I don't think I have been this mad by a story before....abuse of a child mentioned.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 10:50:20 AM
This is a case of gang rape of an 11 year old. One of the accused boys attorneys actually tries to pin the blame on the 11 year old girl!! WTF is wrong with this lawyer?

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Prosecutor-calls-defendant-in-gang-rape-one-of-4071150.php




Site of the rapes that led to 20 men being charged in the Liberty County assault of an 11-year-old girl. Cell phone videos of the attacks allegedly were circulated in the school district.

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LIBERTY - Liberty County prosecutors described Jared Len Cruse as one of a "pack of dogs" who gang-raped an 11-year-old Cleveland girl, while the defense likened the girl to a "spider" who lured men into her web.

Testimony in this case was over in a single day after Cruse, now 20, declined to testify and his attorney, Steve Taylor, rested without calling any witnesses Tuesday.

During opening remarks and the questioning of the young girl, Taylor stressed how she never shed a tear nor voiced a single complaint about her sexual encounters with any of the 20 males accused of assaulting her two years ago.

The girl, whose name was withheld because she is a juvenile, answered "yes, sir" when Taylor asked if she had been a "willing participant." She also acknowledged never making an outcry until questioned by authorities after graphic sex tapes of her encounters surfaced at Cleveland High School.

She had a slight smile and talked softly on Tuesday, although she did cry during the trial of another defendant when the sex videos were played.

A forensic nurse also testified Tuesday that the girl had told her about crying once during the assaults.

Taylor questioned whether the accused knew the girl's true age. He insisted that she had lied about being 17, the legal age of consent, but was unable to produce testimony to back that up.

Taylor asked Jared McPherson, who is serving a 15-year sentence for assaulting the same girl, if she had lied about her age to him, but prosecutors objected and he was barred from answering.

Prosecutor Joe Warren used McPherson to identify Cruse as the person on a video having oral and vaginal sex with the young girl.

In his opening remarks, Warren said Cruse was so proud of his sexual exploits with a child that he had his friends make a videotape.

"There he is with his face grinning at us," the prosecutor said.

Former Cleveland Police Department Sgt. Chad Langdon, who was the lead investigator on the case, also testified that an 11-year-old - due to her emotional immaturity - legally cannot give consent for a sexual encounter.

Taylor questioned why the underage girl had not been charged with anything for choosing to violate that rule, indicating that she was "the reason" that the encounters happened.

"Like the spider and the fly. Wasn't she saying, 'Come into my parlor, said the spider to the fly?'" Taylor asked.

"I wouldn't call her a spider," Langdon replied. "I'd say she was just an 11-year-old girl."

"I hope nothing like this ever happens to your two teenage sons," Taylor snapped back.


Warren asked Langdon what he would do if his own sons had been involved in such a case.

"I would not whitewash it or sweep it under the rug," the detective said.

Cruse is the second of 20 male defendants to be tried for allegedly sexually assaulting the girl over the course of four months in 2010 in Cleveland. The first, Eric McGowen, was convicted and received a sentence of 99 years in prison. Seven juveniles have received probation and six adults received 15 years in prison after pleading guilty in exchange for plea deals.

Cruse already is serving an eight-year sentence on convictions for aggravated robbery and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Closing arguments are scheduled for Wednesday in State District Judge Mark Morefield's court.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:03:25 AM
To be fair, we are talking about boys who were teenagers at the time of the incident having what they thought was consensual sex with someone who they thought was a teenage girl. There was no violence alleged, it was only "rape" bc of her age. I'm not saying that makes it right, I'm just saying It's not the same ad forcible rape.

I have mixed feelings about the charge of statutory rape.

I don't see the need to vilify the lawyer.





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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:05:07 AM

To be fair, we are talking about boys who were teenagers at the time of the incident having what they thought was consensual sex with someone who they thought was a teenage girl. There was no violence alleged, it was only "rape" bc of her age. I'm not saying that makes it right, I'm just saying It's not the same ad forcible rape.

I have mixed feelings about the charge of statutory rape.

I don't see the need to vilify the lawyer.






Are you kidding me? The lawyer is trying to place blame for rape on the victim who was eleven! He is disgusting.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:06:37 AM
This story happened in my hometown. While I do not, at all, condone what these young men did, and I wish they hadn't been allowed to plea out and should have instead received the full punishment allowable, I do not think the girl was just an innocent victim. A victim, yes, but not wholly innocent. She was known to strut around town dressed like she was grown and consistently lied about her age to everyone. She even admitted herself she was a willing participant.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:06:55 AM

I don't see the need to vilify the lawyer.




After reading his spider comparison, I do.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:08:57 AM
An eleven year old is not old enough to be held responsible for this, they just aren't.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:13:43 AM
I'm not saying the 11yr old is responsible for it.

I am saying there is an improtant and SIGNIFICANT difference between rape where a woman is forcibly/violently raped versus a case where there is no violence and the act is only a crime bc the girl involved LIED about her age.

A lawyer would be seriously remiss not to point out that difference in court. Yes, I think the spider comparison was in poor taste. But I understand the underlying argument and dontthink it's horrible.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:18:35 AM

She even admitted herself she was a willing participant.
Yes, but keep in mind that, as the article states:

due to her emotional immaturity [she] legally cannot give consent for a sexual encounter.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:19:41 AM

She even admitted herself she was a willing participant.
Yes, but keep in mind that, as the article states:
due to her emotional immaturity - legally cannot give consent for a sexual encounter.
Yes, and also keep in mind she LIED about her age and dressed so that they didn't have much need to question if she was older.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:27:01 AM
Regardless of what I think about the rape itself, I would not vilify the defense lawyer. It's his job. A job not many can do. Everyone hates defense lawyers until they actually need one.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 11:46:40 AM
I am so sad for the 11 yr old who was in a position that if she truly lied about her age, felt it was an OK thing to do. I don't think she really understood the implications of what was happening.

My brother served a long time in jail because he had sex with someone below the age of consent who lied to him about her age. He had no reason to believe she wasn't as old as she said.

It is a sad world we live in where young people need to show ID to have a relationship. What happened to the little girl in the article is not a relationship. It should have never happened. No child should ever live a life where they believe acting older and being in a situation like this is remotely OK.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:26:54 PM
I don't care how mature looking an 11 year old girl is there is NO WAY anyone including a teenage boy could mistake her for a 17 year old girl especially once they got her undressed.
I am horrified that anyone would even begin to make excuses for these boys and men.

and directly from someone who lives in her hometown

She was known to strut around town dressed like she was grown and consistently lied about her age to everyone.


It sounds like she was well known around town but these boys somehow had no idea who she was until they decided to have sex with her. Not buying it.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:32:44 PM

My brother served a long time in jail because he had sex with someone below the age of consent who lied to him about her age. He had no reason to believe she wasn't as old as she said.

I knew someone when I was a teen who probably could have sent quite a few guys to jail. She was 12 and very sexual active. She used to tell them she was 15. At that time, you could get a driver's license at 15. Her mother used to let her drive her car all the time and the girl was well developed so there would be no reason for the guys to not believe her when she told them how old she was. She went to an alternative school so that wasn't an indicator of her age either because kids of all ages went there. This was a school that many who weren't handling regular public school went to, not necessarily a school for troublemakers.

Not too long ago, I tried to find her. I was doing a lot of searches for classmates and decided to try to find some childhood friends. This girl died a few years ago. All I could think is that I hope she eventually found peace in her life.

All of this to say that because of circumstances that I knew about when I was a teen, the situation in the OP is extremely sad but I also know that it does happen. When I look back on the girl that I knew, I think her mother was more wrapped up in her own life, she was an only child so there were no siblings to help, and I don't remember ever hearing about her father.





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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:36:18 PM

while the defense likened the girl to a "spider" who lured men into her web.
Before I came to this message board, I NEVER thought I see a bunch of women who would agree with him.

Over the years, I've found it to be true over and over again.

Horrendous.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:39:57 PM

while the defense likened the girl to a "spider" who lured men into her web.
Before I came to this message board, I NEVER thought I see a bunch of women who would agree with him.

Over the years, I've found it to be true over and over again.

Horrendous.


I so agree and I am still shocked that women especially can think this way about a child. It is disgusting.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 12:52:10 PM
As the mother of an 11 year old daughter who stands 5'7" and could, with some makeup and the right clothes, pass for someone much older, I'm angered and saddened by this whole case.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 1:44:35 PM

To be fair, we are talking about boys who were teenagers at the time of the incident having what they thought was consensual sex with someone who they thought was a teenage girl. There was no violence alleged, it was only "rape" bc of her age. I'm not saying that makes it right, I'm just saying It's not the same ad forcible rape.

I have mixed feelings about the charge of statutory rape.
I don't really have any mixed feelings about it. This is a risk you must accept if you are going to engage in a sexual encounter with someone whom you don't know well enough to really KNOW how old he or she is.

If you are going to "hook up" for a one-night stand with someone you just met, you aren't just playing with fire. You are dousing the pyre with gasoline and lighting a whole book of matches on it: STDs, unwanted pregnancy with a stranger who may now be connected to you for the next 18-19 years, ending up with stalker who has attached to you because of the encounter, being physically harmed by the other person, and yes, charges of statutory rape if the "adult" with whom you THINK you are doing the deed turns out to be a child.

Any one of those consequences is unfortunate, but most of the time they could be avoided by choosing not to have the sexual encounter at that time. If you really are attracted to the person, there isn't any reason you can't date a whle and get to know him/her better. At some point, you are going to be clued in that something isn't quite right.

I know it sounds old-fashioned, and a lot of kids don't want to hear it, but having a caring relationship BEFORE you decide to have sex has a lot of benefits.

And before someone points it out, yes, you can get an STD or get pregnant even if you wait to have sex, but there is a much greater chance that you will have the opportunity to talk about taking precautions if you are not just in "the heat of the moment" when you first have sex with him/her.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:13:34 PM
Where is this girl's mama? It pisses me off that NOBODY was protecting this girl. From these guys. From the world looking down on her. Shoot, even from her own bad decisions. She was an 11 year old child. Somebody needed to be protecting her.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 2:21:35 PM

An eleven year old is not old enough to be held responsible for this, they just aren't.


I agree. And what was going on in her family that no one was there or seemed to care what she was doing or what was happening to her? Very sad.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:11:15 PM
He is a defense attorney, representing his client by attacking the credibility of a witness/victim. With a minor child or teen, that tactic doesn't go over well with jurors and judges, BTW. He is trying the "it was consensual" tactic and the "she said she was 17" defense. In most states, lack of knowledge of age is not a defense, even if the victim lied about age.

In reading the link, the defense attorney used the "spider luring men into her web" analogy when questioning the lead detective, not the girl. The lead detective answered it properly when he said, "No I consider her an 11 year old girl. "

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Former Cleveland Police Department Sgt. Chad Langdon, who was the lead investigator on the case, also testified that an 11-year-old - due to her emotional immaturity - legally cannot give consent for a sexual encounter.

Taylor questioned why the underage girl had not been charged with anything for choosing to violate that rule, indicating that she was "the reason" that the encounters happened.

"Like the spider and the fly. Wasn't she saying, 'Come into my parlor, said the spider to the fly?' " Taylor asked.

"I wouldn't call her a spider," Langdon replied. "I'd say she was just an 11-year-old girl."

"I hope nothing like this ever happens to your two teenage sons," Taylor snapped back.

Warren asked Langdon what he would do if his own sons had been involved in such a case.

"I would not whitewash it or sweep it under the rug," the detective said.

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The victim or other witnesses are not in court during someone else's testimony.

As a children services investigator/supervisor, I always knew I was "winning" a case when the defense attorney attacked me and my testimony. Not fun to go through.

"Consensual sex" can be illegal due to age of the victim, IE "not old enough to give consent".

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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:27:55 PM
I don't think a single one of those men would have walked away even if they "really" knew she was 11; which I believe they did know



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Posted: 12/3/2012 3:29:31 PM
I guess it's a double edged sword when an attorney is bound to provide the best defense possible for his client, especially when the only option is to attack the victim....but that doesn't stop me from wanting to vomit!

No little 11 year old girl (and they're ALL little girls) gets up one morning and decides it's time she learned about having intercourse with 20 men. This a child who may well have been a 'willing' participant, but ask yourself how she got to be that way at 11? This screams of not only a dysfunctional family, but of repeated sexual abuse.

I don't care how mature her body is, her mind is not even close to being able to grasp why she might even think it was OK to do this. She's probably been abused for so long that she thinks it's normal. Or she's so desparate for love and acceptance, that she's willing to submit to this kind of abuse....and it IS abuse.

I don't believe for one split second these guys didn't know she wasn't at the age of consent...especially after the previous comment about her being 'known around town'

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Posted: 12/3/2012 4:12:29 PM

ask yourself how she got to be that way at 11? This screams of not only a dysfunctional family, but of repeated sexual abuse.


I do agree with this.

I think, for me, in cases like this where there is no allegation of violence or force or coercion, it makes more sense for us, as a society, to focus our resources on counseling and educating the girl, rather than spending our resources on prosecuting and punishing boys who didn't set out to purposely have sex with a child. *That* is my issue with statutory rape laws - I don't think we're allocating our resources in the way that would do the most good.


I understand the need to help the girl, I do not understand the need to punish the boys.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 5:12:57 PM
I've done a little more research on this case. I've found the following:
* one of the assailants also used a beer bottle to rape her with

* in the background of one of the videos, a man can be heard saying, "beat that ho!"

* some of the assailants went to school with the girl, so the claim that they didn't know her age doesn't quite hold up. They knew that she was in middle school

* She was assaulted approximately 5 times. There are 20 men accused, ranging in age from middle school to 28 years old. Do the math here.

* one of the videos shows 8-10 men watching the girl being assaulted. they were waiting their turn with her. That's ONE 11 yer old girl alone with up to TEN men

* the assailants told the girl that if she didn't take her clothes off, they would have her beaten up

* the community where the assailants live rallied around the men, blaming the girl. One grandmother was quoted saying, "A hard dick has no conscience."


Y'all still want to blame the 11 year old girl and let the rapists free?

Unfuckingbelievable.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 5:45:10 PM
I don't care if she was strutting around the town in a bikini 24/7 - she was 11 years old. There is no way in the world an 11 year old should be mistaken for a 17 year old. They went to the same school and knew she was known to lie about her age. Just the fact she acted this way tells me she has probably been victimized previously.

As for the attorney, he is slime. Pure slime.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 5:47:32 PM
I haven't seen anyone on this thread blame the girl.

A few of us have shared anecdotes of people we have known who were lied to by TEEN girls. Big difference between teens and a child jusy out if grade school.

And tbh, I feel the parents of this girl bear some responsibility. If this girl had a reputation around town, then that falls on the heads of the parents.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:11:59 PM

And tbh, I feel the parents of this girl bear some responsibility. If this girl had a reputation around town, then that falls on the heads of the parents.


No, it does not fall on the parents. The responsibility falls on the fucking rapists. I can't believe what I am reading here. What if that was your 11 year old daughter? I don't care what kind of home you are raised in. The child, yes child, bears no responsibility. That sick group of assholes is fully to blame for this.

I can't believe people still blame victims. I don't get it.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:13:44 PM
Nobody is blaming the girl? Are you kidding me??


I do not think the girl was just an innocent victim. A victim, yes, but not wholly innocent. She was known to strut around town dressed like she was grown and consistently lied about her age to everyone.



To be fair, we are talking about boys who were teenagers at the time of the incident having what they thought was consensual sex with someone who they thought was a teenage girl. There was no violence alleged, it was only "rape" bc of her age.


I am saying there is an improtant and SIGNIFICANT difference between rape where a woman is forcibly/violently raped versus a case where there is no violence and the act is only a crime bc the girl involved LIED about her age.


Yes, and also keep in mind she LIED about her age and dressed so that they didn't have much need to question if she was older.


I think, for me, in cases like this where there is no allegation of violence or force or coercion, it makes more sense for us, as a society, to focus our resources on counseling and educating the girl, rather than spending our resources on prosecuting and punishing boys who didn't set out to purposely have sex with a child.

What is all that if not blaming the victim? She lied, she dressed older, it wasn't violent enough to be real rape, it's not really rape because she lied about her age and consented when they threatened to beat her up, they men didn't really *mean* to have sex with an underage girl. Yeah, no victim blaming there at all. All TEN of those men surrounding her, threatening to have her beaten up, having sex with her until she was torn and bleeding. . .yeah, that's totally normal and non-violent sexual behavior.

I am absolutely sickened here.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:17:59 PM

Y'all still want to blame the 11 year old girl and let the rapists free?

Unfuckingbelievable.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:18:08 PM

I don't care how mature looking an 11 year old girl is there is NO WAY anyone including a teenage boy could mistake her for a 17 year old girl especially once they got her undressed.



ah, but it does happen. when i was in 6th grade, one of my friends stood 5'6, had fully developped dcup breasts and hips, long hair. with makeup, she could EASILY have been confused for 17. she also was sexually active, and had been molested by a family member several years earlier when she started to develop. and that was in 1992, when we were all wearing grunge plaid shirts and jeans, not dressing as explicit as girls can now days.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:19:32 PM

I am horrified that anyone would even begin to make excuses for these boys and men.



Ditto. This thread makes me sick to my stomach.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:21:48 PM
Some of the responses on this thread astound me.

I'm wondering if those that are saying it's the girls fault or that the behavior of the girl is the parents fault have boys or girls?

I have both and if my son did what those boys did, I can say for a fact, I'd be beyond mad. I would blame him. There is no excuse for it.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:35:47 PM

Some of the responses on this thread astound me.

I'm wondering if those that are saying it's the girls fault or that the behavior of the girl is the parents fault have boys or girls?

I have both and if my son did what those boys did, I can say for a fact, I'd be beyond mad. I would blame him. There is no excuse for it.



I totally agree! WTH are some people thinking?? Even IF she could gussy herself up to look like a 17 year old (and I have NO doubt she could...I have seen some of my daughters' friends over the years who could easily make themselves look that age if they wanted to), but even if she could...and if she could lie to a boy she liked and say she was 17 and then they had sex, that is wayyyyyyy different than what happened to this girl. 10 guys at once??? With beer bottles, and egging each other on?? Some of those boys went to school with her??? Bullshit they didn't know she wasn't 17. Even if they had seen her around school and didn't know what grade she was in, 17 year olds don't go to middles school. What happened to that poor child is nothing but a brutal gang rape pure and simple.

I cannot believe that anyone is defending these disgusting piece of crap boys and men. Anyone here I mean.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:36:19 PM
An 11 year old cannot consent. Nothing else matters. Even if she walks down the street stark naked with an "eff me" sign tied to her neck. Case closed.
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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:38:55 PM

An 11 year old cannot consent. Nothing else matters. Even if she walks down the street stark naked with an "eff me" sign tied to her neck. Case closed.



Exactly!



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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:43:04 PM

Nobody is blaming the girl? Are you kidding me??

I do not think the girl was just an innocent victim. A victim, yes, but not wholly innocent. She was known to strut around town dressed like she was grown and consistently lied about her age to everyone.


To be fair, we are talking about boys who were teenagers at the time of the incident having what they thought was consensual sex with someone who they thought was a teenage girl. There was no violence alleged, it was only "rape" bc of her age.

I am saying there is an improtant and SIGNIFICANT difference between rape where a woman is forcibly/violently raped versus a case where there is no violence and the act is only a crime bc the girl involved LIED about her age.

Yes, and also keep in mind she LIED about her age and dressed so that they didn't have much need to question if she was older.

I think, for me, in cases like this where there is no allegation of violence or force or coercion, it makes more sense for us, as a society, to focus our resources on counseling and educating the girl, rather than spending our resources on prosecuting and punishing boys who didn't set out to purposely have sex with a child.

What is all that if not blaming the victim? She lied, she dressed older, it wasn't violent enough to be real rape, it's not really rape because she lied about her age and consented when they threatened to beat her up, they men didn't really *mean* to have sex with an underage girl. Yeah, no victim blaming there at all. All TEN of those men surrounding her, threatening to have her beaten up, having sex with her until she was torn and bleeding. . .yeah, that's totally normal and non-violent sexual behavior.


I think that these are details most of the PP did not know and were not considering. Given these facts, the incident changes dramatically from possibly being a case of the girl lying about her age and having consensual sex to what it really was. There were very few details posted on the thread about the incident, and most people were judging off of what the DEFENSE attorney said, which of course is going to portray the defendants in the best possible light, because that is the defense attorney's job. The other side of the story isn't very well represented on this post.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:52:00 PM
I wish I did not read this. And I do not mean the article, I mean the replies. I am stunned that woman and mothers would put even the tiniest blame on this 11 year old child. I thought as women, we have evolved...this thread is disappointing.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 6:58:39 PM
My comments on this thread were based only on the article quoted in the OP.

If the additional information is true, then clearly my comments don't apply. I was very specific in my comments that I was referring only to cases of statutory rape where there is no violence or force. I stand by my comments in reference to those specific kinds of cases.




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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:07:15 PM
This thread makes it abundantly clear why girls and women decide not to go to the police or an authority figure when they're sexually assaulted or raped. It makes it abundantly clear why girls don't go to their mothers when they're molested. Too many people in this thread should hang their head in shame.

What if someone asked YOUR daughter...
What did you do to make this happen?
How were you dressed?
Did you go along with it?
Did you fight hard enough?
Did you like it?

Or is it different when we're talking about your special snowflake and not an apparently damaged, unsupervised girl from some other place?

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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:07:25 PM
It is a sad sad day when women are justifying TWENTY men 20 raping an ELEVEN year old! And my heart breaks for her. I imagine her life was filled with molestation and other things for her to think that was normal. I think I take it even harder because I was molested at 11 every night for a year and I remember that pain to this day. I guess people could say I was to blame because I froze and never told him to stop but I know in my heart that isn't true. When people are using scare tactics and all kinds of things an 11 year old does freak. She was 11. And there were 20 men. How on earth can anyone think this is okay. Would it be okay if she were your niece? Or your daughter? Or would you justify it if it was your uncle? or brother who perpetrated this? And I am disturbed that there was a 28 year old hanging out with teens too. That is just creepy unless they are related.

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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:09:36 PM
Myshelly the article I posted talked about twenty men assaulting this child....numerous times, so you must have missed that.



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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:21:55 PM
The justifications here are astounding. The article says that there were TWENTY men involved in a GANG RAPE. What about a gang rape is ever consensual? Take age out of the equation, even. Who consents to a GANG RAPE?

The original article clearly says that FOURTEEN OF THEM SO FAR HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY of rape. Six of them has received 15 years in jail for this assault. Another of them has received 99 years in jail. All that information is in the original article. Seven juveniles involved have received probation. They have all been found GUILTY. Why is it not clear that a GANG RAPE occurred? How can you people continue to justify your responses?


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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:46:29 PM
I don't believe for one minute that a 28yo man could not tell the difference between an 11yo and a 17yo.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:49:20 PM

The original article clearly says that FOURTEEN OF THEM SO FAR HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY of rape. Six of them has received 15 years in jail for this assault. Another of them has received 99 years in jail. All that information is in the original article. Seven juveniles involved have received probation. They have all been found GUILTY. Why is it not clear that a GANG RAPE occurred? How can you people continue to justify your responses?


Either no soul, no reading comprehension, or not very smart.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 7:57:47 PM
I have a very advanced twelve year-old girl in my sixth grade class this year. And she has shit for parents. She is socially mature and is looking for someone to give a shit about her. She could be this eleven year-old, and the thought of any ONE teenager taking advantage of her like these TWENTY young men did makes me sick to my stomach. She is a baby. Those boys knew damn well that kid was young. And still they raped her. Because they are scum of the earth.

The fact that any of you would place even a sliver of blame on this kid makes me sick. You are seriously living in la-la land if you believe the shit that some of you have posted on this thread.

What if that girl was YOUR kid? Would you feel the same way then?


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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:02:32 PM
I just don't understand some of you...


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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:21:46 PM
My blame the parents comments go towards the description of the girl dressing older and having a "reputation"... In all likelihood this wasn't the first time she was victimized. It was probably by a close family member or mom's boyfriend. Her behavior was a cry for help. And the adults around her did not respond.

I have sons and daughters. I am also a survivor of abuse. My mom ignored the signs at first. It wasn't until he was arrested for abusing another child did she realize it was happening in her own home. I love my mom but I think she was afraid to admit what was happening. Yes, she has blame in my situation but I also have forgiven her.

I do not blame this girl at all. I blame the adults who were supposed to protect her and didn't, the males who absurd her and the jerk of a defense attorney who doesn't have enough sense to realize the minute you blame an 11yr old child for rape, you've lost your case and your soul


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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:23:59 PM

My blame the parents comments go towards the description of the girl dressing older and having a "reputation"... In all likelihood this wasn't the first time she was victimized. It was probably by a close family member or mom's boyfriend. Her behavior was a cry for help. And the adults around her did not respond.

I have sons and daughters. I am also a survivor of abuse. My mom ignored the signs at first. It wasn't until he was arrested for abusing another child did she realize it was happening in her own home. I love my mom but I think she was afraid to admit what was happening. Yes, she has blame in my situation but I also have forgiven her.

I do not blame this girl at all. I blame the adults who were supposed to protect her and didn't, the males who absurd her and the jerk of a defense attorney who doesn't have enough sense to realize the minute you blame an 11yr old child for rape, you've lost your case and your soul


That makes sense.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:35:37 PM
This thread makes me sick to my stomach. Both the story and the comments.


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Posted: 12/3/2012 8:39:03 PM
And if I were this girl's teacher, I'd blame myself a whole lot before I'd even consider blaming her. As adults, it's our responsibility to guide these kids. The adults in her life failed her, and a bunch of scummy teenagers took advantage of that.

That poor child. That poor baby.


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