Mixing white & cream what do you think? Maybe Shimelle can help too?

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Posted 2/2/2013 by capegina in General Scrappin'
 

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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:28:48 PM
Shimelle (and Glitter girl) frequently talk about mixing white & cream based papers and how it doesn't usually work. I'd love to hear thoughts on this. Sometimes I'm putting together a page with papers that have white & cream elements and it seems to look okay. Other times I'll think something is "off" and can't figure out what it is, only to try removing the white/cream combo and it looks better. Any rules that people follow around this? I do agree that generally they don't mix well but I notice in Shimelle's Best of Both Worlds kit, there are both types of papers. I would think those papers should be able to be used with the other papers in the kit.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:32:53 PM
I have tried many times to mix white & cream. I just can't do it. I think it's the retentive side of me that can't make it work.

When it's done right...when it WORKS, I think it's a gorgeous look!!

I've noticed that truly artistic people who work in *any* medium (scrapbooking, interior design, fashion) can often pull this off beautifully. I am just NOT one of those people.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:38:00 PM
I think it depends on the papers.
I generally don't mix cream and white based papers but there are a few exceptions.

Some papers have cream AND white in them (like dear lizzy 5th and frolic) so that makes me throw the no cream and white rule out the window.

If it is a very pale cream rather than a richer shade then I will mix it with white.

If the white is a bit distressed then I think it can be mixed with cream more easily. Inking the edges with a brown usually helps with unity.

I say that rules are made to be broken It's a good rule of thumb to not mix cream and white but once you start experimenting you find that there are instances when they can mix quite nicely.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:38:01 PM
I can't really pull it off either. My last LO was driving me bonkers because the white in the paper was slightly cream colored. However when I tried to put down a paper that was cream, my original paper was too white!

I tend to stick with cream together or white together. I do not have the time, talent, or energy to try to make them work.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:56:23 PM
I can't do it. When I was a child, my mother told me then to never mix cream and white.

It's been beaten into me.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:04:23 PM
I generally don't mix them. I have tried to put together October Afternoon papers with papers having a really white base and it never works. On rare occasion I will take a small white-based paper and then lightly ink it all over to get rid of that stark white and help it to match the cream papers that I want to use.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:06:35 PM
I use what looks right... now I am wondering if I have ever mixed them... I'm going to have to check!

Shimelle's video from yesterday about using some of the kit scraps talks about this. If I remember right, I think she inked all of the edges to bring it all together.

You may want to change the thread title to include "Shimelle:Mixing white & cream?" or something so she will see it and respond.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:33:14 PM
I love it here - love it that I can confirm that I'm not alone in my thinking! Good idea - re: title.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:40:35 PM
I have definitely mixed them but I also agree that it has to look "right". I think it's a matter of experimenting and seeing what works.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:50:24 PM
I think cream and white look lovely together, but the cream has to be yellow-y, not brown tinged and OA cream has a touch of brown if you ask me.

I think of white icing on pastries and who doesn't love to look at that?

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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:58:28 PM
It's actually all I want to do now that you wrote about it! It sounds fabulous! What a great idea.

I want to scrap and scrap and scrap and NEVER go back to work.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:02:16 PM
Great thread! I was struggling with this last night and ended up distressing my white...glitter girl, we need you!!
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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:07:22 PM
It doesn't look right to me. Every great once in awhile I will do it & those layouts are always a little annoying to me.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:21:49 PM
I generally don't mix them either, but every so often (my last LO posted) you can get away with it. The white can't be a super pure bright white orbit doesn't work for me.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:22:14 PM
Honestly, I don't even notice when I'm using a cream-based or white-based paper/embellishments.....maybe I'll notice it more now!

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:37:33 PM
I LOVE mixing different "shades" of white...

I always think back to the old movie "The Postman Always Rings Twice" and how the costume designer dressed Lana Turner in "7 shades of white" with her platinum hair in this black and white film and how terrific the subtle differences were - - - -

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Posted: 2/2/2013 10:46:07 PM
I think it depends on the shade of white and the shade of cream, how close the papers are together in the layout, what other colors are being used and their shades (yellow or blue undertones) etc. Oh, and from my perspective I look at the photo's colors as well!

You can have whites that are bright,almost icy looking while other whites are more creamy, milky in yet still considered "white". That later would blend easier with cream papers and the former would likely clash.

I have been known to use my distress inks to "cream up" a white patterned paper so that is would blend with other cream based patterned papers. It is much harder to go the other way cream-to-white!

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Posted: 2/2/2013 11:12:35 PM
Jenni Bowlin's Malted Milk ink does a really good job of turning white to cream.

And yes, I have seen them mixed well but it is something I have a hard time with it. I would love to see Glitter Girl address this.

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Posted: 2/3/2013 1:38:30 AM
I mix white and cream. Sometimes I'll use a white cardstock with patterned paper (or even other cardstock) with hints of cream, but I rarely mix browny creams with white.

Sometimes the two work together, sometimes they don't. It depends on the shade of cream.

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Posted: 2/3/2013 8:30:13 PM
I have been watching lots of videos this weekend and you may want to check out
MercyTiara's youtube channel.
She uses both white and cream together all the time. One in perticular I watched recently was 3rd annual scrapaganza where she used label stickers together that are both white and cream based.

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Posted: 2/3/2013 8:48:49 PM
I haven't been able to do it. It looks off to me. But I am not good at mixing patterns either!


On rare occasion I will take a small white-based paper and then lightly ink it all over to get rid of that stark white and help it to match the cream papers that I want to use.



I have done this also.

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Posted: 2/3/2013 9:58:40 PM
I love white and cream together. I can see three examples in my recent pages:

White cut lace on dark cream/light beige
white title banner and journal strips on cream
white stars on black/cream based patterns

I guess I like how white makes a contrast with cream but it's still light and fresh as a whole.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:52:29 AM
Brianaj, I love your Halloween page!

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Posted: 2/4/2013 5:11:16 AM
I'm a big fan of the tags by Elle's Studio. They layer white and cream and I love the look.






Haven't tried it myself yet, but I think it can be done!


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Posted: 2/4/2013 5:44:08 AM
I do like white, cream & kraft together. I did a lot of that mix in my recent Christmas layouts. It just seemed that there was a lot of cream/white in the Christmas pages I kept trying to use. I think it gives a crisp contrast.

Like lots of others have said in this thread, I think it just depends & it can definately work.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 6:35:09 AM
I think you just have to experiment and see what go together. I'm working with this right now, as the current kit I made from my stash has both very crisp whites and a lot of cream tones along with the black and red.

I used both white and cream in my OLW page foundation for February - here's an Instagram photo of it. The deers, the vellum journal books, the cardstock background and the paper in the top row are white, while the papers in the bottom row and the pearly shimmery specialty paper in the middle row of pockets are cream instead of white (some are even both cream and white).

Same thing with the OLW January page where the background on the damask cards (Webster's Pages) are cream, and the OA Woodland paper (bottom to the right) has some cream but the rest is white.

Do you think it works? Or should I be embarrassed? lol!

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Posted: 2/4/2013 6:43:46 AM
I think you have to make it look very intentional in your layout, and not just have white or cream in just one or two small spots. Does that make sense?
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Posted: 2/4/2013 6:52:53 AM
The only way I can make it work is when I use the white based papers more as a "mat" for the other cream based papers.

One of the tones (either white or cream) must be used sparingly.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 9:26:39 AM
I love mixing whites and creams. My last layout in the garden was based on this color combo.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 9:28:09 AM
Lots of great points made here already, so let's see what I can add!

I think the first thing to keep in mind is that it's something I mention to heighten your awareness and you may then find your style on the subject from there. It's definitely not a case of white and cream can never work together. There is a book from Somerset/Stampington called True Colors that showcases a selection of very artistic circle journals, each with a different colour. There is a white themed journal in there and every entry is several shades of white and cream and they are absolutely gorgeous - but you can see the purposeful choice to make it that way, just like the film costuming. To mix all those shades of white and cream is done specifically, not accidentally and not because that was what happened to be next to the trimmer. And there are many shades, not two. One white base and one cream base sits in the most awkward spot - not enough to show you did something on purpose and just jarring enough to look like it clashes because you made do.

It is not the end of the world to use one of each together - not by a long shot. But if you're relatively happy with your style and want to give it a bit more polish, then keeping all to cream or all to white is a way to instantly makes your designs cleaner. When i work as an editor, it's something that makes or breaks a design for me - the sort of thing that doesn't matter in your albums at home, but if I have to whittle down from ten great projects to three, it is something that would help me pick. Likewise, you could purposefully mix many shades and have that work too.

If you need to make do with some white and some cream, adding an off-white ink or mist can change a white paper to a cream paper, or edging everything with the same shade of brown ink can give some continuity to the colour and minimise the jar factor of the white/cream contrast.

There are examples when there is enough shade difference between the two shades that I reasonably wouldn't consider then to be white and cream together any more. In the case of Elle's Studio, I would consider that shade to closer to kraft, and kraft works well with white or cream. Elle's definitely uses both white and cream in the same pack though - they have both a bright white and a cream that is the shade of manila, like a file folder. I prefer using them on separate pages - the bright white feels more modern and the manila feels more vintage, and many of Elle's designs correspond to that froth my eye - like the flash cards are a vintage look and they are on manila, if that makes sense? Some companies don't do both (like October Afternoon prints pretty much everything on cream, AC lines tend to be on white, etc).

I do include both white and cream within a kit (including the February Best of Both Worlds) because I never expect to use all the papers together on the same page for a project, so I just tend to group the whites together and the creams together to start, then toward the end of using everything I will find ways here and there to make them work together because that is what I have left. It's just compromise really, and often I can use a side that includes just colour without cream or white and that can help avoid the conundrum when possible.

One product I find helps make the two work together is the art box sprinklers set from October Afternoon. It includes white, cream, kraft, and grey. Sometimes I will use the first three all together t help pull together the varied shades of paper.

Basically I mention it because if you've never thought about it and then it's brought to your attention, it can be a huge help straight away. But it is certainly an imperfect case, because there are so many shades of paper and now there are also collections printed on a very pale grey tone too. It's a bit like I before e except after c - it can help, but unfortunately sometimes it leaves you looking at the word 'receipt' so long that you're tempted to just write 'bill' and run away quickly.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 11:45:39 AM
Great layouts, great ideas & thanks to all. I love the examples people gave. I'm definitely going to be looking at this in my layouts. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 11:53:46 AM

I think it depends on the shade of white and the shade of cream, how close the papers are together in the layout, what other colors are being used and their shades (yellow or blue undertones) etc. Oh, and from my perspective I look at the photo's colors as well!

You can have whites that are bright,almost icy looking while other whites are more creamy, milky in yet still considered "white". That later would blend easier with cream papers and the former would likely clash.


This is exactly what I was thinking, too.

Now having said that, I tend to scrap in white-based EP papers. But I like OA designs, too and have recently added them to my stash so it will be interesting to see how I mix them in the future.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 2:06:28 PM
What great suggestions, LOs, and ideas. Now I understand why sometimes white and cream look so lovely together and other times they look just plain wrong.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:10:21 PM
Great discussion-definitely makes you think!

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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:28:25 PM
I think it depends on the shade of white and the shade of cream, how close the papers are together in the layout, what other colors are being used and their shades (yellow or blue undertones) etc.




I agree with this, as well... for me, I will sometimes add white (by itself) to cream-based patterned papers such as October Afternoon Farmhouse, for example, which to me are very yellowed in cast. Or, I could maybe add cream (by itself) to a layout with clear, white-based patterned papers, like some of Echo Park's, that seem to have a more bluish cast to the colors.

But I'd have to work much harder to mix the white-based PPs themseles with cream-based PPs and make it look like I meant to do it- most of the time, it just looks off to me so I avoid it. If the paper is mostly colored with very small hints of white or cream in the pattern, that's easier to me than if the main background of the pattern itself is white or cream.


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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:32:58 PM
Great discussion, thanks!
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