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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:21:01 AM
I absolutely LOVE these little garden sheds that people have transformed into guest houses. We have a 3 bedroom ranch and we have 4 kids, so you can imagine how tight space is around here. Currently, our boys, 11 and 7, share their small bedroom, our 14 year old daughter has her own room, and our 17 year old daughter makes her bedroom out of a window-less room down in our basement. There is really no where else in our home that we can add on since I run a preschool program in our finished basement and all the extra space is taken up with storage.

Here's the issue: when our 17 year old leaves for college next year, her sister wants to move into her room, which will allow the boys, who will be 12 and 8 by then, to have their own rooms. (Finally!) The problem is that our oldest daughter is concerned that when she comes home on holidays and for the summer, she will have no place to sleep or keep her things. I get that, so I've come up with a solution that I THINK may work, I'd just like some opinions...

If we build one of these little sheds, and convert it into a guest house, she could have a place to crash on those occasional days home and in the summer, but throughout the rest of the year it would make a nice little studio for scrapbooking, a place to put out of town guests for the night, etc. They aren't too expensive...I've seen a few at Home Depot for under $3000, so with wiring it for electricity, insulating it well with finished walls, adding a small porch and finishing decorative touches, I think we could keep the costs under 5 or 6K. My husband likes the idea, and we have a 3 acre yard so we could easily tuck it into our landscaping, but we're concerned about the safety and practicality of it...would someone really use it? Would they feel comfortable and not too crammed? Is is secure enough? Is she going to rather have an apartment in a few years and then it becomes an eyesore filled with lawn equipment?

She's planning to head to NYC for school, and we live in the midwest, so her trips home will be few, but she'll definitely need a place for her summers.

Any thoughts?

I'm going to link or post some pics so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about, and I'd love your input.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:50:38 AM
I've considered something similar.

I'd talk to your dd and see if she's on board. If she's okay with it, I'd go for it. At 18? I'd have loved something like that. The only problem I can see is returning to the house for the bathroom. Not a big deal on a warm summer night, but when she comes home for Christmas, it's going to be cooooold.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:51:52 AM
I love that idea! I think it will always come in handy because I'm sure your DD will come home for visits no matter where she lives or how long she's been moved out of the house (I still go home for an overnight visit and I'm married and long-gone from my parents house lol).

Do you think it might get really warm in there during the summer? That would be my only worry. Safety wouldn't concern me because you can always put a lock on the door and if anything were to happen, your house is steps away.

I love the idea. I might look in to doing it at our summer place because we would love to have guests but no space for them to sleep. Thanks for the idea I followed your board on pinterest lol

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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:52:38 AM
If you do it, then you need to make sure it's properly insulated and if you can get it wired for electricity, even better. You'll need to check with your county to make sure an outbuilding like this is legal to have on your property. That might be the thing that makes or breaks your idea.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 10:55:26 AM
Look around, there are places all over here where you can buy those buildings "rent to own" basically, no credit check and they are pretty big.

I looked at one to make into a studio. They are like cabins, and around $100 a month for 3 years (or you can just pay in full if you like).

My biggest concern was water/bathroom (expensive!) and insulating the floor. That would be difficult with a pre-built building.


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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:00:52 AM
Nightowscrapper: The room downstairs is in a finished basement, and there are other windows down there, just not in her room. She does have two doors, so having more than one exit in case of a fire is covered. I've never liked the idea of her not having a window, but we can't cut one in because it's located in the part of the basement that's completely underground.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:01:10 AM

17 year old daughter makes her bedroom out of a window-less room down in our basement.

FYI - It's illegal to have a bedroom in a basement without a window. It is in Illinois anyway.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:05:56 AM
Just be advised that during your building permit process, many places have zoning ordinances regarding these types of structures.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:07:48 AM
That would be so cute! I've always wanted to do that.

In our city, there would be fees for having a "second dwelling unit," along with an application process due to density limits.

We have a standalone garage we were looking at converting, and with all the fees and stuff it would have been $12,000 bare minimum.


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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:11:50 AM
My sister made one similar. It isn't very fancy though. I slept in it last time I stayed with her! It doesn't have electricity, but she ran an extension cord from the house!! And it doesn't have heat or a/c, but she lives in Oregon and she doesn't even have heat or a/c in her house. Just open the windows in the summer and a wood burning fire place in the winter. I was there in the summer though and the temps were fine. Its very cute, but tight quarters.


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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:24:02 AM
The club where we have our lake house, some people have travel trailers on their lots. I have one friend with a travel trailer who did this with a shed. It fits a queen size bed. It is insulated and has a window unit A/C. I think she put a portable heater in it to use when needed but it is mostly used during the summer. It does not have plumbing and due to where it is located, they would not be able to add it. I guess they could add a marine toilet if they wanted to so that there was something in there but I think they just have their guests come inside the travel trailer. I don't think they spent more than about $5k for it, if that much. They did the work themselves. The electrical, I think they got one of the electricians at the club to take care of it for them. They really like it and it comes in handy frequently because they almost always have other people with them.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:26:22 AM
nightowlscrapper: two doors out of the room, one immediately next to a stairwell to upstairs, the other connects to a large finished great room with 4 windows and another outside door.

We have a fire safety inspection every year, and pass with flying colors each and every time.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:29:11 AM

nightowlscrapper: two doors out of the room, one immediately next to a stairwell to upstairs, the other connects to a large finished great room with 4 windows and another outside door.

We have a fire safety inspection every year, and pass with flying colors each and every time.

Whew, those exits sound fine then!

But... who has a fire safety inspection in their home every year? That is odd. Are you adoptive/foster parents?


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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:31:15 AM
In Arkansas we have the KOA place that has those they are insulated with electric running and she has them all fixed up really cute. She has portalets close to each one that is cleaned often. She makes a pretty good living with all the tourist that come through. I think it would work great.

You DO have to be very good at utilizing space and organization to make it work though.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:36:49 AM
We have annual fire inspections because I have a preschool in my home. It's located in our finished basement, which is the reason I don't have any more space. If I didn't have that, there would be enough room downstairs for two more bedrooms, but as of now, the entire space is being used with the exception of one small room for our daughter.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:37:38 AM
Oh yeah, the preschool thing makes sense!!! Sorry I'm being dense.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:43:16 AM
Wow...you've just given me some amazing ideas to do with our shed!

My DH is very handy and wanted to build a shed. He looked at the kits at Lowes, Home Depot,etc. and wasn't thrilled with what you get for the $$. So he designed and built one himself. It's HUGE!! I think about 800 sq. ft. It really looks like a little house. Multiple windows, door and a porch that has railings with steps that go down the front. He has an unseen ramp on the side to get the mower in and out. He also put in attic space for additional storage. But the shed isn't used all that much and other than the mower, a few garden tools and pool supplies, we don't need that much storage. We have a fully finished basement with multiple storage areas ( which he also designed and built).

While I don't need the living space for it, I would like to do something more than just a shed with it. Maybe turn it into some sort of play area for my boys? I can see the possibilities are endles! We always joke how DH and I are going to move into it someday and live peacefully without the kids!

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Posted: 11/29/2012 11:45:21 AM

But... who has a fire safety inspection in their home every year? That is odd. Are you adoptive/foster parents?

She said she runs a preschool in the finished basement, so I guess that's why it's inspected every year.



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Posted: 11/29/2012 12:07:04 PM
Part of what you do might be influenced by the zoning in your area. Putting in electric and a bathroom meet the criteria for a mother in law unit and usually can be made to fit into zoning.
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Getting someone to insulate and wire the shed would be important. You'd have to get a pretty good sized on to be able to put even the smallest bathroom in.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 12:13:09 PM
I want one of those soooooooo bad!


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Posted: 11/29/2012 12:16:24 PM
My hairdresser has something similar in her garden, she uses it when her son comes to stay several times a year. It is really cosy, even in winter, as she has oil-filled radiators in there. Hers is quite big, and one half is taken up with all her keep fit equipment, with a separate bedroom which is where her son stays. She actually has a small spare room in her house but her son chooses to stay in the garden room, so I suppose that says it all!

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Posted: 11/29/2012 12:23:58 PM
We're looking at a home right now that has a cute 10'x20' shed in the back, and guest room is the first thing I thought of. It's already wired and dry-walled, and has AC. I think it's a great idea, if done right.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 12:36:13 PM
I know that you are cramped for space, but I urge you to hold off until after her first year of college. It's nice for a new college kid to come HOME to their familiar room.

From the family perspective, that room is prime real estate. From the student's perspective, that's where they really live.

After the first year, living arrangments are usually more fluid and she may get her own place or not care. She may NOT care now, or thinks she does not, but until she comes home from college on that first break, she won't REALLy know how she feels about it.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 12:41:43 PM
We would love to have one someday! I was thinking about it recently and thought it is on my longterm wish light. I was dreaming of all the ways it would be useful, wonderful and meet our needs. Than I thought WAIT I think I need one for me to make it to someday! I was then envisioning all the beautiful aspects and retreating setting I would want in my getaway house. It is very hard for us to getaway so I thought well maybe this would work.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 1:07:02 PM
DH has one of those tilt-ups for his hobby gear. It's 8x10 and quite a cute cozy place. I would be concerned, though, that it might not meet code for a habitable dwelling. If you weren't worried about that, I think it might suit if insulated and electrified, especially if you have the room. I would also consider how far a bathroom would be- especially in cold weather, she might not want to leave her warm nook to head to the Big House to pee.

You can google small houses and there are some very cute things out there.


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Posted: 11/29/2012 3:16:40 PM
Not exactly the same, but the people who owned the house before us ran a business out of the house. They added on to the detached garage and made a fairly large office (I forget the dimensions now) and a small storage area. The previous owners already had electricity, heating and cooling installed.

After playing around with that room for quite some time, we turned it into a guest area. The storage area the previous owners built was made into a bathroom. It is definitely small, but it works. It has a toilet, sink, and shower. Only 4 people have stayed in it so far, but they have all loved it. It saves them the cost of a hotel room, but provides a place to escape and have some alone time as well.

The bathroom was expensive enough to do, I can't imagine what the cost would have been if we needed to add electricity and insulation as well.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 3:45:01 PM
As long as you can get the proper permits, it's a cute idea. "Guest cottage" sounds so fancy.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 3:56:50 PM
I LOVE those little sheds - they're like mini mansions. An alternative to a garden shed is a shipping container. I'm seriously thinking of doing this. Take a look at this one.

They come in different sizes, I think 20' and 40' are the most common. I have no idea on cost over there, but here a 20' size is about $2,500, which is cheaper than a similar size garage by the time you have it built.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 4:03:27 PM
My sister has something like that at her cottage in the UP. She calls it the bunkhouse... or the love shack!

It was there when she bought the place and she loves it because it just makes for more space when there are guests who come up to visit the UP.

The name depends on who ends up staying there. Lots of guys there to go fishing? bunkhouse. A couple hiding from the families and loud kids in the main house? love shack.

Her neighbor has 5 boys in a fairly small cabin and they have one which is the 'mini cabin' for the oldest son. It has worked out well for years.

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Posted: 11/29/2012 4:10:45 PM
my neighbor did this. years ago they bought a shed to store their garden stuff. it's on a raised brick foundation. the shed was too nice for garden tools so they turned it into a playroom for their only child. when he moved out, they turned it into a home office. it's the cutest thing ever. it looks like a smaller version of their house. the inside is insulated and drywalled. it has smaller windows and everything.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 12:21:01 PM
See your local "code" authorities as well as any HOA, (if it applies to your situation)

My area, there is a minimum amount of land you must have before you can build an "out building". Although if your property came with one (even a falling down ruin of an out building) you can repair or rebuild to current building codes.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 1:35:47 PM
pinterest has tons of ideas for those garden rooms. you can get a composting toilet for the bathroom and a gray water holding tank for the shower, and sink.

just call it a playroom when you are trying for permits.


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Posted: 11/30/2012 1:38:18 PM
I didn't see your link to the photos...

anyway check out the little travel trailers too. some of those are adorable.


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Posted: 11/30/2012 2:17:29 PM
unless there was running water (sink and toilet) I would not consider this reasonable accommodations for a bedroom/guest room (since it's not attached to the house).


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Posted: 11/30/2012 3:44:48 PM
Years ago my family did this with a vacation home.(it is sold now) It was to sleep in. Or just relax. No running water. It did have electricity. The older kids..high school\ college age would fight over who got to stay in it.It was located on a lake so the kids would have a bon fires etc. If it was warm enough why not. If they needed a bathroom they just ran over to the main house. Which was across the yard. No biggie to them. Maybe it would be an issue for an older person staying there with the no running water. Even at my age I dont have to have a bath in my guest room.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:09:16 PM
Cute, but as a house guest who gets up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, I would not want to run across someones yard and into their home in the wee, dark hours of the night.

Also our house guests are usually our aging parents. I would not expect my 82 year old Dad to journey across the yard to use the bathroom either.

Now if they were a bit bigger, insulated for heat and cool, and had plumbing, they'd be great!

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Posted: 11/30/2012 7:20:29 PM
A travel trailer might be the way to go IF you are allowed to have it parked in your yard. If allowed and since no one would be living there full-time, it shouldn't break laws in most places. It would have everything needed, most have heat and many have A/C.

And if you couldn't park it near a sewer drain, there are portable solutions and if you don't use the toilet much and put paper into a snap top trash can, it takes a long time to fill up and won't be so bad about smell. Depending on the age and condition and how bad someone wants to get rid of it you can sometimes pick up a decent travel trailer at a reasonable price.

Not as cute as the little "cottages" BUT they can be fixed up cute.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 7:31:32 PM
Our neighbor has a a structure similar to that in their backyard, but it isn't as nice/cute as the ones you linked.

Here is a link to the style similar to the next door neighbors :
Storage building

I know for a fact they didn't get a permit because the neighbor told me that. It has no plumbing but it does have a window unit (we live in Texas, I doubt the window unit cools sufficiently).

Neighbor moved his elderly mother in there (she was in her 80s, I was told). They had people coming and going out of the building all hours of the day, checking on the grandma, and we really have no privacy in our back yard. They constantly complained about any noise when we were outside because the grandma was either sleeping or watching TV. One day my sister just said "well, why the hell do you have her living in the backyard?!?". I hate to say this, but once she passed away after a year it was much calmer around here.

Now, they use it for housing for guests and it creeps me out to here people walking in the yard late at night.

I would consider , first, if your city allows this sort of living arrangement. Also, consider how much room this will take up in your backyard. Our neighbor's building is huge and takes up most of the yard. It is the only thing I see when I open the back door and I ended up putting up a shade to cover our sliding door area so we can have some privacy. We hardly have any privacy because there is always someone sitting onthe building's little porch, either talking on the phone or smoking a cigarette The houses in our area are close together, so if you have the same set up, I beg you to please consider your neighbors


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Posted: 11/30/2012 7:45:27 PM
I think it is a great idea and would do it in a heartbeat! We have thought about doing that for either DH or I to move our office to. However, there just isn't enough space in our current yard to accommodate one.

Tiny Texas Houses has some great ideas. Their houses are mainly built with salvage materials, and each one is unique. You could probably find some great ideas on their website & blog.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:02:17 PM
I think it's a great idea, especially for a young kid. I would do a lot of research on it first and see what kinds of variations, improvements, and mistakes other's have made before you start your own improvements. Getting it level, and on good footing is a MUST. I would make it high enough so that you don't have to worry later about moisture and termites.

If I was going to buy one, it would be the one that is tall enough to add a loft type bed, that way the whole bottom would be usable for everything else. Also you can buy "sample" windows that are smaller, and look good on those types of sheds. I would buy the windows first before cutting any holes, so that if you find a great price on a certain (non-standard) window, you can still use it.

I would also be doing built-in, that have two uses, for example a bench with storage under it, etc..
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:24:37 AM
We are doing that too in the spring. One thing you might want to consider is making it larger. Remember, with 4 kids you are going to end up with a few grand kids and its nice to have a couple bunk beds or double beds for everyone to sleep comfortable. Bigger is better for the future.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 5:18:59 PM
You know, you put in that cute little house, and then you are going to have to make the cute garden that goes around it.
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