Fast food worker protest to receive a decent wage
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Posted: 12/1/2012 4:53:42 PM

It's not a nasty thing to say if it's true. And I think it is. On more than three occasions I've asked an employee behind the counter (not the register person) for something and they had no idea what I was even asking. They didn't speak english and didn't understand english.

I know I'm just assuming here, but if you were born and raised in the US, and went to public school, you've learned english. *shrugs*


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Posted: 12/1/2012 5:00:17 PM

It's not a nasty thing to say if it's true. And I think it is


Just because you think so doesn't make it the truth. If being true is your criteria then you admit you are being nasty, which is much too nice a word to describe you, since you have no way of knowing the truth.







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Posted: 12/1/2012 5:27:17 PM

Taking vocational tech out of schools and replacing them with the philosophy that everyone can go to college and lets push every last student that direction come hell or high water was a huge disservice to the economy as well as to students.


Indeed. I taught special education for a year at a middle school in California. A group of kids with IQs of about 50-75. The school had a beautiful group kitchen, laundry and shop area. All of it closed, with no classes available. The got rid of all the home ec and vocational classes so they could focus solely on "academics" and freaking test scores. WTF. Worst idea ever. It was a really hard job trying to design a curriculum for my students when there was nothing at their level useful for them to do.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:02:07 PM

Look4angels, if you are so sure that paying fast food workers more would solve all our woes, by all means go in and tell them you want to pay $10 for your Big Mac next time.


I have a better idea... keep the prices the same. Simply create legislation either 1)provides a guaranteed mininum annual income for people based on family size, which provides enough for them to be self sufficient, and fund it through taxes on the profits of these companies or 2)require these places to stop overpaying their execs, accept a lower profit margin and increase the wages for their low end workers.

I don't care which option is chosen, but one or the other needs to happen. Either they reinvest more of their profits into their workforce, or we take a bigger share of those profits and do it for them.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:04:55 PM
A Big Mac should indeed be $10 to ensure that employees are paid a fair wage and to pay for the environmental degradation that mcdonald's business is responsible for.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:14:17 PM
Maybe if the fast food workers were better paid and were allowed to work enough hours to support their families, they would care more and do a better job and stay AT the job, and then we wouldn't need to have so many "my bad fast food worker experience" threads.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:24:13 PM
With respect to that graphic with the assertion that in no state can you work a full-time minimum wage job and afford a 2 bedroom apartment--that is not true for at least my state.

It is completely possible to live in my town (it's a university town) in a two-bedroom apartment and work a minimum wage job. I'm not saying it'd be an awesome apartment, but it would be decent, safe, and you would be able to walk to work and to get your groceries if you didn't have access to transportation. You could probably even afford a cell phone and cable/internet, neither of which I consider necessities. If you got a roommate, you'd even be able to put a little money aside.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:26:37 PM

Look4angels, if you are so sure that paying fast food workers more would solve all our woes, by all means go in and tell them you want to pay $10 for your Big Mac next time. Because that is exactly what will happen if people who think like you keep making the real job creators pay more than the market can justify.
Then when your McDonald's worker gets hours cut or laid off AND still has to pay $10 for a Big Mac, will you feel better?

How about you just put your money where your mouth is, and next time you eat out, leave a tip that is equal to the amount of the bill. That will help that poor underpaid, abused server and you can feel all warm and fuzzy.

Quit trying to run the lives of everyone else - you keep your money and do what you want with it, and we will do the same

Oh Lynlam, you're such a silly girl, "I" am not making these people protest for higher incomes, "THEY" are doing it themselves, because "THEY" can't afford to live off the money they are being paid, by companies who are raking in huge profits.

McDonald's profits increased by 130% this year in the middle of this recession, they CAN afford to pay their employees a decent wage, but they chose not to. So they really shouldn't be shocked when their employee's are revolting because of those wages.

You, of all people who is constantly screaming that the government should get people off of assistance, should be "mad as hell" at McDonald's for paying their employee's such a low wage that they still qualify for "YOUR" tax dollars, in the form of food stamps, housing, and healthcare..

So despite your claims that "you" will stop shopping at McDonald's, it won't change the fact that "YOUR" dollars are supporting these workers, the only difference is whether McDonald's pay's for their own workers, out of their massive profits, or if the government has to pay them in the form of government assistance. Personally I prefer McDonald's to pay their employee's a decent wage, out of their own pocket and leave the tax dollars alone.

But you can't have it both ways, either you pay them, or McDonald's does...you chose.

Raising the minimum wage is NOT the only cause of inflation, if that was true, why are we experiencing inflation during the years that minimum wages have not been raised?


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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:27:12 PM
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:36:17 PM
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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:37:43 PM
Large companies also tried screwing their workers constantly with horrible working conditions, and low wages, while still making huge profits, and that is how a lot of America became unionized.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:38:04 PM

I'm not even sure half the people that work at our local fast food places are legal citizens.


THIS is fucking disgusting.


Yes, it is. But then, consider the source.



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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:51:24 PM
Smilesnpeace,
I truly feel for you and see people in your circumstances in my town constantly. Most people without jobs in our area, are like you, doing EVERYTHING they possibly can to find work, and it's just not there.

Too often when a decent job does become available it is immediately snatched up by someone's "friend" or relative, long before the opportunity makes it to the paper, which I don't have a problem with, but for those searching for work it's discouraging when it happens.

I sincerely feel for you, and your family, and wish you the best of luck in your job search.

(Not pertaining to you)
but I see lot's of people who are not capable of holding down anything more than a minimum wage job, and they are no less worthy of an apartment, and food than the highest college educated person I know.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 6:59:10 PM
When I was 30 (back in1995) I did not have a college degree and was making 18.5k a year. My mortgage was $1400 (gotta love that 14% interest rate) on a condo. I knew I needed to make more money, so I continued to work and took 2 classes at a time (so I qualified for student loans). I finished my associates at a community college then transferred. It took me 8 years(I had about a years worth of credits from my prior try at college) and I was exhausted, BUT I knew I needed to do this to get better money. It was the best thing I ever did. We cannot continue to raise minimum wage and think there will be no down side. I read somewhere(I don't remember where and I am not going to look for it now) that if the CEO of Walmart took no salary it would give each worker 0.01 cent an hour raise. It's easy to complain that those nasty CEO's are greedy and over paid BUT large companies are NOT where most people work. raise minimum wage to $20 a hour and in a few years people will be bitching that that is not enough. All these government regulation and mandates are killing small and medium sized businesses-example a company that I used to work for just laid off 2 workers because they had to hire a lobbiest to get through all the government red tape. That's 2 workers out of work just because of things that were supposed to help. Minimum wage was NEVER supposed to be a lifetime wage. And remember if you raise minimum wage to $12.00, then you either ave to give those making $12.00 a raise or risk losing potentially good workers.

Again most people do NOT work for huge multinational companies, they work for small and medium sized companies and these companies cannot afford all these mandates designed to "level the playing field". So keep doing nothing for yourself and just expect the government to stick it to those nasty rich CEO's (who have spent years bettering themselves and giving up time with their families-while you sat around bitching) and we will all be unemployed and on government assistance.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 7:03:01 PM
People who have college educations are unemployed. People who have graduate educations are unemployed. Skilled workers also are unemployed (the housing downturn took a lot of those folks with it). Real wages have been declining for people who are employed, unless they are quite fancy, for decades.

Let's please stop acting like if people are unemployed, or are employed but financially struggling, that it is because they are uneducated or unskilled or unmotivated.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 7:06:35 PM

1)provides a guaranteed mininum annual income for people based on family size, which provides enough for them to be self sufficient, and fund it through taxes on the profits of these companies or 2)require these places to stop overpaying their execs, accept a lower profit margin and increase the wages for their low end workers.

I don't care which option is chosen, but one or the other needs to happen.
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They tried that in Russia once. Back when it was the USSR. Turned out that it just made everyone equally poor.


I was thinking that sounded a lot like communism...

I understand that money along with everything else runs down hill. When I worked in our factory I checked to make sure the jeans had no threads hanging, no rips, holes, etc. QC, my base pay (meaning the slowest I could go) was 7.50 as you got faster you got more money, so if you worked fast and efficiently your top pay was 14.25. After that raises were based on other things such as how long you were there, how many days you missed that kind of stuff.

Most companies shared their profits by paying employees what they are worth. When did that stop? Why did it stop? When is it going to go back to that? When someone can answer those questions that is when things will start looking up.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 7:42:00 PM
That's the whole problem, the money stopped flowing downhill, and most or all of it went back uphill to the companies, and not to their employees.
They have just recorded record profits again. This chart shows wages paid vs profits:


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Posted: 12/1/2012 7:50:20 PM

As for sharing their profits, many companies do that in the form of stock options and allowing employees to buy stock and profit when that stock increases with the performance of the company.

People are not going to buy into stock options if they can't afford to buy groceries or pay rent, and those same stocks would stop them from being able to receive government assistance to help feed their families, so stock options would work if you are making enough money already for food/rent, other wise they are useless to the minimum wage worker.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 8:56:52 PM

Again most people do NOT work for huge multinational companies, they work for small and medium sized companies

Wal-Mart remains the #1 employer in the United States, so saying people are not working for them, just doesn't hold water. They also hold the title for who has the most employee's world wide.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:07:53 PM
companies are not reinvesting...they are sitting on piles of cash....

minimum wage...if it kept up with costs/inflation...would be 10.55. not 7,25. anyway, sf raised minimum wage, requires access for employees to health insurance...and we haven't fallen off the face of the earth. granted, most can't live on our minimum wage...young people share bedrooms and 4 people share 1 bedroom apts.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:49:03 PM
I'm not even sure half the people that work at our local fast food places are legal citizens.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:41:27 PM

I'm not even sure half the people that work at our local fast food places are legal citizens.


I know it has already been addressed, but seriously? First of all, why should you be sure? It is isn't your job to check. Second, as has already been said, there are lots of people who come here legally and can barely speak English. My hard working (and for whatever it is worth, in case you think that race is a factor in being legal, white) grandmother was one of them.



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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:41:50 PM

Most companies shared their profits by paying employees what they are worth. When did that stop? Why did it stop?

What's funny is that the only job I have ever worked that didn't pay me based on the job I did, my worth to the company vs. other co-workers, was a union job. Everyone made the same amount regardless of whether you were their hardest worker or their biggest slacker. You wanted to do better and move up? Cool! You could do that by staying at your job. Again, how well you did your job didn't matter. Seniority was everything. If there was a job opening the next job grade up, the most seniority person who wants it, gets it. I think I will take my chances with the companies that so many here want to vilify.





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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:49:03 PM

They didn't speak english and didn't understand english.

I know I'm just assuming here, but if you were born and raised in the US, and went to public school, you've learned english. *shrugs*



That's a huge and largely incorrect assumption for many of the reasons given on this thread.


Taking vocational tech out of schools and replacing them with the philosophy that everyone can go to college and lets push every last student that direction come hell or high water was a huge disservice to the economy as well as to students.


I agree.

What happened to the people screaming "no job is beneath you! If you have to feed you family, work at Walmart or McDonald's if you have to!" Uh, yeah, except they're not paying a living wage that people regardless of wealth or education need to live. They are people. I don't care if they are immigrants, laid-off professionals, high school drop outs, whatever. If they are willing to work, they should be able to put food on the tables, have a roof of some sort over their heads and pay for meds for their kids.

They don't deserved less b/c they aren't as smart as me, or b/c they were born into lesser circumstances. They are people. If the attitude is that they shouldn't expect to make a living wage at a fast food job, then you are making the dreaded welfare look very attractive. You want THAT to be the alternative? Or do you want people to work three jobs and not be with their families and have children unsupervised 24/7 so their educations suffer, so they get involved with drugs, so there is a vicious cycle.

Think about the big picture.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:50:12 PM

Read Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich.


That was a wonderfully eye-opening book for me.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:02:13 PM
That said, when Fraidy gets the definition of illegal citizen, I'd like Bumpea to address "celebrity president." I mean, a celebrity is someone with a public profile and influences day to day media. I would hope that is any US president. Bumpea? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?




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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:10:27 PM

how are ALL these people in minimum wage jobs supposed to AFFORD a higher education? if they can't even afford home and food, how can they afford college? it's not like there is ALL this free money lying around to send these people to school. it's ridiculous.


This is what my husband did:

Right out of high school joined the military to qualify for the GI Bill. That paid for some of his BS degree in computer science. He graduates next semester with an MBA in Finance- paid for with student loans. If he weren't a caucasian male, he'd have qualified for a whole slew of grants and scholarships. Also, even though he is severely under-employed he makes "too much money" -- less than a teacher's salary (seriously).

So. Before people start talking about how broke-ass-broke people can't afford to go to school, get your facts straight. We're doing it! It sucks right now and is hard work on the entire family but we're moving forward without the help of handouts and public assistance.



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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:13:42 PM

What's funny is that the only job I have ever worked that didn't pay me based on the job I did, my worth to the company vs. other co-workers, was a union job. Everyone made the same amount regardless of whether you were their hardest worker or their biggest slacker. You wanted to do better and move up? Cool! You could do that by staying at your job. Again, how well you did your job didn't matter. Seniority was everything. If there was a job opening the next job grade up, the most seniority person who wants it, gets it. I think I will take my chances with the companies that so many here want to vilify.


This wasn't true at some of the union jobs I, or my brothers worked at. If you were a crappy worker then you didn't get called out for jobs as fast, because the contractor, and foreman has/had the option of requesting a certain person regardless of where they were on the union rolls.

I worked in the construction trade, where jobs were subcontracted, (which is happening a lot now) and practically no one has lot's of seniority because the jobs didn't last long enough for you to acquire any with the subcontractor. You had union seniority but that didn't apply to the subcontractor, or how fast you received your next job.

Normally one perhaps two foreman per trade - Laborer, Electrical, Ironwork, Carpenter, Pipe fitters, etc..where retained each year, and the rest were laid off till another shut down, or outage. When construction/repairs would begin again, the subcontractor could/would call out who he/she wanted, often based on that person's previous work performance during the last job.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:19:28 PM

Their time would be better spent looking for a new (or second) job that pays more. No one in their right mind should expect a fast food job alone to cover anyone's base needs.



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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:20:17 PM

we're moving forward without the help of handouts and public assistance.


No you're not. You're getting student loans. If they are federally subsidized student loans, then you ARE getting help from the government.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:20:46 PM

companies are not reinvesting...they are sitting on piles of cash....


Why do you think that is?

Uncertain economy?
Lack of consumer spending?
Obamacare?
Upcoming fiscal cliff?

Many companies are paying 2013 dividends prior to Dec 31st 2012 for a reason.

I know this is going to come as a shock to some, but most companies are in the business to make money. The more the government over-reaches the more companies work harder to hold on to it.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:26:18 PM

So. Before people start talking about how broke-ass-broke people can't afford to go to school, get your facts straight. We're doing it! It sucks right now and is hard work on the entire family but we're moving forward without the help of handouts and public assistance.

Your husband is received part of his education on the G.I Bill, which is GOVERNMENT funded aka assistance, so you are also receiving those handouts. I don't blame him for taking advantage of that funding but you are assuming that EVERYONE is of age, and ability to join the military service, and has access to those funds, which is not the case.

My daughter went back to school and got her degree while working full time, and caring for two small children, so you can't tell me a thing about hard work.
Could she have done that without me watching those kids? NO! Not everyone has a support system like you AND your husband, or my daughter and me, and I don't begrudge them a pay raise to help them eat and afford rent.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:30:37 PM

I know this is going to come as a shock to some, but most companies are in the business to make money. The more the government over-reaches the more companies work harder to hold on to it.


SO which is it, you want companies to pay decent wages for employees, or do "YOU" want to pay those workers by subsidizing them with government "handouts" as you like to put it? If handouts are your choice, the stop complaining when your taxes go up. Because one of the two is going to happen, you chose..


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I'm not even sure half the people that work at our local fast food places are legal citizens.



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How do you know this?? Do they have and accent and dark skin? That must make them illegal.

What a nasty thing to say Squillen.

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It's not a nasty thing to say if it's true. And I think it is. On more than three occasions I've asked an employee behind the counter (not the register person) for something and they had no idea what I was even asking. They didn't speak english and didn't understand english.

I know I'm just assuming here, but if you were born and raised in the US, and went to public school, you've learned english. *shrugs*

And I thought your bitchy comment to the pea who was losing her home was low. Jesus, Squillen.


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No you're not. You're getting student loans. If they are federally subsidized student loans, then you ARE getting help from the government.
Prior to Obama his loans were a combination of subsidized and non-subsidized. Regardless, a student loan is NOT a handout just as your mortgage or car loan isn't a handout. The money isn't given to us. Unlike a car loan or home loan, they're guaranteed loans and the gov't can do whatever they want to to get it back.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:35:28 PM
I don't see it as an "either or"; force business to pay more or the taxpayer gets the shaft.. No, the government should not be handing out money and no, private industry should not be obligated to pay in accordance with anything but what the market will bear.
And why the hell should a private entity or the government pay people for having babies (as suggested by someone who feels salaries should be based on family size). If you can't afford a family, don't have one. You don't have a "right" to have people pay for your lifestyle choices.

Every big corporation began as a small business. People worked their butts off and risked everything they had to get these entities up and running. They don't "owe" anyone anything just because their hard work paid off and they've grown. Yeah, life is hard; starting a business is hard; getting an education is hard. Still doesn't mean anyone is "entitled" to any of these things or to have anyone else give it to them. People don't want to take the risks but boy they're sure do demand, don't they?

Whole lot of entitlement going on. A whole lot of "if you have it and I need it, you damn well better give it to me." Disgusting.





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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:38:58 PM

Right out of high school joined the military to qualify for the GI Bill. That paid for some of his BS degree in computer science.

Here is where your husband received government assistance. To the best of my knowledge G.I Bills are GRANTS, not loans, there fore they don't get repaid.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:39:01 PM

Prior to Obama his loans were a combination of subsidized and non-subsidized. Regardless, a student loan is NOT a handout just as your mortgage or car loan isn't a handout


The difference is, your car loan and/or your mortgage aren't being subsidized by the federal government. So, yes, it is a form of handout.

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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:40:17 PM
Well, I for one have no problem with giving a grant to someone who puts his/her life on the line for this country.

If others want the same grants let them give the same service. Of course, the ones who "demand" the most and complain the most are usually the ones unwilling to actually "give" something in return for what they're demanding.

And what's with the swearing, Ms Smarty Pants...this isn't the ghetto. Please try to remember that.





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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:42:15 PM

I don't see it as an "either or"; force business to pay more or the taxpayer gets the shaft.. No, the government should not be handing out money and no, private industry should not be obligated to pay in accordance with anything but what the market will bear.

Whether you like it or not it's happening and will continue to happen, so which is it? Do you want your taxes used as assistance, or do you think McDonald's should raise their wages? It's a simple question.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:45:17 PM

Well, I for one have no problem with giving a grant to someone who puts his/her life on the line for this country.

If others want the same grants let them give the same service. Of course, the ones who "demand" the most and complain the most are usually the ones unwilling to actually "give" something in return for what they're demanding.

I have lived on a military bases, or was married to a military man from age 6, to 39, I think I spent my time serving our country, how about you?


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:45:20 PM
No, it's not a simple question. My answer is "neither". And as long as the Republicans hold at least one house of Congress, I don't think your statement of "its happening whether you like it or not" is accurate.

No body owes you or anyone else anything.





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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:45:55 PM
To start a business, you have to risk your money and your time. To succeed in business, you have to not only work hard, but have the business savvy and ingenuity to succeed.

I honestly can't understand why people who take a job making minimum wage think that they are owed more than what they agreed to work for.

It's not that I don't feel for people who make low wages. I do. I have close relatives who barely scrape by every month and it breaks my heart seeing what they go through.

In spite of that, I still believe it's the people who take the risks to start the business that should reap the benefits of success. I do believe that people should be rewarded for hard work and should be given a fair wage, but that wage is determined by the type of work that you do unfortunately.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:45:57 PM


SO which is it, you want companies to pay decent wages for employees, or do "YOU" want to pay those workers by subsidizing them with government "handouts" as you like to put it? If handouts are your choice, the stop complaining when your taxes go up. Because one of the two is going to happen, you chose..
Why does it have to be either/or?

Handouts should be an exception rather than the norm. I DO think we need to be caring for our mentally challenged (forgive me if that's no longer the proper term). I DO think we need to be caring for our terminally ill and disabled. I also have personally seen where there is a LOT of abuse and waste that goes on and this needs to stop. A "single mom" who lives with a partner who makes $65K should NOT be able to qualify for public assistance but I know for a fact that it's a huge issue and one of the many examples of waste that needs to be addressed.

My personal impression from those that I have seen in my life-- the more someone else (government, parents, school etc) does FOR them the less inclined they are to do for THEMSELVES. It's far too easy to take the path of least resistance, isn't it?


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:46:20 PM
Then you were entitled to take advantage of the GI bill. Those who haven't served, including me, were not. I'm not moaning and crying about how unfair things are; you are. And yes, your dd was lucky to have you watch her kids. But you're her family; YOU should have been doing that rather than all the rest of us.





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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:48:20 PM

No, it's not a simple question. My answer is "neither". And as long as the Republicans hold at least one house of Congress, I don't think your statement of "its happening whether you like it or not" is accurate.

No body owes you or anyone else anything.


That is where you are wrong, these workers are ALREADY receiving these benefits, because they fall beneath the guidelines for poverty, which were set long before President Obama was in office, and even under Republican Presidents, so your Republican Congress is not stopping the funding, sorry, so you still have the same two choices. McDonalds or you.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:48:55 PM

In spite of that, I still believe it's the people who take the risks to start the business that should reap the benefits of success. I do believe that people should be rewarded for hard work and should be given a fair wage, but that wage is determined by the type of work that you do unfortunately.




The OP seems to have a very difficult time grasping this concept. Apparently it is her belief that those who take the risks and start businesses and make them grow OWE it to her and others to give it to them at the terms they demand.





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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:48:57 PM

In spite of that, I still believe it's the people who take the risks to start the business that should reap the benefits of success. I do believe that people should be rewarded for hard work and should be given a fair wage, but that wage is determined by the type of work that you do unfortunately.




The OP seems to have a very difficult time grasping this concept. Apparently it is her belief that those who take the risks and start businesses and make them grow OWE it to her and others to give it to them at the terms they demand.





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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:49:06 PM

Well, I for one have no problem with giving a grant to someone who puts his/her life on the line for this country.
I don't either. He put his life on the line for 7 years and signed a contract stating that he would serve in exchange for this benefit. I'm pretty sure some would consider that a trade and not a handout.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:50:58 PM
The problem for him Sabrina is that he was willing to work, to take risks and to actually accept what he bargained for; he doesn't fit the liberal idea of the poor, down and out worker. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the OP doesn't come up with some reason why she feels he had it "easier" than others





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