think this, too. Are you a certified classroom teacher with this kid on your roll, or are you an instructional assistant who sometimes supervises him?

I'm still not clear on why you didn't report problem behavior in the past.

And who are you asking? Other teachers? Administrators?



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Posted: 10/12/2012 6:57:52 PM
In my district, we wouldn't be told why and we're not told why if they get an alternative school placement, either. The only case might be if the incident that got them suspended happened in my room or I was the person who wrote up the discipline referral. Then I'd get my copy of the form back with the action that was taken on it, but that's it.


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Posted: 10/12/2012 7:57:30 PM
No. I don't ask as I don't feel it is usually my business. I may be given a vague reason if they are going to be out for a while.



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Posted: 10/12/2012 8:02:22 PM
I sent a student to the office today for a major violation. He was suspended. If I hadn't been the teacher that sent him, I would have known since he is also in my homeroom. But if the student isn't a homeroom student I wouldn't have been informed (officially, but our team meets several times a week and we usually problem solve if needed).


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Posted: 10/12/2012 8:08:13 PM
I teach in high school and a daily report comes out of a list of suspensions but no reasons are given.



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Posted: 10/12/2012 8:38:23 PM
We have a computerized system where every referral, suspension, classroom incident is kept and every teacher has access. Our computer roll sheet will list if a kid is suspended and we simply have to click on their name to see why. Some kids have years of history in our district servers.


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Posted: 10/12/2012 8:48:52 PM
I am a specialist teacher, and I am not told when a kid is suspended, for how long, or why. Usually the kids fill me in.

Once I hear that it's not just an ordinary "out sick" absence, then I chase down the homeroom teacher or an administrator to find out how long the kid will be out.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 9:27:44 PM
I think the student's teacher should know (would know anyway, though, wouldn't she???) but any other teacher it isn't their business.



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Posted: 10/13/2012 11:23:22 AM
I am a state certified teacher and I am teaching the class this student is in. I am the classroom teacher. I had to get coverage because a student I work with in other areas was in need of one on one and I had to put that was priority number 1 that day.

I think this is as clear as I can make it. I'm one of several teachers, the kids rotate throughout the day. So the child is in my class for a subject and a hinky incident happened while no one was in the room. It was found out later however. And that is why I'm wondering if an actual teacher has a right to know. That's all.

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Posted: 10/13/2012 11:49:33 AM
I do think teachers have a need to know. Often, they are not told.

Years ago, when DS was in high school, he was suspended. He had not had the best history regarding grades, but he didn't have a history of disciplinary or other problems. Just trying to pass his classes took all his time.

One the day of finals he was walking into class, and found a switchblade knife (on a keychain) on the floor under the lockers a few yards away. He picked it up, showed it to his friends that he was walking with, and then began looking for the security guy to turn it in. He couldn't find the security guy, and the bell rang for the start of finals. (If you didn't get to class by the second bell five minutes later, you were locked out of the finals, and flunked the test). He hurried to class, and figured he'd turn in the knife later.

During the final, the assistant principal and the security guy came to his class and removed him. Someone had seen him showing the knife to his friends, and reported that he had a knife. The sheriff was called, and he was removed from school in handcuffs and ankle chains, and taken to the county juvenile assesment center. He was kicked out of school for six months, and had to go to a "diversionary" school. The kid who sat next to him there had tried to blow up his school's lavatorys with toilet bombs.

His favorite teacher had no idea why he was suspended, so I told her. She stood up in class the next day, and told all her students if they ever found any contraband on school property, to bring it immediately to HER, and not to try to take it to the front office or security (if they did, they would be arrested immediately for possesion of that item).

By the way, when he returned to that school six months later, the assistant principle had a conference with my son, which I attended. She told him that she should drop out of school. She said he would be much better off taking the GED, that it would be faster and easier for him. She really pushed him to sign the papers that day, which he did. It was horrible, with me trying to talk him out of it. I hate that school. (Most of his teachers were really great, the administration was awful.)
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