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batya
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Also follow along
I won't be condescended to, so when you can speak to me with the respect I deserve I'll answer. |
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MochasMom
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It's all garbage
Obviously this is causing you to look for something that isn't there; is it an attempt to get off topic. Where is there the reference to people in my statement above? Not at all sure where your interpretation
calling them trash.
is based. If you recall, this was posted by Clee321
I also have (somewhere in the pod) written about when I stood behind a woman who had amazing amounts of tats and judging her when she had that kind of investment in ink but was paying with the food stamp card.
My post regarding the prevalence of tattoos (an example of a want not a need when one's financial picture is questionable) at a private academy vs a public city school simply illustrates the notion that
what if she got the tattoos before she hit hard times?
what if her sister, or friend, or brother is a tattoo artist and did them for free? what if she bartered for the tattoos?
what if she was buying food for her traumatic brain injured father?
what if she's the paid caregiver for someone on assistance?
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MochasMom
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Batya: one other little thing. Weekly I will have an applicant for a job sitting in front of me with numerous tattoos. When I make a comment such as "that is interesting; tell me your motivation for getting it"? They all too often answer with an explanation of the picture or words and the costs associated with it. Later on I listen to the reasons for the need to find a job which is often following an extended period of unemployment or no previous employment. Guess who never gets a call back for the job? | |
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peapermint
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I won't be condescended to, so when you can speak to me with the respect I deserve I'll answer.
You know, I was actually with you up until this point. Sheesh, high and mighty much? As if you're more deserving of respect than others here...
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Batya: one other little thing. Weekly I will have an applicant for a job sitting in front of me with numerous tattoos. When I make a comment such as "that is interesting; tell me your motivation for getting it"? They all too often answer with an explanation of the picture or words and the costs associated with it. Later on I listen to the reasons for the need to find a job which is often following an extended period of unemployment or no previous employment. Guess who never gets a call back for the job?
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SuffyAnn
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Your husband is received part of his education on the G.I Bill, which is GOVERNMENT funded aka assistance, so you are also receiving those handouts.
This statement is BEYOND reprehensible. This man was paid a pittance to take bullets for a living, and because part of his compensation package is delayed and in the form of paying for his education later if he survives, you have the nerve to call it a HANDOUT?! By your definition, every government employee is getting a handout and government assistance because their paycheck is stamped US Treasury. Get over yourself.
Handouts and government assistance are what you get because you presumably can't otherwise survive, and you are obligated to do nothing for them in return. Not take bullets, risk capture and torture or a gruesome death, leave your family for long periods of time knowing you may never see them again in this life.
Student loans? Have to be paid back. Social security? Return of payments paid over the course of a worker's life (or their deceased parent's) GI Bill? Part of a soldier's compensation package. Not a government handout and I'm disgusted that you called it that.
SabrinaM, please thank your husband for his service. His GI Bill is well deserved and well EARNED, and the least we can do to help someone who has taken time out of his life, and risked his life, to defend our freedom, to become equipped to join the workforce when his term of service is done. Some people DO understand what the GI Bill is about, and don't consider it a 'handout' for nothing.
Agree 100%
The comments by look4 and some others are just ignorant. Just a thought, you pay your bills, I'll pay mine, and leave others to their own business. We all think we know why the rich are rich and the poor are poor, the less intellectual or the most educated. The bottom line is fairly simple. Life does not guarantee equal everything, and it would be a tragedy if it did. | |
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I hate to break it to you, but this is my brother, he is a police sgt. under that sparkling white uniform he has SEVERAL large tattoos, because in his off time he is also a karate instructor.
Am I fond of tattoo's? No, not really, but it's his body, so it's his choice, and to look at him in his clothes you would NEVER know about his tattoos.
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look4angel
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The comments by look4 and some others are just ignorant. Just a thought, you pay your bills, I'll pay mine, and leave others to their own business. We all think we know why the rich are rich and the poor are poor, the less intellectual or the most educated. The bottom line is fairly simple. Life does not guarantee equal everything, and it would be a tragedy if it did.
What you don't understand is that "you" are paying with your taxes to subsidize these workers, whether you want to admit it or not. "THEY" are protesting against their employer, "I" am not organizing their protest since they are in NEW YORK, and "I" live in TN. Low wages, not enough hours, with little or no benefits is what caused them to protest, not me.
You need to blame CNN too, and every other news station also since they are all reporting it.
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Just when I think I can't be any more amazed by something I read here, something like the above is posted.
Drop in at your local city public school (Ok they won't let you in but check out the kids in the parking lot) and see the tattoos. Then drop in at your local private academy's next sporting event and count how many you see. See if you can draw any conclusion.
I'm a corporate lawyer, with a tattoo! *gasp* But oh, wait, mine is discrete. But my classmate's is not. He has full sleeves and legs, and most of his body is tattooed. You won't be able to tell though unless he takes off his suit for you, which he won't as he's happily engaged.
With that said, I think it's ridiculous to expect to make a career of fast food. It's a minimum wage job for a reason. It's a JOB. It's designed to make you some spending money for doing a job anyone can do. I am so tired of having this country cater to stupid. When is enough enough?? If you work a job that anyone can do, you get paid what you deserve. It doesn't matter that people now rely on it to feed an entire family. That's not the purpose of the job. If you have a specialty, a job that not everyone can do, then you get paid accordingly. It's that simple.
I came from a communist country (legally Squillen so shut your ignorant trap) and worked my butt of to get where I am. And I have no desire to go back. You don't cater to your weakest element, you cater to those who can and do. My country happened to lose sight of that and all the intelligence emigrated to other countries. The countries who reward intelligence and hard work. I hope America continues to do that. (btw Obama is not a communist, socialist, or anything close to that. Don't speak about what you know nothing of.)
Of course these workers can revolt, it's their right. But they shouldn't be surprised, or outraged, when they are easily replaced and their complaints go unanswered. It's the nature of the beast. This is a capitalist country and people need to understand the basics of capitalism.
And as an aside, let the McD's burger go up to $10. Maybe we'll finally solve the obesity problem in this country. We need to teach the people how to eat healthy balanced meals instead of gorging on fast food. When my family was poor when we just moved here, McD's was a bimonthly treat, not an every day food. My Mom fed us healthy food every day on pennies. And the woman hates to cook, so if she could do it, so can anyone else. |
 
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This man was paid a pittance to take bullets for a living,
Many people who serve in the military are not paid to take bullets for a living. Sounds patriotic and sacrificial and all that, but many people who serve and have served are never in harms way. |
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The GI Bill is a benefit the military member is offered when they enlist. It costs them $100 a month for 12 months of their 1st enlistment. That 1st year a person in the military will make $1379-$1757 a month before taxes. They pay in about a months pay. In return they get money to pay for college upon discharge and up to 7 years later. It is a benefit that they pay into, not a hand out.
Many companies pay for college classes for their employees. The military does too. It can be difficult to go to college while serving in the military, so they let you do it after you get out.
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not2peased
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mochasmom,
I was hoping your statements weren't what I thought they were, but alas, they were.
It really is too bad-I am sorry you have to be that way. truly. |
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batya
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I won't be condescended to, so when you can speak to me with the respect I deserve I'll answer.
You know, I was actually with you up until this point. Sheesh, high and mighty much? As if you're more deserving of respect than others here...
Huh? Why shouldn't everyone demand the respect they deserve? It's not my fault if you or any pea allows herself to be spoken down to. IRL I won't stand for it and I won't here. I see too many women allow themselves to be treated like crap. I don't think there's anything wrong with me knowing I'm not crap and acting like it. More women should take that cue. It's not high and mighty. It's demanding the respect you deserve. You and everyone else should do the same. I can't do it for you. You have to do it for yourself.
Guess who gets and demands the respect she deserves IRL and who gets stepped on? Not I. Unfortunately, when a man does it, they are powerful and in control. When a woman does it, she's high and mighty and a bitch.
If Mochas was interviewing me, I guarantee you, I'd get that job. |
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MochasMom
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not2peased: what part of the concept of priorities that one exhibits such as the example I gave are you having a problem with. When one feels the need to spend cash on something that is a want rather than a need when one is in a precarious financial situation; it speaks volumes about ones priorities. You can't figure out that ink is not the issue? The subject could be latest and greatest technology items; or Polk subwoofers for the vehicle, do you get the picture? When I look at a candidate for a position in my company; I have no interest in someone who shows me priorities that make me question how that person would prioritize his/her responsibilities relating to the job. | |
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mzscrappea
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I won't be condescended to, so when you can speak to me with the respect I deserve I'll answer.
You know, I was actually with you up until this point. Sheesh, high and mighty much? As if you're more deserving of respect than others here...
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Huh? Why shouldn't everyone demand the respect they deserve? It's not my fault if you or any pea allows herself to be spoken down to. IRL I won't stand for it and I won't here. I see too many women allow themselves to be treated like crap. I don't think there's anything wrong with me knowing I'm not crap and acting like it. More women should take that cue. It's not high and mighty. It's demanding the respect you deserve. You and everyone else should do the same. I can't do it for you. You have to do it for yourself.
fwiw I agree, mostly. exception is the part where you are often condescending, but should be respectfully addressed yourself at all times. I specifically said, "As if you're more deserving of respect than others here" because you are condescending at times, which by definition is disrespectful.
Guess who gets and demands the respect she deserves IRL and who gets stepped on? Not I. Unfortunately, when a man does it, they are powerful and in control. When a woman does it, she's high and mighty and a bitch.
If Mochas was interviewing me, I guarantee you, I'd get that job.
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not2peased
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not2peased: what part of the concept of priorities that one exhibits such as the example I gave are you having a problem with. When one feels the need to spend cash on something that is a want rather than a need when one is in a precarious financial situation; it speaks volumes about ones priorities. You can't figure out that ink is not the issue? The subject could be latest and greatest technology items; or Polk subwoofers for the vehicle, do you get the picture? When I look at a candidate for a position in my company; I have no interest in someone who shows me priorities that make me question how that person would prioritize his/her responsibilities relating to the job.
what part of my responses don't you understand? I will be happy to explain |
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busypea
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Guess who gets and demands the respect she deserves IRL and who gets stepped on? Not I. Unfortunately, when a man does it, they are powerful and in control. When a woman does it, she's high and mighty and a bitch.
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batya
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mzscaps-then by all means, if people feel that way, they should speak up for themselves. |
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batya
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Guess who gets and demands the respect she deserves IRL and who gets stepped on? Not I. Unfortunately, when a man does it, they are powerful and in control. When a woman does it, she's high and mighty and a bitch.
If Mochas was interviewing me, I guarantee you, I'd get that job.
See above about you being condescending.....
And I don't see that as condescending. Condescending is talking down to someone. I wasn't talking down to you. I was telling you, with CONFIDENCE, that I would walk out with what I was after. Do you notice when you read this board that so many women are afraid to say no, afraid to go after what is rightfully theirs, what they deserve? Why should that be? That they apologize before they start talking as in "I'm sorry, but..." |
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stittsygirl
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Many people who serve in the military are not paid to take bullets for a living. Sounds patriotic and sacrificial and all that, but many people who serve and have served are never in harms way.
A service member doesn't always get to make that choice, though. When you sign on the dotted line, having to serve in a combat zone is always an option, no matter what your job. That's why every service member goes through a basic training course first, to learn how to fight in combat, before their specialized training in their field. And except for a couple of hundred dollars in extra combat pay every month, an E-5 getting shot at in Afghanistan and an E-5 sitting at a comfy desk in the US make the same wage, based on their rank and time in service.
I don't know why this is an issue. Every service member who has ever signed up has the chance of being in combat at some point or another. I'd still like to see the statistic about the 91% never having to serve in a combat zone. Where we're stationed, those numbers would be turned around, but that is the nature of our military post. My husband is an officer with a desk job, but that desk has been in both Iraq and Afghanistan at some point, with missiles hitting his compound at least twice a week.
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KikiNichole
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Guess who gets and demands the respect she deserves IRL and who gets stepped on? Not I. Unfortunately, when a man does it, they are powerful and in control. When a woman does it, she's high and mighty and a bitch.
If Mochas was interviewing me, I guarantee you, I'd get that job.
See above about you being condescending.....
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Many people who serve in the military are not paid to take bullets for a living. Sounds patriotic and sacrificial and all that, but many people who serve and have served are never in harms way.
I find it fascinating that so many people are ready to jump on me for my statement about taking bullets, but seem to have no problem with someone calling the GI Bill a 'handout' like it's welfare. I can't believe grown women miss the point that the GI Bill is part of the compensation package PROMISED to a man or woman who commits to military service and, yes, is required to do what is asked of them, whether it's patching up little kids in a stateside base pediatric clinic or running onto a battlefield with live ammunition flying to defend people in a foreign land who despise their existence.
Instead the peas get hung up about whether the job they end up doing is REALLY dangerous. That's not the main point. The main point is a pp called part of their compensation package a governnment 'handout', apparently because the government writes the check.
Police officers are also paid to take a bullet for a living. Does the fact that most of them will never get shot negate the fact they face that risk every day?
Seriously, the GI Bill is part of the compensation package. To call it a handout is egregious and insulting. They earn it. It was promised to them when they agreed to do the job. If they do a job stateside, it's irrelevant that they didn't do something dangerous. It was promised as compensation for their job. It is NOT a Pell Grant that you get for filling out the paperwork and having a need for money when you go through the registration line.
Would you tell some of our peas working in government offices that some part of THEIR compensation package is 'government assistance' or a 'handout' that they didn't earn, but get through the graciousness of the government? Maybe their health benefits? How about their pension? Vacation time or sick leave? Maybe their tuition reimbursement?
But a soldier, who turns himself or herself over to do a job in whatever way their branch of the military requires, has part of their duly earned and agreed upon compensation package called a "handout", and are told they can't say they worked hard to get their education without government handouts. |
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mzscrappea
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Guess who gets and demands the respect she deserves IRL and who gets stepped on? Not I. Unfortunately, when a man does it, they are powerful and in control. When a woman does it, she's high and mighty and a bitch.
If Mochas was interviewing me, I guarantee you, I'd get that job.
See above about you being condescending.....
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And I don't see that as condescending. Condescending is talking down to someone. I wasn't talking down to you. I was telling you, with CONFIDENCE, that I would walk out with what I was after. Do you notice when you read this board that so many women are afraid to say no, afraid to go after what is rightfully theirs, what they deserve? Why should that be? That they apologize before they start talking as in "I'm sorry, but..."
No one should have to stay quite or accept less than they deserve. I never said that you or anyone else should do that or that when women stand up for themselves they are bitches-that's your issue, not mine. I said that you have been condescending in the past, and that as such, you do not give others the same respect that you demand for yourself. I do find it condescending to suggest that I have no idea of the meaning of the word.  | |
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stittsygirl
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Seriously, the GI Bill is part of the compensation package. To call it a handout is egregious and insulting. They earn it. It was promised to them when they agreed to do the job. If they do a job stateside, it's irrelevant that they didn't do something dangerous. It was promised as compensation for their job. It is NOT a Pell Grant that you get for filling out the paperwork and having a need for money when you go through the registration line.
Would you tell some of our peas working in government offices that some part of THEIR compensation package is 'government assistance' or a 'handout' that they didn't earn, but get through the graciousness of the government? Maybe their health benefits? How about their pension? Vacation time or sick leave? Maybe their tuition reimbursement?
But a soldier, who turns himself or herself over to do a job in whatever way their branch of the military requires, has part of their duly earned and agreed upon compensation package called a "handout", and are told they can't say they worked hard to get their education without government handouts.
Thank you! My husband, and we as a family, have earned every bit of compensation we've received from the military, including the GI Bill, and the tuition reimbursement my husband used to get his Master's. Even if a service member never serves in a combat zone, just making the commitment to serve, to possibly face combat, serving wherever the military tells them to, and just doing their job earns them that compensation.
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I think many people confuse confidence with condescension. All I see in Batya's statement is confidence.
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Let's talk about the ink sleeves and huge ones displaced on the legs of the basketball players. Are you going to tell me those kids saved up for those? Are you going to tell me it helps keep them out of the criminal element they may find in their neighborhoods? It's all garbage.
This is the full statement you made. How you can't interpret that as talking about the people, their choices and their taste being trash/garbage I don't know. Can you clarify what you meant, then, by garbage? |
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batya
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I do find it condescending to suggest that I have no idea of the meaning of the word.
From your post, it appeared you didn't. I wasn't the only one who thought so. See Kiki and Clee's posts. |
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With that said, I think it's ridiculous to expect to make a career of fast food. It's a minimum wage job for a reason. It's a JOB. It's designed to make you some spending money for doing a job anyone can do. I am so tired of having this country cater to stupid. When is enough enough?? If you work a job that anyone can do, you get paid what you deserve. It doesn't matter that people now rely on it to feed an entire family. That's not the purpose of the job. If you have a specialty, a job that not everyone can do, then you get paid accordingly. It's that simple.
I came from a communist country (legally Squillen so shut your ignorant trap) and worked my butt of to get where I am. And I have no desire to go back. You don't cater to your weakest element, you cater to those who can and do. My country happened to lose sight of that and all the intelligence emigrated to other countries. The countries who reward intelligence and hard work. I hope America continues to do that. (btw Obama is not a communist, socialist, or anything close to that. Don't speak about what you know nothing of.)
Of course these workers can revolt, it's their right. But they shouldn't be surprised, or outraged, when they are easily replaced and their complaints go unanswered. It's the nature of the beast. This is a capitalist country and people need to understand the basics of capitalism.
I know we have veered off into tattoos and respect and other subjects. But I agree with you on the main topic  It is interesting to see people that observe but have not necessarily lived the life, comment about how others live. And feel like what they think is out there is the only way it is out there.
My mom was a high school dropout at 17. She got her GED and after working any and all jobs she could get, retired a few years ago working as a painter for a company making a very nice wage. Her worse job included being a janitor scrubbing toilets at night while she also worked as a waitress during the day.
I was also a high school dropout. I worked 1 or 2 minimum wage jobs until I got my high school diploma at 31. Pre diploma jobs were Taco Time (fast food), Taco Time and a car wash, Taco Time and JC Penney's, Circle K.
Post high school diploma jobs were DSHS, car insurance company, shipping supply distributor, health insurance company. As my education has increased so has my pay. Fast food/minimum wage jobs were never meant to be self sustaining for me or for my family. They were always seen as stepping stones to a better future.
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 4:11:32 PM
Holy crap on a time wasting stick.....after reading two train wrecks today.....
Some of you chicks sure you don't have a penis tucked in your legs, cause if you do, you need to pull that thing out and have a good ole fashioned pissing contest to see who is the better person.
I can vision all the players in my head, pissing all over one another. It's genius. Come on!!!!
I swear, if the group of pissers ever stops, I'll have way more time to devote to good things, like watching more tv!!!!
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 4:12:28 PM
I'd still like to see the statistic about the 91% never having to serve in a combat zone.
Here
I don't think I said 91% never have to serve in a combat zone. I think I said 91% of military jobs are non-combat, not quite the same thing... and I didn't see a date on the article so I'm not sure when it was written.
ETA: I just want to be clear that I meant no disrespect when I originally posted that stat. I was just taking exception to the fact that anyone who has had the advantage of the GI Bill, was 'taking a bullet for their country' My DH has been out of the military for eons. I was raised in a career military family, and support a strong military, but neither of those things makes me an expert on the military today. | |
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 6:24:29 PM
Many people who serve in the military are not paid to take bullets for a living. Sounds patriotic and sacrificial and all that, but many people who serve and have served are never in harms way.
holy cow, does it matter?!!?!?!? they have sworn to protect your very liberty!?!?! wtf is going on with the boards today?!?!!?  | |
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 6:52:55 PM
holy cow, does it matter?!!?!?!? they have sworn to protect your very liberty!?!?! wtf is going on with the boards today?!?!!?
Apparently, it appears...I think....that everyone thinks everyone else is wrong. On top of that, everyone is offended that anyone might be possibly offended. Additionally, being offended is offensive...and possibly racist...but I'm not sure. And on the other hand....oh fuck it. I'm lost. And probably just offended myself. That's it. I'm making a call out thread to call myself out. | |
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This board locked up last night when I finally had time to read this thread, so I've only gotten part way through it.
I'm going to shock some of you here and agree that there are companies who pay more to the very top than I think they should, and that I think they would be far better companies by paying more of that to their employees.
This is how the next company can come along and beat them at their own game, though......
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 7:08:20 PM
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 7:24:09 PM
calling them trash.
is based. If you recall, this was posted by Clee321
just to be clear - NO Clee321 DID NOT say anything about trash. |
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 7:24:50 PM
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 7:28:41 PM
Clee, you better get that screenshot ready.
I just said "OH MY!" and laughed after reading this. My 4. 5 year old wants to know why I am laughing! |
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 7:29:28 PM
I'm just sayin' .. I've been to this rodeo. | |
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 7:30:25 PM
Apparently, it appears...I think....that everyone thinks everyone else is wrong. On top of that, everyone is offended that anyone might be possibly offended. Additionally, being offended is offensive...and possibly racist...but I'm not sure. And on the other hand....oh fuck it. I'm lost. And probably just offended myself. That's it. I'm making a call out thread to call myself out.
OMGeeee! You are such a liar! I have been searching for your call out thread and I can't find it! You rumormonger!!!! |
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clee321
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 7:33:14 PM
is based. If you recall, this was posted by Clee321
I also have (somewhere in the pod) written about when I stood behind a woman who had amazing amounts of tats and judging her when she had that kind of investment in ink but was paying with the food stamp card.
And to be clear - If this was to refer to the paragraph below it then YES - I shared about the tatted woman who taught me a lesson.
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 10:27:32 PM
Government regulations are not the magic that some of you think they are. Every regulation has an intended and an unintended consequence...
I can go into my local Walmart and buy a knife from a locked knife display when I turn 16.
I need to be 18 to buy Sharpies.
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 10:32:57 PM
I'd still like to see the statistic about the 91% never having to serve in a combat zone.
Here
I don't think I said 91% never have to serve in a combat zone. I think I said 91% of military jobs are non-combat, not quite the same thing... and I didn't see a date on the article so I'm not sure when it was written.
ETA: I just want to be clear that I meant no disrespect when I originally posted that stat. I was just taking exception to the fact that anyone who has had the advantage of the GI Bill, was 'taking a bullet for their country' My DH has been out of the military for eons. I was raised in a career military family, and support a strong military, but neither of those things makes me an expert on the military today.
Thank you for the clarification and the link. I think the way that article is written is misleading for those not in the know. A service member can be working a "non-combat" job in a combat zone, and still get shot at everyday.
I don't know what recruiters are like these days, or what they are telling potential recruits about current military jobs and the level of risk.
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 10:33:04 PM
This is incorrect. Straight from the government website:
you have no idea what you are talking about. try again.
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TinaFB
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| Posted: 12/3/2012 10:35:16 PM
the obama phone thing was debunked long ago. don't argue affairs of which you are not current in.
This is incorrect. Straight from the government website:
Cell Phone Assistance
More cell phone
Original Obamaphone Lady
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Kim M.
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| Posted: 12/4/2012 12:27:12 AM
And I don't see that as condescending. Condescending is talking down to someone.
That is such an old, old joke that comedians (possibly Don Rickles?) used in their acts. Unfortunately, I think you were serious when saying this.
Huh? Why shouldn't everyone demand the respect they deserve?
Possibly it's different in your household, family or environment. In my upbringing, I was taught that respect is earned, not demanded and not deserved. That is why it is so easy to lose the respect of others...it's a gift that someone gives to you. I was also taught that the return gift for respect is humility and to have the respect of many should be humbling.
Batya, I respect your opinions, as you normally present them in a well presented series of thoughts to support your beliefs. I don't always agree with them, yet I respect what it is that leads to your belief.
I'm rather taken aback that you feel that you can demand respect and think that you deserve it. Like I said, in my humble opinion you have earned it from me. I think, though, that I lost a bit with these statements, on this thread. I really thought that you were a better person than that. |
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lucyg819
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| Posted: 12/4/2012 12:51:33 AM
Possibly it's different in your household, family or environment. In my upbringing, I was taught that respect is earned, not demanded and not deserved. That is why it is so easy to lose the respect of others...it's a gift that someone gives to you. I was also taught that the return gift for respect is humility and to have the respect of many should be humbling.
You can't force anyone to actually respect you. But you can most certainly insist on being TREATED with respect.
Batya may not have worded her statement perfectly. But I don't blame her for refusing to continue a conversation with someone who speaks so disrespectfully to her. I would do the same thing. |
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