s/o I'm just going to put it out there...God vs Santa

Two Peas is Closing
Click here to visit our final product sale. Click here to visit our FAQ page regarding the closing of Two Peas.

Posted 11/29/2012 by Sunshine36616 in NSBR Board
1 2 >
 

Sunshine36616
God peas protect me from your followers

PeaNut 180,214
December 2004
Posts: 31,028
Layouts: 204
Loc: stalking the crease

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:35:17 PM
I've been thinking about this for a few days and now with several threads on the board, I thought it was a good a chance as any. Besides, I have stirred any shit up in a while. just kidding.

This is starting out as a serious question. I'm not implying your crazy or wrong or anything else, I'm genuinely curious. We didn't do Santa as a child. My mom felt he took away from the true meaning of Christmas, Jesus.

So my question I guess is kind of multi-tiered. Christian moms, do you have any problems when you tell your child Santa isn't real? When you tell your child "No, this guy who watches you and takes into account the good and bad things you do isn't real...but God who you can't see and also watches you and takes into account the good and bad things you do IS real." Do they have questions about the two? Do you feel conflicted? Has it ever even come up?

I'd like this to stay friendly, but I know better. So if you have some good things to add, jump in quick before the nutters come out.

icedpea
PeaAddict

PeaNut 562,203
July 2012
Posts: 1,239
Layouts: 0

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:38:24 PM
I have always struggled with this with my children. How can you tell them that Santa (also the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy) is real for years and then say oh, nevermind, he is not? Wouldn't they begin to doubt if God is real too???

ADD_Housewife
iCoupon

PeaNut 31,018
February 2002
Posts: 19,621
Layouts: 156
Loc: probably here. maybe there.

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:39:44 PM
in our house, we talk about how Santa is another symbol of Jesus. Like you said, he watches over us, knows if we've been bad or good. His red suit reminds us of Christ's sacrifice and the white trim reminds us of purity.

Santa is a way that people can come to understand Christ. It is easier to emulate Santa and it is a baby step in coming to follow Christ and having the Spirit of CHRISTmas with us all year.



Mary Mary
NOT IN UTAH

PeaNut 140,474
April 2004
Posts: 35,044
Layouts: 13
Loc: Pemberley

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:39:59 PM
I am a Christian mom that does the Santa thing with my kids. The god thing has never come up.

When I was a kid, we didn't believe in Santa... My mom was like yours, thought it took away from Jesus. I also never questioned why one guy was real and the other was fake. Never connected the two in any way.


Mary

Sunshine36616
God peas protect me from your followers

PeaNut 180,214
December 2004
Posts: 31,028
Layouts: 204
Loc: stalking the crease

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:41:25 PM

in our house, we talk about how Santa is another symbol of Jesus. Like you said, he watches over us, knows if we've been bad or good. His red suit reminds us of Christ's sacrifice and the white trim reminds us of purity.

Santa is a way that people can come to understand Christ. It is easier to emulate Santa and it is a baby step in coming to follow Christ and having the Spirit of CHRISTmas with us all year.


So you kind of Jesus-fy santa? I've heard similar things with like candy canes and stuff. I'd not heard this before. Thanks for sharing.



Georgiapea
Mom to the Wild Things.

PeaNut 96,783
July 2003
Posts: 28,225
Layouts: 0
Loc: Altoona, Alabama

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:43:52 PM
Interesting topic, Sunshine. Thanks for bringing it up.

WannaPea
No Peas for you ! Come back one year!

PeaNut 151,172
June 2004
Posts: 26,982
Layouts: 175
Loc: In my PJ's

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:48:56 PM
I think that's a great question for discussion!


Cop's wife - Mom to one
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." ~ Delos B. McKown

Dalai Mama
La Pea Boheme

PeaNut 49,641
September 2002
Posts: 26,337
Layouts: 85
Loc: Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:51:42 PM
My older DS stopped believing in both around the same time (sometime in grade 7).


Jo Mama

***********************************

Gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight. - Bruce Cockburn

The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams


biochemipea
likes shiny things

PeaNut 114,614
November 2003
Posts: 22,668
Layouts: 499
Loc: Ontario, Canada

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:53:19 PM
I think a major difference between the myths of childhood (Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy) and belief in a god figure, is that when you find out they aren't real, you also learn that is was really your parents behind the real, tangible aspects of those myths. God remains a belief system because there is still no other real, tangible explanation to otherwise explain whatever it is the child sees as the truth or evidence supporting that belief.






See things that shine on Pinterest, Instagram, and YouTube.

Uploaded with iPhone client

stittsygirl
I AM SHER LOCKED

PeaNut 9,640
January 2001
Posts: 9,044
Layouts: 131
Loc: Deep in the heart of...

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:54:00 PM
My kids all know now that our belief in a god is the same as our belief in Santa, but they are free to believe what they choose to believe.



Kristen, lucky mom and proud retired Army wife!




ADD_Housewife
iCoupon

PeaNut 31,018
February 2002
Posts: 19,621
Layouts: 156
Loc: probably here. maybe there.

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:54:22 PM

So you kind of Jesus-fy santa? I've heard similar things with like candy canes and stuff. I'd not heard this before. Thanks for sharing.


I can Jesus'fy many things LOL I took a class in college about symbolism and we became skilled about finding ways to pretty much make anything into a religious symbol. I remember one class where the teacher took Disney movies and found a way to look at them from religious angles. It was pretty interesting. I know the disney folks weren't meaning to turn Aladin into a Christ-symbol (you know, he IS the pure one who could unlock the gate to the great treasure LOL)

I recently did a blog post on this subject.

Did you know you can look at Christmas things in the stores in August as symbolic of the prophesies of the coming Messiah?



CountryHam
PeaFixture

PeaNut 335,105
August 2007
Posts: 3,691
Layouts: 0

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:54:43 PM
In my house Santa, Easter Bunny, and Tooth Fairy are no
different then any make believe literary characters.
Pretend is fun..

journey fan
"Don't Stop Believin'"

PeaNut 308,186
April 2007
Posts: 12,538
Layouts: 0
Loc: California Coast

Posted: 11/29/2012 12:55:03 PM
No relation between the two in our house. One of my kids is very practical and discerning and figured it out way early. (I'm raising another skeptic, yeah!). No matter how or where "the truth" came or comes out, it's not related to our Christianity in any way. Kids take things more at face value (at least mine do and I did as a kid) than we analyzing adults. They just want to ensure that they still get presents, and money for teeth, and Easter baskets with candy



auntkelly
BOOMER SOONER!

PeaNut 142,266
April 2004
Posts: 9,273
Layouts: 0
Loc: Texas

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:00:49 PM

I am a Christian mom that does the Santa thing with my kids. The god thing has never come up.



Same with my kids.

I like to think that my kids understood that Santa was something made up for fun. As soon as they started asking questions, I told them the truth about Santa, so they didn't have any reason to distrust me.

As for their belief in God, I like to think that when they were small they could tell that my own belief in God was sincere and therefore they believed in God. Eventually, of course, it was up to them to decide whether they believed in God. I honestly don't think their past experience w/ Santa had any impact on their beliefs about God, but it is an interesting question.


Ginny

Sharna_G
AncestralPea

PeaNut 314,157
May 2007
Posts: 4,438
Layouts: 8
Loc: Delaware

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:03:46 PM

I also never questioned why one guy was real and the other was fake. Never connected the two in any way.


Me either.

We "do" Santa in our house (for now), and while DH and I have discussed how long we plan to keep the magic alive, neither of us ever considered that our kids' faith in Jesus/God would come into question.

I think part of the reason I don't think there was a problem for me is that, in our house, Santa was NOT the main "reason for the season". He wasn't put on the almost-religious pedestal that some families put him on. He was just a fun part of the season for a short time in our lives.

Jesus, on the other hand, is an every day, vital, life-giving part. His exsistence wasn't just for a season. It was very obvious to me that Jesus was a part of my parents' life, gave them joy and shaped who they are. Santa didn't do that. And I was able to decifer that at a very early age.


~~Sharna
FLOOR CUPCAKES, 99% PEA APPROVED


"You think they're onto us?"
"Shhh... Let me call my attorney"






Skybar
Perfect Peaing

PeaNut 188,727
January 2005
Posts: 24,389
Layouts: 0
Loc: AZ desert

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:04:08 PM

I'd like this to stay friendly, but I know better.



So if you have some good things to add, jump in quick before the nutters come out.

really?




"A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."
- President Theodore Roosevelt

On June 28, 1787, as Governor of Pennsylvania, Benjamin Franklin hosted the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, where he moved:

"That henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning."

Franklin wrote April 17, 1787:

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

Benjamin Franklin wrote his epitaph:

"THE BODY of BENJAMIN FRANKLIN - Printer. Like the cover of an old book, Its contents torn out, And stripped of its lettering and gilding, Lies here, food for worms; Yet the work itself shall not be lost, For it will (as he believed) appear once more, In a new, And more beautiful edition, Corrected and amended By The AUTHOR."

Jamieson B.
PeaAddict

PeaNut 477,549
August 2010
Posts: 1,385
Layouts: 0
Loc: Manchester-by-the-Sea, MA

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:06:31 PM
We believe in the spirit of Santa (giving, generosity), but not god in our household.




melanell
Ancient Ancestor of Pea

PeaNut 26,836
January 2002
Posts: 19,090
Layouts: 86

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:08:15 PM
I don't see it as much of an issue, because Santa is based on a real person. So one could explain that the real man was looked upon by others in such a positive light that once he was gone others wanted to carry on the tradition of giving to others.


pahina722
Peasfully Grading

PeaNut 167,524
September 2004
Posts: 5,952
Layouts: 1
Loc: Northwest Florida

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:10:11 PM
DS knows that our disbelief in Santa is matched by a disbelief in God, but that he is welcome to believe whatever he wants to believe. In fact, we sent him to a Christian private school for the last five years. Although we don't believe, we do think it is important for him to understand so that (1) he can make a decision on his own and (2)he will understand the prevailing culture.


~~~~~~Paige~~~~~~

2boysandwill
My turn to hit the PEAnata!!!

PeaNut 121,208
December 2003
Posts: 13,269
Layouts: 74
Loc: SCV, CA

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:10:37 PM
i think believing in God and Jesus is further enforced by going to church and prayer.

I'm sure my kids have prayed to Santa during the holiday season, "oh santa, please PLEASE PLEASE bring me star wars season 4 to add to my collection. I promise to be a good kid and stop digging up my nose."

and now I can't help but wonder what Santa's church would look like

All jokes aside...I can see why making a child believe (especially if church isn't part of a regular routine) that they should believe one over the other. If church WAS/IS part of life, I don't see how God and Santa are one in the same, kwim?

Sunshine36616
God peas protect me from your followers

PeaNut 180,214
December 2004
Posts: 31,028
Layouts: 204
Loc: stalking the crease

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:13:30 PM

I think a major difference between the myths of childhood (Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy) and belief in a god figure, is that when you find out they aren't real, you also learn that is was really your parents behind the real, tangible aspects of those myths. God remains a belief system because there is still no other real, tangible explanation to otherwise explain whatever it is the child sees as the truth or evidence supporting that belief.


I think that is a really good explanation, especially for very young children.

I like the Santa as a literary character aspect. The only thing is you don't like really have dinner for Goldilocks, i.e. we participate in the Santa fantasy, not in the 3 Bears.

Thanks for everyone's input.



divinghkns
PeaAddict

PeaNut 78,823
March 2003
Posts: 1,757
Layouts: 159
Loc: in front of my computer

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:15:23 PM
I'm not a mom, so I'm speaking as the perspective of a Christian woman who one day might be a mom, but who was also raised in a Christian household with Santa.

For me, I never doubted the existence of God, even after I found out the truth about Santa, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy. I don't know why I didn't question it, but in hindsight I think it's because I figured my mom told me eventually told me the truth about Santa, the EB, and the TF so she would have told me the truth about God at that time, too, and she didn't so he must be real.

Since then, I have had encounters that make me believe God is real...now I believe because of those experiences, not because someone told me to believe.

I think a key here was that she didn't perpetuate the myth behind Santa, the EB and the TF for too long. Once I was asking logical questions and expressing doubt, she confessed. Had she kept trying to spin it perhaps it would have caused me to doubt other things she told me. That is just a guess. I don't remember thinking any of this consciously at this time.

Having said that, as a family we have always focused on some of the more spiritual aspects of Christmas, so I guess for me, Santa Claus was never the focus - just a fun bonus of the season.




Mary Kay Lady
I'm thinking . . .

PeaNut 367,913
March 2008
Posts: 5,459
Layouts: 0
Loc: The state of Confusion!

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:41:50 PM

I'm a Christian and I've always taught my sons the truth about Santa. That he's based on a real person and that he was so generous that some people have adopted the idea of giving gifts in his honor.

I didn't want there to be be any confusion between Jesus and Santa. We teach that Jesus is always with us and knows our every move.

I was concerned that there would be some confusion in the minds of our children that Santa sees our evey move and isn't real, yet Jesus sees our every move and is real.

That said, we've made the birt of Christ the central theme of our family Christmas celebration.

Some years we've had a tree, but lately we haven't, mostly to lack of room.

We do exchange gifts. They are from people, not Santa.

Some years my children were younger they have wanted to leave out cookies and milk for Santa and we played along with it.


mapchic
Top Tier Pea

PeaNut 31,157
February 2002
Posts: 12,615
Layouts: 55
Loc: Chicagoland

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:46:16 PM
I am not a mom but I know some Catholic parents who handle it by focusing on Saint Nicholas more than Santa.

They tell their children that as Catholics we have St. Nicholas and that is no problem because that kind of fits in with all the Saints that they already know about. Other people may call him Santa but that makes sense because as Catholics we have some words/names that are different so it seems to not bother the kids at all. They can still go see Santa and talk with their friends about him and get into the seasonal fun of things.

Santa/St. Nick brings them gifts but when they get old enough to realize it is really mom and dad then they just move on to focusing how their parents were just emulating St. Nicholas in giving gifts and caring for children.




"When someone asks you 'think about what Jesus would do', remember that a valid option is to freak out and turn over tables" -- Unknown

“I am a Roman Catholic - the one true faith, (the Microsoft of Christianity) and I know Roman Catholicism is the one true faith because Roman Catholicism tells me it’s the one true faith... And if you remember from earlier in this sentence Roman Catholicism is the one true faith – so how could it be wrong?” ~ Stephen Colbert ‘The Word’ 11-28-06

Vocatus atque non vocatus, Deus aderit

Burning Feather
I conceived but I can't see you

PeaNut 158,336
July 2004
Posts: 37,887
Layouts: 3
Loc: Ain't no black widow serial killer going to get between me and my man

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:48:01 PM
(Take this from someone who is rather agnostic and didn't really grow up with much in the way of religion pro or con)

I think the difference is that for Christians, God is ever present - all year long, day in and day out, and most likely they are attending some sort of religious service or education weekly that their children are exposed to year round.

Christmas/Santa on the other hand is seasonal. I've personally never heard of a family (although obviously they exist from what has been said on this thread), where Santa is Jesusfied. I've always heard of and seen Santa and God as two completely different events that aren't particularly related (other than the obvious "reason for the season" connection)


Carla




kaylaaimee
AncestralPea

PeaNut 146,247
May 2004
Posts: 4,236
Layouts: 330
Loc: North Georgia

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:48:50 PM
We're still a bit conflicted. We finally decided that we want to do Santa because it's a bit of a magical part of childhood that we want her to experience.

We won't tell her that Santa watches to see if she's good or not, or that he only brings toys to good children. And Santa won't bring a ton of gifts, he'll bring maybe one? and a stocking. We'll tell her the story of St. Nick and talk about the spirit of giving and how Santa comes to remind us to give generously to others because of the gift of the Christ child.

I'm hoping that focusing on other activities during the month will still keep the season a special one for her.

It's not even so much about Santa as it is about the fact that I don't want Christmas to be about consumerism to her.

I didn't question the difference between Santa and Jesus but I can see what you are saying. I'm hoping that making Santa a smaller part of the celebration will help keep her from having difficulty differentiating.


Hit me baby one more time: My Blog: Only Slightly Neurotic


twinsmom-fla99
AncestralPea

PeaNut 203,642
May 2005
Posts: 4,186
Layouts: 0

Posted: 11/29/2012 1:50:04 PM

I think a major difference between the myths of childhood (Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy) and belief in a god figure, is that when you find out they aren't real, you also learn that is was really your parents behind the real, tangible aspects of those myths. God remains a belief system because there is still no other real, tangible explanation to otherwise explain whatever it is the child sees as the truth or evidence supporting that belief.
I like this explanation, too.

One of my kids did question whether Jesus was real after she found out about Santa. I assured her he was, and she said, "if he wasn't real, you would tell me, right?" I said yes, and that was that.

SDeven
Love Letters Pea

PeaNut 65,852
January 2003
Posts: 29,505
Layouts: 385
Loc: Nashville, TN!

Posted: 11/29/2012 2:10:05 PM

I can Jesus'fy many things LOL I took a class in college about symbolism and we became skilled about finding ways to pretty much make anything into a religious symbol. I remember one class where the teacher took Disney movies and found a way to look at them from religious angles. It was pretty interesting. I know the disney folks weren't meaning to turn Aladin into a Christ-symbol (you know, he IS the pure one who could unlock
I love this. I once wrote an essay about the correlation s between the Christ story and the tv show Andromeda.

Santa shows up once a year. Jesus is part of our lives every single day...Jesus lives in our hearts.






finally~a~mama
StuckOnPeas

PeaNut 438,682
September 2009
Posts: 2,989
Layouts: 0

Posted: 11/29/2012 2:17:08 PM
I grew up in a Christian home where Christmas was a wonderful, magic season. There were lots of church activities -- a birthday party for Jesus, Christmas caroling, a Christmas Eve pageant, etc. PLUS Santa. Santa was just a piece of the season not all of it. Santa even came to our church at the end of the pageant. But Santa was never the focus.

I remember knowing Santa was not real at a pretty young age, but I don't think I ever connected that as having anything to do with faith. I thought Santa was pretend like the Tooth Fairy -- something fun that our parents did for us. Knowing the Tooth Fairy was pretend didn't make me question God. Neither did knowing the truth about Santa.

With that said, I still wasn't quite sure what to do about the whole Santa thing. I like the "magic" of Santa, but do feel a little uneasy about telling my child such a story. We have family that aren't doing Santa & other family that do Santa. Anyhow, I have a 3 yr old that came home from the sitter's last week telling us that it was Christmas time & Santa was coming & he was bringing her presents. I guess someone mentioned it at daycare that day. She is sooooo excited about this. So Santa will be coming to our house, but I don't plan to tell her "only good children get gifts" or "you have to believe to receive" nor will I be going to great lengths to keep the Santa thing going for her. All in all, I guess it will be similar to how I was raised. Santa can be part of the season, but not the reason at our house.




Simply_Lovely
AncestralPea

PeaNut 463,295
April 2010
Posts: 4,172
Layouts: 3
Loc: New York City

Posted: 11/29/2012 2:26:24 PM
I grew up in Christian household, but they didn't go to church, since it wasn't allowed. We also had Santa, who came on New Year's not on Dec. 25th. And he was completely unrelated to Jesus, who was born on January 7th.
Here is what I said on the other thread
"I'll go as far as to say that BOTH should raise red flags in kids. Kids should question things, especially those based on pure faith. That is what develops critical thinking!!! They should be taught both sides of things and then when are of the right developmental age they can make the decisions for themselves. I never had religion pushed on me by my parents, one of whom believed and grandparents all of whom believed. They'd answer my questions and left it at that. When I was old enough I decided for myself what to believe based on ALL available information.
So while I think it's ridiculous to compare Santa to God, I think it's problematic if a child not questioning the existence of either at a certain age."

In relation to this thread I was never expected to believe in either one. Once I questioned Santa, that was the end of that. And once I questioned God, that was the end of that too. But seeing my mother's beliefs eventually brought me back to Him. Nonexistence of one had nothing to do with the existence of the other. I have to say I am very glad that I was given to option to choose my beliefs for myself. That makes me comfortable in my choice.
When I do have kids I'll do the same thing. I'll let them know about both Santa and God and then they can choose what to believe and for how long.




Meow!

KittenOnTheKeys
PeaFixture

PeaNut 498,237
February 2011
Posts: 3,407
Layouts: 0
Loc: SW

Posted: 11/29/2012 2:27:23 PM
My kids know Santa is a game we play at Christmas. It/he is a symbol of love and giving. God is a very important part of our lives. We go to church and study His Word. Santa gets "put back into the box" for next season.



brandy_m
H.P(ea) Show-off

PeaNut 62,296
January 2003
Posts: 12,128
Layouts: 391
Loc: PA-Jackass of the Northeast

Posted: 11/29/2012 2:32:14 PM

I am a Christian mom that does the Santa thing with my kids. The god thing has never come up.


That.

Although, to further confuse things...I'm Lutheran and I don't believe God/Jesus is up there keeping a running tab on if I'm good or bad

and I totally disagree with this (but I like you micki)


Santa is a way that people can come to understand Christ. It is easier to emulate Santa and it is a baby step in coming to follow Christ and having the Spirit of CHRISTmas with us all year.



Brandy
mama to Andy, Kenny and Katie


Mrs Smarty Pants
PEAing Like R. Kelly

PeaNut 180,865
December 2004
Posts: 13,443
Layouts: 0
Loc: Brooklyn, NY/Now Newark NJ

Posted: 11/29/2012 2:37:00 PM
ITA with Skybar & the nutters!

lemonadedrinker
PeaWee

PeaNut 572,535
November 2012
Posts: 7
Layouts: 0

Posted: 11/29/2012 2:43:20 PM
As I said on another board, Santa is actually Saint Nicholas. So I really don't know why certain Christians have such a problem with him or am I missing the point somewhere and they have a problem with every saint? Hang on..... you celebrate Saint Patricks day so obviously some saints are ok or is it only ok if you can get drunk and have 'fun' but heaven forbid some child from having a few weeks of the year to believe in something a bit magical.

Chlerbie
Lover of Tubas

PeaNut 14,100
April 2001
Posts: 12,036
Layouts: 86
Loc: The other side of MA

Posted: 11/29/2012 2:57:06 PM
I'm not a Christian now, but I grew up one and we did both, without any sort of conflict. I enjoyed the excitement of the Santa stuff and also looked forward to doing the religious traditions that my family had--i.e. a midnight church service on Christmas Eve, etc.

Once I found out that Santa wasn't real, it didn't diminish any of the holiday excitement, nor change my feelings or make me doubt in God. That happened later in life and was not due in any part to Santa. Or the Easter bunny. Or even unicorns .


Stephanie

I'm an enigma. Or am I?

Aren't they cute? My Emmett and Bailey...

My Blog: Scrapadelia

Peabay
Happy now?

PeaNut 156,993
July 2004
Posts: 46,562
Layouts: 13
Loc: Connecticut

Posted: 11/29/2012 3:04:57 PM
I think we're just really shallow. My kids believed in Santa, the Tooth Fairy etc.... and we've never had some deep, dark conversation about which mythological figures to believe in and which not to.

We just do our thing.



BOO!
Sunny Side Up!

PeaNut 52,709
October 2002
Posts: 20,615
Layouts: 95
Loc: watching Top Chef Canada

Posted: 11/29/2012 4:36:02 PM

I think we're just really shallow. My kids believed in Santa, the Tooth Fairy etc.... and we've never had some deep, dark conversation about which mythological figures to believe in and which not to.

We just do our thing.


Schooch over! I'm sittin' with Peabay on this one.

We celebrate all the trappings of Christian culture, but my son has never been inside a church. If you ask him the true meaning of Christmas, it's about peace and love and family. Christianity doesn't have the market on those values.


Lisa D.J.

Canon 7D:70-200mm f/2.8L:85mm f/1.8:60mm macro and PSCS5


gypsyz3
Beach Bum Pea

PeaNut 2,013
November 1999
Posts: 9,011
Layouts: 25
Loc: Miami, FL

Posted: 11/29/2012 4:51:56 PM

I think we're just really shallow. My kids believed in Santa, the Tooth Fairy etc.... and we've never had some deep, dark conversation about which mythological figures to believe in and which not to.

We just do our thing.


I'm right there with you. I went to catholic school all my life and discovering the truth about the Easter bunny, tooth fairy or Santa never once made me doubt my belief in Jesus. Now jesusfying Santa is a new one for me. I mean I know the story of St. Nick and that does not in any way make him Jesus, just a great person worthy of being sanctified.





huskergal
Shameless Husker Fan

PeaNut 49,249
September 2002
Posts: 49,515
Layouts: 123
Loc: Husker Nation

Posted: 11/29/2012 5:36:41 PM
We celebrate both the secular Santa Christmas. We do that on Christmas Day. We celebrate the Christian part of Christmas on Christmas Eve with church and all of that stuff. We have never had a problem. My youngest child is 11 and doesn't believe in Santa so we just do Santa for fun. I am going to tell the kids they need to leave booze out for Santa instead of milk and cookies.

I never did the Easter Bunny. Easter is way too important to me to celebrate in a secular manner.


Susan



eebud
Doxie Pea Mom

PeaNut 52,841
October 2002
Posts: 33,484
Layouts: 25

Posted: 11/29/2012 5:53:10 PM
I grew up in a Christian home. Christmas and Santa was always such a fun time for us. I never associated anything between Santa and God. I also don't remember my mom or dad ever specifically telling me there was not a Santa. Actually, I think one of my brother's told me. LOL Finding out that my mom and dad were Santa didn't really affect anything I believed religiously. I never felt like my parents lied to me. Santa was always just a fun thing that we did once a year. I am really glad I didn't miss out on that fun. I guess if you never had that, you don't miss what you never had but I am really glad that my parents loved being Santa.





Hans on left, Bud in middle, Gretchen on right

raindancer
Capt. Sparrow's Pirate Wench

PeaNut 217,886
August 2005
Posts: 16,684
Layouts: 44

Posted: 11/29/2012 7:20:25 PM

I can Jesus'fy many things LOL I took a class in college about symbolism and we became skilled about finding ways to pretty much make anything into a religious symbol. I remember one class where the teacher took Disney movies and found a way to look at them from religious angles. It was pretty interesting. I know the disney folks weren't meaning to turn Aladin into a Christ-symbol (you know, he IS the pure one who could unlock the gate to the great treasure LO


I find this really interesting in light of the fact that you can make anything you like fit your mythology and your belief system, but you don't believe in other mythologies or belief systems.

When you can recognize that all of these stories and myths are all so very similar and that there is this sort of common thread throughout history, how can you decide then that one is "true" and right and "real" and dismiss all of the others out of hand, even when we know that there are so many stories so similar to the Christian Jesus story that came long before.

I'm truly baffled by this. This is precisely the type of thing that led me out of the LDS church and right on out of Christianity, because it is not logical to recognize only one of them as true while denying the other stories.


~Heidi~



"You can make excuses or you can make progress but you can't make both."

Canadian Girl 77
StuckOnPeas

PeaNut 33,042
March 2002
Posts: 2,943
Layouts: 43
Loc: Canada

Posted: 11/29/2012 7:33:37 PM
We are pretty much agnostic with a Christian background. DD has a working knowledge of the bible and has gone to church. She's even baptized.

She knows that her dad and I do not believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. She also knows that we know that we do not for a fact which religion is "right". We believe there is something greater than us but not a God that is actively orchestrating life. I don't personally think that "my" God cares if you go to church or follow a particular religious group. "My" God wants people to care about others and essentially - do no harm. But DD knows that is my personal belief and she is free to believe what she wants and others are free to believe whatever they want.

I told her that it shouldn't matter to her (or cause her to judge) if someone believes their God is the garbage can. As long as someone's faith doesn't cause them to harm others - it is fine with me. I respect your belief to believe whatever you want - as long as the law's of society are obeyed and nobody (person or animal) is harmed.

But I am probably a communist. With Grinch leanings.



PennyPaws
StuckOnPeas

PeaNut 551,978
April 2012
Posts: 2,099
Layouts: 79
Loc: Canada

Posted: 11/30/2012 4:14:51 AM
I was a skeptical child and didn't buy into Santa but bought whole heartedly into Jesus... There was one year where my parents thought that maybe I had been convinced that Santa was real because I was asking a lot of questions about him, but then they heard me explain to other children that if you believed in God you went to church on sundays, celebrated Jesus, and went to heaven when you died... And, if you believed in Santa you went to the mall on sundays, and went to hell... They thought it best to tell me I had been right all along about Santa not being real and spare the other children the Christmastime nightmares



tania7424
Who am I kidding? Too tired to drink tequila

PeaNut 110,613
October 2003
Posts: 13,902
Layouts: 28
Loc: Port Coquitlam, BC

Posted: 11/30/2012 4:37:11 AM

Although, to further confuse things...I'm Lutheran and I don't believe God/Jesus is up there keeping a running tab on if I'm good or bad



Ditto. Santa can judge away. DS1 asks every day if bad boys get rocks (he doesn't understand coal, so I told him rocks). And they are loving on that elf that reports back every night. God and Jesus have nothing to do with any of the Santa magic in our house. God gives us many blessings in our daily lives, and Santa brings us things we ask for in letters and at the mall if we're good. I can see how having a different belief system it would be confusing. Get on Santa's naughty list and you're losing God and Jesus' love?

That said, we don't have a chimney for Santa and we're doing this to tie the two together. It's a key (fake) to hang on our front door. Thank you, Pinterest.

Santa's key for Jesus- Dear Santa, This magic key works just for you, Please open the door and come on through. Thank you for coming to our house tonight. We are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. Thank you Santa for the gifts you bring. Thank you Lord for everything.




WannaPea
No Peas for you ! Come back one year!

PeaNut 151,172
June 2004
Posts: 26,982
Layouts: 175
Loc: In my PJ's

Posted: 11/30/2012 6:15:47 AM

I find this really interesting in light of the fact that you can make anything you like fit your mythology and your belief system, but you don't believe in other mythologies or belief systems.

When you can recognize that all of these stories and myths are all so very similar and that there is this sort of common thread throughout history, how can you decide then that one is "true" and right and "real" and dismiss all of the others out of hand, even when we know that there are so many stories so similar to the Christian Jesus story that came long before.

I'm truly baffled by this. This is precisely the type of thing that led me out of the LDS church and right on out of Christianity, because it is not logical to recognize only one of them as true while denying the other stories.
Yes. Stephen Roberts said it well too:

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."


Cop's wife - Mom to one
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." ~ Delos B. McKown

GrinningCat
Proudly Canadian

PeaNut 43,061
July 2002
Posts: 33,591
Layouts: 2

Posted: 11/30/2012 6:21:49 AM
I've come to realise over the past few days that over the years, I was more likely to believe in Santa than God purely because of the tangible proof that was out there. That the only way I'll ever believe in a god is if I see the Santa type proof that was presented to me as a kid. I know I've said that I need proof for a while, but it suddenly clicked for me in the past few days through the discussions on this board. I guess I just reaffirmed my atheism or something.



I think we're just really shallow. My kids believed in Santa, the Tooth Fairy etc.... and we've never had some deep, dark conversation about which mythological figures to believe in and which not to.

We just do our thing.

I think my family always was the same way. We never had the pressure that I've read about here.

lalakme
oPEAra singer

PeaNut 161,924
August 2004
Posts: 11,385
Layouts: 186
Loc: The U.P.

Posted: 11/30/2012 9:31:01 AM
I have a friend whose son had a big crisis of faith in God when he found out Santa wasn't real. This is a very valid question.

DH and I downplay Santa quite a bit. I don't pull the Santa card for bad behavior or do the elf on a shelf thing. Stockings are filled by mom and dad, and Santa brings something, but not necessarily the best gift.

And I have made a policy that I always tell the truth when my children ask me things, so when they ask about Santa, I tell them the truth. When they ask about God, I tell them what I believe to be true. Hopefully, since I am always up front with them, they will understand the difference between God and Santa.


~Lara
Mom to Bria, Chloe and Sophia

overstuffed {My blog}
My Pinterest
Uploaded with iPhone client

MrsKLewis
Will I ever get to Buckethead?!

PeaNut 530,601
November 2011
Posts: 493
Layouts: 0
Loc: Crimson Tide Country

Posted: 11/30/2012 9:40:54 AM
"Santa's key for Jesus- Dear Santa, This magic key works just for you, Please open the door and come on through. Thank you for coming to our house tonight. We are celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ. Thank you Santa for the gifts you bring. Thank you Lord for everything."



"Blessed are the children of Scrapbookers, for they shall inherit the Scrapbooks."
Uploaded with iPhone client

Chopped Liver *U*
Running from the drama llama

PeaNut 43,514
July 2002
Posts: 51,686
Layouts: 42
Loc: South Jersey

Posted: 11/30/2012 11:50:47 AM
I believe in Santa and God, but not Jesus. What does that make me?


Sam



I live to die another day...until I fade away. Until the End

gar
Whoopea!

PeaNut 172,235
October 2004
Posts: 15,755
Layouts: 0
Loc: England UK

Posted: 11/30/2012 11:56:33 AM

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."


I've never heard that quote before - but I love it and want to change my signature immediately!!!



Today, I will be colouring outside the lines.

1 2 >
Show/Hide Icons . Show/Hide Signatures
Hide
{{ title }}
{{ icon }}
{{ body }}
{{ footer }}