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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:19:17 AM
So I go to Church Sunday and our Minister has a sermon about Jews and how we need to witness to them and save them from their beliefs about Christ.

I walked about half way through the sermon. Man, sometimes I HATE small southern towns I mean I know our crime rate is low but I do not want to hear that kind of shit!!

Am I the only Christian who thinks we might want to be really nice to Jewish people why ? because they might be directly related to Christ I mean how bad would that be to be mean or try to save Christ 42nd cousin by marriage you know?

Gosh I'm been yelling at my DH about this and I'm going to change Churches.

WTH? Anyone else ever had a minister with that kind of nerve?

If I have offended anyone I'm sorry but I am mad.. still.

Well folks I called my preacher and he told me that witnessing was important part of being a Christians and that the more Jewish people we could convert the better because God really wants to have his chosen ones in heaven but can't if they can't find Christ.
I told him.
"I'm done, I won't be coming back."
He didn't seem to care.

Some friends from Church called only one feels the same as I do but isn't willing to change Churches. ( She has been going there since she was little)

I didn't go to any Church today. I should have visited new churches but I am just too sad. I miss my friends. I feel like they think I have done something wrong but I know in my heart that I am not doing anything wrong. You know how sometimes you just KNOW? Any how there it is.


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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:21:01 AM
Thank you for being angry about it.

We've heard. We're not interested. We've got our own stuff and it's really cool. If we go to hell, it's ok. We'll all be there together roasting Hebrew National hot dogs.


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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:22:01 AM
You know, I'm methodist, (very laid back methodist, that is ) and I wish some churches would stop putting so much effort into denouncing others. Can't they just teach their own lessons and beliefs, without all the finger pointing? meh. blech!

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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:34:12 AM
Dalayney, I could not agree more. In my synagogue, I have never heard a word about what we should be doing to recruit, convert, etc. We just don't do that. We learn about what we should be doing to treat others well, to improve ourselves, to better the world.

I understand that they think they'd be 'saving' us and doing us a favor. But from the flipside it is aggravating, insulting and demeaning. Could you imagine the outrage if Muslims witnessed to Christians?


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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:53:35 AM

Could you imagine the outrage if Muslims witnessed to Christians?
Talk about a double standard .


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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:56:13 AM
That is just disgusting. Why can't religions leave other religions alone? Look we all have heard about your beliefs, we just have chosen differently. Leave them alone. And I really think god would not approve. But what do I know?



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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:58:08 AM
When I still attended church, our pastor made a point to tell us not to "go after" those who were already attending church or synagogue. He would rather us focus on those who have no religious affiliation and who may be interested. I respected him for that, because other churches I had attended seemed to target people from other faiths big-time.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:13:36 AM
Thanks for walking out. As Batya said, we are good with what we have, and it has been working for us for a long, long time.


Am I the only Christian who thinks we might want to be really nice to Jewish people why ? because they might be directly related to Christ I mean how bad would that be to be mean or try to save Christ 42nd cousin by marriage you know?


Actually, you might want to be really nice to us because it's the right thing to do and because lots of us are pretty fun and good to be around, not because of our possible relationship to your religion.



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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:15:57 AM
They might have an easier time of converting gays to straight than jews to christianity...

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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:18:35 AM
Yes I've had it happen and here in MD. I left midway through the sermon. Never went back except to meet with the pastor to share how I felt. He lost several families because if his message.


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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:22:12 AM

I have never heard a word about what we should be doing to recruit, convert, etc. We just don't do that.

that's because you aren't a Christian


Look we all have heard about your beliefs, we just have chosen differently. Leave them alone. And I really think god would not approve. But what do I know?

'god' might not, but God does. It's His command to His followers.


Can't they just teach their own lessons and beliefs

That's exactly what they ARE doing.

If you call yourself a Christian and your 'church' isn't teaching you that, you do need to find a new church.





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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:28:33 AM

Thank you for being angry about it.

We've heard. We're not interested. We've got our own stuff and it's really cool. If we go to hell, it's ok. We'll all be there together roasting Hebrew National hot dogs.

Ditto that, and what Shosh said, too.

Thank you for respecting our beliefs enough to leave us to them.


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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:30:02 AM
Here's something that may make you feel better.
I was speaking to my Muslim friend the other day. He told me that he and his family attended an event where Muslims, Jews and Christians celebrated with each other, even having a chuckle over their variation in belief.


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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:33:01 AM
I am a Jew and I would appreciate people walking out of such sermons,but in reality we have no control over what people do..other than ourselves.
I really don't understand why people would want to witness to people of my religion.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:37:54 AM

If we go to hell, it's ok. We'll all be there together roasting Hebrew National hot dogs.

And that would be a great weinee roast because those are superior hot dogs.



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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:41:12 AM

Actually, you might want to be really nice to us because it's the right thing to do and because lots of us are pretty fun and good to be around, not because of our possible relationship to your religion.


I'm nice to everyone, in fact I have never quizzed someone who would be a potential friend about their religion. I was really kind of being a smart ass. Sorry if I offended...

I feel like I should have said something more then just giving him my back. I might go and explain to him why I am leaving "the fold" .
I am having a hard time even talking to my friends from church that were there and didn't walk out.

I know that I shouldn't Judge them but I keep thinking why would I have friends that can sit and listen to that kind of bigotry... the whole thing is really upsetting.


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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:47:05 AM
Nthe end of my time at my parent's Traditional Catholic Church (Society of St Pius X), right before going off to college and never coming back, I heard weekly sermons that all single mothers, gays, and non Catholics were going to hell.

So they didn't even tell us to convert them, just that they were going to hell.


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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:59:56 AM
I don't know about the Society of St. Pius Catholic Church but do know that the Roman Catholic Church will not say weather or not anyone has gone to hell. This is because of our belief that yes, God is just but he is also merciful.

It's so sad when people judge others.

We are also called to evangelize...to people of all faiths. This doesn't have to be done by telling others their religion is wrong - you can live your life as God wants you to and let others learn by your example. We do believe that as Catholics we have the full richness of God's Church on earth and that is a hard thing to not want to share with others.



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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:05:11 AM
^ ITA with Skybar.

If only the Jews would figure out their OWN religion, perhaps the REST OF US could get on with ours. jeeez.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:06:17 AM


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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:17:47 AM

You know, I'm methodist, (very laid back methodist, that is ) and I wish some churches would stop putting so much effort into denouncing others. Can't they just teach their own lessons and beliefs, without all the finger pointing? meh. blech!


I'm Methodist as well...and I travel 45 minutes each way to attend a church simply because our pastor is A-MA-ZING!

He does a series of sermons every year called Christianity and World Religion. In this series, he talks about several different religions and rather that addressing the issues that divide us in them, he addresses the issues that unite us.

It's one of my favorite series' and I learn something new every time I hear it.

Even my husband, who is atheist, enjoys listening to his sermons because they are so, according to him, 'inclusive' and accepting of thoughts different from his own.




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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:29:39 AM

^ ITA with Skybar.

If only the Jews would figure out their OWN religion, perhaps the REST OF US could get on with ours. jeeez.



You forgot to mention how equally confused other Christians are.

Oh wait.......they aren't Christian unless Skybar anoints them as such.


Well Peas, I believe this thread has gone Thrusday.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:45:14 AM
I am a Catholic, I am Christian. My favorite pastor, who passed just a few years ago, considered an expert in theology, taught at the seminary. He believed in fellowship between Christians and Jews and once a year a Rabbi friend of his would visit our church for Sunday services along with those from the synagogue who wished to attend. And once a year Monsignor and some from our parish would attend Shabbat services.

DS attended preschool at that synagogue. It was a wonderful experience for him. The first prayer he learned was in Hebrew.

I think there is more to be celebrated in our respective religious beliefs that can bring us together rather than separate us. You just have to have an open mind and an open heart.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:58:04 AM
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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:00:14 PM
I don't even go to church anymore. I was taught that anyone who was not of my particular religion (Catholic) would go to hell - not just Jews and Muslims but other Christian denominations!! We weren't encouraged to try to convert others, though. I hope this was our priest and not the church as a whole, but I'm not interested enough to find out. I haven't set foot into that church (other than for the occasional wedding or funeral) since the day I left my parents' home at age 18. I don't share their narrow minded beliefs and I didn't want to be part of it.

Good for you for being outraged about this and not accepting the preaching of your Minister at face value.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:01:08 PM
I think in everything we tend to point out our differences instead of celebrating our similarities. Instead of trying "save" someone why not celebrate that whether you're Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Hindi, etc you are holding yourself to a set of values that are for the good of yourself and others.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:46:41 PM
Can I just say that being a lapsed Lutheran I'm sure there are those that think I'm damned to hell for all eternity. If that's the case, I hope I go to the section with Batya, mamashosh, et. al. so I can enjoy those tasty Hebrew National hot dogs - they are the BEST!


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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:59:23 PM
I think that "saving" anyone is equally offensive to "saving" Jewish people.






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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:15:17 PM
I would have been furious. And I would have left. I HATE HATE HATE when the Church decides to preach at me about things they believe are "right".

The day my daughter was being baptized, we had a young priest guesting at mass. He spent 45 minutes lecturing us about how there aren't really pedophiles in the church, and how we all need to be a little more tolerant of the priests who have been accused and blah blah blah. There are not enough words to describe how upset I was by the end of the mass. The only reason we did not get up and leave part way through was because my kid was going to be baptized, and we had family in from several states, who would be able to come back easily (including the Godparents). My dad had to go and take a short walk between the mass and the baptism because he didn't want to say anything during the service.



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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:56:06 PM
Good for you! I would hope that I would do the same thing if I were in your place.

I guess you'd call me a lapsed Catholic. I've kind of been put off of organized religion as a whole. However, I went to Mass as a kid, went to Catholic school for a number of years, and raised my kids as Catholics and have never been asked to evangelize/witness/convert anybody nor have heard any priests of all the parishes I've been a member of condemn non-Catholics to hell.

I am sometimes embarrassed at the pushiness and seemingly superiority of some Christians.




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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:58:58 PM

I have never heard a word about what we should be doing to recruit, convert, etc. We just don't do that.

that's because you aren't a Christian



Thank you, Sherlock. THAT is my point. We have an 'evolved' belief system (I know the word religion rankles, you, Skybar) where we know that people come to be where they belong if it's truly meant to be and we lead by the example of how we live our lives. Word choice deliberate.

Ashley, ITA. No one needs 'saving.' It's demeaning to people of all faiths and lack thereof.

If these recruiters are the ones who will be in heaven, hell sounds better.



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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:07:06 PM

If you call yourself a Christian and your 'church' isn't teaching you that, you do need to find a new church.



Sorry Skybar, but this CHRISTIAN disagrees. You don't have the right to tell me, or anyone else that believes in God, that I am worthy of the title christian or not.

It's all about interpretation Sky. We can hash out verses till we're blue in the face, but it won't get us anywhere but chasing our tails.

I have had countless discussions with pastors who firmly believe, just living a good honest life, helping others when you can, etc... is living in God's way. We don't HAVE TO knock door to door, or jam anything down anyones throat. God doesn't say that. (again, my interpretation) Living by his principles, praising him and doing good for others is an example to others. You can do all that w/out preaching anything. But you are also not to deny him. And most any christian I know is proud to believe and be loved and saved.

To me it's so simple. A friend of ours is a youth pastor. The man is amazing! He has swarms of kids that are discovering God and Jesus through him. How? Not by pushing. Nope, not at all. He lets them come to him. He provides them a shoulder to lean on, and to listen to them. Before he even speaks a word about God/Jesus. He is a man they can count on and feel safe with before one word of the bible is ever spoken. He truley wants to help the youth in our nation. He doesn't do it just to gain christians, he is a true soul.

He asks them politely if they want to join a bible study night, or a simple prayer, and if not? No worries. But he says, after so long, their interest is peaked, and then THEY COME TO HIM, to learn about God. And only when a person makes the effort on their own, do they truley open up their hearts, put down their defenses, and are willing to find out more.

That's the beauty of it all.

Adding: Also, learning about God does not mean these kids are going to become christians or accept. He realizes that. But just to get the dialogue going and these kids wanting to talk about it... it's a powerful beautiful thing.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:20:58 PM
Punchprincess this is good news - there is always common ground

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Posted: 11/20/2012 2:45:42 PM
I have never heard any reference to another religion or denomination in a Catholic homily that wasn't positive (ie - 'as the great Luthern theologian Bonhoeffer wrote') or really, really general (ie - 'all the great religions teach we should be nice to people').

The only times that Jews or Jewish history is discussed is super positive and telling us how important it is for us to learn and understand and deeply respect Judaism.

I joke that it's because our church has 2,000 years of history and theology to teach, we don't have time to get off topic.

I have been a guest at other churches and been shocked to hear sermons that focused more on saying what they don't believe instead of what they do. It seems to me to be backwards... to lack confidence in your own beliefs so you resort to attacking others.

I will say that there have been vague exhortations to be evangelists. Usually more in the 'preach the Gospel always, when necessary use words' sense that we should be living Christ like lives and therefore being good examples of Christianity. Never have I been called to 'witness' to others directly or somehow 'save' them.

I generally figure that the Jews are covered with their own covenant and in the end it's up to the Holy Spirit to save others. I should just work on my own soul (Lord knows, that should keep me busy for a lifetime).


PS - I attend a very conservative Catholic parish (I know, you are all shocked). I do think that SSPX is schismatic and not really representative of Catholicism. Part of the problem is that they teach things like fredfreddy heard.




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Posted: 11/20/2012 3:02:27 PM

I was speaking to my Muslim friend the other day. He told me that he and his family attended an event where Muslims, Jews and Christians celebrated with each other, even having a chuckle over their variation in belief.


They have services like that often over here - multi faith friendship we call it.

I am guilty of not answering the door any more though when I see smartly dressed young men in suits with a different accent coming along the road. They obviously think we all need saving in the UK as they visit often even though I have told them many a time that I am a confirmed Christian, they don't seem to believe me as they insist on calling again and attempt to tell me their version !!!!

I don't feel that I have the right to save or convert anyone.I can't ever remember having a sermon covering that in our church.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 3:05:25 PM
I don't know about the rest of you Jews, but I'm just holding out, waiting to sell out to the highest bidder. A toaster oven isn't nearly enough reason to convert. Now, someone who might get a blue and white Cadillac...that is a person for whom I will convert. Why make it about my core beliefs and level of INTELLIGENCE?

I hate being recruited. If I want to join your religion I'll let you know. Don't call us. We'll call you!


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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:43:33 PM

If only the Jews would figure out their OWN religion, perhaps the REST OF US could get on with ours. jeeez.
WTF? Is this supposed to be snark or are you really saying this???


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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:46:20 PM

If only the Jews would figure out their OWN religion, perhaps the REST OF US could get on with ours. jeeez.
WTF? Is this supposed to be snark or are you really saying this???


Snark.


Well Peas, I believe this thread has gone Thrusday.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:53:48 PM

Snark.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 7:06:55 PM

Could you imagine the outrage if Muslims witnessed to Christians?
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Talk about a double standard .


No shit. The most "witnessing" I ever heard from a religion other than the born agains was when my Muslim friend told me the word "Islam" means "love." She's got a lotta nerve, that girl!




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Posted: 11/20/2012 7:38:16 PM
I hate that crap. Don't hate the Jews!

When I was about 15 I attended a Baptist church in my hometown. One weekend my Catholic BFF invited me to go to church with her. I'd never been to a Catholic service so I went.
The next Sunday, my Sunday School teacher asked where I had been the week before and I told her. I then got a 20 minute lecture on why I shouldn't go to a church of another faith and how Catholics won't go to Heaven because they pray through Mary and don't accept God as their personal savior.
I stopped going to that church a few weeks later. All the years I went to this church and the only thing I remember about it is that my SS teacher basically told me my best friend wouldn't go to Heaven.




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Posted: 11/20/2012 8:15:59 PM
Mapchic, you are representative of pretty much every gentile I encounter.

Of course, the rare exceptions are the ones that everyone gets all in a huff about.

Jews shouldn't worry about Christians. We should worry about secularism, atheism, freaky New Age religions seeking out Jews for members, etc. -- those are the greatest threats to Jewry.

Obviously, this minister has no idea about world demographics and we Jews are a very tiny slice.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 8:33:10 PM


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Posted: 11/20/2012 8:44:56 PM

We should worry about secularism, atheism


Jews need to worry about recruitment by secularists and atheists? You sound like Bill O'Reilly. Why do I have to worry about them? They just want to be accepted and not marginalized. Do you realize that most Americans would rather vote in criminals than atheists? And you think we have to worry about atheists? They just want to be left alone FFS.


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Posted: 11/20/2012 8:45:01 PM
I've been to, and walked out of several churches, who claim to be the "only" one who is going to heaven, so I quit going. I thought that going to church was supposed to be an uplifting time, leaving me feeling glory of God after being there, if it's not, it's not worth my time.

I can leave from there, and go spend my time really helping someone, instead of trying to drag someone out of their own beliefs, while making us both miserable. Why do people find it so hard just to be kind to each other IRL?


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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:02:36 PM
Ugh, so tired of hearing about how freaking worrisome we atheists are.






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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:23:41 PM
I flew into Wisconsin once. I was met at the airport with a crowd of nutters all telling me I was going to burn in hell for being foreign and only their religion could save me.

The funniest was the LDS man spitting while he talked about talked about me getting burned up in the second coming.

I later flew into California where there was a young Jewish man handing out pamphlets telling me I was going to burn if I didn't convert to Judaism.

I have been around the world several times. Only place I ever experienced this type of incessant hate speak from religions.

Has anyone tried preaching about heaven?

Yes this is a hand smack.

I even visited several American churches. No thanks.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:30:11 PM
I would have been walking out right beside you.

Oh, and I'll have chili, cheese and slaw on my Hebrew National hot dog.


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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:40:07 PM
A similar sermon to that one was what pushed me out of my church and onto the road to agnosticism. (With some other sermons against feminists, gays and Muslims thrown in for good measure.) I'm sorry you are struggling with your church home right now



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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:42:54 PM
Can I have a hot dog too please?


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