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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:59:06 AM
I caught the tail end of a segment on tipping on NPR.

It seems now that waitstaff want an a of 25% to 40% of the bill.

I didn't catch a lot of the show but it seem like like they waited it to be automatic, whether the service was good or not.

40%? that is the point I am staying home.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:01:55 AM
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:02:36 AM
Sorry - no way am I tipping 40% regardless of good/bad service. I have tipped more than 20% before if the service was really good but I don't think I have ever tipped 40%.

I don't see that happening. I will tip what I think is appropriate based on the service (generally 15% - 25% ) and if a restaurant auto adds a tip larger than 18%, then I won't patronize them anymore.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:04:33 AM
Tipping is not 'equal' across the US. In some areas the expectation is higher.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:06:13 AM
40% is absolutely ridiculous unless it is the express desire of the patron. And if that's the case, he/she will make it known by - gasp - leaving a 40% tip. I can't even believe that's the expectation of servers...


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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:07:04 AM
More, more, more. Give me, give me, give me.

Maybe I am showing my age, but I remember when 10% was considered a generous tip. Now it is considered cheap. Even 15% is cheap. One must tip 20%.

I'm all for doing away with tipping, raising the prices within reason to pay a living raise, and firing any waitperson who is substandard.



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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:08:18 AM


It seems now that waitstaff want an a of 25% to 40% of the bill.


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I'm all for doing away with tipping, raising the prices within reason to pay a living raise, and firing any waitperson who is substandard.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:25:53 AM
They can "want" or "expect" all they want. I'm a good tipper, generally 20% or I'll often round up so it ends up more. 20% is my max. If I find that I start getting poor service because waitstaff isn't satisified with my 20%, then I'll give less not more.

As it is, we rarely eat out anymore because there isn't enough expendable $$ in the budget. Too much taken up by taxes, increased costs of daily needs items (groceries, gas, medical needs, etc.).


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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:26:27 AM
And yes I worked as a caterer. My tips were included in the bill. I NEVER saw a dime of it. The owners kept it all and then give us $10 extra in our pay. so I despise that tip added into the bill thing.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:30:43 AM
ROFL....not gonna happen.



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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:26:22 AM
I have been trying to find the show.

The part that I heard made me never want to go out again.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:36:24 AM
Won't happen here! 20% always, maybe a little more for over the top great service...but not ANYWHERE close to 305 let alone 40%. Just won't happen.




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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:40:30 AM

They can "want" or "expect" all they want. I'm a good tipper, generally 20% or I'll often round up so it ends up more. 20% is my max. If I find that I start getting poor service because waitstaff isn't satisified with my 20%, then I'll give less not more.

As it is, we rarely eat out anymore because there isn't enough expendable $$ in the budget. Too much taken up by taxes, increased costs of daily needs items (groceries, gas, medical needs, etc.).

This is us! 40%!


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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:56:33 AM
I waited tables in HS and early college. If somebody had left me a 40% tip, I'd have run after them assuming it was a mistake. Heck, even 25% would've left me asking myself if I should run after them.

I'm dating myself, but when I waitressed at a pretty nice restaurant, I'd say a 20% tip was highly uncommon then. And no, I didn't suck. Lol


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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:17:44 PM
20% is plenty. I'm a good tipper, but seriously, 20% is enough.

I do tip a much higher percentage when I go out for lunch. I eat lunch (and dinner) by myself 4 days a week because I travel. Most of the time my lunch is $6-$8. I'm not going to tip less than $2, and I usually give $3. I also consider the fact that I am taking up a table that could have been seated with two or more people, and if there were two people at my table, they would get twice as much tip. I'm not taking up that much less of the servers time.



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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:24:22 PM
I'm not even buying into the veracity of this story. Waiters are demanding an automatic 25-40% be added onto bills?

OP caught the "tail end" of the segment. I'd like to see the full story to be sure the point wasn't misunderstood and therefore misreported here.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:26:20 PM
Thank you, Lucy. That was my exact thought. Everyone is reacting to a story t hat wasn't even fully heard.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:29:05 PM
I'm popping in to agree with Lucy as well. I worked in restaurants for many years, and my husband still bartends one or two nights and week and I've never, ever heard a server or bartender "expect" a 25-40% gratuity. The only time my DH ever sees tips in that range is from his regulars, and even those aren't regular tips, but more like a holiday-season "bonus" tip. I've honestly never come across this attitude, and I've known, literally, hundreds of servers and bartenders in my life.



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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:29:23 PM
I don't think I have ever received that good of service that I would think they deserved a 40% tip, that is insane. If they want to make that much they need to go into a different profession that makes more money without relying on tips.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:35:16 PM
I haven't heard the story, but I will comment that it seems that 20% has become the "norm" for average service. It used to be 15% or 15 - 20% was considered a good tip. Now it seems like if you give less than 20% it is seen as cheap. Why is that?

I do think there is gratuity creep in our society - both the amount given and the types of jobs that expect it.

I also think that in *some* instances, even 15 - 20% is too much. If it's a very expensive service but not time consuming, sometimes 10-15% is still an excellent tip.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:59:51 PM

In some areas the expectation is higher.
They can go ahead and expect it. I tip according to service provided: 25%+ for amazing, excellent service; 20% for great; 15% for good; 10% if they barely managed to do their job...and if it's crappy service with bad attitude? Yeah...you get NOTHING! And it won't matter 'cause I won't be going back to that restaurant anyway.

The whole idea behind tipping is to motivate waitstaff to give good quality service. The tip is a reflection of that service so, if you do great, I'll tip you huge!

40%...sweet tiny Jamie! If that was normal tipping, I'D BE A WAITRESS!



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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:20:19 PM
I'll stick with 20 percent, thanks. In the immortal words of Mr. Pink. "She don't like it? She can learn to fucking type."



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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:24:59 PM
I'd like to read the story first. I find it kind of hard to believe.



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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:35:09 PM
I've tipped everything from 0% to 50%. I tip based on the service and any special circumstances that may apply. I do NOT tip someone for simply showing up. If they want a tip, they have to earn it.

Suppose everyone went to their boss and said, "I expect a 25-40 percent raise for doing the same work."? Wonder how many would get it?

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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:47:59 PM
It was an interveiw with the guy of the waiter rant blog.

I thought it was Sunday night but it was Monday night.


http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/01/28/the-great-tipping-debate/

try that link.

I only listened in the car for a few minutes, and came out thinking they mentioned a 40% tip. BUt that could be my poor hearing coming into play.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:52:54 PM
Thanks for the update, OP. It's probably too late to prevent several pages of outrage, though.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 2:54:46 PM
Um, nope. The standard is 15%, and with the way prices have gone up, that is plenty. If waitstaff doesnt feel that they are earning enough, they should ask to be paid more with no tips, or they should find another profession. Being asked to tip more and more professions more and more money is a pet peeve of mine right now.



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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:01:46 PM
I don't have an issue with the amount, but I'm having trouble figuring out where the line on who to tip is drawn.

I'm good with tipping food service, I guess because I'm just used to it. But I also feel like I can make sense of it by saying, I paid for the food, the tip pays for the service of bringing it to me.

But with things like massages? What I'm paying for is the ACTUAL massage, so then why am I tipping for the actual thing I already paid for? And really, that doesn't even bother me. Here's where I'm starting to lose my patience-

Last week I was in Florida. I paid (handsomely) for a shuttle ride to my hotel. There were 8 passengers. He was clearly irritated that I didn't tip him. But in my mind I already paid for the service. What's considered a 'tip worthy' performance on top of what I already paid? Playing good music along the way? But I thought, ok, maybe I should have tipped him and felt a little guilty.

Inside the hotel was a snack shop. They had coffee, but you poured, creamed, sugared and lidded it yourself. All the employee did was ring me up and take my money. There was a tip jar there.

I'm sorry, I think it's getting ridiculous. Just tell me what the service costs up front, let me pay for it, and leave me alone after that!


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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:10:07 PM
I remember when 8% was the mandatory tip and 10% was generous.

The cost of the food should pay for the service and the food. If it does not then the restaurant should charge areal price and pay their staff more.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:10:28 PM

Being asked to tip more and more professions more and more money is a pet peeve of mine right now.



Mine too! I hate going to places that have tip jars on the counter. I don't get the trend...are tip jars at the check out counter at Macy's going to be next?

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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:18:26 PM
That segment turned out to be over 19 minutes.

Not once did I hear mention of waitstaff expecting 40% or even 30% tips.

The one thing about higher tipping that I did hear was that a FOOD CRITIC was saying that people should be tipping 20% minimum, even if the service is bad.

The whole segment was actually a debate on tipping vs. not tipping (and raising prices).

Much ado about something that was not even said.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:18:36 PM

Last week I was in Florida. I paid (handsomely) for a shuttle ride to my hotel. There were 8 passengers. He was clearly irritated that I didn't tip him. But in my mind I already paid for the service. What's considered a 'tip worthy' performance on top of what I already paid? Playing good music along the way? But I thought, ok, maybe I should have tipped him and felt a little guilty.


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When I returned from my trip. The Wally Park guy was nice, but never once offered to help with my bag, didn't speak to anyone really, well, just seemed less chipper.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:20:08 PM
We usually tip 20% except at the coffee shop. At the coffee shop we often tip more. They know us and have our drinks started as we walk in the door. They also make a damn good americano according to my dh. All the workers are college or hs students.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:27:40 PM
I tip the airport shuttle drivers according to how many bags they help me with. If they don't help me with my bags, I don't tip.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:28:55 PM
I was guite sure that I heard them taking aout a 40% tip because I was talking about with the other moms at the Dance studio.

Like I said I said I only caught a few minutes of the interview.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:34:31 PM

I'm all for doing away with tipping, raising the prices within reason to pay a living raise, and firing any waitperson who is substandard.

ITA I'm really peeved that my hairdressers only take cash tip, I feel it's unfair I help them cheat their taxes.

I think it's only a matter of time that the tip percentage goes up, everything else goes up with inflation.

At bars in NYC and Miami, 20% tip is added to your bill. So you can no longer tip $1 a drink, but much more since drinks cost $12-15 per drink.




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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:38:47 PM
40% of what? Maybe you liked your server and your bill was only $10.XX and you drop $14.00. I dunno. I doubt anyone goes out and spends $50 and leaves $20. Please. Or $12 on $30. No way. 10% is bull


I'll stick with 20 percent, thanks. In the immortal words of Mr. Pink. "She don't like it? She can learn to fucking type."


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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:41:40 PM

I was guite sure that I heard them taking aout a 40% tip because I was talking about with the other moms at the Dance studio.

Like I said I said I only caught a few minutes of the interview.



Please do point out the spot in the segment that you linked.

I listened to the entire clip that you linked and did not ever hear mention of wait staff expecting 30 to 40% tips as you said in your OP.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 3:56:38 PM

Please do point out the spot in the segment that you linked.
Listen starting at 00:20, he says "some have even argued for 30%" at 00:25. Didn't hear anything about 40% though.



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Posted: 1/30/2013 4:02:12 PM

Listen starting at 00:20, he says "some have even argued for 30%" at 00:25. Didn't hear anything about 40% though.


I heard that part at 00:25. It didn't say that servers expect 30%, as the OP stated in her first post. And like you said, there was never any mention of 40%. It also wasn't near the end, as that's the only part the OP claims that she heard.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:29:42 PM

I'm not even buying into the veracity of this story. Waiters are demanding an automatic 25-40% be added onto bills?

OP caught the "tail end" of the segment. I'd like to see the full story to be sure the point wasn't misunderstood and therefore misreported here.
Goodness, yes!! Let cool, informed heads report before people start getting riled up.




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