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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:02:08 PM

But then the third debate came around and Romney totally dropped the ball on the issue. I fully believe that there had to be a reason why he didn't hammer it, but I may be way off base.



Ah, the debates. Some day the debate coaches will tell the Republicans that body language counts. Remember GHWB looked at his watch while Bill Clinton was speaking at their "town hall" debate. That and the comments he made about the scanner at the grocery store meant more than anything he could have said and proved how out of touch he was.

Don't any of the Republicans here think Romney was disrespectful to the President especially during the second and third debate? Do any of you have a boss that uses the "push away" gesture with his hand when you are talking? Does anyone remember Romney raising his eyebrows and saying "huh, huh" to the President?

Body language matters -- just ask Rick Lazio what happened to him after his debate in 2000 with Hillary. He was turned into dog meat.

Why would Romney have acted so disrespectfully to the President -- if he had won and a political opponent had acted the way he did to our President, the heads would explode here in an instant!



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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:07:29 PM

And I have to ask, as social programs increase, are those taking advantage of them increasing in their acquisition of wealth or not?


I think one of the worst things about welfare reform (I'm speaking about its implementation in California specifically) is how it took away most of the incentive/help for people to go back to college.

SO many people (parents) ended up dropping out of school to work at low-paying, dead-end jobs because of the new welfare-to-work requirements.

That's what happened among people I know, anyway.

ETA: I also think Obama botched the first debate. I was cringing!

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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:29:35 PM
I'm a registered Democrat, but live in a hugely Republican district. The Romney supporters were out in full force, putting up lawn signs, knocking on doors etc etc. I thought Romney had a good chance of winning, if the same dedication was being employed by the Republican machine all over the country.

However....as soon as early voting opened I was stunned by the long lines, the horrific wait times to get in to vote etc. When I finally stood in one of those lines, to cast my vote, it was obvious that Obama was going to win...people were angry at Romney for his disregard of minorities, women, gays, and anyone who wasn't a WASP....and they were using their vote to show their disgust. Many folks in line said they were not particularly Obama fans, but they sure didn't want 'that Romney bigot' in the WH.

If Romney was playing to the religious right, and I believe he was, he badly miscalculated the feelings of the rest of the voting population.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:33:44 PM
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Republicans have to find a way to embrace the Hispanic and minorities... but you see,, it's against our philosophy to just have an entitlement society.. we can't afford it..
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And that statement right there is EXACTLY why Republicans find themselves in the predicament they are in.


WORD. You also have to remember, as another poster mentioned several days back, the brown people are breeding like crazy.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:57:59 PM

That's how I felt after Bush was re-elected.


Me too. But I also recognized that Kerry was a horrible choice for a candidate, and I never had any hope that he would win.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:59:23 PM
I voted for Obama both times, just to get that out of the way. I truly thought Romney had a really good chance at winning, right up until Virginia or Pennsylvania weren't called right away. But I'm also like Athena, & get my news from a large variety of sources. It is possible to watch MSNBC & Fox.

I'm trying to remember where I heard this, but I know I've read &/or heard several times that Romney was briefed by the State Department after the second debate. And whatever he heard in that brief is why he didn't bring it up after that.

ETA- I truly hope nothing I've posted has approached gloating levels. I felt the same way Republicans are feeling now when Bush was re-elected in 2004. I was eating sour grapes for breakfast, lunch, & dinner I was so upset.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:05:14 PM
I didn't watch the debates, so I am asking from an uneducated position in terms of that specific set of events, but Punchprincess, are you suggestion that Obama has been perfectly cordial to Romney? Or that in general, the Democratic party slings less mud than do the Republicans?

In my mind, that is a non-issue as they all do it constantly. It's sick and I don't understand why they continue to do it, given that education is supposed to be a breeding ground for peace, but they do it faithfully.

I think all of us can relate to hearing the ideology of someone who differs from us 180° and wanting to scream at them the question 'Are you out of your ever-lovin' mind? Were you born yesterday? Are you high on drugs!?' I would imagine that frustration is what is behind all the mud-slinging because we ALL think we are right, our position is right and the 'other' side is absolutely, positively ignorantly wrong.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:07:49 PM

WORD. You also have to remember, as another poster mentioned several days back, the brown people are breeding like crazy.


Sounds like straight up jealousy from the not getting none crowd.







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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:10:36 PM
I was cautiously optimistic for Romney up until election night.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:14:48 PM
IF this has been said before I'm sorry. My take on the whole thing is Political people knew that Bush made mistakes and that would probably mean people wanted change, so back to being a Democrat run country. The odds of ousting someone in office are not so good. So they put a good person up for election but really someone who would win. In 2016 expect to see what people are looking for in a president because Republics will put "the best guy" for the job in 2016. Hopefully we will get a great president. I hope so, I need for jobs to start again, for the economy to get better. I just hope that I can make it for four more years.

I'm a Dem. but Obama,, well I just don't trust him.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:19:59 PM
I really thought it could be an election won by either candidate.

I voted for Romney. I am a moderate. I don't believe that you can automatically say that he didn't pull in the moderate vote.

I never vote a straight ticket. I look at the candidates and the issues and vote accordingly depending on my views. I live in a democrat stronghold in a republican state.

I rarely watch fox news, I rarely watch the national broadcast news and I never watch cnn, msn and the like. I do read our local "paper" and the internet (many different sites with differing viewpoints).

I think there are zealots and extremes on both sides of all issues/parties.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:45:52 PM
I truly think what hurt Romney the most was the "47%" tape. It's one thing for someone to "say" you said this or that, but when you have someone on tape, saying things like that it's impossible to lie your way out of it, and gain respect back from those that find those things repugnant and bigoted, but might have voted for you otherwise.

While I thought the comments made by Murdoch, and Aiken were equally disgusting, and I considered them part of the extreme Republican platform, I didn't automatically blame Romney for them, although I do believe they sounded more like something Ryan would have said, and supported.

Which is another thing that I think hurt his election chances, the choice of Ryan as his VP. While some people may have seen past his "women's right's" issues, his budget plans proved to be not as structurally sound as he claimed they were according to many economic bipartisan professionals, and I think Romney was as surprised by that as many people were, as he thought it was Ryan's strong point. Or at least that is how I feel it went.

While I was not previously a fan of Christie, I truly believe he would have made a better VP for Romney than Ryan, and blaming him now just doesn't cut it for me.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:53:54 PM

I truly think what hurt Romney the most was the "47%" tape. . . when you have someone on tape, saying things like that it's impossible to lie your way out of it, and gain respect back from those that find those things repugnant and bigoted, but might have voted for you otherwise.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:01:07 PM
Yep I seriously thought he would because I thought more people were tired of
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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:06:04 PM

people were angry at Romney for his disregard of minorities, women, gays, and anyone who wasn't a WASP....and they were using their vote to show their disgust. Many folks in line said they were not particularly Obama fans, but they sure didn't want 'that Romney bigot' in the WH.

Something that the Republicans better sit up and take notice of in the past two Presidential elections: minorities of all types (racial, ethnicity, sexual preference, economic etc.) have discovered the power of the ballot box. They know now, probably for the first time in our history, that they CAN make a huge difference if they vote and get involved with the political process in this country. As the American demographic shifts away from the historical white, Christian male dominance, that power will increase. The Democratic party recognizes this. The Republicans don't. And THAT will have ripple effects far beyond the 2012 presidential election results.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:22:26 PM
Yea but it was ok for our president to have Jay Z sing a song involving hoes, b*tches & p&ssy and you wanna talk about women's rights how hypocritical!
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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:23:40 PM
"people were angry at Romney for his disregard of minorities, women, gays, and anyone who wasn't a WASP....and they were using their vote to show their disgust. Many folks in line said they were not particularly Obama fans, but they sure didn't want 'that Romney bigot' in the WH."

Let me simplify that. People were pissed because Romney refused to play identity politics and refused to pander to people based on their skin color, sex, or sexual orientation like Obama and the democrats. Romney tried to treat all Americans as equal and put forth policies that did not redistribute the wealth of the Wall Street fat cats (cause those are the only people who are rich, according to Obama and the media), policies that would benefit all Americans, not just the ones who think he government is their sugar daddy. Therefore the media Obama-propaganda ministers convinced the small minded masses that Romney was a bigot who kicked kittens and single handedly destroyed every BCP ever made.

Yes, I was hopeful he would win. Unfortunately we instead decided that a known liar deserved another shot.





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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:25:44 PM
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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:28:31 PM
I thought he had a really good chance of winning, but I knew it would be really close either way.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:37:54 PM
Recognizing and truly believing that every brown person isn't a useless burdensome taker isn't pandering. Pandering is making up bullshit stories about how you asked for binders full of women.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:41:18 PM

Romney refused to play identity politics and refused to pander to people based on their skin color, sex, or sexual orientation


You must smoke some good crack to think like that. You are forgetting about the "47%" comment! That and Romney pandered to the rich.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:52:13 PM


Sounds like straight up jealousy from the not getting none crowd.


Poster, meet sarcasm.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:41:12 PM

Recognizing and truly believing that every brown person isn't a useless burdensome taker isn't pandering. Pandering is making up bullshit stories about how you asked for binders full of women.


Yea, fact checkers found quite a few questionable comments from Romney. But only Obama is a liar.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:46:57 PM

Romney refused to play identity politics and refused to pander to people based on their skin color, sex, or sexual orientation


Right. He pandered to those with fat wallets.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:12:23 PM
I did. I truly, truly did, for the same reasons that Athena posted about.

I'll be honest. I've never been this devastated over a loss, not only because I disagree with President Obama's policies, but also because I was excited to vote for Mitt Romney, and I've never been excited to vote for any Republican presidential candidate since I've started voting.

I thought Mitt Romney could make a real difference. I truly hope the next four years go better than I think they will, and President Obama's policies won't be devastating to our economy.

Blue peas, I'm happy that you're happy that your guy won. That's the *only* happiness that I've been able to take away from this election, lol.

FWIW, the only reason that I've been against amnesty is because I don't believe in rewarding people for breaking the law. I have translated for an illegal lady who needed some help (I'm can kinda speak Spanish, I'm very rusty though) and my heart truly goes out to them. I have nothing against hispanics, and as a matter of fact, my nephew is one.

If the Republican party decides to embrace amnesty, I won't be against it as I was in the past, as long as securing the border is also a priority. Anyway...just adding my 2 cents to the discussion, lol.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:30:53 PM

Sandy was loose-loose for Romney.


I think the other pea was pointing out that "lose-lose" has only one "O" not two.


Yea but it was ok for our president to have Jay Z sing a song involving hoes, b*tches & p&ssy and you wanna talk about women's rights how hypocritical!


Which is still better than being a homophobe, wouldn't you say? Or better than telling women what to do with their p&ssy...at least they get a choice to be b!tches and hoes if they want.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:37:45 PM

Therefore the media Obama-propaganda ministers convinced the small minded masses that Romney was a bigot who kicked kittens and single handedly destroyed every BCP ever made.



No, that is one thing I will credit Romney for doing very well, all by himself.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:49:02 PM

Yea but it was ok for our president to have Jay Z sing a song involving hoes, b*tches & p&ssy and you wanna talk about women's rights how hypocritical!
No doubt, Jay Z was a bad choice. But a song isn't policy. Governor Romney could have linked arms with Joan Baez and sung "I am woman, hear me roar," but it wouldn't erase the fact that he never answered the Lilly Ledbetter question. Not once.

Lynlam, what you call pandering to identity politics, I call leaders recognizing that not everyone's reality is the same as their own. What you call pandering to identity politics, I call leaders recognizing that I exist. And yup, some of it *is* pandering. And I'm OK with that. That's how this thing works. (Again, far too deep in the Progressive era right now, but how do you think Wilson ends up signing off on the 19th? Because woman suffrage is part of his core values? Far from that!)


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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:59:27 PM
Wow I'm shocked bc had it been the other way & mitt had someone sing like that y'all would go ape sh$t!
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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:25:18 PM
I have to give it to the Democratic handlers who convinced America that Republicans are the anti gay, anti woman party. Those are simply not true. Until just a few months ago Obama was against gay marriage. I voted for gay marriage in my state, but it did not pass. It is both democrats and republicans who are against gay marriage. It is not a political issue. I am probably a libertarian, but will always vote Republican because they match closer to my views. I don't see how someone could vote for Obama if they have ever identified as a republican. It is the economy stupid, not social issues that are not issues at all. States are voting for/against gay marriage and abortion is and will remain legal.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:31:49 PM

Plus, I couldn't believe that people would vote for this guy again. Could. Not. Believe.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 10:19:01 PM

Wow I'm shocked bc had it been the other way & mitt had someone sing like that y'all would go ape sh$t!


Oh honey, Romney did enough damage, but it's his supporters like YOU that solidified (at least) my decision not to vote for him. At least Libertarians have some sort of clue on both sides of the issue - they know the economy and they are not racist homophobic bigots. Blame yourself, sweetie, and your likeminded frothers.


I am probably a libertarian, but will always vote Republican because they match closer to my views. I don't see how someone could vote for Obama if they have ever identified as a republican. It is the economy stupid, not social issues that are not issues at all.


I voted libertarian this time, precisely because of social issues (I can afford to do that I am in a blue state). What you, and other repubs, have to understand, is that it's not the social issues per se, it's the sentiment behind them. That a man on a science committee says that evolution is some BS from hell. It's not his religious beliefs, it's the fact that no reasonable person would want him on a science committee!! Likewise, a man who thinks a female body blocks rape sperm from a legitimate rape, is not very trustworthy on common sense issues. The fact that Romney was part of those people ruined his credibility. So it's not that people were afraid that abortion would be outlawed, it's the fact that someone can think that way (what I described above) that makes them question the entire party. And that's why former republicans voted democrat. Also, some may think that Obama does have the better economic plan, and they have their reasons for that.




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Posted: 11/16/2012 12:16:36 AM

it's the fact that someone can think that way (what I described above) that makes them question the entire party.


And this would be true for the other side as well. It's why we don't get along well, because we think what they think is dumb. And they think what we think is dumb. And in the end, everyone thinks that everyone else is dumb.

Now I am a Republican and I have heard more times that I can count a liberal wondering how it is that none of the Republican voters can think for themselves. And the Republicans say the same exact thing about the Liberals.

Does anyone ever stop and think that it's not about that? It's simply that we have completely different ideology and we simply cannot see the issues from the other point of view. Can't.....or won't. Not always sure which.

My personal experience is that if people are willing to truly sit down and listen carefully to the other side and truly consider another POV, they are sometimes swayed to think differently. However, I would submit that most of us aren't willing to truly consider another POV because we are already invested in the one we support.



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Posted: 11/16/2012 12:26:54 AM

I would submit that most of us aren't willing to truly consider another POV because we are already invested in the one we support.


And I would submit that most of us have very seriously considered another POV, and after that careful consideration made the choice we felt was best. As did the majority of voters.







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Posted: 11/16/2012 12:56:05 AM

My personal experience is that if people are willing to truly sit down and listen carefully to the other side and truly consider another POV, they are sometimes swayed to think differently. However, I would submit that most of us aren't willing to truly consider another POV because we are already invested in the one we support.


I may agree with this on some things, but I think if someone gives me (and most reasonable people) legitimate reasons, (without frothing) and clear examples on how it has affected their lives, or the lives of someone they know, or love, or how it could possible affect my life, and they have a very compelling argument, I am willing to be swayed to a different POV. It won't be easy if it's something I strongly believe in, but not every POV has to be written in stone.

I've had disagreement with many members on here, and had GREAT debates, (even heated ones) letting them explain to me how things affects their lives, me telling them how it effects mine, and I would still call many of them "my friend", even when we are deeply divided, on a POV.

But when someone starts off by telling you how stupid you are, or can't see how something they firmly believe in could possibly effect someone else differently, or they don't give a crap how that belief, puts a hardship on the other person's life, then it's hard to have a decent conversation.

They never give you that chance, they HATE you for your beliefs, the color of your skin, your economic class, political party, etc. and NOTHING you say is going to make them even consider how it might be to live on the other side of the situation, and if YOU do live there, then you are ignorant, lazy, never worked a day in your life, you are a drain on society, welfare mom, etc...etc...and those are just the nice names I can think of that have been said about people on here, who wanted nothing more from someone than to have those hardships acknowledged. Unfortunately it's the crazies that leave the most impressions.


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Posted: 11/16/2012 6:23:38 AM
"You must smoke some good crack to think like that. You are forgetting about the "47%" comment! That and Romney pandered to the rich. "
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Nope, no crack. Just very observant. We've dissected the 47% comment to death. Not going there again because you will not open your mind to anything other than believing it was a bigoted jab at all minorities, right?
As to pandering to the rich- Obama actually carried the richest districts in the country by a large margain. Most Hollywood millionaires voted for him. It is well documented that many extremely wealthy businessmen were large bundlers for him. So, again, the "evil Rich people love Romney so he isn't one of us" slogan was a brilliant marketing ploy. It just wasn't true, but that made no difference to Obama. Because his entire career has been based on the theory that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will eventually believe it.





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Posted: 11/16/2012 6:52:46 AM

people were angry at Romney for his disregard of minorities, women, gays, and anyone who wasn't a WASP....and they were using their vote to show their disgust. Many folks in line said they were not particularly Obama fans, but they sure didn't want 'that Romney bigot' in the WH.


I have a friend who is good friends with former PA Gov. Ed Rendell. And shortly after lunchtime on election day, Gov. Rendell told him that turnout in Philadelphia was heavier than anticipated - at that point I knew that the "Romentum" was a fallacy. Later that night (or the next day?) I heard Gov. Rendell say on one of the news shows that when they started talking to the people in these lines in Philly, the difference was in 2008 people were voting for hope and this year they were voting because they were angry. I've read and watched a lot of news and social media over the last week and I'm shocked how many people just don't seem to get this. The 47% taker statistic is a fallacy. There is not a massive welfare culture making up 50% of Americans determined to live off the teat of America. When you repeatedly insult hard working people who are doing their best to live their lives, those people are eventually going to push back. It's even alleged on this thread again, hispanics have an "entitlement" culture. Sorry, that's bull.

And at least in PA, the voter ID thing was huge. The PA Republican party didn't even try to hide it - they wanted to keep black and hispanic voters in Philadelphia from turning out so Romney could win. Black and hispanic voters have eyes, ears and watch the news. They got angry. And they did something about it.



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Wow I'm shocked bc had it been the other way & mitt had someone sing like that y'all would go ape sh$t!




Instead he had Meatloaf singing and we laughed and posted it on YouTube because it was so ridiculously funny. It didn't make us not vote for Romney because we already had our reasons to not vote for him.


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Posted: 11/16/2012 7:30:55 AM
I was hopeful. I knew the odds were not in his favor. People almost always vote the incumbent back in. Doesn't matter how poorly they are doing. People seem to like the idea of a known over an unknown.


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Posted: 11/16/2012 7:47:27 AM
Oh lynlam "not opening your mind" from you has got to be the funniest thing I have read in a long long time! I do believe "a case of the kettle calling the pot black" applies here!

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Posted: 11/16/2012 7:50:20 AM
Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but obviously I thought he had a chance at winning, or I would have never took the time to vote for him. Um... duh? To me this post seems a tad bit, condesending. The media pundits are doing their monday morning quarterback crap and the democrats are eating it up. I grow tired of democrats pointing out everything "they" think is wrong w/the other side. Shut the (fill in the blank) up. You freaks have your own set of problems.

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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:04:12 AM
I wanted to vote for him in the beginning, I was really glad Romney won over the other republican candidates. but then, instead of being the moderate I thought he was, he fell in line with the party line and lost my vote.

also, I am not understanding what wonderful business skills this man has. it's been said over and over (and I will admit to not researching this that much), that he did nothing to boost our economy here. he took US businesses, ran them into the ground and sold them. WOW! that's EXACTLY what I want our president to do! what mad business skillz does this man possess? he doesn't seem to be ANY better than the "fat cats" on Wall Street and the "fat cats" running our banks. it's ludicrous.

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Posted: 11/16/2012 8:08:15 AM
Oh come on. You do know there are people that abuse the fucking system right? Romney was right. That is all.

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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:04:16 AM

Shut the (fill in the blank) up. You freaks have your own set of problems.
Nice!!! Name calling always makes things better.




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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:08:25 AM

Nice!!! Name calling always makes things better



Oh, but yet it's ok that your side is, point blank, laughing, and mocking those of us that voted for Romney. Calling us stupid, unintelligent, greedy, (the list goes on)

Take your self-rightgeousness elsewhere.

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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:18:52 AM

And I would submit that most of us have very seriously considered another POV, and after that careful consideration made the choice we felt was best. As did the majority of voters.



Kim, are you saying that you've sat down with people who believe in opposition to you personally and really listened to them explain why they believe what they do. You then discussed it together, back and forth and then made a decision? If so, kudos to you.

I'm not suggesting listening to the media or reading articles but sitting down with real people and really talking through our understanding of how our world works. I've got one person in my life who has a different POV from me that I've done that with. I haven't found another person who will give me the time of day. And that was the reason for my statement.

In no way was my statement meant to imply that only the Left won't do this. I was stating that most people won't do this because most people can't have a civil discussion on religion and politics and so it doesn't even get brought up except on forums like this where for all intents and purposes you're anonymous.



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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:26:47 AM

Calling us stupid, unintelligent, greedy,
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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:52:32 AM
Canadian here, and I see this from the outside so don't hate on me. I don't watch CNN or Fox or read US print, but I do see our national TV stations. And what I saw of Romney was a rich individual who was basically out of touch with the reality of what's going on in the world. He peppered his religious beliefs into everything that he did, and pandered to the rich, to the exclusion of the Hispanics, Blacks, gays, youth, lower to middle class, godless, disenfranchised, etc. There was no moderation in anything that he said, and it seemed that he was making stuff up as he went along, and started to believe the 'facts' that he was making up.

I don't understand why people are staunch lifers as either republican or democrat. Find a candidate that reflects YOUR own values and beliefs and vote for that person, don't get sucked into some vortex political mind numbing party line goop simply because republican or democrat is imprinted in your DNA.

The world is changing, take a look outside your borders. The US needs to change if they want to remain a super power, otherwise you'll continue to take two steps back. A great nation doesn't achieve anything if you've got two political parties that are deadlocked and pointing fingers and blaming each other all the time, and not being able to action anything.

IMHO Obama at least offered inclusion and hope for change. He's going to have a rough ride and difficulties getting anything done, but I wish him well.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 11:12:52 AM
Democrat here.

I think it's funny that in the Bush vs. Kerry election, Bush won by 2.4%, and I recall hearing that it was a landslide due to the Electoral vote.

Now, President Obama has won by 2.8% (thus far, without everything being counted) and it's 'close'.

Just pointing out the inconsistencies...
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