Jake on 2 1/2 Men....he's now telling us to stop watching

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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:16:09 AM
The lovers of the show are still around, according to the ratings. I believe it's still the #1 comedy.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:19:02 AM

So you are telling me that Avidly following a nutter that posts things like this is perfectly rational? Ok then.
Wow. Get a load of that guy. Bad news.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:19:23 AM
I watched the first 9 minutes of the video. I didn't see anything nutty about his words or behavior.

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Posted: 11/27/2012 11:16:42 AM

For those salivating at the "hypocrisy" of him taking a paycheck for the show - how do you know how he is handling his money? he may be signing it over to the church or some charity. Does he have to shout that from the rooftops to be acceptable?


So what you're saying is it's ok to be a participant in creating filth if the $ goes somewhere deemed acceptable.

As in, it's ok to sell drugs if the $ goes to charity? Or it's ok to make porn if the money goes to feed the poor? What you're saying is, I can do something I tell my kids is immoral as long as the money goes somewhere you find to be charitable? B/c he is equating this show with filth. And I know you will pounce on the legality element of the drug selling or the fact that this show isn't as bad as porn in your opinion but lets face it, they are both against morals, so the analogy stands.

I am not a born again anything. But I would never manipulate anything to give dirty money to help people. Even you know this is a bad argument.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 11:46:27 AM

So you are telling me that Avidly following a nutter that posts things like this is perfectly rational? Ok then.
Wow. Get a load of that guy. Bad news.


Yep. You don't even have to watch the videos to get a sense of this guy.
He has quite an obsession with bthe freemasons wanting in enstate the NWO.
I also noticed this guy has quite an interview with a guy named Leo Zagami. Do a google of that name. That guy has made quite a name for himself. None of it rational.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 11:47:53 AM
He says "he wanted to go to a black church."

He actually says a lot...without saying anything. A lot of "likes" "you know" and some stuttering. Maybe he was nervous for the interview?

According to the examiner, his family is worried he's joined a cult. Could be true concern or worry about their meal ticket. I honestly don't know much about his parents.



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Posted: 11/27/2012 12:23:50 PM
I heard this piece on the radio this morning. Interesting. He had made a LOT of money off of that show. They said he got a $500,000 signing bonus at each contract, and $300,000 per episode! Wow. Interesting.

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Posted: 11/27/2012 12:48:45 PM

He had made a LOT of money off of that show. They said he got a $500,000 signing bonus at each contract, and $300,000 per episode! Wow. Interesting.

why is it so interesting? Is it a lot different than others on that show or shows like it?

others don't get a bonus or make a lot of money?




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Posted: 11/27/2012 12:59:01 PM

I hope his faith is genuine, and orthodox, and not a cult, and he is healthy, and can make changes in his life quickly that will put his lifestyle in alignment with his faith, and that he will find support for the moral choices that he clearly does not have from family.


I think that is a good wish for anyone!



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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:03:41 PM

He had made a LOT of money off of that show. They said he got a $500,000 signing bonus at each contract, and $300,000 per episode! Wow. Interesting.

why is it so interesting? Is it a lot different than others on that show or shows like it?

others don't get a bonus or make a lot of money?


Skybar, read the whole paragraph and do the math. That is a lot of money for a potential con artist or crazy charismatic individual to get his hands on, by preying upon this kid's search for faith.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:10:16 PM
I'm not swiping your faith. I'm swiping at him and his manipulation of your faith. Personally I think defending him makes those of you who do live your faith well, look bad and that's a shame.

I didn't twist your words. They are there for everyone to see.

I think everyone of every faith or those without who preach a moral high-ground should live what they preach. He doesn't. Then own it.

You do and I do. And that's what I expect of him. Especially since he is being so vocal about it. You defended what he was saying when you told the people who said he was being hypocritical that perhaps he was using the money for a greater purpose. Your implication was that this is ok. It's morally corrupt.

He is making people of your faith look bad. If a Jew did that, I wouldn't defend it b/c it would reflect badly on me. I would want to disassociate from it.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:36:28 PM

I asked if that would make it acceptable to them, since that seemed to be the sticking point. That's it. No defense. No opinion that such an action would make him "okay" to keep doing the show.
He renegotiated his contract 6 months ago. That was the time for him to walk away and, really, any minute since then. It would cost him to break his contract but he's got to decide whether his priority is his faith or his pocketbook. And it appears that he's made that decision, opting instead to work on a show that he sees as 'evil'. Would it make it acceptable if he didn't take a paycheque? No, not acceptable per se, but I would make him appear a little less hypocritical.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:37:56 PM
If he truly believes this, then being an out of work actor is not that big of a deal. When your faith is that large and important, you make sacrifices. In any faith. He doesn't want to sacrifice. He seems like the typical new extreme convert (in any religion) who is all wound up about it, knows better than everyone else, talks the talk and then falls flat. B/c it's easy to talk. But to act? To take a hit in the pocketbook? That's not easy. And sometimes faith is not easy.

At least Kirk Cameron seems to live what he preaches. Whether we agree with him or not, that is commendable.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:52:19 PM
I was referring to his co-star John Cryer in my last post, who has not had a public outcry against his own show unlike CS and Angus.

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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:56:28 PM

The lovers of the show are still around, according to the ratings. I believe it's still the #1 comedy.


Actually The Big Bang Theory has been beating it for a while now. But it's probably 2nd or 3rd. And that's really all I have to add to this discussion. I don't watch 2.5 Men and I don't care what the stars do with their "ill gotten gains." I do have a hard time reading Angus as a name and not thinking about beef though.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:00:46 PM
Or, Nightowl, we can hold him to the same standard we hold other 19 y/o ADULTS who did not profess a faith in Christ who make mistakes and expect them to stay true to their word and take responsibility for their mistakes.

If he is expecting people to take a moral high ground, we should at least hold him to that same standard. Doing anything less is not doing him any favors. As an adult. Who has made a very adult decision. Both to profess such faith AND to speak out so publicly about it.

We can have sympathy. And still hold him to a high standard where hopefully he will rise to that standard rather than cop to that lower denominator he is at right now. I question whether you would have such sympathy for a 19 y/o who spewed nonsense about anything else with which you couldn't personally empathize and whom did not profess your faith. Be honest. THAT is why you are taking up for him. Not just b/c he is young and didn't think through his actions. We have dozens of threads a year about that and you come down on them for not thinking. You are the arbiter of moral authority here. (As am I!) Until now.




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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:05:49 PM

We can have sympathy.
I'm saving my sympathy for the 19-year-old living on the street, not the one making $360K/week.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:06:20 PM

He's obviously a changed person, for whatever reason.

why do you think so? Have you seen him on a talk show (out of his role) or something and he's different on the video than on the show?

i've seen some actors on talk shows who can barely put a sentence together yet do fine when they are acting.


Continuing to cash those checks is still disingenuous to me,
if he is so opposed to the content NOW.
Poor me, I have to continue my contract and earn the money
I recently negotiated ... not ringing true, if he is SO morally opposed
to being on the show.

Why? Many on here say they are Christian but are fine with bad language, porn etc. That's ok with most of you.

IF he is a new Christian that doesn't mean he's been able to work thru everything overnight. It takes longer for some than others. It took me 6 months or so for some things, longer for others. Some lose the desire for booze, drugs etc instantly - some don't.

It does sound like his situation will need some guidance from lawyers and others. OTOH, many here are making comments about what he does with his money and unless you personally know him and his finances - you don't really know anything about it.


I also find it odd that he was talking about himself while not
looking at the camera directly, and then he switched to looking into
the camera for the commentary about the show.

Why? Talking about his personal, inside changes would be much different than talking about a show he's been on for yrs, identified with for yrs - his job.

Why do so many of you attack him because he is taking money for his job? Which you agree is against what he says he now believes, YET you think it's A-OK for those who believe abortion and/or bc is wrong to be FORCED to pay for either/both of those for others! Something they don't believe in and don't take part in but they should fork over the money for others to take part in it. I guess as long as you are on the receiving end of it, you think it is ok.

I think he mentioned SDA. I have some close friends who are SDA. They have some teachings from someone named Ellen White (I think that's her name) they follow. I don't know much about it. My friends do observe Sabbath from late Friday til late Saturday. They do consider Sat. the Sabbath. I don't have a problem with that. I think it's Paul (in the NT) who teaches that we are no longer bound by restrictions on what we eat or the day we worship. My friends are in PR now but when they get back I'll have to ask them more about it.

Members of SDA say they are Christians - amazing that so many of you are saying he must be in a cult. My how easily the table turns.

I 'spect we have some peas who are SDA.





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Franklin wrote April 17, 1787:

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

Benjamin Franklin wrote his epitaph:

"THE BODY of BENJAMIN FRANKLIN - Printer. Like the cover of an old book, Its contents torn out, And stripped of its lettering and gilding, Lies here, food for worms; Yet the work itself shall not be lost, For it will (as he believed) appear once more, In a new, And more beautiful edition, Corrected and amended By The AUTHOR."

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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:23:20 PM
I find it shocking that you don't see yourself that way on this board. I really do. I'd be surprised if I was the only one.

I think you don't see in your posts what I see. That's all I can say.

I'm with Dalai Mama. I don't have a lot of sympathy for a pompous kid rolling in the dough. I just don't.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:44:06 PM

And now with that last sentence in the quote it seems you are inviting other board members to validate your opinion and pile on.
Except it's not a bad thing. As batya said, she's the same way, as are a number of other people on this board all of which I have mad respect for.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:55:29 PM

I think he mentioned SDA. I have some close friends who are SDA. They have some teachings from someone named Ellen White (I think that's her name) they follow. I don't know much about it. My friends do observe Sabbath from late Friday til late Saturday. They do consider Sat. the Sabbath. I don't have a problem with that. I think it's Paul (in the NT) who teaches that we are no longer bound by restrictions on what we eat or the day we worship. My friends are in PR now but when they get back I'll have to ask them more about it.

Members of SDA say they are Christians - amazing that so many of you are saying he must be in a cult. My how easily the table turns.


There are a LOT of SDA in my area and they don't obsess in a flurry of conspiracy theories and associations regarding Freemasons, the Illuminati and the NWO like this kid's new buddy.
To me, it's not the SDAs that are the issue. It's the influence of the guy influence of Forerunner as a spiritual "pal" that is the problem.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 8:34:37 PM
Back pedaling party of 1

Angust T Jones Breaks Silence



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Posted: 11/27/2012 8:52:44 PM

I have been the subject of much discussion, speculation and commentary over the past 24 hours. While I cannot address everything that has been said or right every misstatement or misunderstanding, there is one thing I want to make clear.

Without qualification, I am grateful to and have the highest regard and respect for all of the wonderful people on Two and Half Men with whom I have worked over the past ten years and who have become an extension of my family.

Chuck Lorre, Peter Roth and many others at Warner Bros. and CBS are responsible for what has been one of the most significant experiences in my life to date. I thank them for the opportunity they have given and continue to give me and the help and guidance I have and expect to continue to receive from them.

I also want all of the crew and cast on our show to know how much I personally care for them and appreciate their support, guidance and love over the years. I grew up around them and know that the time they spent with me was in many instances more than with their own families. I learned life lessons from so many of them and will never forget how much positive impact they have had on my life.

I apologize if my remarks reflect me showing indifference to and disrespect of my colleagues and a lack of appreciation of the extraordinary opportunity of which I have been blessed. I never intended that.




Well..at least he apologized. Luckily he's made tons of dough, because he'll probably have difficulty finding more work.

But then again Charlie Sheen is still working, so who knows. Hollywood is so weird.



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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:00:15 PM
Back pedaling party of 1

Angust T Jones Breaks Silence

I know you didn't make up the article title, but how in the heck is this breaking silence? The story just broke yesterday so he needed some time for his publicists to freak out and encourage him to issue an apology.

FWIW, I think Kirk Cameron absolutely would have been on YouTube had it existed back in the late 80s/early 90s.


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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:07:31 PM


Well Peas, I believe this thread has gone Thrusday.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:39:24 PM

He seems like the typical new extreme convert (in any religion) who is all wound up about it, knows better than everyone else, talks the talk and then falls flat. B/c it's easy to talk. But to act? To take a hit in the pocketbook? That's not easy. And sometimes faith is not easy.

And when did you start acting like a proper Jewish person? age 1? maybe 6 months?

Just like with a physical birth, a Christian isn't reborn full grown and mature.


At least Kirk Cameron seems to live what he preaches. Whether we agree with him or not, that is commendable.

How old IS Kirk? How long has he been a Christian? How do you know he has lived what he 'preaches' since day 1 of becoming a Christian? (was he 'preaching' on day 1? day 30? day 60? What did he even know immediately to be 'preaching'?)

Did he notify you when he became a Christian? Announce it immediately on his tv show?


This young kid will fall flat many times over as he learns and grows and plain lives life. I'm sure there'll be peas ready to attack him each and every time too.





"A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."
- President Theodore Roosevelt

On June 28, 1787, as Governor of Pennsylvania, Benjamin Franklin hosted the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, where he moved:

"That henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning."

Franklin wrote April 17, 1787:

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

Benjamin Franklin wrote his epitaph:

"THE BODY of BENJAMIN FRANKLIN - Printer. Like the cover of an old book, Its contents torn out, And stripped of its lettering and gilding, Lies here, food for worms; Yet the work itself shall not be lost, For it will (as he believed) appear once more, In a new, And more beautiful edition, Corrected and amended By The AUTHOR."

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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:45:00 AM

That's all to say that calling SDA a cult is not a huge surprise, but I am not of the opinion that all of SDA is a cult. Does that make any sense?

yes, it makes sense. It seems like we think alike about SDA. I only know 2 people here who are SDA (that I know about). We haven't talked really about any particularly different beliefs. I did look up enough to know about Ellen White. I steer away from any 'religion'/denomination with a founding type human at its head. I'll have to ask a few more questions about it. I've heard some questionable things said about it but without knowing real specifics I don't jump to conclusions about it. After all, there are many who think anyone who IS committed to Christ is of a cult, a nutter or whatever other name they can come up with.

I also raised a 'mental eyebrow' when someone posted that this young kid was of your 'faith'. I thought that was a big leap on their part.

thx NOS.





"A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."
- President Theodore Roosevelt

On June 28, 1787, as Governor of Pennsylvania, Benjamin Franklin hosted the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, where he moved:

"That henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning."

Franklin wrote April 17, 1787:

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

Benjamin Franklin wrote his epitaph:

"THE BODY of BENJAMIN FRANKLIN - Printer. Like the cover of an old book, Its contents torn out, And stripped of its lettering and gilding, Lies here, food for worms; Yet the work itself shall not be lost, For it will (as he believed) appear once more, In a new, And more beautiful edition, Corrected and amended By The AUTHOR."

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Posted: 11/28/2012 6:42:10 AM

I know you didn't make up the article title, but how in the heck is this breaking silence? The story just broke yesterday so he needed some time for his publicists to freak out and encourage him to issue an apology.



I agree with this, "silence?" Hell, it was such a short period of time, he could have been taking a nap. It seems like a lot of hype about all of they hype that the hype people created.

If he has "people" that were freaked out enough to issue statements and such, hopefully he has similar people looking out for his best interest and he has good financial advisors.

ETA: Damn, just read the articles posted about the guy in the video and he sounds a little cray-cray.



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Posted: 11/28/2012 8:58:09 AM

ETA: Damn, just read the articles posted about the guy in the video and he sounds a little cray-cray.


Yep, the suggestion that gas rationing in NYC could lead to cannabilism, and when he declares that a mother's baby may "start to look like a chicken wing".
Yeah, the dude is a damn nutter.


Well Peas, I believe this thread has gone Thrusday.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:01:27 AM

And when did you start acting like a proper Jewish person? age 1? maybe 6 months?


I was 12 and a half.

If by proper, do you mean did I speak out publicly and arrogantly and expect people to do as I say and not as I did? That would be NEVER.


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Posted: 11/28/2012 11:08:39 AM

I hope his faith is genuine, and orthodox, and not a cult, and he is healthy, and can make changes in his life quickly that will put his lifestyle in alignment with his faith, and that he will find support for the moral choices that he clearly does not have from family.



Me too.

I can't imagine growing up in Hollywood. When I think of Lindsay Lohan, Brittany Spears, the Olsen twins, etc., I still feel sympathy for them and probably always will. I think that the majority of people growing up in that environment would have some issues. I'm certainly not going to judge this young man.


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Posted: 11/28/2012 11:15:09 AM
But jodster, you have to look at the parenting. It's not just Hollywood that is to blame. There are so many child actors who fare well b/c the parents are involved, not capitalizing on the success of their children and doing what they need to for their children's benefit. With your examples, I think especially Britney and Lindsey, you have parents who Hollywood or not would have had children in trouble. In their cases, it was just very big, very public trouble.


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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:52:14 PM
Fair point Batya. I agree with you there.

However, I am still on the side of giving a person that grew up in that environment a little more leeway than I would your average teen. The pressures there have got to be enormous.


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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:55:40 PM

And when did you start acting like a proper Jewish person? age 1? maybe 6 months?



I was 12 and a half.

and when did you actually 'become' Jewish?


If by proper, do you mean did I speak out publicly and arrogantly and expect people to do as I say and not as I did? That would be NEVER.

Is that what you consider 'proper' for a Jewish person?

as for this kid being arrogant - that's YOUR opinion.




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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

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Posted: 11/28/2012 2:03:41 PM
As for this kid being arrogant, it's the opinion of half the people on this thread and most of them got here before I ever did. Heck some of them even think there's something mentally wrong with him and I never even said anything like that. You'd defend a drunk skunk if it breathed word one that it had something to say about "Christian values."

We are dealing with someone who is a hypocrite and expects others to rise to a standard higher than the one he lives. I'd rail against that whether it was a Rabbi a Christian an agnostic or my own mother.

I, regardless of my belief system, never ask of people MORE than I am willing to give. And for that, I am proud to be on my high horse. It's how I conduct myself online and IRL. That speaks to the kind of human I am, belief system, notwithstanding, b/c everything is NOT about that. But if it reflects on me as a Jewish person, Skybar, so be it.

And if this reflects on him as a flaky Hollywood person, it does. But, he is speaking out as a Born Again Christian. So it reflects on him as that as well. And you can claim him as one of your own.


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