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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:10:49 PM
Strict gun control.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:15:48 PM
I'm also in the strict & enforced regulation camp. Like I've said many times, almost everyone I know hunts...and growing up in an extreme rural area we did use guns to protect our livestock from wild animals on occasion.


My little guy (see siggy pic) has had a series of "Possum Picnics" at school where he and his classmates hide in their cubbies and remain - I quote - "very quiet just in case a bad stranger comes to our school to hurt us". I'm heartbroken just typing that. He shouldn't have to worry about that!! And my husband and I shouldn't have to spend our evening reassuring him that he'll be ok. Especially when I don't even know that it's the tr


My 8th grade son (that's him in my siggy, although that pic appears to be about 7 years old, he's 13 & 5 foot 8 now ) watched a video at school last week about what to do in a shooting.

He learned about running in a zig zag pattern.
He learned to make a barricade for the door. To throw things at the shooters head, and to coordinate 4 people to tackle the shooter, one grabbing him from behind & basically putting his head in a bear hug, the 2nd doing the same thing to his torso, and the 3rd grabbing his legs...the 4th does a running tackle, the rest of the class then dog pile on him & hold him down until help arrives.

I still can't believe this is where we are...that our teachers have no choice but to teach our kids what to do in case a madman shows up. I understand it, I even appreciate it, but I cannot believe it.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:16:51 PM
Personally, I would love to live in a world without guns. But the reality is that is never going to happen. So I am in favor of law enforcement having guns.

Aside from that, I think guns could be used for particular purposes; I am against hunting but I accept it, so if people want to hunt, or have paintball guns or air soft guns in those appropriate settings.

I do not want to live in a place where people all around me have guns; concealed, not concealed, whatever. I don't want to be worried about what person carrying a gun feels threatened and pulls theirs out and starts shooting. I don't want people carrying guns into bars and getting drunk.

I guess this means that I would accept gun regulation, but would prefer gun banning.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:19:36 PM
I haven't quite made my mind up entirely regarding this subject. But what I do agree with is that background checks need to be done on every gun purchase and the information needs to be a federal system. From what I've been told is that each state has their own system to check and may be missing out on information from other states. The check needs to be for the entire nation, not just one state.

I do have to agree with this too:

I favor caring for and treating the mentally ill. I think it is less the guns fault and more the person holding it. I also believe regulation is important. Living in Chicago with some of the toughest guns laws in the country and the highest murder rate- I don't think banning them will change anything.


I think we need to put more emphasis on caring for those that would feel the need to use the gun in a harmful way. We forget to treat the problem, and just put a band aid on it (like banning the guns all together).

Thanks for sharing your opinions. It helps me learn more about things.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:23:48 PM

To throw things at the shooters head, and to coordinate 4 people to tackle the shooter, one grabbing him from behind & basically putting his head in a bear hug, the 2nd doing the same thing to his torso, and the 3rd grabbing his legs...the 4th does a running tackle, the rest of the class then dog pile on him & hold him down until help arrives.

WTF kind of world do we live in where out middle schoolers are being taught in school how to tackle a shooter? Seriously, wtf?


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- I am in favor of the Federal, state, and local governments along with the mental health system ensuring that pertinent information is passed accordingly during background checks for gun purchases - juvenile records, felony records, misdemeanor records, and severe mental health diagnosis.

- I am in favor of having ALL gun purchasers go through a background check closing the gun show loophole.

- If there is ANY indication that a member of the family or a resident of the family has a mental incapacity living in the home and would have access to any firearms, something would need to be done to insure that person could not access the weapon. I don't know how to make this happen without violating a person's right to privacy, but this is something that must be addressed considering recent events.

- I am in favor of all gun purchasers go through safety training and range testing for the type of weapon they want to purchase in order to show proficiency in using it.

- I am in favor of those citizens who want to carry a concealed weapon be able to do so after training and range qualification of 80%. Re-certification happens every year or every other year for citizens. This qualification percentage is higher than most LEO agencies (LEOs have a 70% proficiency).

- I am still on the fence about private gun sales. They need some type of background check/controls to ensure they do not fall into the wrong hands. I do not have any suggestions right now on how to make that happen.

- I am in favor of the federal government clearly defining what an assault weapon is based on mechanics - not cosmetics.

- Get rid of No Gun Zones for the time being. The last few highly visible public shootings have all happened in NGZ areas.

- I am in favor that those who want to legislate guns must sit through a two day course than includes instruction on how the gun works, taking it apart, cleaning it, putting it back together, and shooting it. If you are going to legislate it, you need to understand how it operates.

- Start tracking the number of reports when private citizens use a gun to stop a crime from being committed. Right now this information is not tracked by any agency. LEOs do not track this information because a crime was not committed. We can't have good gun control if we don't have a clear understanding of what benefit they are providing.

What should NOT be limited:
- Magazines and the number of rounds they hold
- Ammunition purchases
- Number of guns owned
- Telling people how they should store their guns

This is not an inclusive list


Sums up my thoughts exactly. I also don't think any guns should be banned except fully automatic ones (which already are). So if a person goes through all the above he or she can own an AR-15 and the like.




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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:25:55 PM
I tend to lean liberal. I do not want a ban on guns. I would like to see the laws we have now enforced. I would like to see the loopholes on gun shows and private sales closed. I would like to see some training and certification for people who want to own guns. I grew up in a house with guns. I have a brother who was very seriously injured in a gun accident, yet I still don't have a fear of gun ownership like a lot of people do. Ironically, in DH's family, I am probably the most liberal (other than our kids) and I am the only one who supports gun ownership.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:29:55 PM
ITA w/ everything Lefty posted.

ETA: I didn't remember that Lefty had restricted the measures she posted to Texas. I would be in favor of those here in Louisiana as well.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:29:58 PM

Our parents were hiding under desks for air raid drills in their schools learning about nuclear war.


I'm sorry in advance because I truly don't mean to pick on you, but sometimes you seem so very stuck in the past. We don't live there anymore!! It's almost like you have an issue with progress!

ITA with Scrappower and others who have echoed her sentiments.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:38:07 PM

Our parents were hiding under desks for air raid drills in their schools learning about nuclear war. Yes it is sad that there are criminals who have decided schools are targets and I believe even stricter gun control won't change that sad reality.


Well, my parents were doing a lot of things that I don't think we should be repeating or modeling...can I tell you how many pictures of my mother in law show her pregnant & smoking with her oldest? Oh, and the occasional drink too.

I know you're saying it's a sad reality, but it feels like you're trying to make it ok as well. It's not ok.

It is possible that my sons school is taking this so seriously due to a student bringing a gun to school on November 20. He didn't do anything with it, just had it in his locker & showed friends (pointed it at friends) The kids told authorities, the police came to school, the kid has been expelled. The staff was really shook up by it though.

eta - and the parents were shook up as well obviously. The kids really weren't. They know the kid & describe him as "funny, nice, a little crazy" They're just positive he didn't mean anything by it. He just didn't comprehend that it was wrong, etc. They can't even begin to think about the possibility of a friend bringing a gun to harm them.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:44:31 PM
I don't want a total ban, I was stronger regulations that get enforced. In fact, I agree wit the Pea on P.1 who listed the PITA requirements for owning a vehicle. Guns should be at least that much of a PITA to own, operate and resell.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:55:51 PM
In my mind, there's a huge difference with teaching a kid how to avoid danger by running or hiding, and teaching them to confront danger by tackling the shooter. Hiding under a desk to avoid nuclear fallout is nowhere in the same galaxy as trying to put an active shooter in a headlock.

These are 13 year olds we're talking about here. You are really OK with a 13 year old's safety plan being to coordinate with a bunch of other children to tackle a crazy person with a gun?

I have a 13yo and a 14yo. Tackling an armed shooter has never entered our school safety discussions. And it never will. The hell if I'm setting my kid up to be the lunatic's next target. There is nothing bulletproof floating about in our gene pool.


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Personally, I would love to live in a world without guns. But the reality is that is never going to happen. So I am in favor of law enforcement having guns.

Aside from that, I think guns could be used for particular purposes; I am against hunting but I accept it, so if people want to hunt, or have paintball guns or air soft guns in those appropriate settings.

I do not want to live in a place where people all around me have guns; concealed, not concealed, whatever. I don't want to be worried about what person carrying a gun feels threatened and pulls theirs out and starts shooting. I don't want people carrying guns into bars and getting drunk.

I guess this means that I would accept gun regulation, but would prefer gun banning.


This is just about exactly how I feel, so I just copied it. My heart would love an all-out gun ban, but my head knows that's not feasible and perhaps not desirable, either.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:12:00 PM
While I am in favor of some things mentioned, I am not in favor of a complete ban because prohibition and ban on drugs was so successful, this should be too.




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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:15:16 PM

Reasonable, but strong, regulation and enforcement. Not opposed to gun ownership, but as someone else said, it shouldn't be as simple as sashaying into a gun show and walking out with an arsenal a third world terrorist would be proud to own.

^^^^^^^^This.

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In my mind, there's a huge difference with teaching a kid how to avoid danger by running or hiding, and teaching them to confront danger by tackling the shooter. Hiding under a desk to avoid nuclear fallout is nowhere in the same galaxy as trying to put an active shooter in a headlock.

These are 13 year olds we're talking about here. You are really OK with a 13 year old's safety plan being to coordinate with a bunch of other children to tackle a crazy person with a gun?


Exactly. It is foolhardy and downright dangerous.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:29:58 PM

My 8th grade son (that's him in my siggy, although that pic appears to be about 7 years old, he's 13 & 5 foot 8 now ) watched a video at school last week about what to do in a shooting.

He learned about running in a zig zag pattern.
He learned to make a barricade for the door. To throw things at the shooters head, and to coordinate 4 people to tackle the shooter, one grabbing him from behind & basically putting his head in a bear hug, the 2nd doing the same thing to his torso, and the 3rd grabbing his legs...the 4th does a running tackle, the rest of the class then dog pile on him & hold him down until help arrives.




Oh. My. doG. I'm utterly horrified by this (not at the poster {hugs}, but the decision of the school...). I'm sorry, but an 8th grader is a CHILD. You should be teaching a CHILD how to hide and get to safety, NOT HOW TO TAKE DOWN A CRAZED GUNMAN. That's INSANITY. No kid-NO KID should have even the thought in the back of their mind that it's their responsibility to try to be a hero and take down a shooter. UNREAL.

(yeah, that's a lot of caps. you should have seen how hard my fingers were typing on the keyboard too. Seriously.)


Anyway...

I'm very liberal, and I believe in sensible regulation. I'm a northeastern suburbanite, I cannot pretend to know what it's like to grow up and live in a culture where guns/target-shooting/hunting are a part of everyday life and even family activity, and I don't think I have any place micromanaging someone who lives in a completely different world than I do, on how to live their life. While I'm not completely sold that the spirit of the 2nd Amendment of "the people bearing arms to prevent government suppression" really applies the same way in 2013, it's there, and I respect people who honor the Constitution and the Amendments. (I don't so much respect those hypocrites who shout from the rooftops about honoring #2, but in a heartbeat would enforce a faith-based agenda limiting marriage rights and women's health at the complete and utter expense of #1, totally throwing freedom of religion under the bus... but that's another thread, now isn't it!)

I get so miffed by all the FB postings and whatnot about how "the car doesn't kill the person, the drunk driver does." Really? Thanks, I didn't know! The reality is, we have laws, enforcement procedures, and punishments in place to deter drunk driving. And guess what, they actually help reduce death and injury from DUI. No one (well, not since the 20s!) tried to take everyone's alcohol away just because some people drink and drive, and no one tried to take everyone's car away, either. And yes, some people do still drink and drive. Laws, enforcement structures and punishments have HELPED SAVE LIVES. I just don't see why it's so hard to see it that way.

(sorry, pop up blockers and I can't post a link, but here's just one article referencing DUI and other safety laws having a positive impact on DUI deaths and injuries)
http://www.autoaccidentlawyers-blog.com/2012/10/stricter-laws-reducing-traffic-fatalities.html

In general, I think there is just a wide-spread panic, because the event was just so unimaginably brutal and emotionally charged. I actually think this is not the best time to make laws. (Look what action we took after Pearl Harbor, emprisoning millions of innocent Aisian Americans out of panic. It made sense at the time, because why take a chance, right? In hindsight, what a dark, ugly spot for America. The emotions are totally valid, but the action was extreme, and wrong.) One side is screaming to practically repeal the 2nd Amendment from the Bill of Rights, the other is screaming for kindergarten teachers to pack heat in the classroom.* The mindset is not right for a rational, reasonable set of regulations that protects rights AND people. For as much as we fear what could take place tomorrow if we don't act today, I truly question whether any permanent laws should be passed until a healthy chunk of time has passed and the realities on both sides can be considered with more objectivity, for the best interest of everyone.

*ETA: I don't think the majority fall into these two extremes, but they seem to be doing most of the shouting, setting a really unhealthy, unproductive tone for any attempt at a national discussion...

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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:31:30 PM
I favor stringent regulation as well.




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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:32:14 PM
I still want to know how all the laws you all can think of will deter a felon from walking into a gun shop, picking out a gun, leaving without purchasing it, and then calling his girlfriend with no criminal record/can pass a background check with flying colors to go buy the gun alone.

And then turn it over to him once purchased.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:35:04 PM
Just because criminals might find a way to get a gun doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up and do nothing.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:44:53 PM

still want to know how all the laws you all can think of will deter a felon from walking into a gun shop, picking out a gun, leaving without purchasing it, and then calling his girlfriend with no criminal record/can pass a background check with flying colors to go buy the gun alone.

And then turn it over to him once purchased.




That's called a strawman. Gun dealers are supposed to be trained to look for them. They are not *supposed* to sell to them through different criteria they know them to not be THE gun purchaser. This is not uncommon and reputable dealers are well aware of it and should know how to deal with it since many of them do every single day.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 5:49:26 PM
First, I agree of course, that 13 year olds shouldn't be tackling shooters.

I went & asked ds again about the video & he seems to now think it's only if the gunman has somehow been disarmed, or if his weapon jams etc. Not while he's shooting. He is a bit confused on that though, because he's a 13 year old kid who thinks he's invincible & will be able to out run, out muscle, out hide, out think a shooter.

He has a plan of what to do in every class if there is a shooter. He's confident each plan will work...and all you can do is agree. Because you can't say "if an Adam Lanza, or Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold or James Holmes shows up in your classroom armed to the teeth, throwing your stapler at his head & running out the back entrance is probably not going to help you."

It just sucks that it's a reality for them.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:00:27 PM
I believe in a complete ban on assault rifles. I also think we need better regulation of handguns and shotguns for hunting. The process to obtain a gun needs to be make more difficult and include mental health testing in my opinion.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:01:37 PM
Strict regulation and strict enforcement, which would include bans of certain weapons and ammunition from civilians, and allow access to mental health records of applicants. Not just their signature stating they have no history of mental illness. I think there should be extremely stiff mandatory sentences for any crime committed involving a gun.

And I am well aware that there are no laws that can be passed that will get all the guns already on the street out of the hands of criminals. That is no excuse for not trying everything we can.







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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:04:29 PM
Strict regulation.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:16:16 PM

still want to know how all the laws you all can think of will deter a felon from walking into a gun shop, picking out a gun, leaving without purchasing it, and then calling his girlfriend with no criminal record/can pass a background check with flying colors to go buy the gun alone.

And then turn it over to him once purchased.

That's called a strawman. Gun dealers are supposed to be trained to look for them. They are not *supposed* to sell to them through different criteria they know them to not be THE gun purchaser. This is not uncommon and reputable dealers are well aware of it and should know how to deal with it since many of them do every single day.


Thank you. It is an empty argument.
Where we are, girlfriend would need her FAC. That means girlfriend would have to sit through a gun course, usually at a gun club. Therefore, girlfriend would need to visit the cop shop for a background check which may also involve fingerprinting.
That would involve, registering that paperwork with the government. That would mean renewing that paperwork every few years. Therefore, girlfriend would have to whip out that FAC every time she purchased a gun and/or ammo.

That a helluva lot of "love" and work and a couple months planning and flaunting yourself in front of the cops to get a gun, don't ya think?


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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:27:03 PM
I'm in favor of regulation, but I'm not sure to what extent. Definitely not in favor of banning!


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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:27:21 PM

Just because criminals might find a way to get a gun doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up and do nothing.


YES! I'm SO. SICK. of seeing that crap on Facebook...

In the interest of full disclosure, I would LOVE a total gun ban, HOWEVER, I KNOW that it's not feasible, so I concede to stricter gun control/regulations/punishments for violations/etc. and am not against gun ownership when done responsibly. I AM against private citizens having arsenals...


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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:36:57 PM

That's called a strawman. Gun dealers are supposed to be trained to look for them. They are not *supposed* to sell to them through different criteria they know them to not be THE gun purchaser. This is not uncommon and reputable dealers are well aware of it and should know how to deal with it since many of them do every single day.


You're ignorant of the fact that happens every day. More often than you even probably want to know.

And no, a gun store owner is powerless to do anything. If a woman comes in and passes the background check to purchase the gun, after the waiting period, they get the gun. Once the gun is out of the store, the gun store owner has no responsibility.

In most cases, a gun store owner can't even report to the local DA when someone fails a background check. That is one regulation I WISH was in effect.

So as long as that is reality, I have no problem submitting to the inane gun registrations and jumping through all the hoops I have to because I'm a law abiding citizen and not a criminal.

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If you don't want another Newtown, then people are going to have to start lobbying for a national registry of people who are currently prescribed SSRIs, and they need to report to law enforcement when they stop taking the drug. We never hear of the prescriptions these homicidal maniacs were taking before they decided to shoot up a movie theater or a school.

I would like to think there were at least a few sane people posting on this board who know what's really going on here with this so-called national debate.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:41:17 PM
I think there need to be some controls, but outright banning guns hasn't seemed to work in America.

I have lived near DC for 33 years. It used to have horrific crime, gangs shooting each other in the streets all the time. Then the Supreme Court overturned their gun ban. And it's not nearly as dangerous a city as it used to be. There are some other factors, too, but statistics show that when law abiding citizens have the ability to protect themselves, crime goes down. When guns are banned, crime goes up.

Let me make one thing very clear.

I do not like guns. I do not own a gun. However, I have been reading both sides of this issue recently, and I have come to the conclusion that the only thing gun bans accomplish is to embolden criminals who know they have defenseless victims.

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I also think that we need to have agreement on what gun terms actually mean before any more laws are passed banning weapons. This article was certainly enlightening to me:

What some gun terms actually mean

I do think there need to be some regulations. No one should be able to avoid a background check by buying a gun at a gun show or through a private sale. Mentally unstable people shouldn't have access to guns. However, I think we need to find a balance and not pass laws that will make us more vulnerable to criminals, the way a complete gun ban would.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 6:42:55 PM
There are gun dealers who DO sell guns to strawmen. They are not *supposed* to. Reputable ones do not. They do not have to sell a gun to every person who passes a NCIS background check. They can turn them away.

Secondly, the NRA is fighting tooth and nail against the type of mental health database that you propose. In fact they fight any kind of record keeping and database at all. Even the regular business type inventory records. Good luck getting what you propose.






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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:00:55 PM
    If you don't want another Newtown, then people are going to have to start lobbying for a national registry of people who are currently prescribed SSRIs, and they need to report to law enforcement when they stop taking the drug. We never hear of the prescriptions these homicidal maniacs were taking before they decided to shoot up a movie theater or a school.


I am not a fan of any type of registry but when data of any type is collected on a population, essentially that is what you have - a registry.

I do observe a connection building between SSRI-type drugs and violent behavior. I know these meds have literally given people their life back, but this is something that needs much more investigation and scrutiny and their relation to gun violence.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:01:24 PM
Regulation.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:12:06 PM

There are gun dealers who DO sell guns to strawmen. They are not *supposed* to. Reputable ones do not. They do not have to sell a gun to every person who passes a NCIS background check. They can turn them away.


No they can't. If that straw woman was African American, then what do you think would happen? Right, you cannot discriminate or profile. Gun dealers are not criminal profilers. I want to know how many gun stores are within 1 square mile of you in NYC that you are such an expert on this.


Secondly, the NRA is fighting tooth and nail against the type of mental health database that you propose. In fact they fight any kind of record keeping and database at all. Even the regular business type inventory records. Good luck getting what you propose.


The NRA doesn't want any kind of gun registry. But to associate that to they want to have criminals to have access to guns is a huge stretch. And that has nothing to do with this conversation.

Why don't you want a national database of those prescribed SSRIs? Or women who had abortions?

Your issue isn't with the NRA. It is with the ACLU.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:12:09 PM
I am in favor of very strict gun regulation.

My dad is a gun dealer (wholesale) on the side. He does mostly hunting rifles and only to friends & family. I think he just wants the wholesale benefits for him; as our family hunts a lot. They eat what they kill.

If anyone wants to purchase a gun from him he has to run a State Police background check. He has to do this every single time. He would never sell to someone who did not pass, nor to anyone he does not know.

He has to keep huge cases of records that go back for years. He gets audited (by the ATF) every year randomly, and they check everything. He has to keep tax stuff as well.

I am just not sure how these dealers that are shady get around this. My dad is small time, and has to jump through hoops.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:28:30 PM

NCIS background check


It's NICS - National Instant Criminal Background Check System under the FBI.

NCIS is the Naval Criminal Investigation Service. They do not run background checks for firearm purchases.






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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:45:51 PM

I am not a fan of any type of registry but when data of any type is collected on a population, essentially that is what you have - a registry.


Exactly. People want to have it both ways. You can't. Either you surrender your privacy, or you submit.

So, I am not against regulation. I'm against bans.


I do observe a connection building between SSRI-type drugs and violent behavior. I know these meds have literally given people their life back, but this is something that needs much more investigation and scrutiny and their relation to gun violence.


This is where it becomes tricky... for example, this my (current) state's laws regarding a CCW permit application:

The sheriff shall deny an application or revoke a permit if the sheriff determines that the applicant or permittee:
(d) Has habitually used intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired. For the purposes of this paragraph, it is presumed that a person has so used intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance if, during the immediately preceding 5 years, the person has been:
(1) Convicted of violating the provisions of NRS 484C.110; or
(2) Committed for treatment pursuant to NRS 458.290 to 458.350, inclusive.


That needs to be expanded to SSRIs. It disturbs me greatly reading some of the side effects some of these drugs have when you're on them or you stop taking them -- and you are allowed to purchase a gun. No one ever really talks about that. They are more concerned with how many bullets a magazine can be owned by mentally stable, law abiding citizens, which does absolutely nothing to prevent another Newtown.


I have lived near DC for 33 years. It used to have horrific crime, gangs shooting each other in the streets all the time. Then the Supreme Court overturned their gun ban. And it's not nearly as dangerous a city as it used to be. There are some other factors, too, but statistics show that when law abiding citizens have the ability to protect themselves, crime goes down. When guns are banned, crime goes up.


With the sheer amount of CCWs issued in my current county of residence, I assume everyone around me is armed. I have zero complaints about it; took some getting used to, but now I prefer it over these nutty states or cities who ban everything. I certainly don't understand the argument that only a small privileged class of people should be able to feel that way.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 7:57:26 PM
I agree with Kim, strict regulation and strict enforcement.



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The mindset is not right for a rational, reasonable set of regulations that protects rights AND people. For as much as we fear what could take place tomorrow if we don't act today, I truly question whether any permanent laws should be passed until a healthy chunk of time has passed and the realities on both sides can be considered with more objectivity, for the best interest of everyone.




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I want to amend my earlier statement. I agree with all who say strict regulation and strict enforcement, though I also wouldn't mind an outright ban on assault weapons. I see no good reason for them.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 8:29:50 PM
And now I have to rescind my statement because I thought I knew what an assault weapon was, but the terminology article proved I didn't. Interesting.


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Strict regulation.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 7:19:43 AM
Jumping in because I just got a chance to read the rest of this thread.

Jo, the gun registry was scrapped.
Long-gun registry was scrapped. Restricted guns still need to be registered.


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"Just because criminals might find a way to get a gun doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up and do nothing."
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No one has said that. No one.

What has been said is that nothing new that is being proposed will keep criminals from getting guns, only law abiding citizens.

What has been said is that we need to enforce laws already on the books. Federal prosecution of gun crimes is down 17% since 2008.

And let's not forget that while Eric Holder is promising to crack down on gun traffickers, he himself is the biggest offender of all. Countless guns are on the streets of the US and Mexico because of him. Hundred of people dead. Yet somehow we are supposed to forget about this because Obama covered his ass.





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Posted: 1/23/2013 8:18:00 AM
Just read a good article that explains in simple terms what so many of us have been trying to say:

Good sense and gun control





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Posted: 1/23/2013 8:38:35 AM
Sorry, reading backwards....


These are 13 year olds we're talking about here. You are really OK with a 13 year old's safety plan being to coordinate with a bunch of other children to tackle a crazy person with a gun?


If the choice was between doing something, or huddling in a corner just waiting for the bullet in their heads, I'd rather they have some knowledge as to what they might me able to do to save their lives or the lives of their classmates.

So many of you are all for empowering 13 and 14 year olds to have sex "responsibly and safely" because they are just gonna do it anyway....but you are mortified at the idea of empowering them to know what to do in an emergency, except how to be a fish in a barrel, a target, a victim.

Just like the thread last week where someone objected to armed teachers b/c they were worried the teacher would accidentally harm a child while trying to stop a murderer...it was somehow better to the teacher dead along with the kids, because her conscience would be clear at least.

Priorities are upside down.





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Jumping in because I just got a chance to read the rest of this thread.
Jo, the gun registry was scrapped.
Long-gun registry was scrapped. Restricted guns still need to be registered.


True. Actually I forgot about that. My bad.
But I think 6% of all the guns in Canada are handguns. I can say I know of one person that owns handguns.

Mind you, this is an interesting article. I have to admit, I remember discussing gun stats with DH and he said estimates of guns in Canada are waaaay off.

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It's an article for those who believe that stricter regulations will do nothing. Which gets me thinking about that....which requires more coffee.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:34:57 AM
I agree vexedangel.

I also found it very interesting what kind of weapon can be considered "assault".



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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:38:10 AM
Lynlam I was responding to desertpea who did seem to be claiming that no regulations would help. So you are wrong.



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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:40:52 AM

I can say I know of one person that owns handguns.
I did know one person who had a handgun. He was a police detective here in Toronto. Now that he's retired, he's back to being gunless.


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