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Peabay Happy now? PeaNut 156,993 July 2004 Posts: 44,661 Layouts: 13 Loc: Connecticut
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I hope I don't regret asking about this.
Our puppy trainer recommended bully sticks for our puppy. I bought some today (the kind with no scent) and it's been like crack for him. We can barely get him to move off his bed to do anything other than gnaw on this stick.
So I let him chew it for about 1/2 hour and then distract him with something else...but I feel guilty. I feel like a mom letting the baby sit in front of the TV - like I'm doing something wrong giving him something that is so distracting (and so gross - I made the mistake of googling to find out what was in them.)
Is this a typical reaction for a dog - to be that obsessed with a bully stick? And should I just be thankful that for the time he's chewing it, I can actually get things done around the house and not have to be hovering over him? |
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mad_madam_mim BucketHead PeaNut 363,175 February 2008 Posts: 590 Layouts: 0 Loc: at my computer
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I would say it's a typical reaction. Our cattle dog is the exact same way, he gets one and goes right through it, completely engrossed in it until it's gone. The habit can get expensive in my opinion (for dog treats anyway) versus how long it actually lasts, so we only get them for him occasionally now. He's in heaven when he has one though and they are a nice distraction! |
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WannaPea No Peas for you ! Come back one year! PeaNut 151,172 June 2004 Posts: 26,841 Layouts: 175 Loc: In my PJ's
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From what I understand, they are good for dogs, especially pups---those pups can start chewing on lots of other things if not occupied with something else.
Believe me, in the course of my life, I've had many a dog I wish could have been occupied by something like that!
And YES, a dog is most certainly able to be obsessed with a chewing stick! Perfectly natural and normal for a canine. |
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cmpeter PEAceful Pea PeaNut 14,521 April 2001 Posts: 34,366 Layouts: 31 Loc: Washington State
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We had to stop giving them to our dog. She would chew on them for a bit and then go dig in the backyard to bury them. I bet we have a dozen or so hidden all over our backyard. |
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AKathy Peaing From Podunk PeaNut 45,443 August 2002 Posts: 14,567 Layouts: 93 Loc: North Dakota
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Yes, Stella does the same thing with bully sticks. I say take it as a good opportunity to get something done. |
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mamato1 PEA-vil Genius PeaNut 54,808 November 2002 Posts: 12,243 Layouts: 138 Loc: Sweet Home Chicago
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Juno likes the bulky sticks but not that much. She does have treats she fixates on to that degree, though. |
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mabel BucketHead PeaNut 27,880 January 2002 Posts: 792 Layouts: 22 Loc: Virginia
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It's normal dog love bully stick |
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CTPea PeaAddict PeaNut 181,315 December 2004 Posts: 1,859 Layouts: 22 Loc: Connecticut
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Oh yes perfectly normal. Don't feel guilty. Mine is 3 and goes thru it in minutes cuz she loves them so much. If you're that concerned get your pup the smallest ones if it's taking him/her a while to finish it. |
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grammanisi peaing from my beach room PeaNut 142,772 April 2004 Posts: 8,918 Layouts: 3 Loc: Northern Indiana...Fighting Irish Country
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Both of our dogs are the same way. I love giving them new treats to chew on! |
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**JoJam** Peace Out Girl Scout PeaNut 80,420 April 2003 Posts: 9,842 Layouts: 75 Loc: monitoring lucy
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I read somewhere that, for a dog, chewing a bone is the equivalent to a human doing a crossword puzzle. And yes, my dog can get pretty engrossed with chewing. Her eyes almost glaze over while she's chewing. |
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Normal. Our dog loves them. Me, on the other hand....not so much. They freaking STINK! But, keeps him occupied! We usually save bully sticks when we are doing something and don't want him to bother us  | |
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Peabay Happy now? PeaNut 156,993 July 2004 Posts: 44,661 Layouts: 13 Loc: Connecticut
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Awesome.
I'm now guilt free!
He's SUCH a good puppy, but he likes to chew on my family room coffee table and climb up on the couch, so we have to keep our eyes on him at all times - this is such a welcome distraction.
Oh, and here's a picture of him, because he's so cute:
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Edgy Coolness PeaFixture PeaNut 365,853 March 2008 Posts: 3,514 Layouts: 0 Loc: Dallas, Texas
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I get the ones made from Beef Tendon but at 2.50 a pop they are expensive. Posh will be getting some for Christmas. Buddy could care less his "crack" is human food, specifically cheese. |
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Peabay Happy now? PeaNut 156,993 July 2004 Posts: 44,661 Layouts: 13 Loc: Connecticut
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I get the ones made from Beef Tendon but at 2.50 a pop they are expensive.
Ooh, that is. I paid 1.99 today. And I read you can get 20 for 20.00 at Costco, so I may swing by there tomorrow and get more.
But it'll just be an occasional treat. He's getting kind of Golem-ish "my precious" over it and it creeps me out. |
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*Delphinium Twinkle* I'm just a pea:) PeaNut 163,613 August 2004 Posts: 68,231 Layouts: 236 Loc: *Sunny Southern California*
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Peabay, he's adorable! |
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batya Making the WWW better, one post at a time. PeaNut 59,094 December 2002 Posts: 31,825 Layouts: 24 Loc: up on my high horse
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BLECH! Our trainer recommended them, a kong as well as compressed rawhide. Can I tell you Lucky loved them. They stank like the devil an I don't even have good sense of smell. Her tools were also loose and less predictable. So after I bought a huge package of them, I did the bones and the kong and donated the bully sticks to the shelter. |
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batya Making the WWW better, one post at a time. PeaNut 59,094 December 2002 Posts: 31,825 Layouts: 24 Loc: up on my high horse
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Our trainer also said to be sure you go and take it away and then give it back so the dog doesn't become possessive over it and learns to trust you that you will give things back to the pup. |
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Peabay Happy now? PeaNut 156,993 July 2004 Posts: 44,661 Layouts: 13 Loc: Connecticut
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Our trainer also said to be sure you go and take it away and then give it back so the dog doesn't become possessive over it and learns to trust you that you will give things back to the pup.
Yeah, that's when I realized how nuts he was about it. He growled at me aggressively when I tried to take it (or just asked for it.)
I bought them specifically because our trainer wanted us to work with McFly on trust and showing him that we will give things back to him.
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Captain K AncestralPea PeaNut 247,594 February 2006 Posts: 4,495 Layouts: 0
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So cute! What kind of dog? | |
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Peabay Happy now? PeaNut 156,993 July 2004 Posts: 44,661 Layouts: 13 Loc: Connecticut
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He's a mini goldendoodle. |
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pjaye The only happy ending will be mine PeaNut 111,502 October 2003 Posts: 6,177 Layouts: 59 Loc: Vic, Australia
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And this is how puppy mills and backyard breeders stay in business.
Even when people know better they still choose the unethical option. | |
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batya Making the WWW better, one post at a time. PeaNut 59,094 December 2002 Posts: 31,825 Layouts: 24 Loc: up on my high horse
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He looks like a teddy bear! Adorable.
signed,
someone who got her puppy from the ethically approved higher moral road rescue/shelter option and would only ever do that BUT Peabay asked a question and posted a picture of her gorgeous puppy and I am responding about a bully stick so you can take one and shove it up yours Pjaye
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**JoJam** Peace Out Girl Scout PeaNut 80,420 April 2003 Posts: 9,842 Layouts: 75 Loc: monitoring lucy
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He is adorable. I covet him! |
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scrappammie PeaAddict PeaNut 208,055 June 2005 Posts: 1,012 Layouts: 2 Loc: not stuck in tiny town anymore!
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And this is how puppy mills and backyard breeders stay in business.
Even when people know better they still choose the unethical option.
pjaye -
I'm about as pro-animal (domestic pet and otherwise) as they come, and unless you are Peabay's confidante, you don't have a clue where and how she selected this puppy.
Not all private breeders are "backyard" or "puppy mills" and some actually give support to shelters - which I assume is what you are referring to as the ethical option.
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Knotlazy StuckOnPeas PeaNut 266,627 June 2006 Posts: 2,915 Layouts: 0
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I don't know exactly what "bully sticks" are...but I'm assuming they are rawhide chew sticks.
I buy some from Target...they are processed in America which may not be really better, but I think that is better than the ones processed in China or Mexico or Boliva...or wherever.
They don't stink or stain the carpet.
I have two doxies (sometimes 3 if Dd's pup is staying with me) and I'll give each of them one in the afternoon. The older female is a stick horder...she will chew her's, then wait until the other dogs turn away from their's and she will steal their's and sit on them.
Cracks me up! The male and the pup will only really chew one that the older female has started chewing on...so it's like a chinese fire drill when someone moves away from their stick.
I regularly take the stick from their mouth...and sometimes give it to another dog...just to show them I'm domanint (sp?) but they all get one to chew.
The ones I buy are about 5" long...not big, but my dogs are not big.
Your puppy is adorable! I don't care where you got him. I have one doxie that I rescued from someone who wasn't able to take proper care of her, and the other two were pups from breeders. But I donate to my local shelter and would adopt if I had room for a bigger dog.
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batya Making the WWW better, one post at a time. PeaNut 59,094 December 2002 Posts: 31,825 Layouts: 24 Loc: up on my high horse
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Eh-if someone truly cared about convincing people to adopt from shelters and rescues, they wouldn't use the bitch-attack-holier-than-thou-method that Pjaye is so fond of. Some how it makes her feel better about herself to slam others. It's her pea-modus operandi and has worked oh-so-well thus far.
So lets just get back to Sir Teddy Bear and his obesession with the nasty stank-ass bully sticks and WTH Peabay is supposed to do about it.  |
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batya Making the WWW better, one post at a time. PeaNut 59,094 December 2002 Posts: 31,825 Layouts: 24 Loc: up on my high horse
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And while we're at it, can someone tell me, besides keeping the bathroom door closed, how to keep my shelter lhasa-wheaten-terrier-mix-apso mutt out of the bathtub? B/c that's HER new obsession!  |
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kma StuckOnPeas PeaNut 1,443 September 1999 Posts: 2,257 Layouts: 9
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True bully sticks are made from bull testicles. LOL! I get them at doggy daycare and have ordered them on Amazon. The ones we get are about 12" long and are $5.99 each. I only get them for special times like I need to do something or we have to ride in the car. |
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needmysanity PeaFixture PeaNut 380,372 June 2008 Posts: 3,954 Layouts: 3
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I have never heard of them so I goggled them...they are made from bull penises?????
I'm thinking of trying them - Stella loves to chew and we give her things to chew on but these seem a bit better for her.
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TinaFB the lunatics have taken over the asylum PeaNut 25,135 November 2001 Posts: 25,626 Layouts: 349 Loc: Maryland
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My dog loves those things. She buries them in my bed, which is just lovely to discover at 3am. Nothing like a gooey chewy on my toes!
And she's a "designer" dog too. . .a bichon-poo. I'll stand in solidarity with you in unethical dog ownership.  |
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lascrapper PeaAddict PeaNut 12,690 March 2001 Posts: 1,718 Layouts: 0 Loc: Minnesota
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Just to lighten up the conversation, I thought bully sticks were beef p*nises! Our dog food vendor (small business owner, delivers the food to our door) says he's tasted everything he sells...EXCEPT the bully sticks! |
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mirabelleswalker My president has 6-pack abs. PeaNut 175,521 November 2004 Posts: 10,941 Layouts: 14 Loc: Here today, gone to Morocco.
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That dog is adorable!
Bully sticks = baby sitters (and also = bull penis, but whatever works!) |
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secretagent PeaNut PeaNut 573,920 December 2012 Posts: 89 Layouts: 0
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Am I a bad doggie momma because I have never heard of "bully sticks"? | |
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Peabay Happy now? PeaNut 156,993 July 2004 Posts: 44,661 Layouts: 13 Loc: Connecticut
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Oh, BF - get some! This dog kept himself busy for an hour tonight. He follows me around the house and every room I went I to, he followed me with the bully stick hanging out of his mouth like a cigar.
Be sure to get the unscented/unflavored ones.
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pjaye The only happy ending will be mine PeaNut 111,502 October 2003 Posts: 6,177 Layouts: 59 Loc: Vic, Australia
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Again, I am not here to try to convince anyone of anything.
It's my opinion and I am going to post it - like it or not (and I am well aware some people don't like it)
Peabay has 43,000 posts, not exactly new to this forum and she acknowledged in the first post that this would probably happen. That's why she tried to hide the new puppy post under a different title.
I've been around a while as well, I knew the insults would be forthcoming - go for it, they have no effect on me.
To be fair, I think this puppy will be well treated and loved...that isn't my issue.
It's the choices people deliberately make even when they know better, somehow they (and others) can always convince themselves they are not a part of the problem.
"Mini golden labradoodles" are NOT a breed. They are what people 'create' to make money, put a bunch of cute dogs together to make fluffy little puppies that people will buy and pay hundreds of dollars for...and people continue to buy them. Keeps the puppy mill business and unethical breeders going.
Meanwhile at the shelter, those older puppies who are no longer cute or the impulse buy has worn off are being injected...
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smkerry :::: K Pea :::: PeaNut 69,622 February 2003 Posts: 10,695 Layouts: 151 Loc: right here
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I have never heard of them so I goggled them...they are made from bull penises?????
Oh boy. The things I learn from 2Peas...yes, I googled it too. I also read about how they are manufactured, dried, smoked, braided...that is, uh, interesting.
I was more surprised that I hadn't heard of them either and had to find out if I needed to go buy some for my dog.  |
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batya Making the WWW better, one post at a time. PeaNut 59,094 December 2002 Posts: 31,825 Layouts: 24 Loc: up on my high horse
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gain, I am not here to try to convince anyone of anything.
That's why she tried to hide the new puppy post under a different title.
I've been around a while as well, I knew the insults would be forthcoming - go for it, they have no effect on me.
It's the choices people deliberately make even when they know better, somehow they (and others) can always convince themselves they are not a part of the problem.
Meanwhile at the shelter, those older puppies who are no longer cute or the impulse buy has worn off are being injected...
You are out of your freaking mind. This is not her new puppy post. She posted that a long while back. You obviously missed it and your opportunity to flip out and post your opinions there.
This is about bully sticks. That is why the title is, um, bully sticks. Detective Clouseau.
At least you admit you're not trying to convince anyone one of anything and you just want to be a bitch. That wasn't lost on any of us.
What you also don't realize is that either Peabay was getting this dog or no dog. She wasn't getting a shedding dog, a larger dog or an older dog. She researched what she wanted, what was right for her and her family and she got it.
We got it. Peabay and Tina are part of the puppy over-population problem. You are part of the nasty bitch problem. Everybody owns what they are doing. Happy now?
ETA: She never acknowledged that YOU and your type of drama would happen. She said she would be sorry for asking about the bully sticks and what is she supposed to do now that she introduced this crack-like substance to her dog. Stop looking for things that aren't there.
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Chlerbie Lover of Tubas PeaNut 14,100 April 2001 Posts: 11,887 Layouts: 86 Loc: Gone to Chemo with BethAnne
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My dog LOVES those and I love that she's happy and occupied. I pull 'em out on days when it's rainy and icky outside and she can't go out and strut her stuff around the neighborhood as much.
And I agree--shelter dogs are wonderful but sometimes you know exactly what you want and there's nothing wrong with making that choice either. My dog is a Chiweenie--one of those "designer" breeds, too. She was found and given to us, but I wouldn't hesitate to either recommend this breed or to get one in the future. She has the best traits of both dachshunds and chihuahuas and we've been very happy with this BREED. |
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weesheepea BucketHead PeaNut 488,494 November 2010 Posts: 723 Layouts: 32 Loc: Texas, ya'll
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That is one cute woofie for sure!
I have never heard of bully sticks, so will need to go get some for our girl; if they are anything like DentaStix she'll go bananas for those too.
I also just added someone else to my ignore list. Love that option. |
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mirabelleswalker My president has 6-pack abs. PeaNut 175,521 November 2004 Posts: 10,941 Layouts: 14 Loc: Here today, gone to Morocco.
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We got it. Peabay and Tina are part of the puppy over-population problem. You are part of the nasty bitch problem. Everybody owns what they are doing. Happy now?
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BuckeyeSandy Old Dogs are Best! PeaNut 92,987 June 2003 Posts: 22,363 Layouts: 364 Loc: With my dogs
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Our Maggie will chew on them till she's sick, have to watch and limit ours. |
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Just make sure that you buy the ones that are made in the USA!!! | |
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Mary Mary NOT IN UTAH PeaNut 140,474 April 2004 Posts: 34,769 Layouts: 13 Loc: Pemberley
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We would not be able to adopt from a shelter even if we wanted to. It is not an option for every family. I think that if people are getting dogs from responsible breeders (not puppy mills) and taking good care of them, it really isn't anyone's place to judge.
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TinaFB the lunatics have taken over the asylum PeaNut 25,135 November 2001 Posts: 25,626 Layouts: 349 Loc: Maryland
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Can you imagine having the job collecting the bull penises at the slaughter house? What would you put on your resume for that one?
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batya Making the WWW better, one post at a time. PeaNut 59,094 December 2002 Posts: 31,825 Layouts: 24 Loc: up on my high horse
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I am SO GLAD I gave those bully sticks to the shelter. It was a huge bag of them. OMG. |
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gale w shiny farmwife PeaNut 40,275 June 2002 Posts: 21,334 Layouts: 52 Loc: Indiana
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Our dog LOVES bully sticks. They're so expensive though, so I don't buy them often. We bought them when we were on vacation for my sister's dogs and she was mock-horrified when I told her what they were made of. |
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gmcwife1 SamFan PeaNut 33,625 March 2002 Posts: 7,974 Layouts: 0 Loc: Washington State
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True bully sticks are made from bull testicles.
Yes, and they are much better than rawhide for the dogs to chew.
Our dogs get one 6" bully a day as part of their morning routine.
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Bully sticks are my dog's crack too. I just have to say "bully stick" and her eyes pop out of her head with excitement. I buy them because unlike rawhide they are completely digestible.I do save them as a last resort. When she is tired of fetch and tug of war and won't calm down it's time for a bully stick. I buy them here ...
http://www.bestbullysticks.com/
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lalakme oPEAra singer PeaNut 161,924 August 2004 Posts: 11,201 Layouts: 186 Loc: The U.P.
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My dog loves them, too. As a puppy, she could work on one for days, but now that her adult teeth are in she can get through one in less than an hour. I only buy her two a week, and use them when I really need her to be occupied with something.
She had one the other day that DH gave her, and she pretty much ignored me when I came home because of it. That's pretty big, since she greets everyone who comes home more enthusiastically than I've ever seen any dog greet anyone. Bull stick trumps favorite human walking through the front door!
And Batya, I found some that don't stink at WalMart. They come in a pack of two for $4.98. I'm going to have to call my mom and see if she will get me some at Costco now that I read about the 20 for 20 (we don't have a Costco within about seven hours). Our local pet store has some that don't seem to stink much either, but they are $4.00 apiece for 6 inches. Whatever I bought at ShopKo was stunk to the high heavens and I will never get that brand again! Ugh. |
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