Small puppy in the restaurant, would you have said something?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:20:44 PM
They can be shut down for allowing a dog (or puppy) in. Unless of course it was a service dog


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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:39:50 PM
Wouldn't bother me at all.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 10:58:48 PM
I was in line behind a woman with a dog in the top part of her shopping cart. The cashier told her that dogs are not allowed in the store. The lady said she always brings her dog because nobody ever told her that she couldn't. Cashier said that people could be allergic to dogs. I was glad she said something to her! We have a nephew that is very allergic to dogs and could die from an allergic reaction.


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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:05:59 PM
No, I wouldn't have complained about it, but that's because it takes a whole lot for me to complain about something.

It would have made me upset and totally grossed me out and Id have fumed about it for the whole meal, though!

I don't think you were wrong at all to complain, and I don't think animals belong in a restaurant. (with the exception of a service dog)



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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:41:52 PM
It doesn't help to complain because the entitled get loud and obnoxious when asked to put their pooch in the car. I know a woman who plays I am a tiny old woman, and you are being me to card. she throws such a fit that the managers just let her be.

Service dogs are should be clearly marked as a service dog.


I am thinking that I am going to get a rat , make it a little service vest and call it my official food taster.







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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:01:36 AM
Am I wrong in thinking a service dog wouldn't normally be carried around or in a pocketbook? That alone would make me think it was a pet not a medical need.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:07:34 AM
People are answering several different questions here.

If dogs are not allowed (by law) in a particular establishment, then people shouldn't bring them and it is up to the staff to enforce that law (except for service dogs).
I am not disagreeing with that. If it is clear that dogs are not permitted, then don't bring your dog.

However *if* someone does sneak in a dog and I notice it and the staff doesn't...then I am not going to say anything. Firstly I don't say anything because it honestly does not bother me, secondly the legal issue is the establishment's to worry about and not mine...I'm just not a 'tattler'.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:48:27 AM
I would have complained. Animals do not belong near where food is been served.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 5:19:35 AM
Seems to me when anyone complains, they pull the 'service dog' card. I had one lady with a SUPER yappy Yorkie a few people in front of me at a store and the manager asked her to leave and she screeched that her dog was a companion dog and that she was violating the Disabled People law.

Which immediately told me that she was 'self diagnosed', but the manager just shrugged and walked off. Dog drove EVERYONE nuts. But lady was crying disability and thus, the dog stayed.



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Posted: 1/29/2013 5:25:01 AM
I've complained before...I was told the dog was a "therapy dog". My niece had a guide dog...those animals are trained so well and as big as he was, you barely knew he was there.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:35:25 AM
Even therapy/comfort dogs wear identification badges.

I am allergic to dogs as is one of my kids. I would complain. There is a marked difference in how service dogs behave in a restaurant. Most just lay down beside or under the chair/table. Pets are in hands, being petted, up at table, up on a seat, getting fur/dander all over.




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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:41:49 AM
I wouldn't like it. I would have complained too. I'm tired of the small dogs everywhere. Some people just have so much trouble following rules of reel like the rules don't apply to them

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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:44:27 AM
Many of you say you would not have complained.

Yes, I am very much an anmial lover, but...

If you let one do something, than you can not say no to someone else.

Awww...so cute. This woman brought in a small puppy, kept her in her lap. You all say this is ok.

Next person comes in with a huge dog, maybe a Great Dane. Or like my dog, a German Shephard. Both dogs behave well. Ok, all dogs can stay.

Then you have someone bring in another dog. Aww...he looks so cute. Uh oh, goes to snap off your hand. BArks at everything. Cannot stay still. Now, is this ok?

Of course not. But, that person now has the argument, well, you let so and so bring their dog in, you cannot now say my dog is not welcome.

This woman thought she would get away with bringing her dog into the restaurant because it was a puppy and no one would say anything because it was so cute. But, the situation sets off a whole number of possible problems.

Also, health codes. If dog is not a service dog, restaurant can get into all kinds of trouble.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:44:27 AM

What does, is the entitlement that small dog owners seem to have in regard to taking their dogs everywhere, regardless of whether or not they are allowed. No dogs means no dogs


I completely agree with this sentiment. I will say that every time I've seen someone complain about a dog being where they shouldn't, the offender justifies their presence by saying they are a "therapy dog". I seriously doubt that the majority of dogs I've come across in retail establishments are therapy dogs, I think their owners know declaring them as such lets them get away with breaking the rules.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:56:13 AM
I don't know if the law varies from state to state, but if a dog or other service animal comes into the museum where I work, it must be wearing a vest. It's actually smarter cause if it isn't, every security guard will stop the owner and inquire. I have seen super tiny ones there - one that helped it's owner with anxiety.

I do not like to see dogs is restaurants. Yes, I do eat with my pets close by any hone, but the key is they are MY pets. I think people should choose what kind of animals they are around, and should not be confronted with this choice in a Steak N Shake.



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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:02:48 AM
It would have annoyed but I don't think I would have complained. I do, however, applaud you for doing so. I have dogs. I eat near dogs all the time. I still don't want to see your dog in a restaurant.

My niece and nephew are terrified of dogs. All dogs. It's not something I think my sister would think to prepare her kids for when planning a trip to Steak and Shake. Same for people with severe allergies.

In the world I live in, it's assumed dogs are not welcome unless a sign specifically states that they are...the Pet Smart store has this type of sign. Service Dogs are welcome everywhere and I have no problem with that.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:04:54 AM
Ick. Dogs don't belong restaurants. I'm stunned at the number of people who don't mind.

I guess I go with the "what if everyone did it?" philosophy.

I used to frequent a local restaurant where a lady was always smuggling her BIRD into the place. She'd bring it in under her coat, and then it would sit on her shoulder. How appetizing! Obviously, she was a little nuts, but I guess peas think a well-behaved bird would be ok too

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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:42:59 AM
It wouldn't have bothered me in the least. I love dogs and cats. To each his own. I would not have complained. I would have wanted to pet and coo over the little pup.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 7:52:07 AM
Yes, I think I would have said something - not complained as such, maybe asked the manager to check whether the dog was a service dog or not and would expect him/her to then act according to the owner's response. I've no idea what sort of restaurant this is but how the manager handled it would affect my opinion of the place perhaps.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:08:13 AM
What a bunch of busy bodies.

Living in Europe for 6 years, it is absolutely no issue for me. We'd take our dog pretty much everywhere. The restaurants and cafes are filled with customers and their dogs and the food and dining atmosphere are fabulous... go figure.

If the dog isn't touching you, or bothering you, or slobbering on your food, what do you care? I'd be a lot more concerned about the pimple faced teenager in Steak N Shake that's flipping your burger and scratching his nuts than I would be about a well behaved dog.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:17:09 AM
Yes, I would have and I'm a dog person.

It is a dog- it does not need to go everywhere with you. If it is a service dog it should wear its vest to identify it as such.

Dogs do not belong in restaurants or grocery stores. PERIOD! I know my dog has her shots, I know she doesn't have fleas. I certainly don't want to sit in a booth at Steak & Shake next to a dog that may have fleas.

I get so tired of seeing people carrying their dogs in the top of the shopping cart just because they are little. Even more annoying are stores that are afraid to say something to people.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:22:17 AM

The restaurants and cafes are filled with customers and their dogs and the food and dining atmosphere are fabulous... go figure.




And I'm sure the atmosphere and food are just as fabulous in places where there aren't any dogs and which are frequented by people like me and many others who aren't keen on dogs where food is being served. If that makes me a busy body then so be it, quite frankly

Legally, in the UK at least, the onus is with the owner. They can decide on whether they want dogs in their restaurants or not and if they do allow them they are legally obliged to ensure there is no risk of contamination.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:28:38 AM

Legally, in the UK at least, the onus is with the owner. They can decide on whether they want dogs in their restaurants or not and if they do allow them they are legally obliged to ensure there is no risk of contamination.


Which is great. Set the rules, let the entrepreneurs decide instead of over-regulating everyone to the lowest common denominator.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:45:18 AM
What does the law say?

I love our dog, she is a member of our family. But I will not bring her into the grocery store, department store or restaurant. She has been to some restaurants that allow dogs on the patio.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:51:21 AM

Obviously, she was a little nuts, but I guess peas think a well-behaved bird would be ok too


As long as it's not pooping in my food or hair, I'd be ok with that too.

If it's not legal to bring the dog in a restaurant, it's up to the restaurant to say so. Since it doesn't bother me personally, I don't feel the need to say something about it. And I don't need to worry about "where it ends" and if we allow small dogs, will people bring big dogs, etc. The law is very clear. And it's up to me to complain when something is bothering me. So if someone's small, cute, well-behaved dog isn't bothering me, I'm not going to complain. If you bring your big german shepherd that's misbehaving and bothering me, then I will complain.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:13:51 AM

Then you have someone bring in another dog. Aww...he looks so cute. Uh oh, goes to snap off your hand. BArks at everything. Cannot stay still. Now, is this ok?

Of course not. But, that person now has the argument, well, you let so and so bring their dog in, you cannot now say my dog is not welcome.


Now it's no longer ok because the dog is misbehaving and causing a loud disturbance. I feel the same way about children. If your child is screaming like a banshee and throwing tantrums and food around then I'd expect you to remove them from the establishment, even if there are other well behaved children around. And, oh yes, I went there!




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I was in line behind a woman with a dog in the top part of her shopping cart. The cashier told her that dogs are not allowed in the store. The lady said she always brings her dog because nobody ever told her that she couldn't. Cashier said that people could be allergic to dogs. I was glad she said something to her! We have a nephew that is very allergic to dogs and could die from an allergic reaction.


I'm allergic to dogs, too. Not as allergic as the nephew mentioned, but it still can trigger an asthma attack for me. When that happens, I can end up coughing so hard that I start retching. That could really gross out other restaurant patrons and cause problems for the restaurant. If I go to a restaurant, I should be able to expect it is going to be dog free except for possibly a service dog. Since I rarely see service dogs, it should be a low risk for me. I would be upset to see a person who just didn't want to be separated from their precious pet. If it were a service dog, though, that is totally another story. I would probably ask to have my food to go and then leave if it were a service dog. If it were just someone who was bringing their pet into the restaurant, I would speak to the manager.

For my part, it really helps when people with their service animals wear some kind of vest that labels them as a service animal. I will defer to individuals who need service animals. They have enough challenges. But I would not give way to someone who just thinks they can take their pet everywhere. And yes, I have seen a few of those people.

I can understand taking a service dog in to a restaurant, or a dog that is being trained to be a service dog, but if they are puppies, a service dog in training can still have an accident. It happened years ago at our church when a lady who was training a puppy to be a service dog had an accident on the carpet (she did a lousy job of cleaning up the mess, unfortunately). Aside from the allergy factors, if the dog had an accident, it could get a restaurant in trouble with the Board of Health.

Rules are rules. It really bothers me to see how many people think that rules don't apply to them. Of course, the restaurant is going to upset either the dog carrying patron, or some of the other patrons, no matter what happens in such a situation. Sometimes businesses who provide services to the public just can't win.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:22:05 AM
Wouldn't bother me at all.



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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:32:07 AM
I was sitting in the Cheesecake Factory one day at lunch and kept hearing a whining/bark that I knew was a dog. The dog had a service vest on and was two tables down.

What surprised me was the lady w/the dog did not shush the dog, not once. He/she whined and barked constantly.

That was unacceptable to me. I am not bothered by service dogs in the least but this was a bit much. I thought service dogs were quiet. But this one was definitely not being trained to be quiet.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:32:49 AM

Am I wrong in thinking a service dog wouldn't normally be carried around or in a pocketbook? That alone would make me think it was a pet not a medical need.



This is incorrect. Some therapy/anxiety dogs will be carried around and they are just as "legal" as any other service dog.



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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:06:04 AM
I love dogs but they do not belong at a table nor in a public restaurant (indoors.)


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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:15:28 AM
Man, you eat at a place called Steak n Shake? Lol what do you expect from a white trash restaurant?

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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:16:57 AM

Man, you eat at a place called Steak n Shake? Lol what do you expect from a white trash restaurant?





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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:33:32 AM
I love puppies and think they are very cute. That being said, unless it is a service dog, I do not think a dog belongs in a restaurant. Ever! Again, unless it's a service dog.

It seems like there are more and more pet owners that feel entitled to take their precious pet where ever they want and screw you if you don't like it. People like that make me


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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:38:40 AM
Sock's answer was the closest to mine: I would only be upset if she wouldn't let me pet him.

I really always wonder if Europeans are less likely to allergies etc. than we are. Because over there dogs are everywhere! In restaurants, in stores, etc. etc. And I absolutely loved it. I never saw anyone complain. They just either went about their business or stopped to pet the dog.

I love dogs and I don't think they have anymore germs than many people.

That said, it IS illegal to bring a dog into a restaurant in this country (unless it is a service dog) so she was completely wrong to have him there. But I would NEVER have complained. Just not my style.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 10:48:02 AM
If the dog was behaving, under the owner's control and not bothering me, I wouldn't say anything. I'm not allergic and seeing a dog at Steak and Shake wouldn't annoy me (I might feel different at an expensive restaurant I'd gone to for a special meal). That said, I have three small dogs and I have never taken them to a place of business other than PetsMart; I would never dream of taking them to a restaurant.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 12:23:29 PM
It wouldn't really bother me, but I can fully appreciate that it would bother someone else. Allergies, germs, barking, you name it - and that's why it isn't legal most places I've been.

So while I personally don't care, I don't think you're at all out of line or even uptight for politely bringing the issue up.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 3:03:53 PM
My response, get over it. Should she have brought the dog into the restaurant, NO. Does a well behaved dog really affect you at all, or are your just being pissy about it?

Really there is no difference between the hair, butt and poop of a service dog and a non-service dog. If you are allergic to dogs you will still be allergic if its a service dog. If your children are affraid of dogs they will still be affraid of a service dog.

The difference is the service dogs are trained for a purpose and are well behaved. Unfortunatly a lot of our dogs in soecity are not well behaved, but since you indicated this dog was. and the staff did not say anything why not let it go?

In europe they allow dogs in restaurants in droves and the population is alive and well, imagine that.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 3:07:11 PM
I'm curious why did it bother you?




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Posted: 1/29/2013 3:46:32 PM
I'd rather share real physical space in an eating establishment with a dog than share a virtual space on a message board with some people.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 3:57:41 PM
I would not be happy seeing a bird in a restaurant either. they poop constantly and it is yucky. They scream for not reason, and can be dangerous. Our Amazon can break a finger, or shred somebody's hand faster than you can blink. (she sent my husband's mother to the ER for a torn vein)
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Posted: 1/29/2013 4:29:51 PM

People are answering several different questions here.

If dogs are not allowed (by law) in a particular establishment, then people shouldn't bring them and it is up to the staff to enforce that law (except for service dogs).
I am not disagreeing with that. If it is clear that dogs are not permitted, then don't bring your dog.

However *if* someone does sneak in a dog and I notice it and the staff doesn't...then I am not going to say anything. Firstly I don't say anything because it honestly does not bother me, secondly the legal issue is the establishment's to worry about and not mine...I'm just not a 'tattler'


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Posted: 1/29/2013 4:44:58 PM
Wow, I had no idea this thread would get so many responses! It bothered me for the reasons that other peas have mentioned: there is a law against this for a reason, I don't want to touch something communal after a person that is holding a dog and I don't like people that act like they are above the rules.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 4:46:39 PM

A dog in a restaurant doesn't bother me at all. What does, is the entitlement that small dog owners seem to have in regard to taking their dogs everywhere, regardless of whether or not they are allowed. No dogs means no dogs. If they can disregard the rules and take their dogs in I should be able to take my dog in.


This is probably my biggest "pet" peeve with dog owners. I get so tired of people thinking that a small dog doesn't count as a dog when there's a no dog rule. We have two dogs that are 90-100 pounds and one that is 65 pounds. I'd love to be able to take them more places but I obey the rules. The little yappy dogs are everywhere, whether they're allowed or not.

I wish we had more dog friendly places. It's kind of annoying taking the dogs for a walk and walking right past a store that you have to go back to once you get home from your walk for one thing because you can't take your dog in. And I'd rather deal with a dog than an obnoxious child any day!

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Posted: 1/29/2013 5:11:09 PM
It was Steak n Shake not Ruth Chris! I have seen toddlers pea on the floor in TGIF Friday's! Get over yourself!


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Posted: 1/29/2013 5:17:35 PM

In europe they allow dogs in restaurants in droves and the population is alive and well, imagine that.


We do but it doesn't mean we all like it!



I have seen toddlers pea on the floor in TGIF Friday's!


Oh well, that makes it all right then!






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SamFan

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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:26:46 PM

What does, is the entitlement that small dog owners seem to have in regard to taking their dogs everywhere, regardless of whether or not they are allowed. No dogs means no dogs
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I completely agree with this sentiment. I will say that every time I've seen someone complain about a dog being where they shouldn't, the offender justifies their presence by saying they are a "therapy dog". I seriously doubt that the majority of dogs I've come across in retail establishments are therapy dogs, I think their owners know declaring them as such lets them get away with breaking the rules.



A therapy dog is not the same as a service dog. A therapy dog is a pet and has no more rights under ADA laws than anyone else's pet.

A service dog is protected under ADA laws. Many people confuse service dogs with therapy dogs and they are not one and the same.

We will be training our dog as a therapy dog, but that will not make her a service dog. It also does not give her the right to go into places that have access restricted to service dogs only.


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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:42:23 PM
I don't have a problem with a small dog in a restaurant. I have more of a problem with parents bringing in their ill behaved children and think oh aren't they cute when they are screaming at the top of their lungs.

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Posted: 1/29/2013 6:53:54 PM
My son and husband are allergic to dogs. Dogs really aggravate my sons asthma and my husband breaks out in large, itchy hives. I think it's rude to bring animal into a restaurant, with no thought to anyone else.
Dog hair does not belong anywhere food is served.

Obviously if it a service animal we would do our best to avoid the dog or in some cases leave the establishment.



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