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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:13:56 PM

Maybe her friend is a tattoo artist and she is his canvas. Maybe she got those tats when times were better and she had a good job and was making money. You JUST DON"T KNOW. Bottom line.


Which was my EXACT point when I brought it to the pod when it happened. I was open and honest with my thoughts as I stood in line as well as the thought process which followed yours.

I don't think it is wrong to admit to having these kinds of judgments and growing from following them through to their potential conclusions.

I believe that is how we grow and evolve.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:16:44 PM

If you read the link you'll see you can own a home in TN also, you also as soon as your youngest child is in school you have to be looking for work, in school, or disabled.


So can you clarify which part of the example of owning a van is BS? Since that one happened in the last 6 weeks here in Ohio, I am curious as to which part you feel your link refuted.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:16:44 PM

I also have (somewhere in the pod) written about when I stood behind a woman who had amazing amounts of tats and judging her when she had that kind of investment in ink but was paying with the food stamp card.




some people REALLY don't get it, do they?

what if she got the tattoos before she hit hard times?

what if her sister, or friend, or brother is a tattoo artist and did them for free? what if she bartered for the tattoos?

what if she was buying food for her traumatic brain injured father?

what if she's the paid caregiver for someone on assistance?

there are a million reasons why she was using food stamps and some of automatically assume she's a loser who makes poor choices? that's one assumption out of more than a dozen someone COULD have made and yet people are sure their negative, shitty assumption is the correct one? all based on a few minutes of observation


<edited my post because I was being accusatory toward one person when I really meant to respond in a more general sense>


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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:19:14 PM

you REALLY don't get it, do you?

what if she got the tattoos before she hit hard times?

what if her sister, or friend, or brother is a tattoo artist and did them for free? what if she bartered for the tattoos?

what if she was buying food for her traumatic brain injured father?

what if she's the paid caregiver for someone on assistance?

there are a million reasons why she was using food stamps and you automatically assume she's a loser who makes poor choices? that's one assumption out of more than a dozen you COULD have made and yet you are sure your negative, shitty assumption is the correct one?


No, I DO get it!

YOU are the one who doesn't.

I "confessed" in this thread to writing in the pod about the lady with the tats. The original thread about that situation was me sharing how I had judged her and came to the conclusions you have written as well as many more.

BUT - again, you have a search function, you could have searched and found it before accusing me of being the one who "doesn't get it."

Instead you accused first before understanding.

Again, quite reminiscent of the behavior you are accusing me of having.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:22:08 PM

No, I DO get it!

YOU are the one who doesn't.

I "confessed" in this thread to writing in the pod about the lady with the tats. The original thread about that situation was me sharing how I had judged her and came to the conclusions you have written as well as many more.

BUT - again, you have a search function, you could have searched and found it before accusing me of being the one who "doesn't get it."

Instead you accused first before understanding.

Again, quite reminiscent of the behavior you are accusing me of having.


I went back and edited my post


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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:23:43 PM

I went back and edited my post


While still using my quote in a misleading way in order to get your point across



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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:30:18 PM

The only except to this would be if the van was the sole transportation the family had, and more than likely they had to have owned it prior to applying for benefits, as most car dealers will not sell a high valued car to someone receiving benefits. The guidelines for health insurance are even harder to meet.


You said it was a brand new van, I quoted you the only way those things could happen, other exceptions would be if the van was necessary for a medical condition, or was the family's sole transportation. After all most employer's won't even take a look at your job application if you don't have transportation to and from work.

Another way a family could have purchased a new car is if they had been waiting on disability approval. During your determination period you are not given any funds to live on at all, so if you are approved you are given a lump sum payment to make up for the time you and your family went without assistance. That maybe what you are witnessing. However they are allowed to do anything with those funds that they choose.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:31:32 PM

There are no factory jobs anymore
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This IS NOT TRUE. Where do you get this crap you share?????


In my town where I live there is no factory. It closed went to Mexico. The closet Factory is 30 miles both ways. I own a 95 pick-up that I bought when I had a job at the factory. I can not afford to drive 30 miles with the cost of gas.

I have had to save up for two years we are talking change and 1 and five dollar bills So that I can move to a town that has factories.I have to have enough money to pay first 500$ months rent, 500$ last months rent, money to turn on my bills, another 500$ ( give or take ) gas enough to get to and from work ,eat, laundry, mail, u-haul, etc. so we are talking around the area of 2,000.00 with no vacation from my DH's job . Not to mention that until just recently I have been helping my DD with clothes, divorce, custody issues and what have you.

So screw you!! I have put adds in the paper from the week I lost my job, tried to go to school, walked my happy ass to go to apply for jobs and to interviews. And lost jobs to illegal immigrants ( how to I know that ? you ask) because in the paper it told us all about the 150 immigrants that were shipped back to Mexico, but when I went to the place to go get a job they had none open. I went the day after to apply by the way.

Man.....


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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:35:53 PM

I can fix a healthy meal for 5 under $20.


Not to call you out specifically, but this is SO much easier to do when someone:

-- has the time (i.e. not working two or three jobs) to plan meals, shop, and access (transportation) to affordable grocery stores as well as the time to cook and be home at the time the meal is needed

-- has been educated about healthful, balanced eating and food prep

-- can afford to buy in bulk and plan ahead vs. having access to only a little money at a time (ETA -- and time to clip coupons, Internet to research best time to use them, etc.)

I don't eat at fast food places much either but I would assume assume a lot of poor people just order off the $1 or $2 menu and for a family of four it would come to maybe $15 at most.

Random fact: My mom was a single teen parent and worked full time at McDonald's when I was ages 5 through 7 and she still qualified for (and received) food stamps and Medi-Cal. And she cooked me healthful meals and rarely let me eat fast food.

I think part of the empathy problem comes with people not grasping the disparity in people's early-life experiences. I grew up poor, welfare, blah, blah -- but I went on to become a first-generation college student (B.A.) because my mom kept telling me I HAD to go to college and basically subjugated her life so mine could be better than hers. If I hadn't had that encouragement and confidence instilled in me, I'd be many steps behind my best-situated peers.

Of course, turns out my mom was mistaken in thinking that if you go to college you're guaranteed a good-paying job for life, but that's another story

ETA: Re: The car thing, I remember distinctly when my mom was on welfare when I was a kid she wasn't allowed to have a car that was worth more than a certain amount. $2,000 I think. And we had to have below a certain amount in the bank.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:38:21 PM

Maybe her friend is a tattoo artist and she is his canvas. Maybe she got those tats when times were better and she had a good job and was making money. You JUST DON"T KNOW. Bottom line
Just when I think I can't be any more amazed by something I read here, something like the above is posted.

Drop in at your local city public school (Ok they won't let you in but check out the kids in the parking lot) and see the tattoos. Then drop in at your local private academy's next sporting event and count how many you see. See if you can draw any conclusion.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:39:26 PM
On the topic of the poor having luxuries:

I do not believe in CC debt. You don't have the money, don't buy it (not necessities like food, rent, heat). I can afford what I need AND what I want and I hold back on my wants b/c it's all too much (my kids don't get game systems, we don't vacation every year, we have less house than we can afford). I'm saying this so you have a framework for the next statement I'm going to make.

When you see poor people at Walmart with food stamps buying a Wii for their kids for Christmas, no they don't NEED it. But maybe they need it a hell of a lot more than you or I do. What do I mean?

My parents worked in school in neighborhoods where they confiscated knives and guns. It was dangerous. Maybe the person ahead of you in line works two jobs and their child comes home alone to a neighborhood where gangs are prevalent. Then someone commented about the obesity problem. So is this unsupervised child going to go outside where violence is a problem to play basketball in the park? No parents, b/c she/they are working. The Wii is this child's entertainment *and* physical activity.

Is this the case every time? Of course not. But so many of us are sheltered in our comfy, theoretical Leave it To Beaver worlds where we know best and THEY are robbing the system blind when we haven't walked a mile in their shoes.

Frankly, if someone is qualifying for food stamps, I don't envy them one bit. The same way I don't begrudge someone their 'coveted' handicap permit when *I* can't tell what the handicap is. If they are taking advantage of the system, it's not for me to judge and ferret out. If I cared so much, I'd better serve the govt by getting training and work where I can revamp the system.

I firmly believe that 4th graders don't need cell phones, no ones needs the newest iAnything and Black Wednesday-Thursday-Friday is a travesty of consumption. So if I'm saying, maybe a poor family really needs the Wii more that I do, think about that. And don't judge so quickly. Unless that's all you have to make you feel superior. And then I don't want to be you, just like I don't want to be the food stamp recipient or the handicap placard holder.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:41:04 PM

Drop in at your local city public school (Ok they won't let you in but check out the kids in the parking lot) and see the tattoos. Then drop in at your local private academy's next sporting event and count how many you see. See if you can draw any conclusion.


This is 100% not true in our town. The people with more money are just as likely as those with less to have body art.

But I'm in California, in a fairly liberal college town, so maybe it's different here.

Also, here, parents are always "let in" the public school. We volunteer there all the time -- I dunno what's up at the public schools you're talking about.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:46:00 PM

In my town where I live there is no factory.


When you add "in my town" as a qualifier, and I don't have an issue with your statement.

The way it read was that there weren't any factory jobs. end of statement.

Thank you for your clarification and I am sorry for the strong way I disagreed.

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So that I can move to a town that has factories.


If you are able to pick where you will move, many of the towns in NW Ohio have factories and aren't shutting down. We moved from AZ. I know it isn't cheap, so I am not trying to tell you what to do. Just trying to share where you might have a better chance of finding open factories.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:54:13 PM
There are still factories, absolutely, but manufacturing jobs have been in decline, and that used to be a fairly steady source of employment who might otherwise have difficulty getting work. My aunt worked at a factory (the 4AM shift) for thirty years; she and her husband enjoyed a solid middle-class life and saved for retirement. She was a highh-school dropout who married at 16, and she absolutely did not have the capability of going to college. I think two years after she retired, the factory moved to Mexico, leaving my hometown that has long had double-digit unemployment that much further in the hole.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:56:54 PM

But I'm in California, in a fairly liberal college town, so maybe it's different here.
I'm quite sure it is not mainstream America. Having had the unfortunate experience of living in CA; it doesn't compare to much. I have been on the campus of many private schools and have yet to see one tattoo. Been on a number of public city school properties and find the number of tattoos disgusting. Yes, I am talking about parents and students. You get to see many different areas when involved in multiple travel sports.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:59:13 PM

Having had the unfortunate experience of living in CA; it doesn't compare to much.


Sounds like we're each where we're best-suited to be.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:02:21 PM

Been on a number of public city school properties and find the number of tattoos disgusting. Yes, I am talking about parents and students.


Wait, what?

The public school kids with tats are disgusting?

Public school kids are disgusting?

Parents who have tats are disgusting?

Parents who let their kids have tats are disgusting?

Parents who let their public school kids have tats are disgusting?

I guess I am a bit unsure as to which part is so disgusting and surprised to read this in this thread.

I know tats are controversial here in the pod, but I guess I didn't realize it was like THIS.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:03:28 PM

I have been on the campus of many private schools and have yet to see one tattoo.


My guess is not b/c of the prevalence of tattoos at the public school but the lack of a more conservative dress code than the private school has. People are people. You'd be surprised what bankers, lawyers, doctors and accountants reveal when their suits are not on.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:05:49 PM

While still using my quote in a misleading way in order to get your point across


I used your quote because it conveyed the opinions that a number of people on this thread have said.

I am not trying to mislead anyone


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:09:24 PM

find the number of tattoos disgusting
What part of that sentence do you find the need to rewrite subject to your own interpretation?

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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:11:34 PM
I assume she thinks only trashy, poor people have tattoos. Is that it?


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:13:54 PM

You'd be surprised what bankers, lawyers, doctors and accountants reveal when their suits are not on.
I'm quite sure some may have a discrete small one. Let's talk about the ink sleeves and huge ones displaced on the legs of the basketball players. Are you going to tell me those kids saved up for those? Are you going to tell me it helps keep them out of the criminal element they may find in their neighborhoods? It's all garbage. Like it or not. Get off the politically correct horse and see it for what it is.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:15:33 PM

I assume she thinks only trashy, poor people have tattoos. Is that it?
Save your crap for someone else; I'm not buying. Read what was written. Have any problems in school with comprehension?

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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:21:37 PM
At least I can spell "discreet." I learned it in public school.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:21:56 PM
Mochas, I wouldn't get a tattoo if you paid me. If my kids went out and did that while living off my dime, I'd be livid. But I'm not judging people by them and calling them trash. That seems to upset you. If it makes you feel better to think that your doctor or lawyer has a tiny heart on her ass and not a half sleeve on her upper arm, tell yourself that. I won't tell you about some of my professional friends and ruin the image you have.

But if someone has steady hands, a brilliant mind and can save my life, I don't care if he has a leg covered with two naked women going at it and two half sleeves of skulls and crossbones. WTH is it any of my business? I just want to see that MD degree on the wall. Cut me open, buddy!

You obviously have more superficial criteria.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:22:07 PM

I assume she thinks only trashy, poor people have tattoos. Is that it?
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Save your crap for someone else; I'm not buying. Read what was written. Have any problems in school with comprehension?


you may think you were being clear but I too, am confused by what you meant about tattoos. it DID appear you were saying that only trashy, poor people on assistance have tattoos.

can you please explain? and yes, this is a serious question


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:28:38 PM

and calling them trash.
Please point out where I wrote that? Or is that your assumption. Also follow along; the subject of tattoos was in regard to how it was witnessed that some low income using food stamps may spend money that is not necessarily a priority or otherwise known as a need.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:29:23 PM

You'd be surprised what bankers, lawyers, doctors and accountants reveal when their suits are not on.
I'm quite sure some may have a discrete small one


You're right. Some do have a small discrete one. A lot have numerous, big ones that look great. You are clueless.







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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:35:11 PM

discrete; apart or detached from others; separate; distinct
as opposed to

Let's talk about the ink sleeves and huge ones displaced on the legs of the basketball players.
which are quite large and continuous. Get it now?

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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:35:18 PM

It's all garbage.


My mistake. You used a synonym for trash. Garbage. I stand corrected.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:36:18 PM

Also follow along


I won't be condescended to, so when you can speak to me with the respect I deserve I'll answer.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:50:39 PM

It's all garbage
Obviously this is causing you to look for something that isn't there; is it an attempt to get off topic. Where is there the reference to people in my statement above? Not at all sure where your interpretation

calling them trash.
is based. If you recall, this was posted by Clee321

I also have (somewhere in the pod) written about when I stood behind a woman who had amazing amounts of tats and judging her when she had that kind of investment in ink but was paying with the food stamp card.
My post regarding the prevalence of tattoos (an example of a want not a need when one's financial picture is questionable) at a private academy vs a public city school simply illustrates the notion that

what if she got the tattoos before she hit hard times?

what if her sister, or friend, or brother is a tattoo artist and did them for free? what if she bartered for the tattoos?

what if she was buying food for her traumatic brain injured father?

what if she's the paid caregiver for someone on assistance?
quoted from not2peased
probably does not apply to the majority of the examples we routinely see around here.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:55:16 PM
Batya: one other little thing. Weekly I will have an applicant for a job sitting in front of me with numerous tattoos. When I make a comment such as "that is interesting; tell me your motivation for getting it"? They all too often answer with an explanation of the picture or words and the costs associated with it. Later on I listen to the reasons for the need to find a job which is often following an extended period of unemployment or no previous employment. Guess who never gets a call back for the job?

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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:59:02 PM
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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:01:17 PM

I won't be condescended to, so when you can speak to me with the respect I deserve I'll answer.


You know, I was actually with you up until this point. Sheesh, high and mighty much? As if you're more deserving of respect than others here...


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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:08:30 PM

Batya: one other little thing. Weekly I will have an applicant for a job sitting in front of me with numerous tattoos. When I make a comment such as "that is interesting; tell me your motivation for getting it"? They all too often answer with an explanation of the picture or words and the costs associated with it. Later on I listen to the reasons for the need to find a job which is often following an extended period of unemployment or no previous employment. Guess who never gets a call back for the job?


You sound like a real peach, with a capital B that is.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:13:41 PM

Your husband is received part of his education on the G.I Bill, which is GOVERNMENT funded aka assistance, so you are also receiving those handouts.

This statement is BEYOND reprehensible. This man was paid a pittance to take bullets for a living, and because part of his compensation package is delayed and in the form of paying for his education later if he survives, you have the nerve to call it a HANDOUT?! By your definition, every government employee is getting a handout and government assistance because their paycheck is stamped US Treasury. Get over yourself.

Handouts and government assistance are what you get because you presumably can't otherwise survive, and you are obligated to do nothing for them in return. Not take bullets, risk capture and torture or a gruesome death, leave your family for long periods of time knowing you may never see them again in this life.

Student loans? Have to be paid back. Social security? Return of payments paid over the course of a worker's life (or their deceased parent's) GI Bill? Part of a soldier's compensation package. Not a government handout and I'm disgusted that you called it that.

SabrinaM, please thank your husband for his service. His GI Bill is well deserved and well EARNED, and the least we can do to help someone who has taken time out of his life, and risked his life, to defend our freedom, to become equipped to join the workforce when his term of service is done. Some people DO understand what the GI Bill is about, and don't consider it a 'handout' for nothing.


Agree 100%

The comments by look4 and some others are just ignorant. Just a thought, you pay your bills, I'll pay mine, and leave others to their own business. We all think we know why the rich are rich and the poor are poor, the less intellectual or the most educated. The bottom line is fairly simple. Life does not guarantee equal everything, and it would be a tragedy if it did.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:15:26 PM
I hate to break it to you, but this is my brother, he is a police sgt. under that sparkling white uniform he has SEVERAL large tattoos, because in his off time he is also a karate instructor.

Am I fond of tattoo's? No, not really, but it's his body, so it's his choice, and to look at him in his clothes you would NEVER know about his tattoos.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:37:28 PM

The comments by look4 and some others are just ignorant. Just a thought, you pay your bills, I'll pay mine, and leave others to their own business. We all think we know why the rich are rich and the poor are poor, the less intellectual or the most educated. The bottom line is fairly simple. Life does not guarantee equal everything, and it would be a tragedy if it did.

What you don't understand is that "you" are paying with your taxes to subsidize these workers, whether you want to admit it or not. "THEY" are protesting against their employer, "I" am not organizing their protest since they are in NEW YORK, and "I" live in TN. Low wages, not enough hours, with little or no benefits is what caused them to protest, not me.

You need to blame CNN too, and every other news station also since they are all reporting it.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:02:03 PM

Just when I think I can't be any more amazed by something I read here, something like the above is posted.

Drop in at your local city public school (Ok they won't let you in but check out the kids in the parking lot) and see the tattoos. Then drop in at your local private academy's next sporting event and count how many you see. See if you can draw any conclusion.


I'm a corporate lawyer, with a tattoo! *gasp* But oh, wait, mine is discrete. But my classmate's is not. He has full sleeves and legs, and most of his body is tattooed. You won't be able to tell though unless he takes off his suit for you, which he won't as he's happily engaged.

With that said, I think it's ridiculous to expect to make a career of fast food. It's a minimum wage job for a reason. It's a JOB. It's designed to make you some spending money for doing a job anyone can do. I am so tired of having this country cater to stupid. When is enough enough?? If you work a job that anyone can do, you get paid what you deserve. It doesn't matter that people now rely on it to feed an entire family. That's not the purpose of the job. If you have a specialty, a job that not everyone can do, then you get paid accordingly. It's that simple.
I came from a communist country (legally Squillen so shut your ignorant trap) and worked my butt of to get where I am. And I have no desire to go back. You don't cater to your weakest element, you cater to those who can and do. My country happened to lose sight of that and all the intelligence emigrated to other countries. The countries who reward intelligence and hard work. I hope America continues to do that. (btw Obama is not a communist, socialist, or anything close to that. Don't speak about what you know nothing of.)

Of course these workers can revolt, it's their right. But they shouldn't be surprised, or outraged, when they are easily replaced and their complaints go unanswered. It's the nature of the beast. This is a capitalist country and people need to understand the basics of capitalism.

And as an aside, let the McD's burger go up to $10. Maybe we'll finally solve the obesity problem in this country. We need to teach the people how to eat healthy balanced meals instead of gorging on fast food. When my family was poor when we just moved here, McD's was a bimonthly treat, not an every day food. My Mom fed us healthy food every day on pennies. And the woman hates to cook, so if she could do it, so can anyone else.




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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:41:36 PM

This man was paid a pittance to take bullets for a living,


Many people who serve in the military are not paid to take bullets for a living. Sounds patriotic and sacrificial and all that, but many people who serve and have served are never in harms way.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 11:01:05 PM
mochasmom is a disgusting human being. i am for pluralism. she is a borderline nazi.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:19:58 AM
The GI Bill is a benefit the military member is offered when they enlist. It costs them $100 a month for 12 months of their 1st enlistment. That 1st year a person in the military will make $1379-$1757 a month before taxes. They pay in about a months pay. In return they get money to pay for college upon discharge and up to 7 years later. It is a benefit that they pay into, not a hand out.

Many companies pay for college classes for their employees. The military does too. It can be difficult to go to college while serving in the military, so they let you do it after you get out.

NOT A HAND OUT, IT IS A BENEFIT!


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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:16:41 AM
mochasmom,

I was hoping your statements weren't what I thought they were, but alas, they were.

It really is too bad-I am sorry you have to be that way. truly.


-Kerry


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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:22:07 AM

I won't be condescended to, so when you can speak to me with the respect I deserve I'll answer.


You know, I was actually with you up until this point. Sheesh, high and mighty much? As if you're more deserving of respect than others here...



Huh? Why shouldn't everyone demand the respect they deserve? It's not my fault if you or any pea allows herself to be spoken down to. IRL I won't stand for it and I won't here. I see too many women allow themselves to be treated like crap. I don't think there's anything wrong with me knowing I'm not crap and acting like it. More women should take that cue. It's not high and mighty. It's demanding the respect you deserve. You and everyone else should do the same. I can't do it for you. You have to do it for yourself.

Guess who gets and demands the respect she deserves IRL and who gets stepped on? Not I. Unfortunately, when a man does it, they are powerful and in control. When a woman does it, she's high and mighty and a bitch.

If Mochas was interviewing me, I guarantee you, I'd get that job.


OK. Newbie. This is how it works. If your post consists of 80% sanity, 10% stupidity and 10% all kinds of crazy, we immediately focus on the 20% b/c it discredits the 80%.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:55:16 AM
not2peased: what part of the concept of priorities that one exhibits such as the example I gave are you having a problem with. When one feels the need to spend cash on something that is a want rather than a need when one is in a precarious financial situation; it speaks volumes about ones priorities. You can't figure out that ink is not the issue? The subject could be latest and greatest technology items; or Polk subwoofers for the vehicle, do you get the picture? When I look at a candidate for a position in my company; I have no interest in someone who shows me priorities that make me question how that person would prioritize his/her responsibilities relating to the job.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:13:46 AM

I won't be condescended to, so when you can speak to me with the respect I deserve I'll answer.


You know, I was actually with you up until this point. Sheesh, high and mighty much? As if you're more deserving of respect than others here...

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Huh? Why shouldn't everyone demand the respect they deserve? It's not my fault if you or any pea allows herself to be spoken down to. IRL I won't stand for it and I won't here. I see too many women allow themselves to be treated like crap. I don't think there's anything wrong with me knowing I'm not crap and acting like it. More women should take that cue. It's not high and mighty. It's demanding the respect you deserve. You and everyone else should do the same. I can't do it for you. You have to do it for yourself.


fwiw I agree, mostly. exception is the part where you are often condescending, but should be respectfully addressed yourself at all times. I specifically said, "As if you're more deserving of respect than others here" because you are condescending at times, which by definition is disrespectful.




Guess who gets and demands the respect she deserves IRL and who gets stepped on? Not I. Unfortunately, when a man does it, they are powerful and in control. When a woman does it, she's high and mighty and a bitch.

If Mochas was interviewing me, I guarantee you, I'd get that job.
See above about you being condescending.....

not2peased
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:17:37 AM

not2peased: what part of the concept of priorities that one exhibits such as the example I gave are you having a problem with. When one feels the need to spend cash on something that is a want rather than a need when one is in a precarious financial situation; it speaks volumes about ones priorities. You can't figure out that ink is not the issue? The subject could be latest and greatest technology items; or Polk subwoofers for the vehicle, do you get the picture? When I look at a candidate for a position in my company; I have no interest in someone who shows me priorities that make me question how that person would prioritize his/her responsibilities relating to the job.


what part of my responses don't you understand? I will be happy to explain


-Kerry


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busypea
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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:20:47 AM

Guess who gets and demands the respect she deserves IRL and who gets stepped on? Not I. Unfortunately, when a man does it, they are powerful and in control. When a woman does it, she's high and mighty and a bitch.


ITA

Good for you, batya.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:02:52 AM
mzscaps-then by all means, if people feel that way, they should speak up for themselves.


OK. Newbie. This is how it works. If your post consists of 80% sanity, 10% stupidity and 10% all kinds of crazy, we immediately focus on the 20% b/c it discredits the 80%.



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