Spellbinders Patent is Dead
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Posted: 11/16/2012 6:35:30 PM
First of all. I don't think this is "crap". For the past 3 years Spellbinders has been running around telling everyone how bad all the other die companies are for "stealing" their patented idea.

The truth is that they lied to the patent office to get the patent and then they lied to the court to try to keep it.

I am here to set the record straight. I am sorry if the truth hurts, but it is still the truth. I am just trying to get the word out so people know.

QuicKutz lost A LOT of customers and almost went out of business because Spellbinders threatened to sue anyone who bought their dies. Spellbinders essentially tried to exterminate their competition in the most unethical way possible.

If you think exposing the truth is "crap" then I don't know what else to say.

Everything I have posted is supported by the court documents. And I won't give my real name because Jeff Caron is sue happy and he would try to sue me.

He actually threated to sue a magazine for giving his product a poor review. I heard that directly from the magazine editor.

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Posted: 11/16/2012 7:19:50 PM
As far as supporting any business with deceptive, illegal, or immoral business practices, i have a tough time with that.

While i don't own but 3 or 4 spellbinders dies, i think they are a great product, but that has nothing to do with how i feel about the owners now. I think (from what i understand), there business practices leave a lot to be desired. I only like the basic shapes, and am not a fan of most of their other dies, except the page maps, and a few others. That said, if i was a huge fan, i'd be torn as to continuing to support them.

I like to think of myself as ethically moral, and a "do the right thing" sort of person, but maybe I'm not? If, for instance, they made a die that was the "be all, end all" and I HAD to have it, I would consider buying it. I would first look for an alternative, but if i'm being honest, i might end up caving.

I know this about myself because when the homophobic remarks were made by the CEO/Owner of ChikFilet-I have still eaten there. I am abhorred by his bigotry and ignorance, but apparently they don't bother me so much that I won't go buy a vanilla shake on occasion. AM i am AWFUL PERSON, who can only stand on principle when it suits me, or is this fairly normal?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. (only good ones, of course! )

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Posted: 11/16/2012 7:38:19 PM
Wait, Sizzix had a way to emboss w/brass dies without a light box, in their machine, and that was old news by the time SB came out.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 3:00:30 AM
So, OP, have you found any other boards on which to share your information?

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Posted: 11/17/2012 5:01:57 AM

So, OP, have you found any other boards on which to share your information?


Snark intended this time?

Seriously, is there a reason to NOT talk about this? Is it one of those "if we don't talk about it, it ain't happening" type of things? Or, "shhhhh--maybe nobody will find out about this."

Or, maybe you know the owners of Spellbinders? I'm curious why it matters to you so much.

This is a scrapping site, people discuss products and companies, all.the.time. This is NO different. OP came here and shared the facts and truth.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 6:54:36 AM

Seriously, is there a reason to NOT talk about this?


I have to agree with this.

This info was posted at another site I frequent (not sure if it's the same OP) and instead of acknowledging the information people concentrated on the fact that the OP signed up just to post it.

Who cares? It's not fiction and I, for one, am glad it was brought to my attention.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 6:57:49 AM
I'm with devildog and Kelsey.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:50:33 AM
Lifestyle Crafts has a press release about this, see link below:

Press Release

I do remember this lawsuit. I still own and use a zip e'mate so you can see that I've been die cutting for a number of years. I remained a loyal Quickutz customer even after hearing about this lawsuit.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:51:46 AM
I guess you have to admire someone with that much loyalty? **shrug** That's all I've got.

eta: I'm talking about the posters who are upset about this being posted. When I was posting the post above mine wasn't there. Plus I'm half asleep.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:31:11 AM
Wow I remember that there was a lawsuit againt QK but I didn't know the details behind it I guess it makes me happy I never bought any of the Spellbinders dies. It is too bad that they were so nasty and tried to get away with this. I have always heard good things about them and was tempted to buy some. I still occasionally use my old QK dies.

I know Provocraft has pulled some stupid stunts to but since I already had my machine will still use it. No way I can start all over on another machine/system.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 12:01:58 PM
Yes, the snarkiness was intentional this time. I will own that.

And, no, I do not work for Spellbinders. I do own 16 sets of them. Each one was purchased with a coupon except the very first one. I saw that set in a scrapbook store in Janesville, Wisconsin and couldn't resist and paid full price. That's my connection to that company.

Very late last night, I came across a post on the only other board that I frequent occasionally and it had the same title. The poster had joined yesterday. While he or she used a different name, the writing style and content were extremely close to what was posted here.

I appreciate finding about the lawsuit. I do not appreciate what the Spellbinders' owner did...repeatedly...and that was lie and deceive. The other board had a post with the QuiKutz press release on it. I had intended to copy it and post it here, but it looks like someone else beat me to it.

What I do not appreciate is someone coming onto this board for the sole purpose of dropping a bomb like that here and then disappearing. While the information itself is relevant, I don't see the delivery as all that different from those annoying, spammy bridesmaid dress postings that use to show up here. I had joined that site at least a year ago, but had never posted a message. I have to admit that I was tempted to post that I thought that the same person had posted a first time post here about the subject at hand. But, I didn't want MY first post over there to be regarding him or her. For transparency's sake, my name over there is Sweet Dreamer2. (I'm not sure if the TOU here allows a link to that other site, so, I will not include it.)

The OP was questioned on the other board about joining and posting for sole purpose of slamming Spellbinders. One poster suggested that if that OP was really interested in the scrapbooking industry, that he or she should stay and contribute to the discussions. What are the chances of that happening on either board?



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Posted: 11/17/2012 12:02:16 PM
I dont get what problem some of you have with the OP? It's not like she's spreading rumors, she's posting facts, with the actual decision. What does it matter what her motives are? The facts show that SB is a deceitful company with horrible ethics. It's up to you to choose to do business with them or not. OP registering just to say what she did is absolutely irrelevant.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 12:10:51 PM
Who has that much time and energy to get worked up about that? Besides, she didn't disappear, she's been back and even stated why she posted anon. Who's to say she's not already a pea and is a regular contributor, or on the other board? Seems silly to waste time on that facet of this, though I guess I'm doing the same.

TFS, OP. Good info.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 12:24:07 PM
^^^^^^
Nicole, I've been following along with this issue for a while now. This is completely SB related and isn't gossip.

As a consumer, this is the type of thing that I want to know about a company or product. I don't buy from PC anymore due to the Cricut/SCAL mess.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 12:36:20 PM

Very late last night, I came across a post on the only other board that I frequent occasionally and it had the same title. The poster had joined yesterday. While he or she used a different name, the writing style and content were extremely close to what was posted here.
Can you post a link? I'd like to see the responses there.

eta: never mind-I found it at scrapbook.com. It looks like there aren't as many responses there but they're pretty much in line with the ones here. Some snarky and some grateful. I do agree that it looks like the same OP and it is too bad she had to lie about posting at other boards but I think she was/is in full defense mode and I can't blame her. The very first post was pretty bitchy.

Reading the legal documents it sounds like Spellbinders was in the wrong. I like my nesties but haven't bought any for ages (mostly buy the SU framelits now). Other than those and the tan mats I don't think I have anything else spellbinders brand.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:07:41 PM
As far as the embossing with brass stencils... THAT was one of the pluses for me when I got my first Zip'eMate (I got a 2nd one dirt cheap as one to "travel" with). And Zip'eMate was out long before I heard about Spellbinders.

The OP is very likely to be a regular pea that is afraid of Spellbinders. I didn't know about the lawsuit before BUT someone at another scrapbooking company mentioned something that made me think of their comment when I saw this thread yesterday. The comment makes sense now and frankly, I'm glad I have very few Spellbinders dies and trust me, I have TONS of dies.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:13:27 PM

What does it matter what her motives are?


I don't know - kind of leaves a bad taste when someone just signs up to malign someone and doesn't even provide the link to show what they're talking about or where they got it from. People reading the thread are left to go find it on their own wondering 'WTF?'.

If my post was perceived by anyone as bitchy, so be it. See above comment.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:26:43 PM
Wow I didn't realize this was all still going on. I remember years ago who QK was really big and then all of the sudden you couldn't find them because of the lawsuit. I thought it was a shame since I loved the QK stuff.

But I am truly amazed that it took this long to figure it all out. Crazy!

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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:58:35 PM
OP- thanks for posting this. I don't think I've heard about the court case, and find it reprehensible that Spellbinders would accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of! I don't think I have any spellbinders (beautiful designs, just too pricey for me) and I only have one Quickutz I think. All my other dies are cuttlebug (and one or two TH), so i have no dog in this fight.

I don't know why it matters where the OP works or who she's friends with- the facts of the case are the facts, whether she's affiliated with Quickutz in some way or not. I haven't been to the scrapbook updates blog for a while, but find it very informative when i do go there.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:00:47 PM
I for one am grateful the OP posted this post today so that I could read the information. I bought Quickutz when it first came out and have always loved their products. I see absolutely nothing wrong with the OP's post. In fact, as sue happy as Spellbinders is I think it was a very brave thing for her to post at all.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:39:07 PM

as sue happy as Spellbinders is I think it was a very brave thing for her to post at all.




I don't think so. If you are giving facts, there's nothing to sue over.
And if you say 'in my opinion', I doubt you get sued for having an opinion.
It is only if you defame, slander, etc. someone and present it as fact in which it is not, then you could be sued for slander or libel.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 3:08:10 PM
Dayco, BTW, had Cut and Emboss dies. They never had a die with a hole in it that I can recall but I could be mistaken. One company had a hole in the die that you put your finger through to eject the paper so there was no ejection foam

I can't believe I still had it but here's the letter I got from Stacy at Spellbinders back in May of 2010.



To Whom It May Concern:

My name is Stacey Caron, and together with my husband, Jeff, we created the Wizardâ„¢ and Spellbindersâ„¢ dies in 2003. We own and operate Spellbinders Paper Arts to this day. We thank you for being a Spellbinders fan, friend and customer.

I am writing to you today to ask a favor. Jeff and I are in a patent lawsuit with QuicKutz for patent infringement on our US Patent # 7,469,634 and we need your help.

We are gathering statements from consumers, designers, retailers and industry professionals confirming that:

Spellbinders dies were the first dies to have holes in them, allowing the crafter to cut, emboss and stencil
Spellbinders dies changed the way people craft

If you could take a moment of time to fill out and sign the attached statement we would truly appreciate it. You can return it to me electronically (scanned), or regular mail. We need of this document within 7 days from your receipt of it. I promise it won’t take but a minute or two. The collective support of the Spellbinders community would definitely make a difference to us, and we appreciate your time.

When filling out the statement, please note the following:

Delete “bracket” areas and type your own words in these sections

You may forward this to other Spellbinders fans, to assist in our campaign.

Please email scanned copies to:
StaceyC@spellbinders.us
or
Mail hard copies to:
Stacey Caron
Spellbinders Paper Arts
9299 West Olive, Ave Ste 413
Peoria, AZ 85345
Fax: 602-385-7711

Thank you so much for your support!

Hugs!

Stacey


and here's the statement


Caron et al. v. QuicKutz
Non-Obviousness Declaration Outline

, am a resident of

[City, State]

.

I am employed as a [title] at [business name and address]. (If declaration is

I have [worked in the scrapbooking industry]/[been active in scrapbooking]/[other

Spellbinders’ introduction of dies having both a cutting/embossing edge

extending from one surface of the die and a separate embossing aperture (check as many as apply

and elaborate based on your experience):

enabled me for the first time to [describe things you could with the patented

Spellbinders dies that you couldn’t do before, explain why the Spellbinders dies

allowed you to do these things, and explain why you couldn’t do these things with

dies that previously were available to you]

enabled me to use a single die to [describe what you could do with a single

Spellbinders die that previously required using more than one die]. Before the

introduction of the Spellbinders die, I required two/three/four dies to accomplish

Describe all other advantages of Spellbinders dies relative to prior dies you used

or sold, including advantages related to cost, ease of use, reliability, quality of embossing; and

explain if you can why the Spellbinders die provided these advantages or why the prior dies

I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of

America that the foregoing is true and correct, and that this Declaration was executed by me on

_________________, 2010, at [city, state].

_______________________________
{Name}

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Posted: 11/17/2012 3:14:52 PM
Well, you can be sued without doing anything wrong. You may be able to get the case thrown out if it doesn't have legal "worthiness," but that doesn't mean you can't be sued and have to appear and get a lawyer, etc., a hassle and source of stress, even if you did nothing wrong.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 3:19:58 PM
well, yes, you can be taken to court. But I doubt a company is going to go after someone for making a statement. Hell, provo craft could've done it many times over if that were the case with all the digruntled people. Who even posted on their own board.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 5:17:07 PM
Provo craft has threatened MTC for posts made on the MTC forums. I'm not sure if they actually filed suits but they did threaten.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 5:21:49 PM



Provo craft has threatened MTC for posts made on the MTC forums. I'm not sure if they actually filed suits but they did threaten.



That is a different scenario. There were lots of consumers who posted things on PC's board (and elsewhere) about PC in the past year or so after all the lawsuit stuff with MTC (and later SCAL and any other company that was trying to produce software that would work with a cricut).

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Posted: 11/18/2012 2:18:32 AM
I'll respectfully disagree with the posters who claim people won't sue when there's nothing to sue over.

We live in a litigious society and people have and will sue over most anything. Yes, the case may be thrown out, but in the meantime the respondents have to hire a lawyer and defend themselves. The costs can be staggering and have bankrupted people and companies. And, there's often irreparable harm to the respondent's reputation and business.

In this case, the plaintiff did not win. But, the respondent had to pay to defend themselves. That had to be costly given how long this case has gone on.

I hate to see such negative stuff happening in this industry, but it's just like any other industry.

I appreciate reading the actual court document rather than just reading people's opinions. Thanks to the poster of the link to the court documents.


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Posted: 11/18/2012 9:02:33 AM
I'm by no means a litigious person, but in this case I hope that Quikutz goes after SB for their court and legal costs - it's just not right that QK had to defend itself for years over this, when SB was shown to be deceptive. I hope QK can recover from this and I will for sure be supporting them in the future.

And I, for one, appreciate the OP posting this, because I like to support ethical and honest businesses and I really didn't know who was on the right in this lawsuit.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:41:05 AM

I'll respectfully disagree with the posters who claim people won't sue when there's nothing to sue over.




Yes, but I just found it unlikely Spellbinders would sue the average joe. It still costs THEM money and it's not really worth it unless they were doing real damage based on lies.
So my opinion was, it's not 'brave' that the person came out and posted about the lawsuit.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:14:25 AM

So you registered on Two Peas just to post this crap? Who are you really? Why the personal vendetta?


Nicole, I wonder if you think it is crap because you placed top five in a contest SB sponsored and won over a hundred dollars in product. Seriously, you are biased.

I don't use their dies or any others, but it seems unfair to attack the OP for posting information that is factual and can be located on more reputable sites (i.e. the actual lawsuit document). She is sharing information, so it really doesn't matter who she is.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:26:32 AM
Just for the record of full disclosure: I am not affiliated with any scrapbook company, nor do I have connections with people in any of the aforementioned.

The OP does, however, as she stated further down on page 1.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:28:10 AM

Yes, but I just found it unlikely Spellbinders would sue the average joe

You'd probably think PC wouldn't sure the average joe either...
but they have and probably will again.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:31:54 AM

Yes, but I just found it unlikely Spellbinders would sue the average joe
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You'd probably think PC wouldn't sure the average joe either...
but they have and probably will again.

JMO


Really? Who? Because as much I love MTC, I wouldn't say that was the average joe. Or the maker of SCAL. That is not the same as a person posting information and/or opinions about a company. It's totally NOT the same thing at all.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 12:13:11 PM
I never took the leap with spellbinders because they were expensive and I didn't quite get why I needed them in addition to my sizzix dies, punches and cricut. I can see the attraction that you get a bunch of dies in one package and that you can get a bunch of sizes simply. I guess this didn't really light my fire because I had invested so much $ on so many other tools. Just for curiosity's sake, can you tell me what made them so hot so fast?

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Posted: 11/18/2012 12:52:04 PM

Just for curiosity's sake, can you tell me what made them so hot so fast?


I guess for me, it was the fact that their designs were a lot more modern and aligned with my scrapbook style. And at the time, neither Sizzix, QK or cricut were making those type of designs. Besides, it was a product that didn't (necessarily) require another machine or powering up a cricut.

Having said that, I never took the actual leap because the price point was always more than I wished to pay for. Heck, even now some of their newer, larger dies are $50+ I only own two sets of the nesties and the interest to purchase was that much more because I had a 50-60% off coupon. Otherwise, I already have what I need or I work around it.

Having said all of that consumers have the right to decide where to purchase their product. While the law requires owners to not break the law, that doesn't mean that everyone in the business is a saint. What I DON'T like is the dog eat dog mentality amongst companies. We're CRAFTERS for ______ sake not investment bankers.

I can appreciate the PDF, much like I've appreciated all happenings at Provo, Paper Tray and OA. All of it simply sheds light on INTEGRITY and that plays a role for many consumers.

I think there's room for everyone in this business without the need to deceit, break the law or sue anyone (or get sued) in the process.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 1:12:26 PM

I never took the leap with spellbinders because they were expensive and I didn't quite get why I needed them in addition to my sizzix dies, punches and cricut. I can see the attraction that you get a bunch of dies in one package and that you can get a bunch of sizes simply. I guess this didn't really light my fire because I had invested so much $ on so many other tools. Just for curiosity's sake, can you tell me what made them so hot so fast?


My first Spellbinders was a tag set I won on a blog. I only started buying them when they came out in the stores and I could use a coupon on them. I never bought any for less than 50% off. I also ended up with $75 worth of GC's to Michaels and there wasn't much else I had a desire to use them on. So I picked up the SB's here and there when a 50% off coupon came along.
I have a cricut w/carts and also MTC. So the 'need' wasn't there but like I said I had GC's, coupons, and it's easier to whip out than the cricut which I don't have a dedicated space to keep set up. They also emboss and you can stencil with them, so it adds a greater look than if I had cut the same shapes from the cricut alone.

And that is how I got involved with using Spellbinders. I have bought a few Memorybox/Poppystamps dies at my local art/LSS but those are the door, window, fence, and flowerbox ones and not sold in the box stores.

If I could buy QK for the price I can get SB's then I'd buy them if there were things I wanted. But QK only sold in the LSS's so I never got on that bandwagon. They were too pricey for me. My first diecutter was the cricut. The cuttlebug was something I won and that's how I got started on THAT one.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:00:55 AM
Thanks to everyone who supported me in this post. I will leave it alone now. I have followed this board for many years. I am just not one to post.

As for the other board where this information was posted. It wasn't me. I don't know who it was. I have been completely honest in everything I have posted.

I agree with some of the posters who said that it is the content of the post and not how many previous times the poster has posted that is important.

Kaleidoscope it isn't hard to see that you were on the Spellbinders design team for a few years. Calling this information "crap" and changing the focus from the facts to my status are exactly the tactics that SB has been employing for the last 3 years. I am sorry if you are friends with the SB owners. It is probably difficult to believe that they could do all this.

As long as good people are willing to fight, then the truth will prevail. There were many times where the QK folks could have just given up, but they knew that their cause was right.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:12:51 AM

As for the other board where this information was posted. It wasn't me.


So, this other person copied and pasted your post from here and then included the additional information that was provided with the link? I went and saw it.


Kaleidoscope it isn't hard to see that you were on the Spellbinders design team for a few years. Calling this information "crap" and changing the focus from the facts to my status are exactly the tactics that SB has been employing for the last 3 years. I am sorry if you are friends with the SB owners. It is probably difficult to believe that they could do all this.




It wasn't me. You're talking about Nicole in TX. My first name isn't Nicole either. So please get your facts straight before you go pointing fingers.
I even pointed out above I'm in no way affiliated with any scrapbook company. I don't know anyone to take sides for/against on their behalf.

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Posted: 11/19/2012 10:15:37 AM
Looks like the thread on the other board was removed.

ETA: here's the link to the
*cached* post from doing a google search.
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