"Photos capture man with a rifle shopping at JCPenney"---should this be legal?

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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:40:04 PM

If this is legal in Utah, is the next stop an elementary school? Where exactly is the line between responsible and irresponsible?






Yeah probably.

You can be certain these ballsy guys won't be dropping by the Mexican border towns, the local hood, anywhere near a police department, or anywhere else actually dangerous to confront the evil guys or press home their point.

You will only see them swaggering around nice safe suburban neighbourhoods, JCP's, the local elementary school, any place in fact with a preponderance of women and children I would imagine.








The further details of the Utah fruitcake just convince me further that he is exactly the type of individual who probably needs a mental health check, which I said on the first or second page.







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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:41:12 PM
    So Sidwell does not have armed guards and the guy did not call JCP.


I do believe that is where things stand.

But I personally still count the Secret Service as armed guards at Sidwell.

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Posted: 1/20/2013 9:44:11 PM

Mrs T is not going to provide a source because she probably made it up or we misunderstood what she meant.





I'm quite sure it's the latter.

She really doesn't have much credibility left after all the unsubstantiated statements she's been caught making lately.

I really don't want "lately" to signify that this is something new.







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Posted: 1/20/2013 10:33:22 PM

She really doesn't have much credibility left after all the unsubstantiated statements she's been caught making lately.

This is why there is no real discussion here. It's not about discussing the issue for you, it's only about proving somebody wrong. Words are twisted and then argued with as if that is what was really said. Then when SHE misquoted the article, that detail is held onto like a dog with a bone. Never mind the same thing was just done to her, that's okay for the opposing side to do.

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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:13:12 PM

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Posted: 1/20/2013 11:27:23 PM

But I personally still count the Secret Service as armed guards at Sidwell


But they aren't provided by the school, as Mrs. T and others asserted. Armed guards are NOT provided by SF. The Secret Service is provided by the Federal Government to protect the First children and ONLY the first children.

Again, the main thrust of the discussion was essentially "if Malia and Sasha go to a school that provides armed guards, why can't my kids get that protection. Isn't it HYPOCRITICAL AND ELITIST of the President to enroll his children in a school that provides armed guards and not support that for the rest of the American children?"

Mrs. T asserted that she read (from various sources) that SIDWELL FRIENDS provided those armed guards. I don't think that Maureen is out of step for asking for those sources.

Pretty simple, huh?

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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:10:55 AM

Mrs. T asserted that she read (from various sources) that SIDWELL FRIENDS provided those armed guards. I don't think that Maureen is out of step for asking for those sources.

Pretty simple, huh?

Sources were provided, Angievp.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:20:03 AM
What's the story behind that pic, desertpea?

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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:43:52 AM

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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:45:59 AM
From DesertPea's link...


Heinlein: When everyone has a gun, guns are no longer seen as talismans by weak, frightened, and unstable men seeking a sense of self-validation, but as killing machines that are to be handled with the utmost caution and care.


This is what you find in rural areas with high concentrations of guns, especially those used for hunting purposes.


Guns are dangerous. You always assume it's loaded. You don't aim a gun at someone unless you are willing to use it.

The gun at the NC show that discharged as the case was being opened makes me think that the owner did a poor job of securing and stowing his weapon.

More safety education is definitely an area to be considered if there are to be more regulations. This is a good example of why.




I'm more than a little surprised to read your remark about Chicago, Scrappower. I think I understand what you meant, but there's much to learn by paying more attention to that city, not less.






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Posted: 1/21/2013 2:43:42 AM

What you're forgetting is that they can do that anyway. Call or no call. The Penny's guy does not change that.


Yes, but many people in this thread have shown that their first instinct would be to leave and/or call the police. If many of the peas were working when this guy came in, they probably would call the cops. Or a customer may come up to the staff to let them know. Since he called, the staff would say 'oh, we know he's here, don't worry about it'. Then they're all shot.


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Posted: 1/21/2013 4:54:16 AM
If I'm not mistaken, in the article it says that Utah is an open carry state. He's not breaking any law so by calling 911 you'd be tying up the emergency line more than helping. It's up to each person as to what they do and up to each person as to how they react to each person. If he's not breaking the law then there's really nothing you can do about it. In our state there's certain places you can't carry concealed like a church, bar, school, etc. But if you have a permit you are allowed to carry.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 6:29:14 AM

Mrs. T asserted that she read (from various sources) that SIDWELL FRIENDS provided those armed guards. I don't think that Maureen is out of step for asking for those sources.

Pretty simple, huh?


Sources were provided, Angievp.


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Posted: 1/21/2013 6:29:20 AM

Mrs. T asserted that she read (from various sources) that SIDWELL FRIENDS provided those armed guards. I don't think that Maureen is out of step for asking for those sources.

Pretty simple, huh?


Sources were provided, Angievp.


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Posted: 1/21/2013 6:40:41 AM
"I find this frightening because if you can blatantly carry a gun like this out in the open, some nut case who does intend to harm people can do this. Right before they start using it, it was legal. "
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That statement is totally devoid of logic. It makes no difference if they carry open or concealed.

So, you are saying you would prefer to be blissfully unaware that a person intent on doing harm with a gun keep it hidden until he decides its time to unleash his assault? You would rather just not know, and not know if anyone was nearby that was capable of stopping him?





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Posted: 1/21/2013 6:46:43 AM

Sources were provided, Angievp.


I'm not interested in the sources you or anyone else but Mrs. T can provide. Did Mrs. T rely on those same sources? You know, the INTERNETS () is a big place, with more than one source. As someone else posted just now, I think Mrs. T is adult enough to come to her own rescue, and since she continuously makes the assertion that she is very WELL LEARNED on Second Amendment issues, then I'm positive that her "sources" were above reproach. I'm sure she doesn't need anyone else doing her homework for her.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 6:51:43 AM
No that is not okay. There is no way that anyone can sanely justify that. It's wrong. Period. And nothing will change my mind about that. That photo is disgusting and that man is an absolutely irresponsible loser asshole for carrying that gun in public. That gun does not belong in public, nor does that man. He should be a social pariah of the most extreme case for being so irresponsible and stupid for carrying that gun in public. If he's that stupid to do that, what other irresponsible things is he doing in his life?

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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:13:54 AM
    But I personally still count the Secret Service as armed guards at Sidwell

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    But they aren't provided by the school, as Mrs. T and others asserted. Armed guards are NOT provided by SF. The Secret Service is provided by the Federal Government to protect the First children and ONLY the first children.

    Again, the main thrust of the discussion was essentially "if Malia and Sasha go to a school that provides armed guards, why can't my kids get that protection. Isn't it HYPOCRITICAL AND ELITIST of the President to enroll his children in a school that provides armed guards and not support that for the rest of the American children?"

    Mrs. T asserted that she read (from various sources) that SIDWELL FRIENDS provided those armed guards. I don't think that Maureen is out of step for asking for those sources.

    Pretty simple, huh?


Secret Service protection is provided to more than just the President's children. The end result, regardless of who signs the paycheck, is there are armed guards at Sidwell. And considering we are talking about children of the leaders of the free world attending Sidwell, there is not a damn one of us on this board who are 100% in the know about what Sidwell's security details consists of - people or weapon wise. Sidwell can contract to a third party company for armed security and their website would still be correct. the point is - no one on this board knows.

Pretty simple, huh?

What is hypocritical and elitist? When the President signs executive orders clearly showing he hasn't done his job in the past FOUR years and continues to pass legislation forcing Americans against their personal choices (i.e. Obamacare).

And what is most hypocritical is the shit-storm, witch-hunt, pile-on being done again Mrs. Tyler when those of you who can research sources just as easily as anyone else, and engage critical thinking skills to see both sides, continue to do nothing to stir the pot and cause drama even when she comes back and corrects herself. Then again, the word respect is selective around here.

Lastly, IMHO, you want a real conversation on gun control from those who support gun rights, own your own bad behavior first which is clearly evidenced in this five-page thread.

I now turn all respectful conversation over to Mapchic and Lynlam.

ETA:
- Changed six years to FOUR years.
- Another thought on the Secret Service detail: The Secret Service does not allow anyone to be armed in the vicinity of the subjects they are assigned to protect. If this rule is true at Sidwell, it would make sense why Sidwell does not employ armed guards because the Secret Service is armed.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:21:42 AM
The whole point of the other thread was that the NRA said that Sidwell Friends has their own 11 armed security guards. That turned out to be false. They were NOT talking about the SS. There was no twisting of words or demanding of anything, it was cut and dry. That is why some asked to see the sources, because they had been disputed. It really is no big conspiracy or witch hunt Willow.

ETE---I ask for sources so I can read them and inform myself if things have changed or been misstated. I want to know the facts, no what is spoonfed to me. I am willing to change my mind and view on things.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:24:45 AM

What is hypocritical and elitist? When the President signs executive orders clearly showing he hasn't done his job in the past six years and continues to pass legislation forcing Americans against their personal choices (i.e. Obamacare).


First, he has been president for four years not six.

Second, legislation is passed by congress not the President.

Third, I thought that the Executive order was "useless" and "didn't do anything"

Fourth, I really think that President Obama could cure cancer, AIDS and and Heart disease and some people would find fault with it.


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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:24:56 AM
You said that well WillowJane...I never get my point across clearly at all...the anti gun crowd infuriates me, with 'their view is always right, everyone else is wrong'...

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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:24:56 AM
You said that well WillowJane...I never get my point across clearly at all...the anti gun crowd infuriates me, with 'their view is always right, everyone else is wrong'...



Who here is anti-gun? And who is saying they are always right? Not me.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:30:03 AM

with 'their view is always right, everyone else is wrong'...
Pot meet kettle?

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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:32:08 AM

When the President signs executive orders clearly showing he hasn't done his job in the past six years


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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:38:25 AM

When the President signs executive orders clearly showing he hasn't done his job in the past six years


What?


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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:41:53 AM

with 'their view is always right, everyone else is wrong'...
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Pot meet kettle?


I never said I was always right...opposite actually...what i said was:


it comes down to what I have been trying to say, and that is people should try to get their heads out of the sand and be realistic...don't believe every headline you read, every comment made by 'someone' in the know...yeah, no one lies...wish I did live in your world...


But hell, I was told I wasn't raped and that i am bad grandmother...so who is the all knowing? Not me, that is for sure...I even said I was not perfect...just human...I even got trashed for saying that...and yes, I did delete my posts, in a moment of sheer disbelief that people on a forum could be so gutwrenchingly heartless...but it didn't really matter, as pretty much all I wrote is still tehre in quotes.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:45:10 AM
My DH is a middle school social studies teacher just like Mrs T, and he thinks she's an idiot. Goes to show that not everyone who claims they are well versed in the second amendment will be seen as so by all of their peers.

If I saw that gun like that I would assume the guy was there to take out someone and I would high tail it out of there. Shame on JCP for allowing it. Some gun proponent on this thread will still sing the same tune when one of their loved ones gets taken out by a legal gun. And then probably justify why guns are good, like Gabby Giffords and her husband. If you think background checks are going to identify the nutters of the world you are so very wrong. Most of them never are identified as nutters until the media dissecton after their massacre. But then, most murders are done singularly, not mass shootings.


I never get my point across clearly at all...the anti gun crowd infuriates me, with 'their view is always right, everyone else is wrong'...


And I feel the EXACT same way about you. People like you scare the fuck out of me.


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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:46:56 AM



I provided them in the thread a few weeks back when we were discussing the armed guards vs police liaison. I referred to when I was looking into that issue.


Okay well that was the Breibart source which has been found to be untrue. Thanks. That is all I wanted to know. If there was another source out there that I had missed. I am willing to look at all of the info out there.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:54:26 AM
OK - the President has been in office FOUR years, not six. I own that typo and have clearly edited the post.

As for the executive orders, you can see what has already been done by local governments because the Federal government did not take action:

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background-check system.

    NCIS has been in place since 1998. Why has this not been done since his original campaign promise was to get more of the governments IT infrastructure ingrained for information sharing?


2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background-check system.

    See above.


3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background - check system.

    States already "share" information with NCIS. Why are "incentives" needed? See #1.


4. Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

    See #1


5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

    Local LEO's already do this.


6. Publish a letter from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

    Licensed gun dealers know how to do this already.


7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

    NRA and NSSF have been doing this for years.


8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

    Already been done by gun manufacturers and other gun rights advocacy groups.


9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

    Already being done at the local levels.


10. Release a Department of Justice report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

    Stats available and can be run by anyone at any time if you know where to look.


11. Nominate an ATF director.

    Four years and this has not been done?


12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

    Local LEO's already do this.


13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

    Local LEO's already do this.


14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

    CDC has already done this.


15. Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun-safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

    Already been done by gun manufacturers and other gun rights advocacy groups.


16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

    No comment as ACA will continue to need clarification.


17. Release a letter to healthcare providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

    Already being done at the local levels.


18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

    Already being done at the local levels.


19. Develop model emergency-response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

    Has been done at the local levels.


20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

    Been done - the manual needs to be read.


21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within Affordable Care Act exchanges.

    No comment as ACA will continue to need clarification.


22. Commit to finalizing mental-health parity regulations.

    Needs more detail.


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Posted: 1/21/2013 8:56:58 AM

Another thought on the Secret Service detail: The Secret Service does not allow anyone to be armed in the vicinity of the subjects they are assigned to protect. If this rule is true at Sidwell, it would make sense why Sidwell does not employ armed guards because the Secret Service is armed.



No. It would makes sense that Sidwell does not employ armed guards because they are a QUAKER school. Expecting them to do so would be like expecting a Catholic School to provide abortions in the health room.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:03:54 AM
Not all of us "agree" with the EOs. We are not the Borg, we are individuals with out own ideas and thoughts. Just because I voted for Obama doesn't mean I agree with him 100% of the time and I am willing to speak out against him when I don't agree. I did in the EO thread. Not sure why that needs to be brought here....shrug.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:06:02 AM

Well you aren't my teacher or my parent and if you think it's your job to teach me a lesson, think again.


What lesson was I trying to teach? I was merely making an observation.

People were asking you to back up your information (which contrary to the sudden opposition to it, has been a requirement of this board as long as I can remember)...and you responded that you would ask your husband.

And then you did ask your husband and let us all know, though he was rolling his eyes at the 'demands' (because asking for facts is such a silly, little thing), he was wrong and you had presented the information as it was wrongly presented to you (making it quite clear that once again, YOU were not to going to be found at fault).

And then, as luck would have it, several people in your absence posted links for you, hence my comment.

Your posts so often reek of middle school behavior (YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO...and I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK and YOU DON'T MATTER TO ME) that I have a hard time remembering I'm trying to converse with an adult.

In closing, I will fully admit, you bring out the worst in me. It used to be that I just didn't agree with your opinions but you know what? I just don't like you. Not that it makes my remarks any better, but in my ten years here I have never said that to another pea. It doesn't really make me feel all that great to say it now, truth be told. But it is what it is and as you've so often reminded, you don't care anyway.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:11:43 AM
I would love to hear from some of the posters on this thread that they are completely fine with the sight of people like this man at their local stores becoming the norm for what their CHILDREN see. This is the world you want your children living in? And if you and your child had been in line directly behind that man, you would have stayed exactly where you were, and leaned over to tell your child what exactly when he or she spotted the weapon? "It's okay, Sally. He's perfectly safe and has a legal right to carry his weapon here."

That line of thinking just does not compute for me. I don't have children, but I still can not imagine being okay with this type of thing becoming a trend. And those defending his right to do this, to me, are indicating that if everyone at the JC Penney were armed in this way, it would be perfectly okay. I just really don't understand.

I am also frustrated by the lack of understanding by some that the people against this are anti-gun. My DH OWNS a gun. This is not a black and white issue for many of us. We don't want your damn gun. It's not all or nothing.



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I would love to hear from some of the posters on this thread that they are completely fine with the sight of people like this man at their local stores becoming the norm for what their CHILDREN see. This is the world you want your children living in? And if you and your child had been in line directly behind that man, you would have stayed exactly where you were, and leaned over to tell your child what exactly when he or she spotted the weapon? "It's okay, Sally. He's perfectly safe and has a legal right to carry his weapon here."

That line of thinking just does not compute for me. I don't have children, but I still can not imagine being okay with this type of thing becoming a trend. And those defending his right to do this, to me, are indicating that if everyone at the JC Penney were armed in this way, it would be perfectly okay. I just really don't understand.

I am also frustrated by the lack of understanding by some that the people against this are anti-gun. My DH OWNS a gun. This is not a black and white issue for many of us. We don't want your damn gun. It's not all or nothing.


I completely agree and want to know as well. Why should this be okay or the norm? I am so thankful I don't live in a state where open carry is legal. It is not okay to me and seriously makes my skin crawl. But that doesn't make me ANTI anything.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:40:55 AM

You often act like its your job to keep us "lesser perfect" peas on the right path.


I'm sorry, but from my own experience on this board, I would estimate that this statement is a reflection of YOUR insecurities. Expecting someone to be accountable for what they say is not the same thing as expecting perfection.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 9:48:28 AM
You brought it up on the pinocchio thread too MrsT saying that you had done research and you found that SF did in fact have armed guards, disputing the fact that the head of SF said there isn't. Of course someone is going to ask what those sources were. You didn't post them there. Just because you did on another thread doesn't mean we should have to search for them. YOU were the one that brought them up, not us.

Here is the post for the record:


The NRA should be more responsible with their facts just like I'm sure they'd like from the administration. It doesn't give off the kind of impression I expect from such a large and important organization. It bums me out that they're reducing themselves to that level. They don't need to make up stuff to show Americans how important the 2nd Amendment is nor do they have to invent ways the president is a hypocrite on the subject of gun control. There are enough legitimate facts they could have used. (Though I will say I researched the school the Obama girls attend and found various sources that stated they had armed guards aside for the secret service.)




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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:01:35 AM
Nevermind. Just not worth it.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:08:41 AM

I know I'm not the only pea who tires of kikinicole's hand slapping.


C'mon. Be a big girl, MrsT. Really. Fight your own battle and don't rely on the backing of others to voice your opinion. How *you* feel is every bit as important as how others do...I don't know who told you that you a big posse to back you up in order to say what you feel, but you don't.

I'm stating how *I* feel. About you. And only you. And I don't need anyone else to tell me it's okay or not okay to say so...why? Because I am a 44 year old intelligent woman, not a middle school teenage girl who is afraid of what my friends might think. I'm not entirely proud of my reaction, but it's been like a wave welling up inside me for so long, it finally just burst the dam.

And furthermore, I am confident and opinionated and, sometimes, outspoken...I own it and make no apologies for that. As you would say, how you interpret those opinions (and if you choose to see them as a slap) is entirely up to you. But you should know...it is my habit to offer to someone the same amount of respect that is given from them.


~Kristen~

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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:14:46 AM

And when I got wrong information from my DH about JCP being called ahead of time, I admitted I was wrong.


Actually, what you did, if I'm not mistaken...was admit that your HUSBAND was wrong.

But whatever. I've never 'demanded' a thing from anyone here, least of all you.


~Kristen~

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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:14:51 AM

And when I got wrong information from my DH about JCP being called ahead of time, I admitted I was wrong.


Actually, what you did, if I'm not mistaken...was admit that your HUSBAND was wrong.

But whatever. I've never 'demanded' a thing from anyone here, least of all you.


~Kristen~

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Posted: 1/21/2013 10:20:16 AM

But your "be a big girl" comment is exactly the the kind of statement I was referring to.


And your 'and I have friends who feel the same way as I do' is the kind of statement I was referring to when I say: Middle. School.

And with that, I will quit participating in such behavior.


~Kristen~

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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:28:09 AM

I provided them in the thread a few weeks back when we were discussing the armed guards vs police liaison.

If I had known, I wouldn't have bothered.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 11:56:26 AM
Thanks for the link desertpea.

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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:08:46 PM

I was saying it makes sense that people might be misinformed on the matter because multiple articles had mentioned it.


I admit that I haven't followed these posts super closely, but as I understand it, wasn't it only one article that was republished multiple times all originating from Breitbart? That would constitute one article, right?

ETA: Or sourced from the single incorrect article?



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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:52:47 PM

There was no twisting of words or demanding of anything, it was cut and dry.
That is not a true statement.

Here is what she actually said:

(Though I will say I researched the school the Obama girls attend and found various sources that stated they had armed guards aside for the secret service.)



And here is just one of the quotes that has the twisting of her words and a demand all in one post:

I'm still waiting for her to back up her statement yesterday that she had proof there were armed guards at Sidwell Friends. I have a feeling we will both be waiting a long time.
There are others.

Here's another demand:

I'm not interested in the sources you or anyone else but Mrs. T can provide.
There's a lot more but that'll do it.




It really is no big conspiracy or witch hunt Willow.
Sure looks like a witch hunt to me.



I am willing to change my mind and view on things.
Here's hoping that isn't another untrue statement from you.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 12:57:23 PM
I see no magazine clip, the chamber is open, meaning the firearm right now can only be used as a club - no ammo = unarmed. (this version of the image capture is blurry, I saw a sharper image elsewhere). The person is also properly carrying it, and showing that it is "safe" no ammo, no rounds in the chamber. It's how you are supposed to carry it in public.

In countries like Switzerland or Israel I would not look twice at this (there are lots more people going around with rifles in both places). With the t-shirt... he's making a provocative statement. Which, as shown here with 5 pages, IS GETTING HIM NOTICED, is causing a disruption, is provoking some to "want to take action." Legally or not.

I do not think he is crazy, deranged or even a danger to society (in general). Do I think he is making a powerful statement that many if not most might find provoking? Yes. Did I think it is a smart way to do so, to get a conversation going? No. Do I think he might find himself being "roughed-up" or worse? Yes.

Reminder that SEMI-automatic means that once you fire ONE round, the shell casing is ejected and the next round is chambered. (When the weapon is properly maintained and cleaned). One round = one trigger pull = one shot.

Much of the "scary movie" look for an AR-15 is in all the plastic/composite materials that would have been made from wood only a couple decades earlier, and look more like a "TV western" rifle, than the latest "super action movie" weapon.


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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:21:15 PM

NCIS has been in place since 1998.


That should be NICS - National Instant Criminal Background Check System - and it is part of the FBI.

Not to be confused with NCIS - Naval Criminal Investigative Service.







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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:25:51 PM

Not to be confused with NCIS - Naval Criminal Investigative Service.


or the show.



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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:37:56 PM
Right. I love that show!

So not the same thing.






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Posted: 1/21/2013 1:43:12 PM

In countries like Switzerland or Israel I would not look twice at this (there are lots more people going around with rifles in both places).



Of course you wouldn't. But you failed to explain WHY. Maybe it's deliberate or just b/c you don't actually know.

In Switzerland where the men have compulsory military service and they have a 'people's militia.' in Israel where conscription is mandatory so everyone is TRAINED to carry the weapon they are carrying and screened psychologically.

Apples and oranges.


OK. Newbie. This is how it works. If your post consists of 80% sanity, 10% stupidity and 10% all kinds of crazy, we immediately focus on the 20% b/c it discredits the 80%.



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