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|  Posted: 12/6/2012 1:42:09 PM
also stated in the article on page 2, are the names of 5 other fathers who unsuccessfully attempted to get their children back from the same center.
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mapchic
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 | Posted: 12/6/2012 1:51:58 PM
Wow, that new article from the Salt Lake City Tribune about the agency involved is truly horrifying.
In addition to the constant name changes and the five other incidents of fathers being denied their rights there is this...
The center received harsh criticism in the ruling by McDade, who rebuked the agency for its failure to return Achane's daughter to him once he realized what had happened to her.
McDade also questioned the agency's requirement that the Freis pay an "advertising fee" of $9,800 to a marketing company, in addition to other adoption and pregnancy-related expenses it collected.
That business, Blue Sky Choice Marketing, was founded and is operated by Webb, who is the only principal listed for the firm in its corporate registration. According to that document, the marketing company is located in Cedar City and has been in business about two years.
While holding itself out as a nonprofit, the agency also requires clients to pay the advertising fee to Webb's other company, the judge noted.
This just seems more and more like baby trafficking. Treating children as commodities to be bought and sold. |
 
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 | Posted: 12/6/2012 2:07:07 PM
.But I surely hope if he is that he is not deployed somewhere and the baby has to go to another home to live. I did not see anything but I hope that he has a stable home life with lots of support if he is a single Dad
All single military parents have to file a care plan in the event that they are deployed. Deployment is a fact of life in the military and I do not for one second think the possibility of deployment should bar him from full custody. Military kids are very resilient.
And in all honesty, I'd rather have a child with a military father who fought this hard for custody than with a mother who gave the baby away without consulting the dad and while leading him to believe she'd had an abortion. What kind of asshole does that to a father? |
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And in all honesty, I'd rather have a child with a military father who fought this hard for custody than with a mother who gave the baby away without consulting the dad and while leading him to believe she'd had an abortion. What kind of asshole does that to a father?
That's kind of my feeling. A military child's life is not always easy, but she will be fine, unless mom is forgetting to tell us that he's a wife beater or a child molester. All she seems to want to say is that she doesn't like him and doesn't want him to have his baby.
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reneelcla
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 | Posted: 12/6/2012 3:28:27 PM
As an adoptive mother myself I don't feel sorry for these adoptive parents. Had that happened to me, I would have given the child back to the biological Father who was ready, willing and able to take care of his child.
Would I have been sad? Yes. Would I have mourned the loss? Yes. Would I have cried a river of tears? Yes. But my first thought would have been for that child. I could not have lived with myself knowing that a child I have was basically stolen from his/her father who wanted to raise the child.
I would NOT have dragged it out until the child is almost 2 years old and attached to me.
As the adult, I would just handle the pain of the loss.
In this case it is the adoptive parents who are causing pain to everyone involved (not to mention the biological mother who started the whole mess).
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| Posted: 12/6/2012 3:41:46 PM
the whole thing makes me angry. I think the agency should be shut down. And while I feel for the adoptive parents, according to what I've read, they knew that the father was not being informed and that this was a possibility.
I hope he gets his daughter soon, and that they enjoy the rest of their lives together!!
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| Posted: 12/6/2012 5:59:19 PM
I agree that the bio mother did her research. I don't believe she "moved" to Utah. She just chose the adoption agency and they had her come to Utah for the sole purpose of delivery and adopting out her baby. After the birth of her baby, I am sure the bio-mother got out of Utah as fast as she could.
I don't know what happened in this situation or if it is the current case now, but, years ago, adoption agencies would have the bio-moms come to Utah to have their babies, have them apply for Medicaid and charge the adoptive parents for the medical expenses and pocket the money because Medicaid picked up the bills. I guess they couldn't pocket all of the fee they charged the adoptive parents because there would be living and legal expenses. I am wondering if this is the reason this adoption agency has changed names so many times - Medicaid fraud???? | |
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I don't know what happened in this situation or if it is the current case now, but, years ago, adoption agencies would have the bio-moms come to Utah to have their babies, have them apply for Medicaid and charge the adoptive parents for the medical expenses and pocket the money because Medicaid picked up the bills. I guess they couldn't pocket all of the fee they charged the adoptive parents because there would be living and legal expenses. I am wondering if this is the reason this adoption agency has changed names so many times - Medicaid fraud????
Interesting.
I'm not sure they could do that today. Isn't there some rule that requires a woman to name the father before she can collect benefits so the government can go after him? I don't know for sure, but I thought that was out there today. In any case, it might not apply until the actual birth--maybe he can't be held responsible for the medical costs of the mother, but just the baby?
In any case, it does make you wonder.
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| Posted: 12/6/2012 9:27:44 PM
Isn't there some rule that requires a woman to name the father before she can collect benefits so the government can go after him?
Not in CA. The hospital social worker will probably pry and pry for bio father's information because it seems unreal that the mom doesn't know who the father is.  Unless the mom admits she's promiscuous, or admits she was raped, etc.
Social workers at most, try to get a name, last name and last known address and cross streets, but moms can defenitely lie about it.
It doesn't seem far fetched that the agency would do that (medicaid fraud)...it's certainly possible in today's day in age. | |
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| Posted: 12/6/2012 10:46:01 PM
***Before reading, please note: I understand that none of these circumstances apply in the case under discussion. I am just interested in the ramifications of adoption laws and how they are applied.***
Many years ago, a man sued his estranged wife. She was pregnant and wanted to abort. He wanted her to have the child and give it to him to raise. He said he would not ask for child support or ask her to take on any responsibility at all. He just wanted to raise his child as he felt was his right. The court granted a temporary injunction against the woman while they considered the case on a rush basis (I'm thinking a matter of three days). The man lost the case. The woman had the abortion. The man was devastated. He publically commented that his estranged wife had the right to kill their child without his permission, but if she had given birth she would not have been able to give up their child for adoption without his permission. Why could he stop an adoption but not stop an abortion?
This happened in Utah. I would not be surprised if current adoption laws here (regarding fathers' rights) trace back in part to that decision.
Please note I understand the two are not the same, and abortion is about a woman's right to choose for her own body, etc. etc. etc.
But I do think the man raised an interesting point. Where does a woman's right to choose end for her child? At the moment of birth? Or some time before that? Aside from killing an unborn child, can a woman ever legally make a life choice for her child without the father's consent?
What if the woman is in fear of the biological father? What if a woman is leaving an abusive relationship while pregnant? What if the potential father is a child sex predator whose crimes cannot be proven? What if she just thinks he'd make a horrible father? She can abort her child without consequence, but cannot give up the child for adoption without the father's permission. And if she tries to adopt out without permission but is discovered, she has then already given up her rights. He can sue and obtain sole custody of the child. To avoid that outcome, unless she wants to abort, she must raise the child herself. In effect, he can force her to keep and raise his child, no matter what.
***Again, please note: I understand that none of these circumstances apply in the case under discussion. I am just interested in the ramifications of adoption laws and how they are applied.***
It's all very complicated. Lots of complicated questions, no simple answers. I'm glad I'm not writing the laws. | |
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LovMelrose
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 | Posted: 12/6/2012 11:15:57 PM
That baby belongs with her bio father. Painful and unfortunate for the adoptive parents but it's the right thing.
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