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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:28:52 PM
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No!


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:31:46 PM
Not just NO, but HELL NO.

I am however, willing to pay more taxes to schools so that they can attract and keep GOOD teachers and get rid of the crap.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:32:04 PM
No because I don't think there should be armed guards at schools.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:32:27 PM
Not only would I not be willing to pay more taxes but I'm against the idea altogether.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:32:45 PM
Not for a second.

If a crazy shooter is out there with a gun, and approaching a school, the first person to be taken out would of course be the guard.

And in fact now that I think about it, it might even present an even more "fun" challenge for that crazed gunman.

So, nope. Not to mention the fact that the single guard can't clone himself to all 14 of the exits of a school.



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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:33:25 PM

Not just NO, but HELL NO.

I am however, willing to pay more taxes to schools so that they can attract and keep GOOD teachers and get rid of the crap.



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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:33:40 PM
No. Absolutely not. There are SO many other reasons our schools need money that are much, much better.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:33:47 PM

Not only would I not be willing to pay more taxes but I'm against the idea altogether.
Me too. I would seriously have to think about whether or not I'd send my children to a school that employed armed guards. I would have to see what other feasible options for schooling we could come up with first.






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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:35:39 PM
Ha, I would really like the power to direct where my tax dollars go.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:37:45 PM
Dear God, NO. No armed guard is going to stop someone bent on destruction from entering a school, a daycare center, a nursing home or anywhere else that vulnerable people are located.

I'm willing to pay more taxes so that we can more easily diagnose, treat, track and take care of the mentally ill in our country. And prevent them from gaining access to weapons.



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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:38:18 PM

Not just NO, but HELL NO.

I am however, willing to pay more taxes to schools so that they can attract and keep GOOD teachers and get rid of the crap.


And


Not only would I not be willing to pay more taxes but I'm against the idea altogether.



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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:38:32 PM
No. But I wouldn't mind paying more taxes to keep good teachers, hire more school psychologists, and pay for training for teachers to spot trouble students who aren't oppositional.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:38:38 PM
No. But I wouldn't mind paying more taxes to keep good teachers, hire more school psychologists, and pay for training for teachers to spot trouble students who aren't oppositional.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:38:44 PM
No. But I wouldn't mind paying more taxes to keep good teachers, hire more school psychologists, and pay for training for teachers to spot trouble students who aren't oppositional.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:39:07 PM
Before doing that, I would simply allow teachers and administrators who are licensed concealed carry permit holders to carry at work. I carry most everywhere, everyday.

The undetermined threat of a potentially armed target is far more of a deterrent than the known threat of a security guard you can plan for.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:39:35 PM
Not me! I am opposed to having armed guards at our schools. I think its abusrd that people are willing to entertain this sa an option. That tells me that people place a higher value in gun ownership over human safety.

What needs to change is the gun culture in this country. NO ONE needs weapons that are designed for a single purpose, and that is to kill people.

Hunters and skeet shooters don't use automatic weapons designed for maximum destruction in a minimum amount of time. Get automatic weapons off our streets.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:40:44 PM
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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:42:05 PM
Absolutely not.

I'm willing to pay an increase in my hospital district taxes if it increases behavioral health resources. I'm willing to pay an increase in my school taxes for basic improvements to our school facilities (roofs, paving, playground equipment, up-to-date wiring, gyms, HVAC). I'm even willing to pay an increase in my city/county sales tax for background checks for weapons sold in my county.

But I don't want armed guards in my kids' schools.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:42:09 PM
Nope...I can't imagine teaching in my district with armed guards.

Besides, in my case how many armed guards would it take? Our building alone has 11 entrances.....a guard per entrance? There are 1,100 students in my building alone. In the building which is attached to mine (also 1-3) there is another 1,100 children. That building has about 10/11 entrances also.

My Primary, Intermediate and Middle schools have quite a few entrances too. If it ever came to us getting guards like that we'd have to have our own armed security staff to man all of the entrances.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:43:14 PM

I would simply allow teachers and administrators who are licensed concealed carry permit holders to carry at work.
This idea scares me even more. I would not allow my children to attend a school like that.






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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:43:30 PM
No, and I am a teacher.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:43:43 PM
No way. I don't want guns at school at all. I think this is an extremist, knee jerk reaction to the CT shootings.

Are you willing to pay more taxes so that teachers have what they need to do their jobs effectively? I am- and I do. Try to bring guns into our schools and I'd be forming an anti-you group in a heartbeat.

How ridiculous. Really- absurd.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:44:46 PM
It is sad that we have to even discuss this topic. Schools should be a safe zone for our children. It is interesting that we have police officers guarding our money at banks, but not our children at schools.

If criminals thought there were potentially armed staff members at schools I would think it would be a deterrent. Just the presence of a patrol car would be a deterrent. They are cowardly and do not want people shooting back at them.

Would I pay more taxes to protect my child in any way I could? Hell yes!


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:44:48 PM
NO because my children go to school, not a prison.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:44:56 PM
No. Make that HELL NO!

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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:45:19 PM
I'm so opposed that if my school hires armed guards, I will homeschool.



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I'm so opposed that if my school hires armed guards, I will homeschool.



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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:48:28 PM

I would simply allow teachers and administrators who are licensed concealed carry permit holders to carry at work
The conceal carried class around here is not nearly enough for the responsibility to carry as a teacher in a school.

If and that is a big IF this was somehow going to happen, I think the teachers who are allowed to carry should have to go through extensive training and personality type assessments. Just because you are a teacher does not mean you are good person and just because you have a concealed permit does not mean you should in a school.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:48:36 PM
Good gravy, no!

I am willing to pay higher taxes for a host of other solutions.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:49:45 PM
Honestly at first I thought that wasn't a bad idea. But the more I thought of it the more unrealistic it sounded.

First of all if there is going to be an armed guard in my child's school I would want it to be someone highly skilled at shooting so as not to hit innocent bystanders or hostages and also at talking down a crazy person. But someone like that would want big $$$. And would also be bored with the job because really, as awful as these situations are, they are extremely rare. The guard would just be sitting around bored, especially at elementary schools.

And like someone mentioned above, most schools have several entrances, plus many many windows. What are the chances a shooter would try and enter at the entrance where the guard is?

So really I don't think it's realistic or would do much good.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:53:05 PM

I think the teachers who are allowed to carry should have to go through extensive training and personality type assessments


I also think something like that is appropriate.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:54:16 PM
I would be willing, once I saw data that supported it as an effective measure.

Since so far I haven't seen that, I am not interested.

I am also wondering what the daily duties of this guard would be.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:57:47 PM
Am I remembering correctly that Columbine High School had an armed deputy on site? Was that a deterrent?

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Posted: 1/3/2013 4:58:49 PM
No, I think it's a horrible and frankly a stupid idea thought up by nefarious people only concerned with their own warped agenda.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:00:29 PM

I think the teachers who are allowed to carry should have to go through extensive training and personality type assessments
Yeah, let's make it harder to hire teachers. Not only do you have to excellent classroom management skills, but on a moment's notice, you need to transform into Dirty Harry.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:00:53 PM
No.

Jesus...schools have been *screaming* for our help for years...in academics, extra curriculars, technology and teachers...and THIS is what you'd (generally speaking) like to pay for?

No. And no again. And the day they allow teachers to conceal and carry within the school...is the day I homeschool. No. Way.



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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:06:19 PM
No because i don't think it will solve the problem and it will create different problems.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:07:16 PM
Nope, because the wacko that is out there is going to go shoot people somewhere else, where there is no guard.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:14:27 PM

Not just NO, but HELL NO.

I am however, willing to pay more taxes to schools so that they can attract and keep GOOD teachers and get rid of the crap.


This.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:17:23 PM
There are many things for schools that I'm willing to pay more in taxes to support - most have been mentioned in this thread. However, armed guards is not one of them.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:29:59 PM

I think the teachers who are allowed to carry should have to go through extensive training and personality type assessments

Yeah, let's make it harder to hire teachers. Not only do you have to excellent classroom management skills, but on a moment's notice, you need to transform into Dirty Harry.


Why would it be harder to hire teachers? She's not saying make concealed carry a requirement to employment as a teacher, only the ones who are already allowed to carry. Just because someone legally carries doesn't mean they're turning into some Dirty Harry.
Plus I don't see the whole "gun-free zone" thing being a deterrent to criminals either.
I wouldn't mind an increase in police patrols personally, just to make me feel better. I don't know if it would actually help beyond being a feel good thing though.


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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:42:23 PM

Before doing that, I would simply allow teachers and administrators who are licensed concealed carry permit holders to carry at work. I carry most everywhere, everyday.

The undetermined threat of a potentially armed target is far more of a deterrent than the known threat of a security guard you can plan for.


Yeah--because the last thing I want is a bunch of guns in (I'm sorry) NON-PROFESSIONAL hands. It takes years of training to do my job--I would never expect a law enforcement officer to come in and do it with a few weeks or months (or days? ) of training. Can you ever imagine that a teacher, no matter how good a marksman or responsible of a gun-owner he/she is, would be able to deal with all of things necessary to take down an armed intruder with a gun? How much training do police officers have to go through before they're allowed to carry guns? Physical and psychological training...

What if a teacher saw a suspicious person who went for a gun, shot them only to find out later it was a cell phone? What if they were shooting and accidentally hit a kid? What if a kid got a hold of their gun? What if the teacher was unstable?

This is the most ASININE idea I've heard.

And I would be curious to know what LEO's think of it...



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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:45:42 PM
Absolutely not. And nothing anyone is going to say will change my mind on this.



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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:48:53 PM
There were armed guards at Columbine....enough said...




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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:52:28 PM
No. I will remove my children from public schools if/when this happens.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:52:37 PM
I did not realize that this had been discused on another thread. It is on my mind a lot today because of the Sandy Hook kids going back to school with a lot of security.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:54:17 PM

Not just NO, but HELL NO.
This. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if this ever happened, I'd pull my kids out of school faster than you could blink.

I would pay more taxes to diagnose and get help for mentally ill people. I would pay more to increase a teacher's pay, and get good, quality teachers. I would pay more to get more music and art back in school. I would pay more to get more tech toys in school.

I will NEVER pay more taxes to give more people guns.



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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:57:31 PM
Not the answer.

In my local mall we just had a stabbing. This guy walks in the mall, shanks two teenagers for no reason. It wasn't gangs fighting or trouble makers. It was two kids who went shopping with their parents and were allowed to go off and window shop. They were sitting on a bench, minding their own business. This guy walks up behind, stabs them repeatedly, and saunters off casually.

In a mall. With police officers from my city (who had guns) and security guards patrolling the mall as well.

They didn't even know what happened to to the teens or who did it and they shut the whole mall down blindly searching for a suspect they had no description of. When the teens collapsed, passerbys called for help, then the police were called.

Mentally ill is mentally ill. This guy was on a mission, and the thought of guns didn't deter him. People are creepy.

A kindergarten teacher has no business bringing a gun to school. Or any teacher, but that goes without saying.

Someone with enough conviction to commit such a horrendous act can do so without guns. What about suicide bombers? The incident in China with stabbings?

Giving people more guns, or even the ability to bring their guns on their person in public, is not a solution.
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