Another theater shooting. Go ahead, gun lovers. Please defend it.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:02:27 PM
I don't get it. The cops were the only ones doing the shooting of the bad guy before he actually shot anyone else right?



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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:07:33 PM
What theater shooting? I read the link, What I got from it was Officers doing their job.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:18:52 PM
The title is a total red herring.

The cops went to the theater and got the bad guy. He had a gun. No one else was shot or hurt. Except the bad guy.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:19:24 PM
Looks like a guy trying to commit "suicide by cop" to me. Not so much a "theater shooting" but good try at trying to create drama where there is none. It really helps the gun debate when people misrepresent situations in order to inflame the masses.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:22:00 PM
Wow, I'm all for gun control, but really Kelpea? To call this a "theater shooting" is a disgrace to every single person who died in Colorado.




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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:22:09 PM
I think you need to defend this as a "theater shooting" as you meant it to sound like the CO shooting. That's not cool.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:24:17 PM

Looks like a guy trying to commit "suicide by cop" to me. Not so much a "theater shooting" but good try at trying to create drama where there is none. It really helps the gun debate when people misrepresent situations in order to inflame the masses.


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This thread title is deliberately misleading and inflammatory.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:25:30 PM
Not a "theatre shooting" like in Colorado. More like a "cops catch a bad guy and prevent any casualties" to me.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:36:45 PM
no red herrings. Sorry.

I just do not get why it's okay for people to run around with guns. Purely and simply. I can't get my head around why it's okay to have them and go to a movie theater with one to do damage to another human being. Again, purely. And simply.



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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:44:12 PM

I can't get my head around why it's okay to have them and go to a movie theater with one to do damage to another human being.


Did you read the article you linked? Unlike the Colorado shooting, the man didn't go into the theater with the intent to "do damage to another human being". The suicidal man assualted his girlfriend and ran in the theater to try to evade the police and avoid arrest.

I think those are two very different situations.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:46:53 PM

I can't get my head around why it's okay to have them and go to a movie theater with one to do damage to another human being. Again, purely. And simply.
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I'm not a gun lover, but the article didn't say he went wielding a gun in a theatre. It said he fled the scene. He probably thought he could hide in a theatre since its so large.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 2:48:33 PM

Another theater shooting. Go ahead, gun lovers. Please defend it.
So then...suspect menaces girlfriend in parking lot, and an armed bystander tries to intervene and scares suspect who hides out in Les Miz. Cops find him and subdue him almost immediately, well before suspect can fire off any shots.

How is this anything but a successful use of guns and law enforcement?


I can't get my head around why it's okay to have them and go to a movie theater with one to do damage to another human being. Again, purely. And simply.
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Posted: 1/13/2013 3:11:07 PM
Sorry, not a theater shooting at all!!! You are mistaken for thinking it as such, and stirring up drama presenting it as such.

The man threatened his GF with a gun, and fled the scene to hide out in a movie theater. The cops apprehended him. END OF STORY.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 3:22:14 PM
Are you just spoiling for a fight or wanting to screech your ignorance from the rooftops?

Hardly a mass shooting..


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Posted: 1/13/2013 3:24:30 PM
Not a gun lover but I am a Constitution lover, so I support responsible gun ownership by law abiding citizens. Regardless, your thread is misleading and doesn't help your argument at all...


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Posted: 1/13/2013 3:45:27 PM
The definition of a red herring: a false clue that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion.

Your title is a red herring. Period.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 3:49:43 PM
That was nothing remotely close to what happened in Aurora, CO.

Just trying to get some thread attention by being outrageous and misleading? Nice try. Oh--should have thrown the word "abortion" in there too, just to cap it off.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 4:01:48 PM
I'm on 'your' side but this isn't the same thing at all and isn't helping the argument in any way either.



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Posted: 1/13/2013 4:10:27 PM

I'm on 'your' side but this isn't the same thing at all and isn't helping the argument in any way either.


Yep. Same here.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 4:15:31 PM
    Thread Title" : Another theater shooting. Go ahead, gun lovers. Please defend it.


Another person thinking they know what is best for the rest of 315+ million people living in the United States of America.

Please.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 4:28:58 PM
Classy...you just disrespected those who lost their life in Aurora and insulted their families in order to further your own agenda. I guess when you are on a soapbox tact and compassion goes out the window.

Pathetic...


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Posted: 1/13/2013 4:38:53 PM
Even if you don't understand why many Americans want to arm themselves, please step back and think before making statements like this.

This is exactly the kind of talk that is behind the enormous sale of firearms and ammo right now.

People are going from store to store looking for ammo that would normally be there, and if one place has some, they are scooping it up and calling their buddies to hurry over.

You want to work people's emotions? These are the consequences.






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Posted: 1/13/2013 4:49:16 PM
    Even if you don't understand why many Americans want to arm themselves, please step back and think before making statements like this.

    This is exactly the kind of talk that is behind the enormous sale of firearms and ammo right now.

    People are going from store to store looking for ammo that would normally be there, and if one place has some, they are scooping it up and calling their buddies to hurry over.

    You want to work people's emotions? These are the consequences.


Exactly.

I have never seen the gun and ammo sections of sporting goods stores as empty as I did today. I live on the edge of fertile deer hunting grounds in Central Texas. I went to three stores today trying to find an archery eye patch for my youngest DD. The lines were 20 deep of people buying guns at each store. Ammo has flown off the shelves and you are lucky if you can find standard handgun caliber ammo (9mm, 40, and 45). Why the crazy buying? Responses like this from gun control advocates. You just put thousands, if not hundreds of thousands more guns into the general population because of statements and outbursts like this.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 4:51:46 PM
I can defend the use of guns in this case. Absolutely. Police officers doing their job. Who COULD have a problem with this?


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Posted: 1/13/2013 5:04:44 PM
I think you're missing the point here. A man with gun or I should say a distaught man with a gun went into a movie theater where people were watching the movie.

In this case it turned out ok as no one was killed. Well the guy with the gun got shot.

But in the blink of an eye that distaught man with a gun instead of hiding from the police could have started shooting people before the police found him. This time the people in the theater were lucky. The next time it happens , and it will happen again, the people might not be so lucky. Doesn't matter if its a school, a theater, a private business, a church, or shopping center. It will happen again.

What I find kind of interesting that as a group how you have shrugged it off kind of like no one got killed so it doesn't count. And not helping the arguement for "our" side for posting the incident. Really. So its now become acceptable for a distaught man to go into a theater with a gun?

And Laurie your comment was uncalled for IMO. Actually it was rather tacky.




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Posted: 1/13/2013 5:08:29 PM

I have never seen the gun and ammo sections of sporting goods stores as empty as I did today. I live on the edge of fertile deer hunting grounds in Central Texas. I went to three stores today trying to find an archery eye patch for my youngest DD. The lines were 20 deep of people buying guns at each store. Ammo has flown off the shelves and you are lucky if you can find standard handgun caliber ammo (9mm, 40, and 45). Why the crazy buying? Responses like this from gun control advocates. You just put thousands, if not hundreds of thousands more guns into the general population because of statements and outbursts like this.
This phenomenon is absolutely disgusting. When will people learn that more guns are not the answer.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 5:16:33 PM

And Laurie your comment was uncalled for IMO. Actually it was rather tacky.




Apparently it is a matter of perspective because I feel the OP is the tacky one.

I have family that live in Aurora. I know how raw their emotions still are. I stand by my comment that it is a slap in the face comparing this situation to what happened in Aurora on July 20th. To me the only thing that is uncalled for is the original post.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 5:48:54 PM
    This phenomenon is absolutely disgusting. When will people learn that more guns are not the answer.


GrinningCat, I understand and respect your position on gun control. I truly do. It is the right decision for you.

What is lacking is the the inability of gun control advocates to dial the emotion down and have a reasonable conversation - see past the fear, dislike, distaste for guns. I have seen gun owners called idiots, disgusting, uneducated, morons, etc. Fear breeds more fear. Hate breads more hate. You are seeing the reaction from law abiding citizens against the constant spew of vitriol. I am not saying this reaction is right or wrong. What I am saying is everyone needs to take a look in the mirror and ask if their "behavior" toward this issue is helping or hindering their cause and own it.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 5:52:32 PM

Wow, I'm all for gun control, but really Kelpea? To call this a "theater shooting" is a disgrace to every single person who died in Colorado.


I agree. And ignorant statements such as the OP's misleading thread title totally detract from the SOLID arguments in favor of stricter gun control.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 5:57:56 PM

What is lacking is the the inability of gun control advocates to dial the emotion down and have a reasonable conversation - see past the fear, dislike, distaste for guns. I have seen gun owners called idiots, disgusting, uneducated, morons, etc. Fear breeds more fear. Hate breads more hate. You are seeing the reaction from law abiding citizens against the constant spew of vitriol. I am not saying this reaction is right or wrong. What I am saying is everyone needs to take a look in the mirror and ask if their "behavior" toward this issue is helping or hindering their cause and own it.
Simply put, more guns isn't going to help. The frenzy to buy more guns is not the answer. That someone thinks that they have to frantically go out and buy more guns because they might be taken away is completely illogical. There is no excuse for buying more guns. What excuse could there be? None. I know that my opinion is not popular here, but I don't care. I hear about people buying more guns out of fear and I feel like an alien because it's so foreign. People don't need guns, to think that people do and are frantically add more guns to the problem just blows my mind.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 6:14:50 PM
Less guns is not the answer either. WHEN are people going to address it is MENTAL ILLNESS? Urgh!!!!!!!


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Posted: 1/13/2013 6:22:25 PM

ignorant statements such as the OP's misleading thread title totally detract from the SOLID arguments in favor of stricter gun control.


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Posted: 1/13/2013 6:47:27 PM
Completely leaving out any other part of the things you wrote because the others are capably calling you out, I'll commment on this:


I can't get my head around why it's okay to have them and go to a movie theater with one to do damage to another human being.


Responsible gun owners, responsible non-guns owners , I would think all of us agree - it's NOT okay to have a gun and go anywhere to do damage to another human being (outside of combat, that is).





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Posted: 1/13/2013 6:59:33 PM
Hmmm...if that guy had killed one person in the theater, and this exact same thing was posted, would it still be a slap in the face to any other theater shoot outs? Is there a cut of of so many people killed before they can claim "shoot out"? Or if two people are killed, it's not quite as bad as the other shoot out's...sooooo, I was just wondering what the rules were about all this???


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Posted: 1/13/2013 7:22:10 PM
He had one person he wanted to confront, not the whole theater, I don't get it either.

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[quoteWow, I'm all for gun control, but really Kelpea? To call this a "theater shooting" is a disgrace to every single person who died in Colorado.


I agree. And ignorant statements such as the OP's misleading thread title totally detract from the SOLID arguments in favor of stricter gun control. ] [/quote]

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To GrinningCat... I have said it before and I will say it again...not every person lives in white picket fence suburbia, many of us live a lifestyle that REQUIRES guns!!! We have livestock to protect...we have freezers to fill...we live where bears and wolves actually do cause havoc on a day to day basis...my husband, on any given day, runs into a pack or two of wolves...a few months back, he was walking across a forty and had three wolves charge him, testing him...I could go on and on, but I doubt you can grasp the concept...but we NEED guns...and you know what? Even if I lived in white picket fence suburbia, as a US citizen, I want to retain the right to hunt, to target shoot, to OWN and use guns!!

And ok, take away guns...then what? How about nail guns, and chainsaws, and drills, and large knives...think a gun leaves a mess...picture a crazed, Kevlar protected man running through a building with a running chainsaw...if someone is nuts and wants to take out a mass of people, they don't need a gun, they just need to be nuts...how about cars? I don't mean getting in an accident with one...I mean, no gun, so lets take a car and look for a group of kids crossing a crosswalk and mow them down...it's not guns that are the problem.



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I have never felt as safe as I did at that show though. And the people we talked to and dealt with were some of the nicest people I've ever met. Normal everyday Americans. But there was a thread of tension and urgency that could be felt. It's bad...Obama and the looney left are creating a monster, that's for sure.





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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:37:02 PM

WHEN are people going to address it is MENTAL ILLNESS? Urgh!!!!!!!
Well, you certainly won't get the OP to discuss that issue. She has a mentally ill son at home that she ignores so she can spend all her time being an attention whore on this board.



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Posted: 1/13/2013 9:37:57 PM

I can't get my head around why it's okay to have them and go to a movie theater with one to do damage to another human being.


There's nothing to get your head around. No responsible gun owner carries a gun with the intent to do damage to a person. That's not what people who are against gun control ever say nor is that the case here - the suspect didn't go into a movie theater to shoot anybody, he was hiding. He was shot by police officers doing their job.

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Posted: 1/13/2013 11:16:30 PM

Simply put, more guns isn't going to help. The frenzy to buy more guns is not the answer. That someone thinks that they have to frantically go out and buy more guns because they might be taken away is completely illogical. There is no excuse for buying more guns. What excuse could there be? None. I know that my opinion is not popular here, but I don't care. I hear about people buying more guns out of fear and I feel like an alien because it's so foreign. People don't need guns, to think that people do and are frantically add more guns to the problem just blows my mind.


It's completely logical and should be an expected reaction to all the political handwringing. People are buying what they can now before it's too late.





And the people we talked to and dealt with were some of the nicest people I've ever met. Normal everyday Americans. But there was a thread of tension and urgency that could be felt. It's bad...Obama and the looney left are creating a monster, that's for sure.

You better believe that there is a very deep undercurrent sharing this sentiment throughout our country, and there's increasing concern about what's coming next on the agenda.

People are just trying to live their private lives and the government is changing everything.

How many of you can drive in one direction for 4.5 hours or more and be in completely rural areas for all but a few minutes? It's not like there's police or grocery stores every couple of miles throughout this entire huge country, yet look how many people who have never seen a real gun and have every convenience at their fingertips are trying to decide what is right for everybody else.











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Posted: 1/14/2013 12:52:20 AM

Looks like a guy trying to commit "suicide by cop" to me. Not so much a "theater shooting" but good try at trying to create drama where there is none. It really helps the gun debate when people misrepresent situations in order to inflame the masses.


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Posted: 1/14/2013 1:23:17 AM

This phenomenon is absolutely disgusting. When will people learn that more guns are not the answer.


Because to SOME of us guns are a tool or, less importantly, a hobby.

If there was a chance that we would only be able to buy tiny little hammers from now on, you bet my husband would by 10 hammers. At least. If we were going to ban all books... I'd be stocking my library. (Poor comparison I know, but it's late, and that's the hobby I love most.)


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June 2003
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Loc: Just come out so we can talk. Or sing about it.

Posted: 1/14/2013 1:25:13 AM
Also, one more thing, we're not defending the SHOOTING. We're defending our right to bear arms.
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