Well, this is excellent news re: BSA and gay Scouts
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lindywholoveskids
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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:34:34 AM
What does Mitt have to do with this?
Maybe that is his new political focus.

Sorry, couldn't help myself!

Anyway, I am going to email the BSA, but I truly think this "possible" change is financially motivated.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:35:47 AM
Ugh the comments on their FB page are simply disgusting. Some of those people seriously are so uninformed and blinded by hate it isn't even funny. Comparing gays to pedophiles and worse. Sick, sick sick.



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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:37:47 AM
Because he is the golden boy of the Mormon church, and they'll listen to him. I think it's odd, though, that he was for boys not being discriminated against in scouts, but not when it comes to marriage. I don't know how politically motivated THAT was.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:40:33 AM

I do have a question for the peas that have said in the past they do not care for the Boy Scouts because of this policy.

If they do actually rescind the policy will you then support the Boy Scouts or is this too little too late?


Until the Boy Scouts of America stands up and says we will not allow for discrimination in any of our troops I will not support them. I think it's a bunch of double speak to say the national organization will allow gays but the individual troops are still allowed to make their own choice.



Exactly, Maureen. The organization itself if still condoning discrimination. It's a step. It's not a reversal. I'm watching. I'm not changing any of my support or behaviors toward them.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:57:23 AM

I was saddened to read a lot of the comments on the Boy Scouts of America Facebook page. Also saddened because I used to think like some of them.


That doesn't sadden me, it makes me hopeful. I also refuse to believe you used to think like some of those people commenting because a) you are not insane and b ) you can spell and type coherent sentences and c) you are a kind and thoughtful person and I can't imagine you being deliberately cruel, no matter how you felt about the issue of homosexuality. (Like the fellatio merit badge comment? For real?)

Like the realization Dan Cathy and the head of Campus Pride came to, it's not necessarily about what you believe, it's about how you act on those beliefs in the world. If you use your words and your money and your power to hurt people who think differently than you, that's not okay.

I'm okay with this compromise. One of my frustrations with many of my fellow liberals these days is that we say we want cooperation and we want change but when it happens, we complain that we didn't get everything we want. That kind of all or nothing attitude plagued President Obama throughout his first administration. We don't live in utopia so we have to accept that sometimes compromise actually means compromise. I truly think this is the only compromise BSA could have put forward right now and continued to exist as an organization. Any further, and the loss of funding and membership on the conservative side would have been crippling. Continuing to do nothing was leading it down the path of becoming a fringe right wing organization and leading to a massive loss of funding from corporate donors. This compromise isn't perfect but for sure it's a better day to be a gay scout than it was on Monday.

Edited for clarity



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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:15:11 PM
I am okay with compromise in some areas, but not when it comes to discrimination. By letting gay scouts in the BSA in no way shape or form threatens any other scout, even if they are Christian. So I stand by my feelings on this. Until they allow all boys in, it is not enough for me. If it is for you, great.



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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:27:19 PM
there may be just a few crazies posting those hurtful things on FB.

I stand by my thoughts that the organization hasn't even made the decision yet.
*they fought to keep discriminating until corporations started withdrawing their donations.
* they have that option for local troops to continue discriminating.

As I said before, my synagogue has withdrawn all support.

I think "more shall be revealed"

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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:29:32 PM
Sarah, you are my hero. So smart and articulate and (almost) always RIGHT!


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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:42:48 PM
Yeah, what Lucy said ^^^


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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:22:29 PM
Well said, Sarah. I agree. And so does my gay (former) Eagle Scout brother. He is VERY happy that this looks like it's going to be approved. He feels it is a major step in the right direction. Is it everything? No, but when does anything like this ever make a total 180 in one fell swoop? Very very rarely.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:24:57 PM
What does this mean, for example, for homosexual or atheist Eagle Scouts who want to get their recognition on the National Level? The way I read this, the change doesn't affect them positively.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:38:24 PM

It's excellent news because it's a breakthrough. A step in the right direction. It makes it possible (easier) for BSA to say, a few years down the line, that all troops must be inclusive.


Having grown up in the LDS church in Utah, I'm a bit disillusioned. They have an enormous influence over the BSA. They have billions of dollars. Until gay marriage becomes legal in most states or all, the church will hold it's ground. They will buckle under political pressure so they can stay relevant as a church.



I think it's great news, but here's a Facebook thread that has disgusted me. Is it just because I live in Utah or are people this bigoted elsewhere ...

KSL Facebook


Yep, that right there says it all.




Because he is the golden boy of the Mormon church, and they'll listen to him. I think it's odd, though, that he was for boys not being discriminated against in scouts, but not when it comes to marriage. I don't know how politically motivated THAT was.


No, the moment he goes against what the church says about boy scouts he is not the golden child. The members will not take his opinion over the church.

You used to hear lots of things about Steve Young in the church. He did speeches and firesides. He and his wife said they did not support proposition 8. Now, it's like the golden boy of BYU and the 49ers does not exist.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:42:50 PM
I think I don't understand your question Bobbi? The Eagle Scout is awarded after the scout completes a board of review. Because of the national policy, in the recent case where the scout earned the rank and passed the board of review, his application was rejected by the district executive because of the national policy. With the new policy, that would not happen. BSA would now recognize the Eagle if it was awarded. Was this what you meant?



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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:07:47 PM
Thanks, IScrapCrap, for the "insider" info. I didn't know that about Steve Young but good for him. It's hard for anyone to stand up against their community mores.

I do think gay marriage will be legalized across the country, if not this decade, then next.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:09:17 PM

I'm okay with this compromise. One of my frustrations with many of my fellow liberals these days is that we say we want cooperation and we want change but when it happens, we complain that we didn't get everything we want. That kind of all or nothing attitude plagued President Obama throughout his first administration. We don't live in utopia so we have to accept that sometimes compromise actually means compromise. I truly think this is the only compromise BSA could have put forward right now and continued to exist as an organization. Any further, and the loss of funding and membership on the conservative side would have been crippling.


Thank you for being you Sarah. I completely agree. I'm happy about the decision, but agree with the way it was done, for the reasons you've said.




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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:40:10 PM
I still think the LDS church is softening its attitude toward gays. Not all the members, of course, but they are breaking down- just like they did when people started getting upset at their policy of black people not being able to hold the priesthood and get married in the temple. My mom's cousin is gay, and he attends the LDS church with his kids because he is mandated by the court. He belongs to a group of gay LDS people, and he sees the church softening its stance against gays. It may take some time still, but I think it will happen. And of course, there will be the members who don't agree- just like my grandma who was faithful to the church until her dying day, but thought that black people still were cursed by God.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 11:37:27 PM
Wonderful, wonderful first step for BSA, and I look forward to a more comprehensive stance against discrimination in the future.


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