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Yeah, how some so high and mighty seem to have that "it's okay for me to do this but the rest of you are nasty freeloaders if you do it" mind set.
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 11:00:22 AM
And most poor households have air conditioning,cable, color TVs and Very possibly a game system too.
man, obviously this person has no way of knowing what is in more low-income households - however, i highly doubt that most low-income earners have AC and if they do, it's not incredibly expensive to buy one. It's very uncomfortable to live in a small apartment in the middle of summer - so it wouldn't be surprising if people saved to afford one. Again, it is ridiculous to blame the problems of the country on the working poor. | |
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Something doesn't quite equate here - the poor are all starving according to the media and government advocates, yet the number one health concern facing the poor of America? Obesity.
That's because the cheapest food is the crappiest chemical, over-processed crap. Fresh fruit, vegetables, dairy products and lean meats are EXPENSIVE and perishable. Pull your head out and think a little.
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This thread just proves that there isn't just one issue to blame for the state of our economy. It's a combination of many issues.
We can all post an example to disprove a previous poster's statement because everyone's situation and experience is different.
An example would be the comments made about fast food vs healthy food, fast food being more expensive. I would disagree. How much is an icecream cone from a fast food place vs a banana/apple/orange? A family of 5 can eat at McDonald's for how much? $30? (I honestly dont know because we haven't been to a fast food restaurant for almost 4 years.) I can fix a healthy meal for 5 under $20.
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READ THIS ARTICLE - What is poverty?
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It is possible that most poor households could be well housed and have many modern conveniences but still face chronic food shortages and under
nutrition. Poor families might have microwaves but a limited and sporadic supply of food to put in the microwave. Government surveys show that this is not the case for the overwhelming majority of poor families.
Lynlam, the article you quoted is from a VERY right wing ridiculous site, gimme a break! It's so full of crap, it's not even worth reading. I love that you didn't add that it calls "having a refrigerator and a stove" an amenity. And that it was basically okay for a family to have "food shortages" What a bunch of BS. Have you ever been to someone's home who is "really" poor? I seriously doubt it.
I volunteer for the food bank, I see working poor almost daily. I also see elderly people and struggling families. For most elderly living on basic SS, their monthly income is about $750.00 dollars a month, most get less than $100.00 a month in food stamps. They are forced to buy unhealthy food because fresh vegetables, and fruit costs too damn much for them to buy. You're lack of knowledge of how the "poor" live is appalling to say the least.
and air conditioning you're pissed because some of them have air conditioning? Have you seen the effects of heat stroke on a elderly person, or a child? Do you realize that people actually DIE from not having air conditioning in high heat areas?
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I don't buy that raising the minimum wage automatically = a higher cost
of living. Washington has the highest minimum wage and while doesn't have the lowest cost of living, we are in the second to lowest tier. Nevada has one of the higher minimum wages and are in the lowest tier in terms of cost of living.
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There are no factory jobs anymore
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 12:08:27 PM
You're lack of knowledge of how the "poor" live is appalling to say the least.
Denying that many people who are on assistance programs live lives of iPhones, big screen tvs, brand new vans, and other such great things doesn't make it less so.
Here in our town I know of a person who makes close to or over $40K, spouse is on disability but works 3 jobs under the table, they get food stamps and other government assistance for them and their 2 kids AS WELL AS getting their Christmas provided by the various charities around town.
This past year I have stood behind others, at walmart, who are on assistance and have watched as they blew through their income tax check on electronics and then used their food stamp card on food.
I know another family who receives over $7000 in income tax returns while not paying one penny in taxes.
So, you meet a different population of "poor" in your volunteering and I meet a different population of "poor" in my life and technically, on paper, our family is below the poverty level.
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Silly clee, why shouldn't they have these luxuries. Just because they're poor and live off the taxpayer doesn't mean they aren't entitled to these things. How dare you suggest otherwise. And you should be happy they have them and that you're paying for it. How dare you suggest otherwise you racist bitch.
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I was in retail management for many many years. Y'all have GOT to get off the minimum wage thing and think about what really happens. I was not allowed, at any company I have ever managed for, to give full time hours to *anyone* that wasn't a key holder. Giving someone full time hours gave them access to benefits and, if they were not a key holder, that was not ever ok. No matter how good they were at their job, no matter how much I needed them. Not ok. That is the very first issue that needs to be resolved. Because I could run a GameStop with my key holders and two or three GREAT full time game advisors, but I was stuck with seven part timers, who weren't invested in the job because they didn't get enough hours to qualify for benefits. | |
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Yeah, how some so high and mighty seem to have that "it's okay for me to do this but the rest of you are nasty freeloaders if you do it" mind set.
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I was in retail management for many many years. Y'all have GOT to get off the minimum wage thing and think about what really happens. I was not allowed, at any company I have ever managed for, to give full time hours to *anyone* that wasn't a key holder. Giving someone full time hours gave them access to benefits and, if they were not a key holder, that was not ever ok. No matter how good they were at their job, no matter how much I needed them. Not ok. That is the very first issue that needs to be resolved. Because I could run a GameStop with my key holders and two or three GREAT full time game advisors, but I was stuck with seven part timers, who weren't invested in the job because they didn't get enough hours to qualify for benefits.
I worked at Zellers and this was true there. You never went about 37.5 hours, unless it was maybe Christmas time. If you had so many hours in a row above that 37.5 you became full time and they didn't want that.
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 6:17:25 PM
This past year I have stood behind others, at walmart, who are on assistance and have watched as they blew through their income tax check on electronics and then used their food stamp card on food
it's statements like this that so clearly demonstrate their prejudice.
you simply cannot judge a situation on the 2 minutes you observe while in line at walmart. no doubt you will come back and here and claim you heard a conversation in which they discussed how they are scamming the system simply to support your prejuice...
did it ever occur to you that perhaps these folks are using food stamps because they are foster parents and they are purchasing items for their foster kids? or the electronics were for someone else? or any number of other scenarios that DON'T involve the poor choices of so-called losers scamming the system? if you are going to jump to conclusions why is it always the negative ones?
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 6:24:53 PM
no doubt you will come back and here and claim you heard a conversation in which they discussed how they are scamming the system simply to support your prejuice...
I am not up for typing out that particular incident again ( I am pretty sure it is already somewhere in the pod)
I am ok with your label, you weren't there so you are doing to me what you are accusing me of doing to them. *shrugs*
I also have (somewhere in the pod) written about when I stood behind a woman who had amazing amounts of tats and judging her when she had that kind of investment in ink but was paying with the food stamp card.
You seem more than willing to judge me but you don't seem to know anything about me. Why do you expect different behavior out of me than you, yourself display?
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 6:48:24 PM
I also have (somewhere in the pod) written about when I stood behind a woman who had amazing amounts of tats and judging her when she had that kind of investment in ink but was paying with the food stamp card.
You do realize that for each food stamp card issued you can assign two people to buy your food for you. For example my mother is on food stamps, she draws less then $100.00 a month.
I can use her card to purchase her food since she is in a wheelchair, and rarely shops for herself. You could easily be witnessing episodes such as this and you would never know who's card was being used, or who was on the receiving end of those groceries.
Denying that many people who are on assistance programs live lives of iPhones, big screen tvs, brand new vans, and other such great things doesn't make it less so.
I'm calling this BS also, in the state of TN you are only allowed to have $2000.00 of TOTAL assets and apply for benefits. I'm pretty sure a brand new van is valued at more than $2000.00. The only except to this would be if the van was the sole transportation the family had, and more than likely they had to have owned it prior to applying for benefits, as most car dealers will not sell a high valued car to someone receiving benefits. The guidelines for health insurance are even harder to meet.
Resource Test. The asset limit is $2,000 for most households and $3,250 for households containing a member who is disabled or 60 years of age. Assets not counted are the home the applicant is presently living in and its lot, household goods, income producing property, real estate that is up for sale, cash value of life insurance, personal property, retirement accounts such as IRA and 401k plans, and vehicles with equity value under $1,500. Other vehicles not counted are those used for family transportation, to go to and from work, to produce income, for subsistence hunting and fishing, as the households home, to transport a disabled household member, and to carry the households primary source of heating fuel or water. Countable assets include cash on hand, money in checking, savings accounts, certificates of deposit, stocks, bonds, property not up for sale, and lump-sum payments.
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This is a nasty thread...and this statement..
I'm not even sure half the people that work at our local fast food places are legal citizens.
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How do you know this?? Do they have and accent and dark skin? That must make them illegal.
What a nasty thing to say Squillen.
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 6:58:24 PM
I do not live in TN and I know for sure that in OH you can own a vehicle, have a house mortgage and other such this while getting assistance.
I wrote three situations I have personal experience with. Not invented or averaged or based on a true story.
How interesting the insistent denying of these realities.
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~*Trollie*~
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:06:02 PM
I also have (somewhere in the pod) written about when I stood behind a woman who had amazing amounts of tats and judging her when she had that kind of investment in ink but was paying with the food stamp card.
Maybe her friend is a tattoo artist and she is his canvas. Maybe she got those tats when times were better and she had a good job and was making money. You JUST DON"T KNOW. Bottom line. |
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look4angel
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:08:20 PM
Resource Test. The asset limit is $2,000 for most households and $3,250 for households containing a member who is disabled or 60 years of age. Assets not counted are the home the applicant is presently living in and its lot, household goods,
If you read the link you'll see you can own a home in TN also, you also as soon as your youngest child is in school you have to be looking for work, in school, or disabled.
Work. To receive food stamps, most able-bodied people between 16 and 59 years old must register for work, participate in the Employment & Training Program if offered, accept offers of employment, and cannot quit a job. Able-bodied adults without dependents aged 18 to 59 can receive only a limited number of benefit months in 3 years, unless working 80 hours per month or otherwise determined exempt from the rule.
Since my mom is over the working age limit she doesn't have to have a job, or be in school. I'd be willing to bet those same laws are in Ohio also. They are online all you have to do is look them up. |
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:13:56 PM
Maybe her friend is a tattoo artist and she is his canvas. Maybe she got those tats when times were better and she had a good job and was making money. You JUST DON"T KNOW. Bottom line.
Which was my EXACT point when I brought it to the pod when it happened. I was open and honest with my thoughts as I stood in line as well as the thought process which followed yours.
I don't think it is wrong to admit to having these kinds of judgments and growing from following them through to their potential conclusions.
I believe that is how we grow and evolve. |
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:16:44 PM
If you read the link you'll see you can own a home in TN also, you also as soon as your youngest child is in school you have to be looking for work, in school, or disabled.
So can you clarify which part of the example of owning a van is BS? Since that one happened in the last 6 weeks here in Ohio, I am curious as to which part you feel your link refuted. |
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not2peased
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:16:44 PM
I also have (somewhere in the pod) written about when I stood behind a woman who had amazing amounts of tats and judging her when she had that kind of investment in ink but was paying with the food stamp card.
some people REALLY don't get it, do they?
what if she got the tattoos before she hit hard times?
what if her sister, or friend, or brother is a tattoo artist and did them for free? what if she bartered for the tattoos?
what if she was buying food for her traumatic brain injured father?
what if she's the paid caregiver for someone on assistance?
there are a million reasons why she was using food stamps and some of automatically assume she's a loser who makes poor choices? that's one assumption out of more than a dozen someone COULD have made and yet people are sure their negative, shitty assumption is the correct one? all based on a few minutes of observation
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:19:14 PM
you REALLY don't get it, do you?
what if she got the tattoos before she hit hard times?
what if her sister, or friend, or brother is a tattoo artist and did them for free? what if she bartered for the tattoos?
what if she was buying food for her traumatic brain injured father?
what if she's the paid caregiver for someone on assistance?
there are a million reasons why she was using food stamps and you automatically assume she's a loser who makes poor choices? that's one assumption out of more than a dozen you COULD have made and yet you are sure your negative, shitty assumption is the correct one?
No, I DO get it!
YOU are the one who doesn't.
I "confessed" in this thread to writing in the pod about the lady with the tats. The original thread about that situation was me sharing how I had judged her and came to the conclusions you have written as well as many more.
BUT - again, you have a search function, you could have searched and found it before accusing me of being the one who "doesn't get it."
Instead you accused first before understanding.
Again, quite reminiscent of the behavior you are accusing me of having. |
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not2peased
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:22:08 PM
No, I DO get it!
YOU are the one who doesn't.
I "confessed" in this thread to writing in the pod about the lady with the tats. The original thread about that situation was me sharing how I had judged her and came to the conclusions you have written as well as many more.
BUT - again, you have a search function, you could have searched and found it before accusing me of being the one who "doesn't get it."
Instead you accused first before understanding.
Again, quite reminiscent of the behavior you are accusing me of having.
I went back and edited my post |
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:23:43 PM
I went back and edited my post
While still using my quote in a misleading way in order to get your point across |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:30:18 PM
The only except to this would be if the van was the sole transportation the family had, and more than likely they had to have owned it prior to applying for benefits, as most car dealers will not sell a high valued car to someone receiving benefits. The guidelines for health insurance are even harder to meet.
You said it was a brand new van, I quoted you the only way those things could happen, other exceptions would be if the van was necessary for a medical condition, or was the family's sole transportation. After all most employer's won't even take a look at your job application if you don't have transportation to and from work.
Another way a family could have purchased a new car is if they had been waiting on disability approval. During your determination period you are not given any funds to live on at all, so if you are approved you are given a lump sum payment to make up for the time you and your family went without assistance. That maybe what you are witnessing. However they are allowed to do anything with those funds that they choose. |
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There are no factory jobs anymore
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This IS NOT TRUE. Where do you get this crap you share?????
In my town where I live there is no factory. It closed went to Mexico. The closet Factory is 30 miles both ways. I own a 95 pick-up that I bought when I had a job at the factory. I can not afford to drive 30 miles with the cost of gas.
I have had to save up for two years we are talking change and 1 and five dollar bills So that I can move to a town that has factories.I have to have enough money to pay first 500$ months rent, 500$ last months rent, money to turn on my bills, another 500$ ( give or take ) gas enough to get to and from work ,eat, laundry, mail, u-haul, etc. so we are talking around the area of 2,000.00 with no vacation from my DH's job . Not to mention that until just recently I have been helping my DD with clothes, divorce, custody issues and what have you.
So screw you!! I have put adds in the paper from the week I lost my job, tried to go to school, walked my happy ass to go to apply for jobs and to interviews. And lost jobs to illegal immigrants ( how to I know that ? you ask) because in the paper it told us all about the 150 immigrants that were shipped back to Mexico, but when I went to the place to go get a job they had none open. I went the day after to apply by the way.
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:35:53 PM
I can fix a healthy meal for 5 under $20.
Not to call you out specifically, but this is SO much easier to do when someone:
-- has the time (i.e. not working two or three jobs) to plan meals, shop, and access (transportation) to affordable grocery stores as well as the time to cook and be home at the time the meal is needed
-- has been educated about healthful, balanced eating and food prep
-- can afford to buy in bulk and plan ahead vs. having access to only a little money at a time (ETA -- and time to clip coupons, Internet to research best time to use them, etc.)
I don't eat at fast food places much either but I would assume assume a lot of poor people just order off the $1 or $2 menu and for a family of four it would come to maybe $15 at most.
Random fact: My mom was a single teen parent and worked full time at McDonald's when I was ages 5 through 7 and she still qualified for (and received) food stamps and Medi-Cal. And she cooked me healthful meals and rarely let me eat fast food.
I think part of the empathy problem comes with people not grasping the disparity in people's early-life experiences. I grew up poor, welfare, blah, blah -- but I went on to become a first-generation college student (B.A.) because my mom kept telling me I HAD to go to college and basically subjugated her life so mine could be better than hers. If I hadn't had that encouragement and confidence instilled in me, I'd be many steps behind my best-situated peers.
Of course, turns out my mom was mistaken in thinking that if you go to college you're guaranteed a good-paying job for life, but that's another story
ETA: Re: The car thing, I remember distinctly when my mom was on welfare when I was a kid she wasn't allowed to have a car that was worth more than a certain amount. $2,000 I think. And we had to have below a certain amount in the bank. | |
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Maybe her friend is a tattoo artist and she is his canvas. Maybe she got those tats when times were better and she had a good job and was making money. You JUST DON"T KNOW. Bottom line
Just when I think I can't be any more amazed by something I read here, something like the above is posted.
Drop in at your local city public school (Ok they won't let you in but check out the kids in the parking lot) and see the tattoos. Then drop in at your local private academy's next sporting event and count how many you see. See if you can draw any conclusion. | |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:39:26 PM
On the topic of the poor having luxuries:
I do not believe in CC debt. You don't have the money, don't buy it (not necessities like food, rent, heat). I can afford what I need AND what I want and I hold back on my wants b/c it's all too much (my kids don't get game systems, we don't vacation every year, we have less house than we can afford). I'm saying this so you have a framework for the next statement I'm going to make.
When you see poor people at Walmart with food stamps buying a Wii for their kids for Christmas, no they don't NEED it. But maybe they need it a hell of a lot more than you or I do. What do I mean?
My parents worked in school in neighborhoods where they confiscated knives and guns. It was dangerous. Maybe the person ahead of you in line works two jobs and their child comes home alone to a neighborhood where gangs are prevalent. Then someone commented about the obesity problem. So is this unsupervised child going to go outside where violence is a problem to play basketball in the park? No parents, b/c she/they are working. The Wii is this child's entertainment *and* physical activity.
Is this the case every time? Of course not. But so many of us are sheltered in our comfy, theoretical Leave it To Beaver worlds where we know best and THEY are robbing the system blind when we haven't walked a mile in their shoes.
Frankly, if someone is qualifying for food stamps, I don't envy them one bit. The same way I don't begrudge someone their 'coveted' handicap permit when *I* can't tell what the handicap is. If they are taking advantage of the system, it's not for me to judge and ferret out. If I cared so much, I'd better serve the govt by getting training and work where I can revamp the system.
I firmly believe that 4th graders don't need cell phones, no ones needs the newest iAnything and Black Wednesday-Thursday-Friday is a travesty of consumption. So if I'm saying, maybe a poor family really needs the Wii more that I do, think about that. And don't judge so quickly. Unless that's all you have to make you feel superior. And then I don't want to be you, just like I don't want to be the food stamp recipient or the handicap placard holder. |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:41:04 PM
Drop in at your local city public school (Ok they won't let you in but check out the kids in the parking lot) and see the tattoos. Then drop in at your local private academy's next sporting event and count how many you see. See if you can draw any conclusion.
This is 100% not true in our town. The people with more money are just as likely as those with less to have body art.
But I'm in California, in a fairly liberal college town, so maybe it's different here.
Also, here, parents are always "let in" the public school. We volunteer there all the time -- I dunno what's up at the public schools you're talking about. | |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:46:00 PM
In my town where I live there is no factory.
When you add "in my town" as a qualifier, and I don't have an issue with your statement.
The way it read was that there weren't any factory jobs. end of statement.
Thank you for your clarification and I am sorry for the strong way I disagreed.
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So that I can move to a town that has factories.
If you are able to pick where you will move, many of the towns in NW Ohio have factories and aren't shutting down. We moved from AZ. I know it isn't cheap, so I am not trying to tell you what to do. Just trying to share where you might have a better chance of finding open factories. |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:54:13 PM
There are still factories, absolutely, but manufacturing jobs have been in decline, and that used to be a fairly steady source of employment who might otherwise have difficulty getting work. My aunt worked at a factory (the 4AM shift) for thirty years; she and her husband enjoyed a solid middle-class life and saved for retirement. She was a highh-school dropout who married at 16, and she absolutely did not have the capability of going to college. I think two years after she retired, the factory moved to Mexico, leaving my hometown that has long had double-digit unemployment that much further in the hole. | |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:56:54 PM
But I'm in California, in a fairly liberal college town, so maybe it's different here.
I'm quite sure it is not mainstream America. Having had the unfortunate experience of living in CA; it doesn't compare to much. I have been on the campus of many private schools and have yet to see one tattoo. Been on a number of public city school properties and find the number of tattoos disgusting. Yes, I am talking about parents and students. You get to see many different areas when involved in multiple travel sports. | |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 7:59:13 PM
Having had the unfortunate experience of living in CA; it doesn't compare to much.
Sounds like we're each where we're best-suited to be. | |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:02:21 PM
Been on a number of public city school properties and find the number of tattoos disgusting. Yes, I am talking about parents and students.
Wait, what? 
The public school kids with tats are disgusting?
Public school kids are disgusting?
Parents who have tats are disgusting?
Parents who let their kids have tats are disgusting?
Parents who let their public school kids have tats are disgusting?
I guess I am a bit unsure as to which part is so disgusting and surprised to read this in this thread.
I know tats are controversial here in the pod, but I guess I didn't realize it was like THIS. |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:03:28 PM
I have been on the campus of many private schools and have yet to see one tattoo.
My guess is not b/c of the prevalence of tattoos at the public school but the lack of a more conservative dress code than the private school has. People are people. You'd be surprised what bankers, lawyers, doctors and accountants reveal when their suits are not on. |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:05:49 PM
While still using my quote in a misleading way in order to get your point across
I used your quote because it conveyed the opinions that a number of people on this thread have said.
I am not trying to mislead anyone |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:09:24 PM
find the number of tattoos disgusting
What part of that sentence do you find the need to rewrite subject to your own interpretation? | |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:11:34 PM
I assume she thinks only trashy, poor people have tattoos. Is that it? |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:13:54 PM
You'd be surprised what bankers, lawyers, doctors and accountants reveal when their suits are not on.
I'm quite sure some may have a discrete small one. Let's talk about the ink sleeves and huge ones displaced on the legs of the basketball players. Are you going to tell me those kids saved up for those? Are you going to tell me it helps keep them out of the criminal element they may find in their neighborhoods? It's all garbage. Like it or not. Get off the politically correct horse and see it for what it is. | |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:15:33 PM
I assume she thinks only trashy, poor people have tattoos. Is that it?
Save your crap for someone else; I'm not buying. Read what was written. Have any problems in school with comprehension? | |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:21:37 PM
At least I can spell "discreet." I learned it in public school. |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:21:56 PM
Mochas, I wouldn't get a tattoo if you paid me. If my kids went out and did that while living off my dime, I'd be livid. But I'm not judging people by them and calling them trash. That seems to upset you. If it makes you feel better to think that your doctor or lawyer has a tiny heart on her ass and not a half sleeve on her upper arm, tell yourself that. I won't tell you about some of my professional friends and ruin the image you have.
But if someone has steady hands, a brilliant mind and can save my life, I don't care if he has a leg covered with two naked women going at it and two half sleeves of skulls and crossbones. WTH is it any of my business? I just want to see that MD degree on the wall. Cut me open, buddy!
You obviously have more superficial criteria. |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:22:07 PM
I assume she thinks only trashy, poor people have tattoos. Is that it?
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Save your crap for someone else; I'm not buying. Read what was written. Have any problems in school with comprehension?
you may think you were being clear but I too, am confused by what you meant about tattoos. it DID appear you were saying that only trashy, poor people on assistance have tattoos.
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MochasMom
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:28:38 PM
and calling them trash.
Please point out where I wrote that? Or is that your assumption. Also follow along; the subject of tattoos was in regard to how it was witnessed that some low income using food stamps may spend money that is not necessarily a priority or otherwise known as a need. | |
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 | Posted: 12/2/2012 8:29:23 PM
You'd be surprised what bankers, lawyers, doctors and accountants reveal when their suits are not on.
I'm quite sure some may have a discrete small one
You're right. Some do have a small discrete one. A lot have numerous, big ones that look great. You are clueless. |
   
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:35:11 PM
discrete; apart or detached from others; separate; distinct
as opposed to
Let's talk about the ink sleeves and huge ones displaced on the legs of the basketball players.
which are quite large and continuous. Get it now? | |
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| Posted: 12/2/2012 8:35:18 PM
It's all garbage.
My mistake. You used a synonym for trash. Garbage. I stand corrected. |
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