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Posted: 2/5/2013 7:51:24 PM

Was Travis the best boyfriend? Certainly not.

Did that give Jodi Arias license to stab him 27 times, slit his throat and shoot him in the head? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I feel that the ex-boyfriend the prosecution called to the stand refuted ALL of Jodi's claims that Travis forced her to do things sexually that she did not want to do. They dated long before she met Travis, and the boyfriend testified that they had anal sex several times, that Jodi was "aggressive sexually" and was certainly no babe in the woods when she met Travis Alexander.

Jodi is grasping for straws, IMO.



I agree with you 100% on this! Her testimony is making her sound like she was so naive and innocent, yet her ex testified to their sex life.

Cross examination should be interesting. Mr. Martinez is going to have to be really cautious in how he approaches her, though.


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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:11:18 PM

What do you all think about Jodi being on the stand? mI hope that the jurors can see through her bs.


Denise, I think she had to take the stand. She had no choice about it because of the self-defense plea. It's so hard to know what the jury is thinking. We know so much more that's been reported than what they know. But, I really don't think they'll buy into her innocent act that's going on right now.


I'm not sure how the hierarchy of the church is relevant to the case.


Jen, I think that was brought up because he was Temple worthy prior to Jodi, and was not after Jodi.


It's frustrating watching a trial when you have more information than is being presented. It's hard for families and friends to watch sometimes.


I can not even imagine being family and having to listen to her testimony! They've shown his sisters, brother and brother-in-law many times. Since Jodi's been on the stand, there've been a lot of eye rolls from his sisters. I really hope that the jury isn't looking at them to see that. It could potentially turn the jury off.


I is just going on and on. Could she possibly honestly "remember" all of this stuff. Saying how someone when she worked at Applebee's said "Hi, Jodi".


Well, in 4 years of prison, she's had plenty of time to either remember or make up details.


IMO, the girl is narcisistic (sp?) and a pathological liar. Don't forget master manipulator.

She believes that she can convince the jury to see things her way. Her narcisism has her believing that what she did was right and just and she can not be possibly punished.

All those details is the pathological lying. The girl wouldn't know the truth if it bit her in the @ss!


I have to agree with you. You've described her to a T!


Is she ever going to get to killing Travis? My gosh, she just rambles and rambles.


Yes, she has rambled. But, the prosecution hasn't objected much at all. I think Martinez is giving her enough rope to hang herself by not objecting. He's doing some crazy not taking, that's for sure.

We might hear some of when she killed Travis tomorrow during her testimony. Court is blacked out on Thursday and Friday. Prosecution will not begin cross examination until sometime next week...maybe Tuesday? I'd be surprised if the defense questioning finishes up tomorrow.

I would guess that letting her ramble and give details is leading up to the defense witnesses (I think they said there are 2 coming up that are psychologists and are supposed to testify about her psychological state) that are scheduled and will testify about emotional and verbal abuse, her past relationships (including her parents and boyfriends), etc.



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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:34:01 PM
This trial pisses me off for reasons I have previously listed. He overcame SO much in his life to be destroyed by this evil witch. Who cares if they had sex. It doesn't matter. As long as they were consenting adults. Who cares if they liked oral sex. Many do. Big deal. If she REALLY felt he was a threat to her she wouldn't have driven from California to go see him and then killed him in the shower. All she had to do was walk out the door and never look back. Evil doesn't begin to describe her. Since I have friends who were very good friends with him through church and pre paid law it affects me even more. And perhaps because this could have been my story with my abusive ex. He strangled me and left his hand print on my neck and caused soft tissue damage. It could have been me. Each time he got more and more violent. I don't for a second believe that Travis Alexander was abusive. I was in an abusive relationship and NOTHING they described that he did was abusive. Sure he shouldn't have used her but he didn't deserve to die. SHE DOES!

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Posted: 2/5/2013 9:28:08 PM
What strikes me are the last photos of Travis in the shower. He was calm and relaxed and 30 seconds later he was stabbed 27 times, shot in the face and sliced open from ear to ear. She was not defending herself. He was relaxing in the shower. She had her clothes on, she went after him when he was most vulnerable.

Those photos tell the story of brutal premeditated murder.

I don't get why they are trying to make Travis into some sexual deviant guy. Sounds like most guys I know.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:23:29 PM
For some reason I can't stop watching this. Her demeanor has certainly changed from the first day she was on the stand. It's obvious she loves the attention from everyone in the courtroom.


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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:59:58 PM
Okay, I'm still watching! Better than reality TV!! It's getting close to the point where she will be talking about the day she killed him. Her dad, sister, brother, mom and aunt are in the courtroom this week. Travis' brother and sisters are also there.

Yesterday was the phone sex tape. She acted upset and embarassed by it.


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Posted: 2/13/2013 11:37:32 PM
Just saw an article on this on the Huffington Post site.
Um... they have pictures. Graphic pictures. Of the body.

There's also audio of a phone conversation between the victim and accused. I didn't listen to it though.


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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:02:30 AM

Just saw an article on this on the Huffington Post site.
Um... they have pictures. Graphic pictures. Of the body.

There's also audio of a phone conversation between the victim and accused. I didn't listen to it though.


Yes, this trial has been graphic all along...but more so in the last week. There's plenty more to come, still. She hasn't even testified about the day of the murder!

I suspect that she'll still be a defense witness tomorrow plus all of next week. I'll actually be surprised if she testifies to the murder before Tuesday. I just don't think that the defense will want to send the jury away for the long 4-day weekend just starting with the murder itself.

Then, there's the cross examination (my guess is probably a week on that). Martinez is pretty much a yes/no guy and he's not going to want her to expand on any of her answers. Then, re-direct...so we probably still have 2-3 weeks of her on the stand.

They haven't even gotten to the expert witnesses yet!

And then the prosecution gets to take the lead again.

This trial has, easily, 6-8 weeks to go. I'll be surprised if it goes to the jury before the middle of April!

ETA: As for the audio of their phone call. Well, don't listen with children around! It is extremely graphic. Imagine running a porn movie and the picture goes out. That's pretty much what the phone recording was.


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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:17:35 AM

This trial pisses me off for reasons I have previously listed. He overcame SO much in his life to be destroyed by this evil witch. Who cares if they had sex. It doesn't matter. As long as they were consenting adults. Who cares if they liked oral sex. Many do. Big deal. If she REALLY felt he was a threat to her she wouldn't have driven from California to go see him and then killed him in the shower. All she had to do was walk out the door and never look back. Evil doesn't begin to describe her. Since I have friends who were very good friends with him through church and pre paid law it affects me even more. And perhaps because this could have been my story with my abusive ex. He strangled me and left his hand print on my neck and caused soft tissue damage. It could have been me. Each time he got more and more violent. I don't for a second believe that Travis Alexander was abusive. I was in an abusive relationship and NOTHING they described that he did was abusive. Sure he shouldn't have used her but he didn't deserve to die. SHE DOES!


Nothing that he did warranted his murder. I agree with that. But obviously, with his own words, Travis was not the person he appeared to be to his friends. Up until yesterday, it was easy to say that she is a master lier. It just seems to come very easily to her. But Travis was, well, he was a jerk. It doesn't matter how many friends praise him for what he's overcome and what a nice guy he was, they didn't know this other side. It has nothing to do with having sex or liking sex, it has to do with hypocricy. Again, even the biggest ass around doesn't deserve to go out the way he did.

At the start of this thread, back in January, I said that this trial was going to shed a bad light on the Mormon church. Some said that I was out of line saying this, that he sinned and that doesn't reflect on Mormons. Well, almost 2 months into this I think that it's very obvious that this has reflected poorly...warranted or not. There have been many on the news (from here locally and from Utah) that have said that they really hope and pray that people do not take what has come out in court and apply it to Mormon's everywhere. It's sad, but true, that the testimony has damaged a lot of reputations.

Well, 1 more day of testimony and then 4 day weekend. I'll miss most of the morning, but will listen in when I get home later in the day!


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Posted: 2/14/2013 12:34:41 AM
I think the prosecutor Martinez is totally thrilled that she's rambling on and on and going into minuet detail about things, because he can only cross examine her on what she says while she's being questioned. He has so much to go on, and I can't wait to see him in action.

Do you think it's a coincidence that they were officially 'broken up' for 27 days (in her warped mind), and she stabbed him 27 times? I don't believe they were ever a couple to begin with.

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Posted: 2/14/2013 1:02:03 AM
Who knows if there's anything to the numbers. I think that she thought they were a couple. He didn't, obviously. The one thing that the defense said in opening that was accurate...Jodi was his dirty little secret.

I was chatting with someone this morning and said that over the past 2 days she has mentioned many times how depressed she was. She also said that there were times that she felt suicidal. It won't surprise me, at all, if she explains away the gun being there so that she could kill herself in front of him.

Yea, Martinez is chomping at the bit to question her. I really think that if he's too aggressive hell make at least on person sympathetic to her...then the case is lost and we could end up seeing 2nd degree or manslaughter. God forbid, if they do that, she could be out in less than a year because of time served!


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Posted: 2/14/2013 1:54:17 AM
Travis made mistakes and may have not been kind to her but because he has one weaknesses doesn't make him an awful person. Sorry it just doesn't. We all have weaknesses and strengths. He deserves to be remembered for more than his weaknesses. And I doubt many of us would have emerged from the childhood he had as well as he did. And again I don't think it reflects bad on the LDS church and I am LDS. EVERYONE sins. EVERYONE. Catholics, protestants, Jews, atheist, Hindu, etc. You get my picture. Just like men make mistakes too and so do white men if we really want to focus on the specificities of the case. So basically heterosexual, LDS, white men sin and have premartial sex. BIG DEAL. We all make mistakes. The biggest doctrine of the LDS church is the atonement and forgiveness of our sins. God is merciful and forgives us. NOTHING makes it okay for him to be killed and I believe the person he was BEFORE he met her was a very different man then AFTER he met her. Previously friends and girlfriends have attested to this. The problem was and is her not him!

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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:03:01 AM
I've heard that when she was arrested, the finger that she said was broken or injured when Travis was violent with her, was bandaged and recent, which they are saying happened when she was wielding the knife that killed him, or in the struggle near the end. If that can be proven through arrest photos, it will prove that Travis didn't injure her, and all her claims of violence from him can be thrown out. That was all the real proof of any physical injury she had, and hope that comes out and can't wait to see how she explains it all.

She seems to have an answer for everything. She's had four years to come up with an alibi, and story in minuet detail at that, and even though Travis had a kinky side to him, I don't believe at all, that he ever raised a hand to her. This is all her attempt to make it a self defense case. I really hope the jurors are smart enough to recognize when they are being lied to.

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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:31:36 AM
The judge called in sick today, so no live trial. It will resume on Tuesday.

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Posted: 2/15/2013 1:52:02 PM
I cannot believe this is still going on! I have tuned in a few times and it is amazingly repetitious!

Is anyone Pea more closely following this and are you hearing new things?

She sure as shooting seems guilty to me, I don't know why they don't rest and turn it over to the jury. Poor people must be struggling to stay awake through all the droning.



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Posted: 2/15/2013 1:58:09 PM
I'll admit to watching this every day
What I'm noticing is that the closer we get to the day of the actual murder, the less detail she remembers about things. She can remember what color socks she was wearing on a certain date 9 years ago, but important things from just 4.5 years ago she can't recall very well.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:57:09 PM

I went to high school with Travis Alexander. He was a really kind and decent person who overcame a lot of adversity and managed to become a successful adult.

The allegations Jodi Arias is making are disgusting. My guess is that he continued sleeping with her even though he ended the actual relationship, and that drove Arias over the edge.

Arias' changing stories, coupled with the viciousness of this crime, however, make it impossible to believe her new allegations of abuse and other sexual deviancy.

I hope she is convicted and is punished to the fullest extent of the law.


My friend Autumn knew Travis personally as well. She is pretty much echoing what you said here.


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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:35:18 PM
Just a question for you all: why do you find this "entertaining?" I'm not meaning to slam, but I guess I don't get why people think that criminal trials are a form of entertainment. I mean, it's something tragic--both for the family of the victim and the accused.

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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:54:23 PM
I think you are way off base Kim about the impact of the LDS church getting a bad name because Joe Mormon had sex and lied. He was a very important person in the life of his friends and family. BUT he was no Ted Haggard or Jesse Jackson. He was a member of a church with millions of members. Proposition 8, blacks not getting the priesthood until 1978, and other much bigger issues are the ones that put the LDS church in the bad light.

I agree with angievp. The title of this thread sounds like a bad lifetime movie.

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Posted: 2/20/2013 12:56:42 AM

I cannot believe this is still going on! I have tuned in a few times and it is amazingly repetitious!

Is anyone Pea more closely following this and are you hearing new things?

She sure as shooting seems guilty to me, I don't know why they don't rest and turn it over to the jury. Poor people must be struggling to stay awake through all the droning.


I agree that it's repetitious, but I can understand why the defense is doing this...though I can see where it could have been done much faster! Today, there was a lot of new information and they are finally (in their timeline) up to the day of the murder. In fact, that will likely be the testimony Wednesday morning.

As much as I agree that she's guilty (in my opinion), I can see where the defense has had to show a pattern in their relationship of him pushing her away, then pulling her back in, then cussing at her, then having sex with her, then calling her names, followed by messages of how much she meant to him. In order for them to establish this pattern, they have to go through every mundane detail.


What I'm noticing is that the closer we get to the day of the actual murder, the less detail she remembers about things. She can remember what color socks she was wearing on a certain date 9 years ago, but important things from just 4.5 years ago she can't recall very well.


Funny how that's happening. Today, there was a lot of memory lapse. I won't be surprised if the defense expert testimony addresses that. They'll say things like "because of trauma, she's blacked out certain details" and testimony to support that.



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Posted: 2/20/2013 1:18:52 AM

My friend Autumn knew Travis personally as well. She is pretty much echoing what you said here.


I have a few friends up here that knew him. I don't know to what extent, but 1 said she went to high school with him (though she really hadn't seen him since) and one that was in the same ward as him at one point. They both have had nothing but good to say about him, and feel the same way.


Just a question for you all: why do you find this "entertaining?" I'm not meaning to slam, but I guess I don't get why people think that criminal trials are a form of entertainment. I mean, it's something tragic--both for the family of the victim and the accused.



Angie, I can only speak for myself, but I tend to have a trial on as background noise, rather than music, most of the day while I'm working. I don't know if I'd call it entertainment as much as intrigue. I'm fascinated at how the prosecution portrays the case and which direction the defense comes in to establish their clients' innocence or, in this case, their defense of the admitted crime.

As far as the entertainment factor? This defendant has been on Extra and 48 Hours before the trial ever started. Members of Travis' family, as well as Jodi's friends, have been on 48 hours. Since the trial started, Travis' friends have made nightly appearances on shows on HLN and Tru. Locally, this trial is covered on every station during every news cast. So, I don't think it's necessarily the viewers making this into entertainment as much as the media. If people watch it for that, fine. Personally, I think that most that are keeping up with it are hoping for a high profile trial that finally gives the family some sense of justice.


I think you are way off base Kim about the impact of the LDS church getting a bad name because Joe Mormon had sex and lied. He was a very important person in the life of his friends and family. BUT he was no Ted Haggard or Jesse Jackson. He was a member of a church with millions of members. Proposition 8, blacks not getting the priesthood until 1978, and other much bigger issues are the ones that put the LDS church in the bad light.

I agree with angievp. The title of this thread sounds like a bad lifetime movie.


Well, when I first posted this, I was giving my impression from the first few days of the trial. Since that time, there have many local LDS that have said that what happened is not acceptible in their religion and that they are concerned that perception will be that this behavior is condoned by the LDS church. So, whether people think that this trial has put the church in a bad light or not, members of the church are publicly defending it as if it has (both locally and nationally).


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