My pup needs more training!
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Posted: 1/4/2013 8:19:41 AM
We have a shih tzu pup who will turn 1 this month! We did some basic training with her right after we got her.

Problem is that we're a family of 6. Getting everyone to do the same thing with her is near impossible. Besides the cuteness factor. No one want's to enforce rules on her cute little self!

She of course is smart as can be and takes full advantage. So she knows a bunch of tricks which she'll do for treats. If you ask her to sit without a treat she just looks at you. Not loving that! So essentially she doesn't listen if she doesn't feel like it.

She LOVES being out in the snow, but it is cold. I took her out and put her in her fenced area to go while I waited. I opened the gate and instead of going up the stairs she took of and ran down the street. Thankfully she was confused by the freedom and stopped and I grabbed her. Clearly she will not be even in her fenced area without her being leashed now.

But I need to get some control. Where do I backtrack to get her to start listening. I'm thinking she's going to have to be leashed in the house and corrected for not listening? Anyone with tips, advice?

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Posted: 1/4/2013 8:31:40 AM
You need to be the alpha. The person who takes her to training classes needs to be the one in charge. When she can be trusted with her alpha and her alpha only, you need to teach everyone in the house the correct way to enforce the training. ONLY ONE TRAINER and everyone else backs up what you have taught her.

I took my malti-poo through numerous levels of training and I am his alpha and although it sometimes listens to others, he only really listens to me and we are working on that.





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Posted: 1/4/2013 8:56:08 AM
I own three Shih Tzu and I teach dog training classes. I also compete in agility with my Shih Tzu.


We did some basic training with her right after we got her.


Training has to be on-going, meaning, you're always working with her to understand the rules - especially during the first year. Work with the family to understand "the rules" so you can be as consistent as possible.


I opened the gate and instead of going up the stairs she took of and ran down the street.
When you take her out of the gated area, make sure to put the lead back on. I know that stinks in cold weather, but it's for her safety.


Where do I backtrack to get her to start listening. I'm thinking she's going to have to be leashed in the house and corrected for not listening?
Back up and set her up so that she can be successful. Make sure she's understanding what you're asking (by breaking skills down into small steps). "Correcting" her for not listening isn't going to work at this point, if she doesn't understand what you are asking her to do.

What isn't she doing inside that you would like her to do?

Here's a video of my oldest Shih Tzu running agility back in November - he's over 12 years old:
YouTube: Louie's JWW Agility Run

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Posted: 1/4/2013 10:13:30 AM

What isn't she doing inside that you would like her to do?


I'll check out your video this afternoon when I have a few minutes! Essentially she doesn't "listen" to commands unless she gets a treat! So if I tell her to sit unless I have a treat she isn't too interested. She knows the word sit! She's very smart, you can teach her a new trick within a few minutes and she remembers it.

Outside she's always been leashed because I know she has the potential to run. I use the gated area on cold days and it's right near the staircase. Normally I pick her up because she's been not listening and wandering from the stairs. She knows what I want and always stops when I say no (and comes to me to go up the stairs.) I'm so mad at myself today because I should have known...she backed up when I tried to pick her up then escaped. Won't make that mistake again!

Peppermintpatty is right for sure....I need to be become the alpha, she thinks she's the boss around here!

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Posted: 1/4/2013 10:45:07 AM
If she doesn't listen to a command on the first try (one that she *knows* not a new one) - make her do it. For example, the sit on command: Say "sit" - if she doesn't sit, (gently!) place her in a sit. (Note: DO NOT push down on her rear end to place her in a sit. You can sweep your arm under her back legs to get her into a sitting position.) Praise lavishly!!!!

Vary the times you just give praise and when you give praise + treat, so she never knows when the treat will come.


Peppermintpatty is right for sure....I need to be become the alpha, she thinks she's the boss around here!
That's exactly right! It's so easy for a little dog to try to get away with things because of their cuteness ... but they have to follow the rules too. Be the leader and help her learn the rules

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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:49:23 AM
We used to have a Lhasa Apso, same thing, they want to be leaders but need to have an alpha otherwise it is chaos!





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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:18:45 PM

If she doesn't listen to a command on the first try (one that she *knows* not a new one) - make her do it. For example, the sit on command: Say "sit" - if she doesn't sit, (gently!) place her in a sit. (Note: DO NOT push down on her rear end to place her in a sit. You can sweep your arm under her back legs to get her into a sitting position.) Praise lavishly!!!!

Vary the times you just give praise and when you give praise + treat, so she never knows when the treat will come.



I love that you train in the style we have been instructed in

We were taught two different ways to put our dog in any of her commands if she doesn't do them when the command is given once. Many people don't realize that a command is just that, a command. Like I tell my dogs and family, it's a command, not a question Just because we use a nice tone does not mean it doesn't need to be followed.

Our 11 month old GSD is starting her second level of obedience this month. Our 13 yr old wants to take her in her first rally class in March Her goal is to move on to agility after Nita turns two.

OP, just keep working with your dog and your family. For us, getting the family to use the same commands has been the hardest thing. We are actually teaching our dog a verbal and a hand signal for each command. I don't know if that would help, brab74 would be able to speak to whether that would be doable or not. We just couldn't get dh to remember the verbal commands and know we will use the hand signals later for other activities


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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:44:21 PM

We are actually teaching our dog a verbal and a hand signal for each command. I don't know if that would help, brab74 would be able to speak to whether that would be doable or not.
Teaching a command with a verbal signal and hand signal is very doable.

In competitive obedience, there are a series of exercises at the "top" level of obedience (called Utility) where the dog has to obey ONLY on a SIGNAL (edit: not verbal) command. These same dogs typically use a verbal, so they understand both. My dogs know some of the Utility exercises, and can do sit, stay, down and come only on the hand signals.


Our 13 yr old wants to take her in her first rally class in March Her goal is to move on to agility after Nita turns two.


Awesome! They will both have fun. Do you have 4-H agility available in your area? (I'm also impressed that you want to wait on agility until the dog is two. The extra obedidence classes will help in agility and the wait will also be good for your dog physically.) I've done some rally, but my main passion is agility.


We were taught two different ways to put our dog in any of her commands if she doesn't do them when the command is given once. Many people don't realize that a command is just that, a command. Like I tell my dogs and family, it's a command, not a question Just because we use a nice tone does not mean it doesn't need to be followed.


That's exactly right! If the dog hears "sit?? sitsitsitSIIIITTTTT. SIT SIT. Sit??? WHY.DON'T.YOU.SIT?!?!" they will learn that they have to hear "sit" X number of times before they actually have to do it. Only say it once so they have to do it on the first (and only) command.

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