'I give god 10%' waitress fired by applebees - article link :(
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:24:53 PM
i'm dead tired tonight, so haven't followed up on looking into this (sorry) but i saw this tonight - made me really angry for the waitress..and also ...i guess i was kind of hoping it was an urban legend-ish thing. Sad to think people - especially our 'spiritual leaders' - could think to be such asses... and then be quite so self righteous about being called on it on this day and internet age. Really?


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An Applebee's waitress who posted a receipt with a note from a pastor complaining about the automatic gratuity added to the bill on the Internet was fired on Wednesday after the pastor complained to her manager.

Chelsea Welch, the waitress, wrote in an email to Yahoo News that the pastor (who has since been identified as Alois Bell) told Welch's manager at the St. Louis-area Applebee's that the ensuing firestorm had "ruined" her reputation.

"I give God 10%," Bell wrote on the receipt, scratching out the automatic tip and scribbling in an emphatic "0" where the additional tip would be. "Why do you get 18?" (There were more than eight people in Bell's party, triggering the auto-tip.)

Welch, who snapped a photo of the bill from a fellow server and uploaded to Reddit, defended her right to post the receipt. "I thought the note was insulting, but also comical," she told Consumerist.com. "And I thought other users would find it entertaining."

Bell, a pastor at Truth in the World Deliverance Ministries Church, was not amused, and she called Welch's manager to complain.

"[It was] a lapse in my character and judgment," Bell told the Smoking Gun, adding she did not expect her easily recognizable signature would be, as her friend informed her, 'all over Yahoo. You went viral!'

[Related: Pastor leaves waiter note on receipt: "I give God 10%. Why do you get 18?"]

"My heart is really broken," Bell added. "I've brought embarrassment to my church and ministry."

A spokesman for Applebee's said it apologized to Bell for violating her "right to privacy" and confirmed that Welch “is no longer employed by the franchise."

Welch was surprised that Applebee's fired her, "especially because there was nothing specific in the employee handbook admonishing this behavior."

"I had no intention of starting a witch hunt or hurting anyone. I just wanted to share a picture I found interesting," she said. "I come home exhausted, sore, burnt, dirty and blistered on a good day. And after all that, I can be fired for "embarrassing" someone who directly insults their server on religious grounds."

Welch also isn't buying Bell's embarrassment. “If this person wrote the note, obviously they wanted it seen by someone," she said. "I've been stiffed on tips before, but this is the first time I've seen the Big Man used as reasoning."







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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:35:37 PM
Boo to Applebys but most of all Boo to the (so called) minister.

And as to WHY the minister should follow the rule with the 18%:

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."


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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:37:59 PM
That "pastor" is sadly mistaken if she thinks getting this waitress fired is going to help getting her reputation restored or improved. Beyotch.




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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:39:02 PM
I said this in the other thread...

I find the pastor's note and behavior totally reprehensible, but I would also fire that employee. Not because the customer said anything, but because it is inappropriate and unacceptable to post something like that online. The way to deal with asshole customers is not to publicly humiliate them by posting on Reddit and hoping it goes viral.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:41:34 PM

"My heart is really broken,"Bell added. "I've brought embarrassment to my church and ministry."


If the above is true, why did he complain???!!! Not cool. At all.

He should make it right. That means paying her everything she's due. As in the 18%. And then some for his shabby treatment of her.

Huge dislike for A. His initial failure to tip B. His refusal to make it right C. His getting her fired.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:41:34 PM

"My heart is really broken,"Bell added. "I've brought embarrassment to my church and ministry."


If the above is true, why did he complain???!!! Not cool. At all.

He should make it right. That means paying her everything she's due. As in the 18%. And then some for his shabby treatment of her.

Huge dislike for A. His initial failure to tip B. His refusal to make it right C. His getting her fired.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:48:54 PM

I find the pastor's note and behavior totally reprehensible, but I would also fire that employee. It is inappropriate and unacceptable to post something like that online. The way to deal with asshole customers is not to publicly humiliate them by posting and Reddit and hoping it goes viral.


I agree with Busypea.

One other thing I just wanted to mention about the pastor that I read online: She's a pastor of a 15 member church. I don't know of her credentials, but it's not like she is pastor of a huge congregation.



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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:57:56 PM

I find the pastor's note and behavior totally reprehensible, but I would also fire that employee. Not because the customer said anything, but because it is inappropriate and unacceptable to post something like that online. The way to deal with asshole customers is not to publicly humiliate them by posting on Reddit and hoping it goes viral.


My sentiments exactly.

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My mother and I (we are both Christians) were recently discussing people we have dealt with who were over the top rude and condescending. Almost all of them were Christians and several are/were in the ministry. The vast majority of the Christians I come into contact with are great, compassionate people so I'm speaking about an extremely small percentage. I guess the thing that struck both of us was the fact that the people who have been the hardest to deal with have been vocal Christians!
Just thought it was an interesting conversation in light of this issue...
Hijack over

Of course maybe it was rude and condescending for me to have a small hijack


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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:01:04 PM

My mother and I (we are both Christians) were recently discussing people we have dealt with who were over the top rude and condescending. Almost all of them were Christians and several are/were in the ministry. The vast majority of the Christians I come into contact with are great, compassionate people so I'm speaking about an extremely small percentage. I guess the thing that struck both of us was the fact that the people who have been the hardest to deal with have been vocal Christians!


As a fellow Christian, I agree, and I find this *so* frustrating because I don't want to be associated with them when I say I'm a Christian!


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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:04:51 PM
The pastor basically admitted that what she did was wrong, and she SHOULD be embarrassed. I think sometimes people should be called out on their behavior otherwise they just keep repeating it.

I'm siding with the waitress on this one. If the message was left on the table as a 'tip' then it belongs to the waitress. The waitress had the right to do whatever she wanted to do with it imo. Just like the money would have been hers if she had left a tip.



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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:11:27 PM

If the message was left on the table as a 'tip' then it belongs to the waitress. The waitress had the right to do whatever she wanted to do with it imo. Just like the money would have been hers if she had left a tip.

Actually, she left the note on the credit card slip, which belongs to the restaurant, not the server. But that's neither here nor there. IMO, the server's action was inappropriate and opened the restaurant up to trouble. In a service industry, employees are going to encounter mean people some time. If employees seek to get back at the patrons when they are rude, the restaurant is going to have big problems. They just have to be able to move on.

Do you tell your kids that if someone is a jerk to them, it's ok to be a jerk back? Or should they still be polite?

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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:29:21 AM
I think the Pastor was wrong but so was this waitress. Complain to your coworkers about it and move on. Posting this on the net was her mistake.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:06:46 AM

I agree that there were two people who lost in this situation: the pastor and the waitress. I hope each of them learned a lesson.


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I still side with the waitress on this one. The Pastor needed to be called out for her asshole behavior, and where do you call someone out these days? Yep, on FB, or Yelp, or Reddit.

I don't recall the original receipt, but I don't think it identified the Pastor, nor the restaurant. The fact that it went viral is beside the point, some things do, some don't. This could just have easily not gone anywhere. Besides, doesn't this fall under Free Speech? Doesn't the waitress have a Constitutional right to express herself? Why should she get fired for that?

Since Applebees was one of the business that said it was going to add the cost of Obamacare on to their customer's dinner tabs, I would guess that their employees are even less happy about getting stiffed by some stupid, arrogant, Christian Pastor. I see no reason why the waitress should suck it up and not say anything.

I'm sure with her newly found 15 minutes of fame, someone will offer this waitress a job.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:14:43 AM
Did the pastor give any tip at all? Or none. Because that's not very Christian like. I think many people forget that servers only make half of minimum wage. Which is why they get tips. You don't tip well if the service is poor not because it's a bigger percentage than God gets! That's really sad. Even if the waitress had not posted the photo of the receipt she would have been out that money for serving a table of 8. Which some times is not very easy. That pastor should be embarrassed.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:15:31 AM
Screw Applebees!!! seriously? Fire her to shut this lady up? This lady is a grade-A douchebag.

Not only does this f*tard have the audacity to stiff her, but she gets her fired, when she's the cheap eff? She should be more than embarassed.

This lady is such a dick!

Edited to change sex of this moron.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:23:50 AM

Do you tell your kids that if someone is a jerk to them, it's ok to be a jerk back? Or should they still be polite?


I disagree. She didn't trip her in the parking lot or spit in her food. She posted the receipt out of exasperation for her rude treatment. People have also posted "nice" receipt notes too, and that wasn't a problem.

Also, this pastor is a woman, not a man.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:30:12 AM
I-95,

It was the whole receipt. I saw a picture of the original Reddit pic, and it clearly showed her signature, which could be read easily, so she was easily identified.

Also, the pastor is a WOMAN, not a man as so many of you have assumed.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:41:22 AM
I hope the church fires the pastor for violating THEIR policy with her un-Christian behavior.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:56:54 AM
Pastor = self-righteous jerk.

Waitress = Publicly distributed a company financial document - clearly grounds for termination.

A credit card receipt is a contract. This contract clearly discloses both parties information, which is now in the public domain.




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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:23:42 AM
I heard the pastors interview on the radio, she sounds like a real peach. And a liar.

She tried to weasel out of it by saying that she left a $6 cash tip plus the credit card tip, so she actually left two tips. Except the cc wasn't charged the amount of the tip...so she doesn't mind lying to make herself look better.

She was not very well spoken, grammatical errors all over the place. So I can't imagine she would've an effective pastor. How would she even give a sermon with people focusing more on her speech than the message?

Oh, and she says she left the message in a conscious effort to get out the lord's message about tithing. And she felt she had succeeded.

Yeah, right.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:26:46 AM
They're doing a story on this on our local news right now. She said she left another $6 on the table that "did hit my credit card". So how did she leave $6 on the table if it went on her credit card? I've replayed her interview twice now & don't understand that.


She was not very well spoken, grammatical errors all over the place. So I can't imagine she would've an effective pastor. How would she even give a sermon with people focusing more on her speech than the message?

She doesn't present much better on TV either.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:47:03 AM
Saw the pastor on the local news last night and ITA. She should be embarrassed by the note and her actions after the fact. She was not well spoken and I can't get over the fact of how she is twisting words and actions to justify what she did.


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I find the pastor's note and behavior totally reprehensible, but I would also fire that employee. Not because the customer said anything, but because it is inappropriate and unacceptable to post something like that online. The way to deal with asshole customers is not to publicly humiliate them by posting on Reddit and hoping it goes viral.


I agree. Two wrongs don't make a right. While the employee has the right to free speech, she doesn't have a right to act in a manner that does/can reflect poorly on her employer or cause them harm and expect to keep her job.







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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:12:07 AM
I just wanted to comment on the rudeness of some Christians. Many a year ago I was an assistant manager in a large retail store. My manager was a "preachers wife" and she was the most condescending, judgemental, racist and rude person I had ever had the misfortune of working with.

Years later, she is a little better but when I think back on all of the things that I and many other coworkers and customers put up with I can only shake my head. She spent so much time trying to get me to come to church and I just kept thinking "so I can become you? No thanks"

I realize not everyone is like that, but just like everything else, it only takes a few to spoil the outlook for everyone.





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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:25:46 AM

I-95,

It was the whole receipt. I saw a picture of the original Reddit pic, and it clearly showed her signature, which could be read easily, so she was easily identified.


I wondered about that after I posted. Considering how good some pea detectives are, it wouldn't surprise me if someone could track her from that signature...although I would never have deciphered her first name. However, the restaurant wasn't identified, unless the waitress gave the name in her post.

Personally, I wouldn't have been too sad about losing a job at Applebees over posting that. Two wrongs don't make a right, but sometimes people need to be called on their behavior, and karma certainly came back to bite this Pastor!! I don't feel the least bit sorry for her.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:31:21 AM

Welch, who snapped a photo of the bill from a fellow server and uploaded to Reddit


Bolding is mine

It wasn't the waitress that waited on the pastor that posted it and I would have fire her too.




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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:37:00 AM
How did 8 people only spend $34 plus change to begin with? I'm betting they were a real peach of a group to serve. Not that that makes either action right though.




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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:47:22 AM

How did 8 people only spend $34 plus change to begin with? I'm betting they were a real peach of a group to serve. Not that that makes either action right though.


I thought I read somewhere that they asked to have the check split up amongst the group ...


Considering how good some pea detectives are, it wouldn't surprise me if someone could track her from that signature...although I would never have deciphered her first name.


Had she not included "Pastor" (and the way it's written on the receipt, it looks like it was an afterthought) I would have never been able to decipher her first name. But a quick Google search of "Pastor Bell St. Louis Missouri" was all it took.

I agree that both the person who posted it (and it apparently was not the person who waited on the group) and Pastor Alois Bell both regret their actions, but, the Pastor certainly made the most lasting impression.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:54:56 AM

My mother and I (we are both Christians) were recently discussing people we have dealt with who were over the top rude and condescending. Almost all of them were Christians and several are/were in the ministry. The vast majority of the Christians I come into contact with are great, compassionate people so I'm speaking about an extremely small percentage. I guess the thing that struck both of us was the fact that the people who have been the hardest to deal with have been vocal Christians!


Trust me, all religions have their share of self righteous jerks who interpret the religious texts to meet their needs. Christians certainly don't corner the market in that one. Lol

I do think the waitress opened herself up to be fired by posting the receipt in the Internet. I would be angry if my credit card info was pored on the internet along with my sugnature for forgers and identity theives to have a feild day with it. ( even if it had been a complimentary note )

The pastors actions are not cool, don't reflect we'll on her or her ministry. If she is claims the tip was on her cc bill then she could take issue with her c c company because she clearly crossed or out and wrote zero.

I do not know about the cash tip, I frequently leave a cash tip because it is a habit I learned from my father. I suspect that the waitress would not have had an issue if a cash tip was left, but who can say for sure. Still that wasn't the appropriate pulpit for her message at all.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:56:13 AM
So the pastor is sorry not for what she did but for being "caught?"

Then she acted to have the waitress fired?

Sounds like someone else needs some job retraining too Pastor.

I doubt the waitress intended to out the person publicly. Did she know that the Pastors friends would recognize her signature?

That receipt doesn't compromise the woman's identity. People drop receipts all the time. That's a red herring to try and deflect embarrassment. "But but but LOOK WHAT SHE DID TO ME!"



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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:27:13 AM
Well, the waitress "called out" the pastor and now she is experiencing the consequences of those actions.

Considering that the incident did not involve the fired waitress, the adage "MYOB" comes to mind.





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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:35:40 AM
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She was hoping to get delivered from paying tips!



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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:35:54 AM

I agree that both the person who posted it (and it apparently was not the person who waited on the group)
I'm confused. If the waitress did not post the receipt, then why did she get fired?

And as to WHY the minister should follow the rule with the 18%:

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
Good point! The pastor was in the wrong. She should have owned up, learned from it, and dropped the matter.



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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:52:09 AM

If the waitress did not post the receipt, then why did she get fired?


The waitress that posted the receipt got fired, not the one that waited on the Pastor.




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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:32:48 AM
I see both sides.

Everyone is going to the media for every stinkin' thing anymore. Life isn't fair. Boo hoo you get a lousy tip. Get over yourself. Why people think they need the whole world to know their dramatic injustice of getting stiffed, I'll never know.

I also think the pastor was being an ass.

And I also think Applebees shouldn't have fired her. The whole customer is always right is bullsh*t.




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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:37:51 AM
Huh. I was fired from a waitressing job when I was 19 because I stood up for a fellow waitress who had been stiffed by a large party. I wrote a letter to the group's leader and he brought it back to the restaurant manager and insisted that I be fired for "insulting" him.

So I feel for the waitress. It's a tough job and you're expected to take all manner of abuse from patrons without the slightest complaint, or risk losing your job.

That pastor should be ashamed of herself.



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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:40:52 AM
The short interview I saw with the Pastor, she did say she regretted writing it. They also said that the sacked waitress has received lots of offers of financial help and a petition has been started to force Applebee's to rehire her. I couldn't return to work there if it was me though! I think the waitress was wrong but I also think the Pastor showed a shocking lack of judgement and grace.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:51:06 AM
I have no problem with people making mistakes in the heat of the moment.

If the Pastor says she regrets it, or the waitress does, I think all should move on.

I really doubt either party thought it would go this far.




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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:12:59 AM
If she had posted the receipt picture but had blurred/covered up/removed/etc the signature, would she still have been fired?


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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:19:45 AM

If she had posted the receipt picture but had blurred/covered up/removed/etc the signature, would she still have been fired?


Very possibly. The receipt itself, in part or in whole, is private company financial records.

I wonder if the waitress who was stiffed was reprimanded in any way?

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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:21:40 AM
Thanks, Dawn!


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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:24:59 AM
It makes a HUGE difference to know that the fired waitress who posted the receipt was *not* the one who waited on the pastor.

Absolutely she deserved to be fired... She brought negative publicity to the restaurant, posted someone's name online leaving them susceptible to all kinds of harassment or worse (even though we all agree she deserves it lol).


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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:50:24 AM
I didn't realize that the receipt had actually been posted on the internet and that you could read the person's name. Looking at the receipt though she didn't leave any tip and if she was going to leave a $6 tip why write that on the receipt as it was only 29 cents more. I still feel bad for the waitress but I know stuff like this happens all the time. Funny DH and I were talking about this last night while we were out at dinner.

I haven't seen the pastors interview and don't care to she just sounds like a real peach - oh and her church is only 15 people yeah something sounds off on that one to. I agree the person's name should have been blurred and then it wouldn't have been an issue.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:51:49 AM
if the pastor hadn't added insult to injury, she would have just pissed off the staff and that would have been the end of it. instead she had to act like a complete asshole and got exactly what she deserved.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:00:08 AM
I think the pastor's original actions were lousy.

I think the girl who posted the receipt *with the name visible* made a huge error in judgment with that choice. She obviously hasn't learned from the lessons of dozens of stories told of people fired for over-sharing about their jobs/customers/students/patients/etc. on the internet.


I think the pastor has a real knack for bad choices, because getting this girl fired, even if her actions did warrant it, is likely just going to lead to more notoriety and embarrassment for her.

And I'd go ahead and guess that she is typically a lousy tipper, if she tips at all. So this was probably just one of many waitresses she left high and dry. It was just the first time a waitress's coworker decided to post the evidence for all to see.





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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:05:28 AM
If this so called pastor would have done the right thing from the beginning, this all could have been avoided. This "pastor" should be ashamed of themself.



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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:06:07 AM

She tried to weasel out of it by saying that she left a $6 cash tip plus the credit card tip, so she actually left two tips.



I'm having a hard time believing that one. Technically, she could have left it and the note was simply a way for her to bitch about it, but the note *really* reads more like an excuse for no tip to me.




As a side note, when I pay by debit card, I do leave a cash tip if I can. That way a % of the tip isn't taken by the credit card company. BUT, I write on the receipt on the tip line "Tip left as cash.".

That way the server knows darn well a tip was left, even if someone else tries to say that there wasn't one.



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Posted: 2/1/2013 10:10:52 AM


My mother and I (we are both Christians) were recently discussing people we have dealt with who were over the top rude and condescending. Almost all of them were Christians and several are/were in the ministry. The vast majority of the Christians I come into contact with are great, compassionate people so I'm speaking about an extremely small percentage. I guess the thing that struck both of us was the fact that the people who have been the hardest to deal with have been vocal Christians!


As a fellow Christian, I agree, and I find this *so* frustrating because I don't want to be associated with them when I say I'm a Christian!


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Posted: 2/1/2013 11:08:52 AM

She wasn't persecuted by the government, she was fired by a private employer, and rightfully so. Free speech means you can say what you want without punishment from the government, but your employer and the public at large are entitled to comment on your speech all they want.



Yes, I'm well aware of that, I was being facetious. Perhaps I should have included a so you would recognize it for what it was.
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