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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:02:30 AM

Just take a look at some of the studies you hear about on the news. Do we really need a study (that probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars) to tell us that diabetes is increasing because of obesity? NO KIDDING! I have heard so many reports on so many studies that are pure common sense. Wasteful.

While I agree there is wastefulness in government that needs to be overcome, I also think it's shortsighted to pick on an example like the above. Do you really want major policy decisions to be based on "common sense," not actual facts? I want educated people to do research that establishes the real causes of diabetes (for example), not just assume they know the reasons.

Science. Math. Statistics. More science.

Not conventional wisdom, which sometimes is just a step removed from ignorance and superstition.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:07:11 AM

One of my Dem friends explained the election results this way "The takers have outnumbered the makers, so get over it".

Sorry but I don't believe for a minute that a Democratic voter said any such thing to a Republican friend. Not meaning it seriously, anyway. Maybe tweaking you if you were being annoying.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:18:34 AM

I've spent the last 30 minutes shaking my head over this one.

anything left in it now?



OP - they know nothing BO doesn't tell them and that's all a lie anyway.

as someone else posted, they'll increase taxes on the 'middle income' people. again. more.

while BO keeps saying he won't raise the tax on middle people - he has already. several times over.

the increase on the 'rich' (it isn't just the really rich) won't cover much at all the way this admin spends it. Didn't I hear or read it'll be enough to cover something like 8 days of their spending? The really rich will probably just keep moving out of the country. Those that aren't the really rich included in that tax increase will layoff workers, not hire new workers and / or increase the cost of their goods and services to middle class Americans.

So the middle class WILL pay - BO just doesn't call it a tax on them. Like BOC isn't a tax.





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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:19:30 AM
Here's my reply: business owners are asked to provide equal insurance as the government or pay a fine if they don't. Businesses are taxed at extremely high rates, have numerous mandates to abide by, and many are getting by with a slight profit margin. Now these "rich" people are asked to give "more".

We see what happens. Businesses close. People are unemployed. Fewer people who can pay more. it's a no win

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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:21:15 AM

Lynlam you really are a piece of crap. You get dumber and dumber with each post.

sounds like a reply to someone posting the truth. Resort to name calling.




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Franklin wrote April 17, 1787:

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Benjamin Franklin wrote his epitaph:

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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:40:23 AM

Corporate Profits Just Hit An All-Time High, Wages Just Hit An All-Time Low
Henry Blodget | Jun. 22, 2012
In case you need more confirmation that the US economy is out of balance, here are three charts for you.
1) Corporate profit margins just hit an all-time high. Companies are making more per dollar of sales than they ever have before. (And some people are still saying that companies are suffering from "too much regulation" and "too many taxes." Maybe little companies are, but big ones certainly aren't).



Sorry the facts just don't support your theory that business'es aren't making record profits, and people's wages are going down. CORPORATE GREED, that is what is causing most of the economy's problems right now., Not President Obama, not Healthcare, Not welfare... GREED!
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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:59:40 AM

According to the Republican scenario Paul is going to use his some of his boatload of money to create jobs which will help strengthen the economy. the problem with this is that Paul apparently didn't get the memo. Meanwhile the vast majority of the unwashed 47% are working their butts off to make ends meet and paying a higher percentage of their income in taxes than Paul is. I know, they are all legal loopholes. Built in by Paul and his buddies. The ones who are trickling down...nothing.


It's been my experience that Peter got hired to do a job that Paul doesn't want to do. Paul hired a CPA to do the books at his store/company/firm because he wanted to spend Saturday afternoon watching football rather than crunching numbers. Paul hired Peter because he was tired of driving 2,000 miles a week to cover his sales area. And so it goes.

You are perfectly within your rights to liquidate your company like Hostess is doing and live off your stocks, but don't squeal when your former, now hungry and homeless, employees come to you, via the IRS, and complain that you are paying 15% on your capital gains while they paid up to 35% on their wages while working for you.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 12:01:49 PM

re you bothered by the fact that I am in an interracial relationship? If so, your problem, not mine.


?? seriously.. no.. not in the least.. .. but how many people change their profile picture daily.

listen... you don't know me, nor I you,, and I don't believe that political views define a person 100%.. it's a small part.. I probably am old enough to be your mother.. your picture is very youthful looking.and if you're not as young as that.. lucky you... I live in an area that I see things differently.. and to be honest.. I agree with most of the democratic platforms.. as I've stated before..women's right, gun control, gay marriage.. and all because I am DIRECTLY affected by all.. and five of my brothers served very proudly in the military and one a wounded VietNam vet.. so.. that's neither here nor there.

I've also said that I respect President Obama and like him very much.. and I've think I've SHOWN my respect.. as I think we all should. but I find this whole deficit, spending, healthcare,, a bit scary as do many...and I DEFINITELY DO NOT FIND NAME CALLING, SEARCHING FOR NEGATIVES IN A PERSON VERY HELPFUL. I voted Republican...but I respect and will not ridicule our President.. his policies.. maybe ..but I'm not resorting the the name calling...

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Posted: 11/17/2012 12:45:11 PM

safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 12:47:40 PM

Not everyone who voted for Obama is a lazy freeloader. Never said that. But it's pretty safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.



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I'm calling bullshit.

I live in an extremely poor, very red part of Appalachia. 16% of my county lives in poverty. Our average salary here is $35,000. That's averaged. In a population of 49k people, 18k people are on food stamps. Nearly half. In a red county. Chances are good that 47% of them aren't paying taxes

But they're voting republican. Does that not make them lazy freeloaders? Because they voted republican? What qualifications are you using to determine who is lazy and entitled? I'd love to hear it.


But those people can't possibly be freeloaders because they are white and hate gay people. Only brown people are freeloaders. I bet there are more "ghetto queens" in the white trash trailer parks than in the Bronx projects, but nobody cares about that.
Lynlam is pure scum, as is the OP.




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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:13:22 PM
read my definition of "freeloader.".. I think I make it perfectly clear.. yes... people who scam the system ARE freeloaders... and I did make it clear that not ALL citizens on assistance ARE "freeloaders. did I call YOU or President Obama a name.. what would YOU call someone perfectly ABLE to work,,, but has not intention of working... do you think they don't exist?

Please.. enough is enough.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:20:51 PM

Not everyone who voted for Obama is a lazy freeloader. Never said that. But it's pretty safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.


I wish I could remember where I saw the stats the other day...the ones that showed the counties with the highest per capita recipients of food stamps in the country...the very same that overwhelmingly voted for Romney.

You're a piece of work.



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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:22:11 PM
The implication made was that if you're a "freeloader" you must have voted for Obama. That there's no way white republicans would "freeload".

My point is, if 2% of welfare recipients abide the system and my country goes red and is 95.2% white and nearly half of our population gets assistance, the odds are white, republican voters are the "freeloaders". That's simple math.

So, then what? What's being implied?


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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:28:52 PM

You spend the last few months 'not posting politics' after several Peas call you out for posting incorrect/not all details in your political posts. You said you weren't going to engage that way. Only to start posting political posts again right after the elections?

And your first political post is to call anyone who voted for Obama clueless?


This is sammel/oldpea's usual M.O. SSDD.




But it's pretty safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.

No...I'm pretty sure Skybar and Rainbow Scrapper voted for Romney.




I don't believe for a minute that the OP actually wanted a real discussion, but for her "serious" question, it's simple. In order to fix the budget, spending needs to be cut and everyone-and I do mean everyone, including corporations- needs to pay more in taxes. We also need some serious tax reform.



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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:32:06 PM

read my definition of "freeloader.".. I think I make it perfectly clear.. yes... people who scam the system ARE freeloaders... and I did make it clear that not ALL citizens on assistance ARE "freeloaders. did I call YOU or President Obama a name.. what would YOU call someone perfectly ABLE to work,,, but has not intention of working... do you think they don't exist?

Please.. enough is enough.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 1:33:46 PM

But it's pretty safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.
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No...I'm pretty sure Skybar and Rainbow Scrapper voted for Romney.

Classy. I don't understand why you had to take a pot shot as someone who hasn't even posted on this thread?


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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:35:53 PM
ITA with the OP, Lynlam & Skybar.

Totally. Agree.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:43:53 PM

I think I make it perfectly clear.. yes... people who scam the system ARE freeloaders..



Well ok then I guess if that is your definition of "freeloaders" then that would also include those of the "1%" who "scam the system" and not pay taxes..


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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:50:20 PM
I'm curious how much the average American, earning an amount which is considered to be less than 'the rich' gives to charity? How much do those who post on this forum give of your personal income to charitable organizations that are helping real people in need?

Because last I checked, the 'rich' that everyone hates give quite a large sum of their money away! And I'm not talking about earned income credit. I'm talking off the top, your expendable income given to fund the needs of someone else.

I wonder how we'd like it if all the rich just stopped giving to charity. I suppose if we keep on piling on the taxes that is a real possibility. Or, like Bill Gates had to finally let the Feds know if they didn't lay off of him, will just leave the country and take their companies and their jobs to another country.

When this country has a wealthy top end, we also are more successful as a nation. Most jobs come from the wealthy sector. Large corporations that offers thousands of jobs. It's realistic, we need wealthy people to prosper this nation.



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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:51:16 PM
my definition of scamming the system? Having more kids than you know you can even hope to afford. Taking unemployment when you could get a job. Living off benefits because people are giving them to you. That's scamming the system.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 2:56:30 PM
Middle and lower income people donate a higher percent of their income than do rich people.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 3:29:17 PM
Rich DO NOT create jobs

The rich create jobs is nothing but an urban myth.

The guy who wrote the attached article makes the arguement why the rich aren't the ones who create jobs. Don't who this guy is but what he says makes sense.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 4:19:55 PM

But it's pretty safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.


Its an even safer bet that that statement is pure and utter BS, as is most of what you post.







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Posted: 11/17/2012 4:59:32 PM

Not everyone who voted for Obama is a lazy freeloader. Never said that. But it's pretty safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.
I think you might be right.



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Posted: 11/17/2012 5:36:40 PM

But it's pretty safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.


ROTFLMAO! Yeah, in my own family, the only one who voted for Obama was me, the only one with a job. The two on government assistance? They voted for Romney. But keep telling yourself that Democrats just want free "gifts." I'll keep paying out the ass in taxes and be proud that my country can provide for ALL its citizens.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 5:44:10 PM

Yeah, in my own family, the only one who voted for Obama was me, the only one with a job.
Give me a break. You wanted the Obama phone and they didn't.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 6:21:03 PM
"Give me a break. You wanted the Obama phone and they didn't."

Bahahahahaha!
This make me laugh so loud my kids looked at me like I was crazy! I love funny tee shirts, I think the 'free Obama phone' would make a good one!


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Posted: 11/17/2012 6:25:56 PM
Ha ha ha. The two most vocal Romney supporters on my FB were, respectively, one person whose husband is on disability and whose family is on Medicaid and a second person is also on Medicaid, has a government-funded home health aid, and receives WIC. Status after status about how Democrats were government freeloaders and just want stuff.

I suppose we all see what we see.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 6:31:48 PM

I love funny tee shirts, I think the 'free Obama phone' would make a good one!


Yeah...

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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:12:43 PM
"The 47% got free gifts and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."



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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:31:48 PM

and complain that you are paying 15% on your capital gains while they paid up to 35% on their wages while working for you
OK that statement is just so unfounded and demands credible proof. Show me where rank and file employees such as you decribed in your example are paying 35% on their wages. You take a 15% rate on capital gains and try to convince people it compares to the "working people" paying 35%. If you are going to talk about federal income tax; then use that as the example. You cannot lump all the taxes paid (social security, medicare, state, local, property, and sales) into the "working persons" percentage and only the capital gains portion into what you consider the "rich" persons taxes. Odds are also that if you combined all the taxes I mentioned above, you would not get to 35% for the "working person". Stop with the statements that are completely false.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:40:13 PM

Don't who this guy is but what he says makes sense
You don't know who the guy is but what he says must be true. OK then.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:53:14 PM

But it's pretty safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.


NAY. My oldest sister, who earns minimum wage and relies on others to subsidize her standard of living is the biggest Romney supporter I know. As are many of my "taker" relatives. Some of the wealthiest people I know voted for President Obama, and that includes someone who is a millionaire many times over, doctors, lawyers and other VERY, VERY bright people.

But WHATEVS!


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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:23:46 PM

Give me a break. You wanted the Obama phone and they didn't.


Shhhh, Juanita, you weren't supposed to tell anyone that. Yep, the free Obama phone. I mean, why else vote for the guy?


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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:19:05 PM
*sits next to gerryglow & mochasmom*

The sad fact is that class warfare is an extremely good tactic to get us to fight each other so we don't notice the government spends so much more than people can comprehend, that if they raised the tax rates to 100% on the top 2% of earners, it still wouldn't come close to paying for one year of spendIng at the current level and rate.

The thing most people don't understand is that we're talking about the federal government. If you add up the non-funded state liabilities, then you are safe to at least double that.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:20:24 PM
I voted for Obama. Where's my free phone?

And adding my anecdotal evidence- I have two friends who are poor and rely on government assistance who are very vocal that they didn't vote for Obama, and that we're going to be experiencing the end of the world.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:36:15 PM
You should be happy when Republicans are on public assistance, as that is a huge part of the Democrat platform -- don't understand why people are upset over it or Democrats think that is a bad thing. It is what Democrats worked on for decades -- that is what a democracy is, not a Republic.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:38:49 PM

Thank you, Hendrsn, this bears repeating. I don't where people pick up a bogus stat like 'defense spending is over 60%'. I doubt it ever has been in my lifetime. Yet I saw this claim thrown about on the board during the campaign, and have yet to figure out where that kind of bizarre statistic comes from. I guess if you say something often enough, people who don't want to look stuff up for themselves will believe it.

Entitlement spending is around 60%, but that's probably not the point she intended to make, since she thinks that welfare and healthcare spending (included under the heading of entitlements) are "miniscule"


National Security $754 Billion 64%

ETA: Original link Wallstats.com
2011=64%

Still looks pretty black and white to me.





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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:00:04 PM
It may be helpful for one to state which "budget" they are referring to when discussing percentages. For example; the percentage claimed for the national security budget is from the Federal Discretionary Budget not the total federal budget. If one were to take the amount claimed in one section of the "image from amazon" it claims that national security is 1.242 trillion dollars for 2012. It one were to use that dollar amount to find the percentage of the federal outlay for 2012 which they are saying is 3.699 trillion; you can see it is not 64%.

One other little flaw with this oh so reputable chart - in one section they are saying that National security outlay is 881 billion and non-national security is 468 billion (1.349 trillion). In another section they are saying that national security is 754 billion and non-national security is 488 billion (1.242 trillion). So which numbers is one to believe. Leads one to further question the credibility of the graph.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 1:22:51 AM

You wanted the Obama phone and they didn't.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 7:28:24 AM
You should be happy when Republicans are on public assistance, as that is a huge part of the Democrat platform -- don't understand why people are upset over it or Democrats think that is a bad thing. It is what Democrats worked on for decades -- that is what a democracy is, not a Republic.

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Except for that tiny, minor hypocrisy about taking aid they're bitching about others getting.

Also? The rich are less charitable than the middle class.

http://m.cnbc.com//id/48725147/The_Rich_Are_Less_Charitable_Than_the_Middle_Class_Study

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/08/21/rich-people-charitable-giving_n_1819142.html

So, yeah.


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Posted: 11/18/2012 7:44:10 AM

Not everyone who voted for Obama is a lazy freeloader. Never said that. But it's pretty safe to bet that eveyone who is a lazy freeloader voted for Obama.


No, really, you are absolutely WRONG about that. People vote certain ways for a variety of reasons. I know, personally, of a few people who vote conservatively who are freeloaders.

A freeloading racist will likely vote for the guy who isn't the "Kenyan Muslim." Just for example...



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Posted: 11/18/2012 7:52:21 AM

Well first of all if the 1% had created enough jobs with all their profits like the "trickle down" theory was supposed to have done, instead of hoarding that cash, while still screaming how unfair the tax code was, most of these people would HAVE jobs, and wouldn't be on welfare or food stamps to begin with.


Spoken like a true non-job creator. I have a buttload of cash in my business account because I have no freaking idea where the next slap up the head is coming from. Without that cash, I could be out of business in 24 hours thanks to a new tax, a new regulation, a fine for God knows what.

Hire someone when it could suddenly cost me more than I have in the bank just for that person's taxes?

Nope.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:00:36 AM
to address this again: "rich people don't create jobs".

Really? So the doctors I know who hire support staff at their clinic don't create jobs? A family friend, who is "rich" and owns a tooling company, doesn't create jobs when he hires machinists? Or take the restraunt owners, they don't create jobs when they hire staff?

I don't create jobs, but they sure as hell do. And when they have to consider $$$$ more for insurance mandates, sick leave, higher costs of heating, food, etc, they think twice about creating jobs.


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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:15:27 AM

Except for that tiny, minor hypocrisy about taking aid they're bitching about others getting.


I still don't see the problem here, or what exactly you are complaining about.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:59:58 AM

Really? So the doctors I know who hire support staff at their clinic don't create jobs? A family friend, who is "rich" and owns a tooling company, doesn't create jobs when he hires machinists? Or take the restraunt owners, they don't create jobs when they hire staff?


Absolutely they start a business. However, if the public doesn't have the money to pay for the business's goods and services, then will those jobs remain or will the business close down?

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Posted: 11/18/2012 9:18:27 AM

You should be happy when Republicans are on public assistance, as that is a huge part of the Democrat platform -- don't understand why people are upset over it or Democrats think that is a bad thing. It is what Democrats worked on for decades -- that is what a democracy is, not a Republic.


What argument do you think you are responding to? A few posters said all "government freeloaders" vote Democrat. A few posters responded, no, many "government freeloaders" vote Republican.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 1:03:48 PM

Thank you, Hendrsn, this bears repeating. I don't where people pick up a bogus stat like 'defense spending is over 60%'. I doubt it ever has been in my lifetime. Yet I saw this claim thrown about on the board during the campaign, and have yet to figure out where that kind of bizarre statistic comes from. I guess if you say something often enough, people who don't want to look stuff up for themselves will believe it.

Entitlement spending is around 60%, but that's probably not the point she intended to make, since she thinks that welfare and healthcare spending (included under the heading of entitlements) are "miniscule"
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National Security $754 Billion 64%

ETA: Original link Wallstats.com
2011=64%

Still looks pretty black and white to me.

That's because you are not looking at the entire budget. You are only looking at the Discretionary Budget which is only $1.242 trillion out of a $3.7 trillion budget. There are two parts to the budget, discretionary and mandatory spending, mandatory spending is already fixed, and discretionary changes each year.


If you look at the actual entire budget, defense spending is $716.3 million, which is 18.5% of the budget. And depending on what you define as 'entitlements', that spending is 47% to 56% of the budget.


It's wrong to claim that defense is even close to that number when it's the entitlement spending that is closer to 60% of the budget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_federal_budget

ETA: More than Half of All Federal Spending Will Be on Entitlement Programs in 2012

Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security - along with other entitlements such as food stamps, unemployment, and housing assistance - make up 62 percent of all federal spending. In contrast, spending on foreign aid represents about 1 percent.


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Global warming brings prosperity, population growth, and relatively good health, as disasters go, it's the one we should pray for.
What is the worst that could happen? 1. It might end. 2. The ice caps might melt entirely.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 1:10:51 PM
+1 gerryglow


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Posted: 11/18/2012 1:24:03 PM

One other little flaw with this oh so reputable chart - in one section they are saying that National security outlay is 881 billion and non-national security is 468 billion (1.349 trillion). In another section they are saying that national security is 754 billion and non-national security is 488 billion (1.242 trillion). So which numbers is one to believe. Leads one to further question the credibility of the graph.

The chart is correct in the figures, but the problem is that it's the discretionary budget, which is only one third (1/3) of the entire budget.

This is not the house payment and utilities part of a family budget which is fixed (and doesn't change very much) , but more like the money you would get from a bonus or would have to be spent in an emergency, it is not fixed and it changes every year.

If people are thinking that this is the entire amount that the federal government spends each year, no wonder we are in such a mess.

This is appalling to me that people have this idea that defense spending is so much when in reality it's not even one fifth of the budget. And when the Constitution is very firm on the fact that the federal government is here for defense of the nation, 1/5 of a budget doesn't even match.



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Before voting, read Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy

Global warming brings prosperity, population growth, and relatively good health, as disasters go, it's the one we should pray for.
What is the worst that could happen? 1. It might end. 2. The ice caps might melt entirely.
But the True Believers would have us plunge ourselves into global poverty by breaking down the great world economic system in order to prevent a "disaster" that people in 1500 would have prayed for.

There are actual disasters that deserve far more of our time and attention.



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