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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:16:05 AM
When I had my first, and she got her first set of shots at the doctors office, I cried along with her. It's really really hard, and I wasn't expecting to have to be the one to hold her down.

I have significantly manned up since then with my kids and shots. But. A few months ago my son had to have blood drawn for standard 2 year old blood work. Supposed to not be a big deal. But the lab I took him to had NO IDEA how to draw blood from a wiggly little 2 year old who was already upset about getting a shot. I had to hold him down while they repeatedly stabbed him and dug around in his arm to try and find the vein. After the 3rd stab and dig, they called in another tech to help hold him down, and another to try and get the sample. Holy crap. My son was absolutely hysterical, my daughter was crying and saying "NO, don't hurt my brother!", and I was doing the silent cry. After the 4th attempt (and failure) we were sent home and told to come back another day. I picked another lab a few weeks later, and the tech got the sample on the first try with just a little bit of crying from my son. We'll be going back to that lab in the future.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:16:09 AM
Sounds like my sister. As a child, she was like that any time she had to get a shot (in the rear end, back in the days). She actually kicked a doctor and almost bit a nurse once. My mom had to take her out, calm her down, and bring her back a few hours later. Seriously, till she was 12 or so. I can't imagine what it sounded like to everyone else nearby.

Fast forward a few decades, and lo and behold, she's donated gallons of blood. No more fear of needles, apparently.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:16:49 AM
It is the worst pain ever, ever.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:17:09 AM
I have three kids, and I have never experienced anything like that, except when working as a nurse. In my experience, usually the children behaving in such a scared way are picking up a lot of anxiety from their parent. It's very difficult I know, but the parent needs to really take a deep breath and be calm if the child (especially an anxious one) has any chance of keeping their own anxiety level down.

I feel sorry for any other children that might have heard all of that going on though!


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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:18:20 AM
Kids don't like shots. They just don't. Although my kid never screamed like that whenever he got one.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:18:37 AM
You block it out. Sad to say moments like that happen more than once in your life with kids. Sometimes it's heart breaking, like the time I had to hold my son down to get stitches taken out. It had to be done, but it hurt and he was too little to really understand.

Sometimes you just roll your eyes because it's mostly drama from the kid and not as big of deal as they want to make it. They are having a bad day or whatever, so you grit your teeth, hold them down, and then try not to be too annoyed when it's all over in two seconds and they are all "hey, that wasn't so bad!"


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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:19:01 AM
Try spending 19 years attending at Children's Hospital. Even the best in the business have those days when the child is just not having it. Yes it is tough having your child scream like that but most parents can get a better handle of them, some of us had a lot of practise and there are just lots of hugs and kisses to go around.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:19:05 AM
It's really rough, isn't it?

One crazy summer, I worked as a foreign language interpreter for a mobile Army Hospital ER, (I was a wide-eyed RN student at the time). I remember assisting this old army medic who was about to stitch up a nasty hand wound. Mentally, I was "feeling the pain" of this patient when the medic looks me straight in the eye and tell me, "Honey, sometimes you have to hurt them to heal them!"

I learned a lot that summer!

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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:22:47 AM
Thank goodness DS never did that. He didn't like shots but he seemed to learn pretty quick that if he had to have one, he was getting it whether he liked it or not so he might as well get it over with. Didn't mean he didn't cry some, etc. but he didn't fight it either.





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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:23:04 AM
DD used to do that with all shots, and she still does it with penicillin shots. She walks into a normal appointment and leads with, "I don't want a shot or a finger prick."

She is having a mole removed on Wednesday, and I am not looking forward to it at all.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:23:34 AM
Ugh. Hate it. My kids have never been that over the top screaming, but I remember crying when they got their shots as babies/toddlers, and my 6th grader got some boosters this past summer and I found myself tearing up again because she cried a little (a tiny bit - which she denies!).



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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:23:35 AM
It's heartbreaking for sure.

Shots sucked enough, but my worst screaming child epsiode occurred when my DD was not quite three year old had her space between her upper lip opened during a see saw accident.

It took four adults (including me) to hold her down; she was screaming so hard. I remember crying and hiding my face from her while singing that damn Barney song, over and over.

And she's 15 and remembers that day!



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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:25:41 AM
I hate that. It breaks my heart.

DS was always so stoic about getting shots, did not even cry getting his shots as an infant. He was seriously pissed though when he got his shots for school, one in each arm and one in the thigh. He gritted his teeth and glared at the nurse and doctor and said, "THAT HURT!" with fierce condemnation. He was not happy with toy afterwards, either.

However, get near his mouth...... Severe dental phobe..... He would whine and complain, and protest and they would just continue on..... I still go up with him and he is 17.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:29:01 AM
I had screamers...I learned to put my kids in a head lock...so the doctor could look at their ears...my son had to be held down for a shot til he was 9.

I just focused on the outcome...screams didn't bother me that much after a while...
you just hold and get it over with..

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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:31:19 AM
Don't you think you are a little too invested in a message board? You are at the doctor's office while posting this and you are posting about a child getting shots.

The last think on my mind would be posting here about it from my phone.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:06:09 AM

This is not something I've experienced. It's not even my kid and my heart is breaking! My god how does a mom handle it when it's your child screaming like that?!?! And you are the one holding her down?!?!
My children never once screamed like that. They knew it was going to involve a shot when we went to the doctor and that they were going to get one and any funny business was going to result in a punishment and they were still going to get the shot.

I have watched kid after kid be lied to at the doctor while we were waiting to be seen. No, it isn't going to hurt. No, you probably won't get a shot (when they were there in the well visit room which most of the time DOES equate to a shot) and so on. Why not tell them and let them deal with it? And if your kid freaks out, then do a topical numbing cream first and visually distract. That is what we did until the were 3 and we could have a conversation about a shot.

We were upfront, told them when they were getting a shot and that they could do what worked for them. One son does not like them in his arm, he prefers his hiney, but not all the nurses were trained in hiney shots (or comfortable giving them) and so we always made sure the nurse that was 'good' at them was there for those visits. The other son only likes them in his left arm because he is right handed, so we do it on that side. Giving them a measure of personal control but with the understanding that it IS going to happen goes a long way.

Our son was in a horrible accident some years ago and had to undergo some pretty painful procedures in the ER and the doctor told him he was 'doing great' and my little boy told him that 'screaming won't help it feel better and the quiet helps people think' and I swear to you, I beamed with pride. We'd said that to them so many times over the years and here he was, living it out!



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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:10:30 AM
I made my DH take the kids to get their immunizations. I would have made it worse by crying harder than they did. The one time I had to take DS, the nurse (who WAS a family friend) just jabbed the needle into his little arm. I asked her if it was necessary to be that rough. Apparently she didn't appreciate my question, because she hasn't spoken to me since then.

I had to take DD to the ER when she wrecked her horse. She broke her arm and split her chin opend. When the Dr. was giving her the painkiller for the stitches to her chin, I passed out.

Thank god for DH. He is much tougher than I am.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:18:04 AM
I have a needle phobic child.

It's not a matter of not lying to them or preparing them adequately. She is simply needle phobic. And she did behave that way. It's horrible for everyone involved.

Bully for those of you who never had a kid do that. I'm glad for you because it's heartbreaking, frustrating and embarrassing.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:21:55 AM

And, not that it's any of your business, but I am in pain rt now which is why I am seeing the dr. Concentrating on trying to type on this little phone screen distracted my mind from the pain for a few moments.

Your judgements don't hurt my feelings but just for the record, trying to make someone who is in pain feel badly in any way for a harmless coping mechanism is SUPER bitchy of you.

Also none of your business -- I am sitting at the pharmacy now and waiting for my pain med prescription to be filled. And so I am yes still in pain.


Wait, what? You never said you were in pain. For all I knew, you were there with a sick child or for a physical. Now that explains everything.

And if it isn't any of my business, then why are you telling me? Please don't answer, I'm just making an observation.

And typing *about* the screams is a distraction? Focusing on writing about the screams is a distraction? Not playing some phone game or reading a website, but posting about the screams is a distraction.... mmmkay.

Maybe you should drink more of that magic spell....

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:23:58 AM
Bully for you, Peabay, I bet you can get your child to take medicine without breaking down into a screaming crying fit. I can't

My son takes shots MUCH better than any medicine. In fact, when he was hospitalized this past September for an MRSA+ abscess on his lip that had to be lanced and drained by a plastic surgeon, he did much better with that whole procedure than he did with taking his antiiotics once we were home.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:24:20 AM
ugh...I hate it when that happenes...that type of situation is hard on the parent and the kid...

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:25:49 AM
I am more like "Oh for heaven's sake." I told all my kids it'd hurt and they just needed to deal with it. There were some tears, but I have ZERO sympathy for the kids who need 3 people to hold them down. Just do it!

I am a great believer in preparation. And bribes. I did tell the kids they'd get X Y or Z (ice cream M&Ms or extra TV or whatever) if they were good (good did not mean NOT crying. You can cry, and even scream, but you have to do it without being held down and running).


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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:33:59 AM
It sucks but you do what you gotta do.

I remember taking my dd for her first flu shot at age 5. She got away from me and ran down the hall and back to the waiting room with me chasing her. it was terrible.

However it was worse a few months later when she was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. The first shot at home involved her lying practically screaming so much I thought she would gag herself and on the floor and me and dh practically sitting on her while he gave her the shot. Talk about traumatic for all involved. Thankfully you get used to it real quick. And flu shots are SO easy now. The nurses at the pediatrician's love her as they know when we come in on flu shot clinic day that this is one kid at least who won't freak out on them.

So really it does suck but it gets done and they get over it.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:37:55 AM
Poor thing! I can feel that mama's pain... Vaccinations and blood draws are always a time of high stress for me. I try to make sure my daughter understands what will be happening and thankfully, her pediatrician has some very patient MAs who only administer the needles when DD is ready.

I'm extra cautious because one bad incident sent my brother into a lifelong battle with needles. He is 29 and has serious issues with shots and blood draws. In fact, he cut his finger and needed stitches a few years back and it took several ER staff members and a heavy dose of anti-anxiety meds to hold him down (mind you he's a BIG guy). He broke out in full body shakes and his heart rate got as high as 180. They had the capsule of ammonia on hand in case he passed out. His phobia stems from several blood draws as a toddler where they strapped him to a board because he was so wiggly. The blood coagulated before they could spin it down, hence the several draws. My brother has delayed vital blood tests because of his fear. Breaks my heart!

ETA for comic relief: DD had her 4-year well visit last month and the doctor gave her the choice to have four shots then or wait until next year. She wrinkled her nose a bit and busted out with,"Just get it over with!" We were so amused by her response that we started chattering and laughing and she interrupted with a quick,"I said JUST DO IT!" When the MA showed up with the vaccinations all in one basket, Madi laid back, closed her eyes and repeated to herself,"Calm down Madi...Calm down Madi..."

And one more thing...I truly hope you feel better soon!

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:41:06 AM
I'm lucky that DS is not like that with needles. He doesn't like shots, of course, but he tolerates them. But taking medicine. OY. It's like we are murdering the child. It's horrible.

We've never had a public scene like that but I do remember, in horrifying detail, what it was like for the 35 consecutive days after being born that he had to have blood drawn to monitor his bilirubin levels. Usually they do heel pricks, but because of his clubfoot, the blood flow in his feet wasn't great, so those didn't work (and after day 9, he had casts anyway, so feet weren't an option). So they had to try other ways and most techs aren't very skilled at drawing blood from babies any way other than heel pricks. Often they would have to try more than once. He would wail, I would cry - it was so awful. Every. Day. For. 35. Days. I am not exaggerating that the day we no longer had to do those blood draws was one of the happiest days of my life. I still get a little misty when I think back to those early days. I wish his first days could have been filled with peace, not pain.

It is so so so so hard when things like that happen; when you know you have to do it for your child's health, but it hurts them. It breaks your heart.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:42:07 AM
My oldest! It's terrible, she is an absolute maniac if you pull out a needle! What's even more bizarre is that she is ultra calm and logical, all the time- no teen dramatics, not a whiner at all, a really logical, calm kid. But get her in a drs office for a shot or god forbid, a blood draw and she becomes an unreasonable maniac. there simply is no reasoning or bribing- she is flat terrified (even though she knows better) and nothing can snap her out of it. I have to sit on her, and have someone else help me hold her down.

It isn't the pain, its just needles. I guess that's why it's a phobia- it's completely unreasonable, yet she can't help it. Its actually sort of funny to me because it's sooo out of character for her to turn into amscreaming maniac at the dr, but pull out a needle and that's what you'll get!

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:44:31 AM
Madi and me- DD now weighs more than me, I can see her being like your brother! nothing happened to prompt her phobia, though, it just appeared around age 4 and never left. What can you do?

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:44:40 AM
My kids have never acted that bad when they've gotten shots, thank God, but they have cried. It's hard.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:45:34 AM
slight hijack...my dd has had to ingest the worst tasting, most vile med in history (verified by her pulmo, lol): liquid steroids. No matter how much you have the pharmacy flavor it, the wretched undertaste still comes through.

Case in point: we were at the ER getting ready for a steroid when the doctor saw her freaking out in tears prior to drinking it. She told Caeley she could choose to drink it or have it in an IV. She chose the IV.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:48:17 AM

slight hijack...my dd has had to ingest the worst tasting, most vile med in history (verified by her pulmo, lol): liquid steroids. No matter how much you have the pharmacy flavor it, the wretched undertaste still comes through.

Case in point: we were at the ER getting ready for a steroid when the doctor saw her freaking out in tears prior to drinking it. She told Caeley she could choose to drink it or have it in an IV. She chose the IV.

I have no doubt my son would too! He HATES liquid prednisone with a passion. I didn't think it could be THAT bad, so I took a tiny taste. I thought I might throw up.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:48:43 AM
That's the worst - experienced it too many times and I don't have kids either. The worst was my nephew. The only thing that calmed him down was taking an ambulance ride cause he wanted to hear the sirens, he didn't realize it was for him! he was 4 at the time. But the screams that he didn't want go to the hospital, still ring in my ears.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:51:37 AM
I have one screamer and one who doesn't even flinch. The screamer has to be held down by me practically laying across her body to get a shot. She's a tiny little thing, only about 38 pounds right now as a 6 year old, but when its time for shots, its like she's a kid possessed. And she's always been that way. Now, the younger child doesn't make a big deal out of anything. She's easy going and just wants to check out the band-aid when it's all over.

It's hard though, having to hear other children or your own fight getting a shot. We heard a little girl screaming about a shot once at the ped's office and thought our screamer understood that everyone can hear and would hear her..She obviously had forgotten or just didn't care by the time her next shots rolled around.

I'm thankful for the flu-mist now!

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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:58:27 AM

Madi and me- DD now weighs more than me, I can see her being like your brother! nothing happened to prompt her phobia, though, it just appeared around age 4 and never left. What can you do?


Oh wow, I feel for you! It takes a lot of patient and understanding medical staff and a good dose of strength from loved ones to see him through it. I imagine it's the same for your DD. We joke around a lot with him (per his approval) and tell him that the lab probably has his photo on hand (a la a mugshot) and everyone requests the day off when he makes his appointments for blood work. He's able to find some humor in it and it actually helps to reduce his tension. I've had to go with him for moral support. My brother finds that watching videos of vaccinations and blood draws helps him with his fear. Before he has an appointment, he'll watch phlebotomy videos on YouTube and it's therapeutic for him. I'm pretty sure he has a standing prescription for xanax because of this. Whatever works!

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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:18:01 PM
I guess my pediatrician's nurses and I were a fast team - she'd say it, we'd pin them down and done - no prolonged talk about it, etc. - up shirt or pant let, alcohol swab, done. Mom needs to do her job and not talk him into it, she needs to get right over there and help out.

When they were old enough to understand what ice cream was, I always promise ice cream. Every time they get shots they get ice cream. Winter or summer, that's the deal.

I just never had any prolonged moments like that, I know they screamed but it was over so fast. I felt bad but I'd look at them so they weren't looking at the shot, hold them down and ask them what kind of bandaid or what kind of ice cream to keep them thinking about that instead and then it was done.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:23:58 PM
My eldest son has never reacted to shots and has always had a very high pain tolerance, until last year when he was hit by a car and needed surgery to repair the damage. Something about the meds they used, combined with the pain, turned the boy into a yeller. It was very unnerving to see my normally stoic kid screaming for pain relief.

My third son is the cautious type. Last year, he made a big deal about getting a shot and I basically told him to suck it up. He got me back by almost passing out after the needle went in. We spent an extra 45 minutes at the doctor's so they could monitor his blood pressure and make sure he could walk without falling. Punk.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:25:09 PM

Our son was in a horrible accident some years ago and had to undergo some pretty painful procedures in the ER and the doctor told him he was 'doing great' and my little boy told him that 'screaming won't help it feel better and the quiet helps people think' and I swear to you, I beamed with pride. We'd said that to them so many times over the years and here he was, living it out!




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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:31:35 PM
I have twins and my son wasn't a screamer, but my daughter was. I thought that was bad and i dreaded it until she was 4 and had surgery for her club foot. She woke up in recovery with a cast up to the top of her thigh and she was crying and screaming "mommy! What have they done to me!?! My heart was broken. Shots are no big deal to me now. She still hates them, but I don't even blink anymore!

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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:40:32 PM
My kids have generally tolerated shots and stuff pretty good, but I've heard kids screaming in the pediatrician's office a lot. The thing is, if the kid could just calm down, the shot doesn't take that long. The screaming and drama just prolongs things.

My DS had to get some booster shots a few years ago, and he was all anxious about it. The nurse came in with the syringes, and I said, "Hey, K, what do want for lunch afterward?" He turned his head to answer, she stuck him and that was that. He didn't even flinch!

For me, the worst ones were when they were babies. They did cry, because it did hurt, but they would look at me like, "Mom, why are you letting them hurt me?" Broke my heart.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:00:04 PM
My DD and I were at the pediatrician's office. She was about 11 or 12. The child in the next room started yelling "Don't shot me! Don't shot me!" over and over again. Then we heard a loud shriek followed by "You shot me! You shot me! I hate you! You shot me!" Poor little guy. We were trying so hard not to laugh. It's become a family joke whenever I take either kid (or the dog) to get a shot of any kind. "You shot me!"


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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:04:15 PM
Thankfully, the boy has been really good about getting shots & blood draws. He would cry when he was a baby, of course. But, once he was old enough to talk to, he did really well.

He never had to have blood drawn until he was older, though. 2 years old for a blood draw just seems crazy to me.

He went with my MIL & myself, when we were having blood drawn. So, he was familiar with what was going to happen, which was very helpful.

But, I remember, when he was old enough to reason with, to feel the stick of the needle when he was getting shots, because it really isn't that bad. And, that the idea of being stuck is much worse than any pain the shot causes.

Then with having blood drawn, I told him about what it felt like for me. Kind of a weird sensation when the blood is draining. He was so intent on being quiet, because he was curious if it would feel funny.

He was probably 5 or 6 at the time of his first blood draw.

I was always so thankful he wouldn't get hysterical at the Dr's or dentist's office.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:24:47 PM
I am thankful none of mine have been fighters. sure, there's been crying, but no total freak outs. My 7 year old dd has to get allergy shots weekly and has severe asthma. She's been through allergy testing, weekly shots, and several hospitalizations involving iv meds. She is quite the trooper. I don't even go in the shot room with her anymore(per her request). she says its embarrasing when she doesn't go by herself. she also rolls her eyes and I've had to shush comments whenever a screamer comes in for their shot. I had to explain to her it just isn't easy for some people and she needs to be understanding. She "got it" until she witnessed an older teen girl totally flip her sh!t while getting her alergy shot. DD (loudly) said, "Mom, she's WAAAAAAY to old for that!!! her mom should do something!" After the twenty minute wait we BOTH rolled our eyes when teen girl got in her car and drove away!!!



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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:41:13 PM
This kid sounds like me at that age. I never got quite to the point of screaming, but the very loud crying was heard by all in the building I'm sure.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:42:29 PM
I have two screamers. And hanging my head in shame I became one this summer. Four blood draws a day x three failed attempts at each draw pushed me over the edge. I go weekly now and have to lay down in kids room so I don't pass out. I still cry and it usually takes three tries to get it.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:42:30 PM
I think it happens every single time we are at the pediatrician's office!! My kids are always looking at me with wide eyes, like "oh man, do we have to get shots too?!!" Poor kids, I feel so bad for them!








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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:45:24 PM
I worked in a hospital lab and we had this crazy lady drag her kids in all the time checking lead levels etc. hoping to sue her landlord.

She point blank told her kids if they didn't shut up and let us draw their blood, she was going to leave them there and we would poke them full of holes with needles.

Yeah, how do you compete with a gem like that? No matter what you say, you are the stranger and the kids aren't going to believe you.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:54:17 PM
My dd never really acted like that over shots. We did however have a night where she got into a bottle of Tylenol at my mother's. It was only a minute but she had it all over her lips and tongue so I had no idea how much she had ingested. They had to pump her stomach to be sure. To this day I can still hear her cries and the look of terror in her eyes.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:54:48 PM
I don't know... my kid has had 30 surgeries & has a horrible one coming up in February. I freaking wish that he could be lucky enough to just scream about shots.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:05:00 PM
I always appreciated that my parents were honest with me when something would hurt. Even as a kids they'd tell me it would hurt for x amount fo time or go away soon or whatever. So I was never frightened of seeing the docotor and never frightened of bad things happening.

However, I had to have my tonsils out and at the time they kept kids over night and started surgery the following morning. They told my parents when to arrive so that they'd be there for prep. But then purposely started prep 30 minutes early so it would be all done by the time my parents got there.

They couldn't get my IV started. I had almost 20 sites and they were at my feet and inner thigh when my mom walked in and raised holy hell. I was scared of needles for quite a long time after that. It's traumatizing and even worse when you're used to having everything explained to you and they treat you like you're not even there.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:12:06 PM
You wish you could bear the pain for them, and that it didn't have to be done, but you also know that it's "for their own good" So you just do it

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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:14:48 PM

When my children were old enough to begin understanding what was happening at the doctor's office I started to tell them what to expect. I'd explain that they would have to get a shot. Yes, it would hurt. The shot was to help keep them from getting sick.

I always tried to give them Tylenol before we went so as to reduce the pain. While we were in the doctor's office I always acted as though it were no big deal.

My kids always took their shots without any troubles. And I ALWAYS took them out for ice cream afterward.

We never had a bit of trouble. I'm of the school of thought that the parents teach the children how to respond. I just acted like it was no big deal, and it wasn't.

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