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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:54:24 PM
Now don't get me wrong. I love bargains, shopping, and Christmas. But shopping on thanksgiving. That I don't like. Also the employees should spend time with their families. What do you all think.

One day the holiday won't be special. It'll be about shopping. In my opinion.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:20:03 PM
I would prefer that they just stay closed until black Friday. I think it's overkill to be open on the actual holiday. But I'm wondering, is it any different than restaurants, movie theaters and such being open? Those employees are forced to work and be away from their families for what's a luxury. People can stay home and eat and enjoy their time together, right?

It just made me think because last year there were some people on facebook talking badly about the black friday shoppers who force retail people to work Thanksgiving to prepare for black friday, BUT a few days later this same person talked about going out to eat on Thanksgiving with her husband because she decided it would be more relaxing not to cook that day. I kept my mouth shut but couldn't help but shake my head at the whole thing.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:21:47 PM
I'm not a fan! I thought it was bad enough last year when the stores opened at 11pm & midnight.

This year WalMart will have sales at 8pm, the best of their sale at 10pm and event #3 sale at 5am. The event #3 doesn't offer any special electronics, the $1.97 DVDs, etc.

Target plans to open at 9pm on Thanksgiving evening.

Kohls will open at midnight with their sale prices valid through 1pm (I believe) Friday.

Kudos to JCPenney for holding to tradition!! Their doors will open at 6am on Black Friday.

I'm a huge BF shopper as I love it being a fun girl's day out. You won't find me standing in an electronics line ready to trample when the rope drops. I'm not in favor of Thanksgiving shopping nor will I patronize those stores at 8 & 9pm Thanksgiving evening.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:26:10 PM
The store I work at is next door to Kohl's, so I believe we are opening at Midnight. I'm on a medical leave, so I will be missing it. The rest of the stores in the area (in the chain I work for) are opening at 6am (dependent on who they are near to.)



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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:35:58 PM
They are taking all the fun out of it. I refuse to go out on Thanksgiving. And I refuse to go out midnight. I'm NOT a night person and it's much easier for me to get up early than it is to stay out late. I hope my mom and sister and I can continue our tradition but the stores don't make it easy. Sure we can still shop but half the fun is being up and out at a crazy hour, waiting in lines to score a deal.

Not a fan of this new trend.


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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:42:20 PM
Agree with the other posts. I won't shop on Thursday. I do find it frustrating that many stores have their big sales Thursday. Boo!!!

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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:54:36 PM

Now don't get me wrong. I love bargains, shopping, and Christmas. But shopping on thanksgiving. That I don't like. Also the employees should spend time with their families. What do you all think.

One day the holiday won't be special. It'll be about shopping. In my opinion.

Thoughts?


Well, I personally try to stay home on Black Friday/Black Thursday if at all possible. I hated working it, so I try to avoid shopping it. I do think that opening on Thursday is silly, but it doesn't upset me: even if Thanksgiving were a big holiday in my family, we eat at noon and are done around 4.

I do think that some of my relatives like it. They have small children and travel from out of town. So the kids sleep in with their dads and grandpa in charge, while moms and grandma go shopping. I think they like having the opportunity to go out late rather than getting up early. They can actually hit the road to home earlier.

I also think that stores wouldn't do it if they didn't get some benefit from it.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:18:41 PM
I don't like it. I think it sort of sucks the fun out of it. I want to enjoy my Thanksgiving, all day, not have to go out and start shopping on Thanksgiving.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:32:32 PM
I'm totally the opposite!

We go to my MIL's for Thanksgiving and are usually home by 6ish... so on Thursday nite my DH and I will go shopping, then on Friday I'll be headed out with the girls!



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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:46:41 PM
I don't think stores should be open on Thanksgiving. The employees should be home with their families. My Dd worked at Old Navy her junior and senior year of high school and she had to work on Thanksgiving two years in a row. I hated it!

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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:54:29 PM
I'm not liking this either. My friend and I have been going BF shopping for about 6 years together. We love it! Then 2 years ago we decided to start at 10pm when TRU opened at like 11 or 12. That totally threw us off and it didn't feel the same. Now that the deals aren't really on Friday, not sure what we are going to do.


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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:10:29 PM
I don't see the problem. There are people who either don't celebrate Thanksgiving, celebrate it but then are done eating by 5pm, or for whom it's not a particularly big deal. The only bad thing would be employees being FORCED to work that day when they want to be home with family.

We have no family around us, so it's just us 4 for Thanksgiving dinner, i.e. like every other dinner the rest of the year. Plus we're done by 5pm. I've been saying for years that opening stores at o'dark-thirty benefits only those who are naturally early birds. What about the night owls? I'm glad to see this swing now catering to both biorhythms.



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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:51:59 PM
I'll probably go shopping on Thursday- there, I admitted it! It happens to also be my birthday and I like to shop on my birthday. I will still see family plenty, but not until 4 or so and probably only until 8 or 9. I'll still have lots of time to kill.

I hope workers are appropriately compensated or at least work flexible shifts. That said, I've worked plenty of holidays over the years and my DH works for an airline, so it's been a given more years than not that he will work. It's never been difficult to shift dinner time to accommodate or even celebrate another day. I actually tried to get my DH to work thanksgiving overtime this year since he has enough seniority now that the pay is pretty good, but he didn't want to given the birthday situation! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy family dinners as much as the next gal but it doesn't have to be a particular Thursday in November for us to get together and be thankful.


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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:56:11 PM

There are people who either don't celebrate Thanksgiving, celebrate it but then are done eating by 5pm,

Who doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving? One of the things I've learned over the years to my surprise is that immigrants and people from other religions all celebrate thanksgiving. Oh wait I guess there's jevohah witnesses, I don't know about them? My family has thanksgiving dinner at 4pm, afterwards I'm so full from food and wine that I have to be rolled home. lol I couldn't imaging going out shopping afterwards, I just want my bed. lol




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Posted: 11/11/2012 11:08:41 PM
KMart has always been open on thanksgiving and so has grocery stores, trader joes, walgreens, cvs, and sports authority formerly I'm sure there are others too

I agree people should be able to spend time with their families and hopefully they are at least getting holiday pay.
But some people choose to work a holiday.

Most employers open on a holiday out a sign up sheet up for employees to say they want to work


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Posted: 11/12/2012 6:15:29 AM
While I personally won't shop on Thanksgiving, I will guess that in this economy that there are plenty of people willing/happy to work the evening hours for extra pay and holiday money, so I don't have a problem with it.

I cocktailed and bartended my way through college and grad school and worked most major holidays and was very happy for the double-time pay.


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Posted: 11/12/2012 6:36:34 AM
To me, this takes the fun out of it. It turns it into a job rather than something fun to do, and something to look forward to, the day after Thanksgiving. When they started doing this last year I couldn't/wouldn't participate. We went out on black Friday and it was a wasted trip. The only black Friday shopping I'll do this year will be online.

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Posted: 11/12/2012 6:40:12 AM
If it's not forced, then what's the issue? The store should be allowed to be open if it wants to and if there are willing volunteers to work who are compensated appropriately, then it should go forward. The stores will know if it's viable to continue. Obviously, since it's going for a second year, someone saw some kind of gain.

As mentioned, not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving or celebrates it at night.

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Posted: 11/12/2012 6:47:05 AM
We have gone out a few years just to shop around and see what is going on. I have a small family and for example, my mom will be leaving by about 4:00 on Thanksgiving Day because she doesn't like to drive home in the dark. Our day starts pretty early.

I hope that the people that do work on Thanksgiving day are doing it by choice and not forced into working.

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Posted: 11/12/2012 7:10:35 AM
Both my father and my S/O work oilfield, and neither one will be here for Thanksgiving Day this year. Our family (along with S/O's family) will have a giant Thanksgiving celebration on November 29th. Actual T-day will be spent with just my mom, my youngest DD and I hanging out and watching movies and eating popcorn and tacos (mom's fave!). Later that evening, mom will watch DD while I run out for a bit and pick up a couple of items for DD at the WM sale.


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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:18:53 AM
DH and I started Black Friday shopping in 2006. That first year (and 2007 too), Kohls opened at 3am, Target 4am, Walmart 5am and Kmart6am. All were within 0.5 miles of each other. DH and I got in, picked up what we had on our list and got out in time to make it to the next store and repeat.

2 years ago, Walmart had some sales at midnight and then again at 5am. So we did that. Went home and slept until Kohls opened at 3.

Last year, it sucked because most of those same stores opened around 12 - 1 am or 3 am. DH and I had to drive separately to each get in line at a different store. Plus, we were up from Thanksgiving morning until around 7 am Friday morning. Took the fun out of it. I know, it's our choice to go or not, but it used to be fun.

This year, we're actually considering not going at all. Seems like the retailers are ruining it, making it more difficult to get in and out.

We're bummed!


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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:25:56 AM
I have worked retail and in a restaurant during the holiday season for many years. This year will actually be the first year since the late 90s I have not. Working on these days is what the job entails. Unfortunately with the economy the way it is you have to go to work when they are open. If there are people there when they open the doors then the store are going to open the doors. You know that if you work in the mall during the holiday season you are going to work more and different hours than normal. (It blows my mind that people want a job but dont want to work when the hours are there) Last holiday season I had to be at work a half hour before the retail store opened (which varied depending how close to Christmas it was). So I worked 6:30 to 3, when home took a nap and had to be at the restaurant I work at between 5 and 6. I would be in the category of I would like to be spending time with my family on holidays but I would also like to be able to pay my bills.

With that being said, I personally would rather shop or work at night than have to be there to be open at 5 am. Some of the other peas mentioned places like movie theatres and restaurants staying open. I know tons of people who go out eat on holidays. I also know tons of people who go to the movies on Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years day. I just do not understand why those employees are not as important as the ones who work in retail. If people would stay home and not go out then things would not be open. Capitalism at its finest.


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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:26:17 AM
I used to think Black Friday was fun. Back when the stores opened at a normal time. Santa arrived on Thanksgiving and the Christmas season kicked off. The early store openings, followed by the midnight openings, and now the Thanksgiving Day openings have killed it for me. It is no longer a joyous celebration of the season, but a money grab by the stores and a competition to get the biggest and best bargain among the shoppers. I will not go out to shop on either day.

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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:37:43 AM

It is no longer a joyous celebration of the season,
While I love BF shopping, shops and their antics aren't part of my Thanksgiving and Christmas joy. Amen!



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Posted: 11/12/2012 10:35:03 AM
I don't shop on Thanksgiving, but I don't feel like retail workers should be exempt from working that day based on the holiday alone.

If the store stays closed or is open for limited hours, I think that's nice, but I'm not going to bash those who are open.

Like was already mentioned, restaurants, theaters, gas stations, truck stops, convenience stores are typically open. Their employees may have to work a shift on Thanksgiving.

So I don't see how it is worse if a big box or department store is open and their employees have to work a shift.

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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:58:06 PM
I wish it could all be voluntary so those who love the overtime could have it x3 but people who didn't want to work didn't have to.

On a personal note I'm not a fan just because it's pushing the shopping up a day. It's typical herd behavior. Someone started it "first" and then every other retailer had to get on board to try and get some of that "early" action. Now "early" is almost default.

Then again, I think some people probably enjoy the chance to go shop with family members they might not see otherwise. Maybe it's a bonding thing?
I don't know.

As you can see my opinions are loosely formed and subject to change.




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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:15:24 PM
I work in retail for a major department store (sears). I think it stinks! Our store is supposed to be opened on Thanksgiving but because of the laws in Massachusetts they can't open or they pay a fine (I was told this, I don't know details) so we are opening at Midnight.

I work in the hr office and we have to be be there because we handle the money too. I'm the lucky one that gets stuck with the midnight shift because everyone else I work with in there is 50 and above and all they have been doing is complaining and "nominated" me because I am young. My holiday is ruined. This is the one holiday I get to cook (I love cooking!) and I plan it months ahead of time to make it special. This year, I'm not doing anything, except going over my in laws for a few hours then coming home to sleep. I don't mind working BF, I am usually the opener at 4am but midnight or thanksgiving day is overkill.
Everyone has to work that day, even if it's their normal day off.Or else they will be out of a job.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 12:34:27 AM
I will freely admit that I like stores starting on Thursday.

I would much rather shop after already being awake than get up early the next day. 15 yo DD and I went to Wal-mart last year for their Xbox sale. It was very easy and organized. We had fun talking with others in line and just hanging out then we slept in the next day.

We see family early in the afternoon and are done in time for late shopping.



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Posted: 11/13/2012 2:20:56 AM
and to think that 6am was early for black friday to start. It just keeps getting earlier and earlier. I work at toys rus and was told we'll be open thursday 9pm to friday 9 pm oh joy


One day the holiday won't be special. It'll be about shopping. In my opinion.


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Posted: 11/13/2012 2:45:38 AM
I don't like it, but I'm guessing people will shop as soon as stores open--Thursday or Friday--so they don't miss the deals. You snooze you lose and all that.

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Posted: 11/13/2012 6:25:07 AM

I used to think Black Friday was fun. Back when the stores opened at a normal time. Santa arrived on Thanksgiving and the Christmas season kicked off. The early store openings, followed by the midnight openings, and now the Thanksgiving Day openings have killed it for me. It is no longer a joyous celebration of the season, but a money grab by the stores and a competition to get the biggest and best bargain among the shoppers. I will not go out to shop on either day.


I agree with you 100%.
If the stores open at 8pm this year, what happens next year? Before we know it, "Black Friday" will be "Black Wednesday" I hate it.

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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:04:23 AM
I wanted to share a graphic I received on facebook, but unfortunately it is 4am and for some unknown reason (oh yeah, stressed over the economy)I am awake, yet can not figure out how to share the graphic part. Here are the words:

Black Friday: Because only in America, people trample others for sales exactly one day after being thankful for what they already have.

Attempted one black friday sale once for a basic small crock pot. Unsuccessful, but incredibly eye-opening. I still do not have a crock pot. I will never shop anywhere near black friday and I cut back my wal-mart shopping dramatically. What it taught me can not be measured.




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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:33:59 AM
I am really not impressed with this new Thanksgiving Night shopping trend. I did it last year, because we were at my parents house, and my mom really wanted to go to Walmart to check some stuff out for our kids. So I went, and we conned my dad into driving us there (my husband got to stay at home with the sleeping babies-lucky guy!). It was a nightmare! We could not believe how crowded and absolutely INSANE it was. NEVER AGAIN!!! I'm not big on Black Friday shopping (early in the morning-later in the day is fine) to be begin with, but this was over the top for me. I felt so bad for being there when I'm sure those nice workers would have rather been at home sleeping off their turkey and hanging out with their families.



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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:35:29 AM
I have a confession to make.

I've never been out on Black Friday. When I was a kid my mom refused to go out and "get trampled to save a few bucks."

I've always had the impression that the Doorbusters! they advertise consist of about five of each of the items and when they're gone they're gone. I like $2 towels as much as the next gal, but I do not like the behavior that is portrayed on TV.

Yep, I'm skeered of women on the deal rampage!


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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:41:12 AM
Katybee, if it's any consolation, I saw plenty of those $2 towels stacked high in certain people's carts on my only black friday excursion. You didn't miss out. They weren't what you are imagining. You could walk in any day and pick some up for $2.50, 2.97 tops.




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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:43:01 AM
I dislike Black Friday in general... I don't care when the stores open. IMO, no deal is worth that craziness.

That being said... LOTS of people work on Thanksgiving Day (myself included).

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Posted: 11/13/2012 7:54:52 AM
No I don't like it. I think the stores should be closed to allow families to be together. Waiting one freakin' day won't kill ya.




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Posted: 11/13/2012 8:02:31 AM
I live in Massachusetts too, and the blue laws prevent stores from opening on thanksgiving day. I've never been shopping on Thanksgiving, and I'm way too busy to start. By the time we've cleaned up dinner, I'm not up for any more than a football game or a movie on tv. Sometimes we go shopping on Friday, but not before 10 or 11. I've never hit the big sales.

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Posted: 11/13/2012 8:22:45 AM

plenty of people willing/happy to work the evening hours for extra pay and holiday money,


That is not how it works. Everyone has to work. It is not a volunteer system. You make your regular pay. Some are even told to report an hour before your shift with no extra pay because there are parking issues.


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