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Posted 1/27/2013 by *Scrapper* in NSBR Board
 

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:22:57 PM
My daughter took an online quiz for her class. Apparently the quiz did not have a built-in "you can only take this once" mechanism. DD knew this, but she didn't want to cheat, she only took the quiz once and got a 90%.

When she went to school she found out that the entire class took the test over and over until they got a 100%.

DD asked the teacher if it was allowed for students to take the test over and over. The teacher said no. She asked if she could take it over, as she was the only one who took the quiz once. He said no. She was disappointed, but accepted his answer and at least felt good that she had been honest.

At the end of the day she saw him at a rehearsal and he went up to her and told her if she wanted to she could take the quiz again at lunch on Monday. She said he looked really sad when he said it and she thinks he's sad because of the other students ethics (or lack thereof), but it made her feel bad for him and she doesn't know what to do.

The quiz will mean the difference between a low A in the class and a high A.

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DD decided not to retake the test. She told the teacher she would take the grade she earned and that she understood the material she missed. Their conversation was interrupted and he told her to wait there and then he asked her, "So do you feel conflicted?" She said yes, but that she felt good about her decision and that hopefully she could raise her grade through future quizzes, to which he responded that yes, those opportunities would come. Part of the problem is that he has been giving only one quiz per grading period, so it impacts her grade more than it would normally.

I do agree with those who said if they were the teacher they'd throw the quiz out and do a retake, but that doesn't appear to be an option.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:24:42 PM
He told her to retake it...she should retake it.

The teacher has learned a valuable lesson and won't forget to check the "only allow once" box again.

As for him being sad, I doubt it, but even if he was it isn't her fault.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:26:05 PM
Take the 90%.....she was honest in not taking it over and over. Maybe the teacher now knows to set it somehow so that it cannot be retaken.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:26:42 PM
I would have her take it again. At least the teacher knows she was honest.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:27:45 PM
Take the 90.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:29:17 PM
I wouldn't waste my time for a high A over a low A. I knew the material and I have nothing to prove.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:29:43 PM
I would keep the 90 & have the feeling of accomplishment & integrity in not having cheated to get such a high mark




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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:30:48 PM
I would have her retake it. He knows she was honest and ethical but, at least for this test, she will be on equal standing with all of her peers.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:30:59 PM
Ditto, Peabay.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:33:07 PM
I would probably leave it up to her but I would talk with her about it. If it was my kid; I would point the discussion in such a way that they probably would not retake it. From a moral code point of view; the teacher not checking the box was a mistake but not one that others should be taking advantage of. While the other students already took advantage of it; it does not mean others should now do the same.

My guess is, if she decides not to retake it; it will be remembered in some way. I'm not sure she will feel so great after retaking it. I know my kids would not. Just my personal opinion.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:34:53 PM
Unless getting 100% or 90% is going really make a difference in her gpa, I would keep the 90 The teacher knows she was honest and she will be rewarded in some fashion. And she has the satisfaction of knowing she did it honestly.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:35:55 PM
Does the teacher grade on a curve?


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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:36:40 PM
An A is an A. Stick with the 90 and be done with it. Teacher needs to make sure his stuff is in proper working order next time.

Just out of curiosity, how old are these students? Not that it really matters-in college chem lab we had online quizzes all the time. The one time they didn't put the limit on the quizzes EVERYONE retook it until they got whatever grade they wanted.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:38:58 PM
I'm a college professor and it would make me sad if only one student was ethical (in terms of only taking the quiz once). I absolutely would remember her when final grades were due.

If I were her, I wouldn't take the quiz again. She doesn't need it for her grade, her teacher will remember, and she can be proud of herself.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:39:42 PM
An A is an A and it doesn't matter where you are in the bracket...

Tell her keep the 90 and her morals.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:54:41 PM
What grade? High school, given that the teacher gave her his blessing to re-take, I would re-take the quiz. Younger, I wouldn't. There are other factors in the semester that could play a role in her final grade and I would want the extra cushion of the high A.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:00:50 PM
She's a junior in high school. Most of the kids are probably juniors or seniors. It's an AP class.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:09:37 PM
She did the right thing and got a good, honest grade. Stop there.







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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:10:05 PM
I'd encourage my daughter to re-take the test, especially because the teacher did.

Kudos to her for doing things honestly, and kudos to the teacher for allowing her the opportunity to get a better grade when the others had an unfair advantage.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:11:54 PM
Will the A look the same on the report card?

Maybe he would be a good reference if she needs a letter.

Kudos to her for her honesty.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:24:02 PM

She's a junior in high school. Most of the kids are probably juniors or seniors. It's an AP class.


Good for your DD about being honest and sympathetic to the teacher.

Quite frankly, though, shame on the teacher for not taking the test himself and realizing this fact. Maybe his sad look was at his own failure and not the class' failure??


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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:40:00 PM
She's not on an even curve with the other students so her grade can't be compared to them. She needs to use the same tactics they used to take the test for it to be fair.




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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:14:55 PM

She needs to use the same tactics they used to take the test for it to be fair.
Personally, I do not agree. Doing the right thing has nothing to do with fair. Cheating is cheating, plain and simple. Just because the others took the wrong path does not make it right nor justify another doing the wrong thing. I am very glad my kids took their schools honor code seriously.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:55:12 AM
I know this is not what was asked but if I was that teacher and I realized what happened, I would strike that grade from everyone's record.


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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:17:53 AM

but if I was that teacher and I realized what happened, I would strike that grade from everyone's record.




Ditto. I would say that there was a technical problem with the test, give my apology, and let everyone know that they would need to retake the test. I would probably add that since they all did so superbly the first time around that I wouldn't expect it to be a problem for anyone to retake it.

(I might decide to allow the student with the 90% the option of retaking the test or not, however.)



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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:05:04 PM
Update in the OP.


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