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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:14:22 PM
Do you think you are prejudice?

I'll admit it. I am a snob when it comes to Educators ( no offense to the teachers here honest )I have always found princables, and teachers to be ass holes, that seem to think because they have been to school, and maybe gotten a Masters they are just better then I am. You aren't. I love my kids just as much as you do yours, I have great ethics, work and otherwise, I'm an honest person, I am charitable ( though I don't have extra money to give ) I give my time in places you wouldn't step foot in, your not better then I am just smarter in different ways.

Can you look at your self honestly and say yes, I am guilty of prejudging people too.

By the way doing that isn't always a bad thing if you just open your heart to everyone with out first judging them you will get hurt, maybe even killed so I am not here to say judging people is a bad thing. I just want to know how many of you have the honesty to say it.

Have at it.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:16:53 PM
If it's snobby to believe in self-sufficiency, the fact that people who in this country should learn English and establish that they are legally in this country, believe that welfare should be of short duration and only for the number of children a person had when they got on welfare, that people on welfare should have to provide a community service in exchange for the welfare and that a private employer gets to call the shots....

Hell yes, I'm a snob and proud of it.





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Posted: 12/2/2012 6:25:23 PM
I am.




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Posted: 12/2/2012 6:51:39 PM
No other takers? Gesh I can't believe how many people don't think they have any preconceived notions.

... No one.

I do respect those who answered... Thanks.

ETA : I would have contributed to this post earlier but twopeas would not let me in.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:12:16 PM
I can be judgemental at times, but I dont think that's the same as being a snob. If it is, then I guess I'm a snob too. I try not to judge because honestly we do not know the 'whole' story. I think ALL of us have had experiences or situations in the past that make us somewhat judgemental about certain things.

I've seen the disgust in others eyes as soon as I mention that my dh is a police officer. There are a lot of people that do not have warm fuzzy feelings for police officers (like I do).


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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:16:44 PM
No, I don't think of myself as a "snob".

I do think as a culture we are ethnocentric. As individuals we have our own belief system which starts with our parents indoctrination, our education and experiences,religious beliefs.

I think we all have a tendency to prejudge people even sometimes without intending to do so.

For example, I was driving on a two lane road and a car pulls beside mine and I see a big, black man looking at me. I felt fear and I know it must have registered even momentarily on my face. He smiles and waves at me and then I recognize him. I smile and wave back. I feel ashamed and hope he didn't see the fear in my face. I have done business with him for years and like and respect him very much. He knows my car because he services it but I didn't know what he drove.

I would never in a million years say or do anything intentionally to hurt this person. My reaction wasn't premeditated but it indicates a prejudice.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:17:15 PM
Before I lived in different parts of our country I had preconceived notions about people. Of course I did. I'm honest; it happens to most people whether they believe it or not.

In the South, where I grew up, I thought Northerners were horrid; loud, talked fast, blah, blah, blah. My Yankee friends thought I was slow and too nice when I first moved to NYC from the South.

My friends in Arizona had guys that wanted to date me 'cause of my Southern accent; they thought I would be super-sweet just because of the way I talked. All these notions were wrong.

The only way to get out of those preconceived mindsets IMO is to actually get to know and understand people who are different from you.




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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:21:24 PM
I don't know, I try not to prejudge people. I am just a working class/blue collar person. I have no post secondary education or great career. I have worked and been friends with people who have nothing but the clothes on their backs, and have known people who have grasped the 'brass ring' of success and have found things to admire and reject in all of them.

The one thing I do detest are people who take pleasure from hurting and humiliating others. And they can be found in all walks of life. I don't care how successful you are or are not according to society's current standards, but if you are mean-spirited and consistently impact negatively on the lives of others, I do judge you. I have no patience for those who seek to tear others down for no reason other than personal satisfaction.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:23:18 PM
Up until the last few years ago, I would have said that I was fairly un-snobby.

But around that time we decided to just consider moving from the school district DH & I were raised in to another town/district nearby.

And all of a sudden I felt like a complete snob. I knew that people who didn't live where we live felt that people living here were snobby, and I never felt that I was like that at all.

My parents were each raised in nearby towns on either ends of the general area of our state, and I had wonderful memories of both of those towns and I still visit one of them regularly.

But whenever we would visit a town with the idea of moving in our minds, or call a different school district for information, or look at homes in other towns, we would both look at each other and shake our heads.

Despite saying that the stereotypical "snobbery" of our area was one reason would might want to leave it, when we really thought about living in the other areas we both cringed.

And then I realized that I *was* one of "Those snobby people" from XYZ. But the thought of living in those other town made me feel awful. I just didn't want to do it.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:26:18 PM
Always found teachers to be assholes?

I find that shocking. I've met a few for sure and I really know a lot of them because my husband teaches...

But mostly they are just a cross section of society like everyone else.

I have seldom pre-judged people when interacting with them. It's counterintuitive to the relationship


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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:48:04 PM
Sorry, as a teacher, I had a hard time getting past the first couple of sentences.

How would you respond to a post that I opened with, "Sorry, no offense, but I have always found those without a degree to be lazy and worthless. Do you think you pre-judge people too?" You might have gotten more responses if you'd been a little more vague with with your dislike.

I think sometimes our perceptions of others have more to do with us and our own insecurities and hangups than with any actual behavior on the other person's part, or even with real prejudice. I think we are predisposed to dislike people we find threatening or that perhaps remind us of a part of ourselves we don't like. And I think that's true for just about everyone.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:49:26 PM
I find it fascinating that there are adults who find the entire teaching profession full of assholes. I'm not making fun of you, and I know you are not alone in this line of thinking. I just find it intriguing because I do run into a few people like that who come across my path. I think in most of those situations, if the parents come in and actually talk to me, I put them at ease.

I think every human being judges, but not every human being acts on those judgments. I try to be someone who doesn't just make real judgements based on superficial information.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:56:06 PM
Yep - I judge and am darn sure I am judged!

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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:57:54 PM
Wow. Seriously. Wow.

Are educators the only ones with an education that you have such disdain for? Because there are many, many professions out there that are equally, if not more, educated. Why just educators?




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Posted: 12/2/2012 7:58:17 PM
WOW....you're not a snob...you are a prejudiced person against ALL teachers and Principals???

I would bet that many of those teachers and others who are educators here posted responses to this post of yours



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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:05:24 PM
I'm a teacher and I can't get past the fact that you classify all teachers as "ass holes." I'm glad that the vast majority of teacehrs I know (myself included) aren't as judgemental or "snobby" in regards to the parents and students that we teach. I teach in a pretty low income school and I assume that the majority of the parents of the kids I teach are doing the very best that they can do with the resources that they have. I also treat each and every parent with respect. Just because I made the choice to get several degrees does NOT mean that I think I am any better than anyone. I really hope that your child isn't aware of your attitude towards teachers.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:12:07 PM
I think everyone makes judgements about other people, it's just human nature. But a snob feels others are inferior to themselves. I don't feel that way about other people. I might disagree with someones actions but that doesn't make me superior to them. So, no I don't feel I like am a snob.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:15:01 PM
Not at all about the things that Lauren mentions -- but yes!



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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:20:56 PM
You could say I'm judgemental I suppose. Like when someone posts is the morning that they're going to try a new church and then posts in the afternoon that all teachers are assholes, I judge.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:32:09 PM
I wouldn't call myself a snob. But I know I judge others. I've got a lot of judgement flowing right now for a person who writes a post full of grammar and spelling errors while criticizing educators.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:37:35 PM

You could say I'm judgemental I suppose. Like when someone posts is the morning that they're going to try a new church and then posts in the afternoon that all teachers are assholes, I judge.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:37:58 PM
We all have preconceived notions about all sorts of things, including people, based on our life experiences. That in and of itself is not snobbery; it's just a normal part of how our brains classify information gained throughout out lifetime.

What is snobbery or potentially prejudiced behavior is when we refuse to admit that not everyone/thing fits into our preconceived notions and rather than recognizing that our preconceptions are generalizations, cling to them regardless of evidence to the contrary.

Also, your OP opens you up to plenty of judgment and criticism based not on preconceived notions or snobbery, but on direct evidence of your character.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:41:06 PM


I wouldn't call myself a snob. But I know I judge others. I've got a lot of judgement flowing right now for a person who writes a post full of grammar and spelling errors while criticizing educators.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:41:31 PM
I judge. I admit it. And anyone who reads political threads likely knows many of my judgements.

And I, too, am offended by your comments re: teachesrs and principals.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 8:55:08 PM
I can't think of anything I'm a snob about. I'm happy with most aspects of my life but also realize there are people with more, better, richer, etc. Who cares, I don't need to feel superior to be happy.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:14:40 PM
I will stop and say I am not a snob , I don't think that teachers are inferior to me.

And for someone to insinuate that because my DD is in prison makes me a bad Mom would be the same as saying because someones DD has passed because of drug use was a bad Mom.



Wow. Just Wow.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:17:29 PM

I wouldn't call myself a snob. But I know I judge others. I've got a lot of judgement flowing right now for a person who writes a post full of grammar and spelling errors while criticizing educators.


I couldn't believe no one commented earlier on this.

Judging someone is not the same thing as a snob.

But I am judgmental and I am honestly shocked at your nasty post. You have a lot of very serious problems in your life and maybe if you gave educators more of (or any of) a chance, you'd be happier and more successful?

Because why are you really so angry? And at whom?


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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:20:07 PM
Yes, I judge people. Everyone does.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:29:15 PM
I'm a snob when it comes to grammar and spelling. And I am cringing at your op. I don't think I have ever seen the word principal spelled quite the way you spelled it....

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I am a salad snob. If you bring plastic, pre-packaged salad to a potluck you had better believe I am judging you.

ETA: oh, and racists. I have a hard time not judging racists.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:37:48 PM

I'll admit it. I am a snob when it comes to Educators ( no offense to the teachers here honest )I have always found princables, and teachers to be ass holes, that seem to think because they have been to school, and maybe gotten a Masters they are just better then I am. You aren't. I love my kids just as much as you do yours, I have great ethics, work and otherwise, I'm an honest person, I am charitable ( though I don't have extra money to give ) I give my time in places you wouldn't step foot in, your not better then I am just smarter in different ways.


Wow, I am sorry that the educators you've come in contact with have made you feel that way. I don't feel that way at all about the teachers I know.


Yes, I probably have some snobbish tendencies. I wouldn't say I'm particularly proud of it but I recognize it's there.



I find it fascinating that there are adults who find the entire teaching profession full of assholes. I'm not making fun of you, and I know you are not alone in this line of thinking.


I find this to be the case with law enforcement also. People (my parents for instance) think that people in law enforcement are arrogant a$$es. My friends dh is in law enforcement. He is the furthest thing from those characteristics. I remember being when my parents made this comment. And yes, they were law abiding citizens who never had any trouble with the law.

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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:40:04 PM
I have plenty and think them often but you really think I'm going make it public fodder for you all?

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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:41:32 PM
Of course I do not think I am a snob.

That's what I think about other people!


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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:52:24 PM
I don't consider myself a snob, but I judge people. I judge my own sister that lives with me. She's been on unemployment for almost 2 years and it's finally running out.

She's filing for disability, so we'll see what happens there. She can walk miles to get where she needs to go (no car), but somehow she's not able to work? Yah, I judge.



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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:57:59 PM

I'm a snob when it comes to grammar and spelling. And I am cringing at your op. I don't think I have ever seen the word principal spelled quite the way you spelled it....
Seriously?


I'd just like to point out that it was poor grammar to start that sentence with and.




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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:05:36 PM
I'm not sure about as holes but teachers are supposed to be arrogant because they have to tell people what to do 24/7.

A teacher who quakes and says I dunno what do you think? Gets chewed up and spat out by parents with PHD's.

A good teacher also knows how to read their audience, when to listen and inspire others. It's a skill which takes time to develop.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:06:49 PM
There is a difference between judging/evaluating someone based on their words, actions, etc, and being judgemental... I judge others all the time but I don't pass judgement... Judging is an important part of life - it's how I know which people are a good influence on me, who's advice to take, which company to hire, who to vote for, etc... I noticed the spelling and grammar mistakes in your post, would probably not ask you to help me write a document, but think that you would probably be able to describe a side of the education system that I haven't experienced... In judging you I see some of your weaknesses but I can also see some of your strengths...

Btw, my grammar and spelling are never perfect

ETA: In my mind judging people and being a snob does not go hand in hand... A lot of the snobs I've met don't seem to notice there are other people around to be judgemental of - they're just much too self absorbed...lol


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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:12:20 PM

But I am judgmental and I am honestly shocked at your nasty post. You have a lot of very serious problems in your life and maybe if you gave educators more of (or any of) a chance, you'd be happier and more successful?

Because why are you really so angry? And at whom?


I guess I am pretty angry because no matter how hard I have tried to learn what a teacher has tried to teach me for some reason I didn't learn and no one ever thought to try and teach me something I COULD learn, but instead called me stupid, retarded, lazy, weak minded, or something equally as bad. Many of you on the thread about minimum wage show that same kind of disdain for people who aren't as smart as you no matter how hard we try to show that we have ethics and dignity and pride just like the rest of you.

That's why. I won't hair flip and and back down from any of you. It opens my eyes to people who won't give me a job to clean they're house or office.

Thanks for asking though.


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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:22:19 PM
Some 'smarts' are easier to see or for people (teachers, employers, society) to evaluate, but that doesn't mean you aren't smart... You absolutely deserve respect... It sounds like you've had struggles, but it sounds like you take a lot of pride in hard work and try to be an ethical person... Those are wonderful qualities to have


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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:35:28 PM
You might want to skip my post because, I am a teacher with an M.A., but here goes anyway.

There are definite times where I am a snob and it is never when dealing with my students.


I guess I am pretty angry because no matter how hard I have tried to learn what a teacher has tried to teach me for some reason I didn't learn and no one ever thought to try and teach me something I COULD learn, but instead called me stupid, retarded, lazy, weak minded, or something equally as bad. Many of you on the thread about minimum wage show that same kind of disdain for people who aren't as smart as you no matter how hard we try to show that we have ethics and dignity and pride just like the rest of you.


So are you saying that you taught yourself to write, to spell, how to use punctuation all by yourself? Can you add? Do you know a little about this nation's history?


I don't what currently has pissed you off, but to attack a group of people like you did is not going to endure you to anybody.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:14:43 PM
There is a difference between snob and being prejudiced. A snob looks down on others that are not like them. I am not a snob and I am not prejudice. I just do not like everyone I meet. I have met extremely poor people that I love dearly and some I can't stand. I pick my friends on their personalities. Some of my best friends are teachers but I don't like some of their friends as they don't like me or some of mine. I have a high school degree only and I'll put my intelligence up against people with degrees any day of the week. I hated sitting in a class room. I love to read and learn. I am an artist and I do take classes from others sometimes and enjoy learning new concepts. It doesn't mean the person teaching is better than me, just that they use other methods.
It's the same with other people. I may not be knowledgable in their subject but I can be interested. Judging all of any one group of people is wrong. We all vent sometimes and wish we'd have worded our thoughts differently!

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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:15:03 PM
There is a difference between snob and being prejudiced. A snob looks down on others that are not like them. I am not a snob and I am not prejudice. I just do not like everyone I meet. I have met extremely poor people that I love dearly and some I can't stand. I pick my friends on their personalities. Some of my best friends are teachers but I don't like some of their friends as they don't like me or some of mine. I have a high school degree only and I'll put my intelligence up against people with degrees any day of the week. I hated sitting in a class room. I love to read and learn. I am an artist and I do take classes from others sometimes and enjoy learning new concepts. It doesn't mean the person teaching is better than me, just that they use other methods.
It's the same with other people. I may not be knowledgable in their subject but I can be interested. Judging all of any one group of people is wrong. We all vent sometimes and wish we'd have worded our thoughts differently!

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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:49:30 PM
One of my former superintendents liked to say that he'd never met anyone--ANYone--who didn't know something he didn't know, that everyone could learn something from everyone else. And he's absolutely right.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:49:35 PM
My daughters principal is an asshole with a capital A.

The three principals in elementary school have been awesome.

My school principal all 12 years was a hard liner but boy did he do his job.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:58:23 PM
I don't think you are a snob, OP - there may be some form if inverted snobbery going on with you, but you really do not fulfill the criteria for a full blown snob IMO.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:03:48 PM
I htink everyone is a snob about something. Something you are expert on, or where you live or how you choose to live your life.

It only makes sense... you will think your choices are superior.


I am from a family of lawyers and they all tease me about 'only' getting an MBA. They are kind of snobs about it. That's fine, I am kind of snobby against getting a JD because I have all these people with law degrees in my family and none of them are practicing attorneys. It's just silly not really important snobbyness and in no small part is there to make us feel validated in our choices.





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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:05:01 PM
Yes because I didn't post on either fiasco.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:13:15 PM

I'll admit it. I am a snob when it comes to Educators ( no offense to the teachers here honest )I have always found princables, and teachers to be ass holes, that seem to think because they have been to school, and maybe gotten a Masters they are just better then I am.


I admit it, I judge people who can't spell common words and paint a profession with a broad brush.

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