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Panetta testifies yesterday regarding the Benghazi attack and apparently the president was MIA during the night and the WH, the State Dept and the Dept of Defense were not in communication during most of the attack. Does this not concern anyone that it sounds like the WH basically washed its hands of the issue and told Panetta to deal with it? There are things that could have been done that only the president can authorize and he was out of the communication loop.
I have been reading different accounts of the testimony this morning, and I am just sick about it. What is also so funny (in a f'ed up sort of way), I read two accounts of the testimony, one from HuffPo and one from the Weekly Standard, and the spin is so vastly different. One is a Republican witch hunt, the other is a incredibly incompetent administration. I have my opinions about the whole mess, but I guess I would like to hear other opinions.
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I'm sorry this happened but don't people realize that you have been beating a dead horse for how long now. It is time to move on. Learn what we can and move on. Let it go. |
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Yes, its just flat out disgusting, in my opinion.
The 'what does it matter' comment from Clinton?
Well, what matters is that 4 people died that day, the administration could have done things that would likely have prevented the whole attack in the first place had they listened to the people THERE and taken their requests seriously, 2 Americans asked for back up and were denied, 1 American shined a laser for missles to hit the attackers that ended up giving up their location and leading the terrorists directly to them.
What I really want to know is why he would have done that if he new beyond a shadow of a doubt that no help was on the way???
It DOES matter.
It matters because there were so many lies told by the administration following the attack.
It matters because a man sits in jail now as part of the cover up.
Those people have died and they will never be back. Nothing will change that.
It matters because the government lied and created a cover up.
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PP, I assume when you say "you" you are referring to the global you, correct? and beating a dead horse? I think if the situation wasn't such a CF from the beginning, I would agree with you about moving on. In this case, there is so much CYA going on and information that isn't forthcoming and the fact that no one seems able to take the responsibility that it opens up far more questions then it answers.
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there is so much CYA going on and information that isn't forthcoming and the fact that no one seems able to take the responsibility that it opens up far more questions then it answers.
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OP, sadly you are right.
The first post below yours echoes the sentiment of how at least 50 %'feel. They won't hold President Obama to the same high standard they held President Bush to. Not on fast and furious, Benghazi, or drone strikes on American citizens suspected of being a terriorist without oversight.
The lack of transparency in this President and his administration is disturbing.
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don't people realize that you have been beating a dead horse for how long now.
More like dead Americans than a dead horse.
Sadly, I think that the tactic was to delay, delay, delay until the short attention span of most Americans moved onto something more shiny and it could essentially be pushed under the rug without a lot of fuss.
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Actually, a lot of people care.
It was a telling event for the administration and it appears to be a large cover up. I don't think we will learn the truth.
The current administration doesn't want take responsibility for it and doesn't care about the incident because most the country has forgotten about it and it is not getting in the way of its current goals. Delay for long enough, don't provide straight answers, spin it all as a witch hunt, and unfortunately most Americans will forget about it and think of it as a dead horse.
I hope those in a position to act continue to press for truth.
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You guys are looking for something that is just not there. Clinton has said mistakes were made and they are putting in procedures to make sure this doesn't happen again. Yes the mistakes resulted in 4 deaths but you learn from then and move on. Now if this should happen again then that is a big problem.
As to Clinton's comment about "what does it matter". When you know the question and her answer I agree with her. What did it matter if it was a spontaneous attack or a planned attack the end result was 4 dead Americans and they need to make sure it doesn't happen again. Was there a lapse in their intelligence network? Maybe but that is not something you discuss in a public hearing for obvious reasons.
There is no big conspiracy tragic mistakes but no conspiracy IMO.
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I usually don't watch the news, but last night I did unfortunately. Secretary Panetta's attitude made me mad...and he is one of the few in this administration I can usually tolerate.
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We will never know if the President or Secretary Clinton were more engaged in the Benghazi attack in real time if lives could have been saved. But what we do know was there was an absence of leadership during the attack. Then they tried to cover it up by saying it was a spontaneous demonstration due to an obscure you tube video - because winning an election was more important than telling the truth.
If not for the tenacity of a few reporters at Fox News and Senators McCain, Graham and Ayotte this would have been neatly swept under the carpet.
You can call it a mistake, I call it lack of leadership.
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You know I mostly lurk here; but it's interesting to me back before the election the liberals (here) were saying they weren't going to talk about it until all of the information was in because we didn't know enough. Well, now that it's been coming in we hear BTDT...why do we need to keep discussing this? Or as Clinton said, "What does it matter now?" Um, we still have no accountability or answers, nor a real discussion. Funny how that works.
I guarantee had President Bush been in the same situation he would have been raked over the coals from the get go. Anyone who says otherwise is not being honest with themselves. President Obama continues to remain untouched. At some point he has to step up and take some accountability for something, anything. As the mess that is Obamacare continues to roll out, I'm certain Republicans will somehow be blamed because I've already heard that spin. | |
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No one cared when it happened, so why would they care now? It's been a CYA situation and blame game from the beginning and I don't see the truth ever being publicized. |
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I think we should care that they just sat their while these Americans were under attack - reports say there was help available but that they were told not to help - WTF that is just wrong on so many accounts. I don't think we will ever know what really happened because they are just worried about covering their butts and have come up with stories. I agree it doesn't matter why it happened spontaneous or planned the outcome was the same but it was that once they knew it was happening and that they had a visual of what was happening and they just sat and watched - that is sickening and I would feel that way if a Republican was in charge as well. Didn't they say this took place over 4 hours and that help was only 30 mins away? Maybe I heard wrong but that is what they were saying when it happened.
I haven't watched but have only heard a few clips and it is just sickening. Since it has never really been said what happened and why nothing was done I understand why people want to know. We also want to make sure it never happens again. If they had come out with the truth right away then I don't think we would still be talking about it. |
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You know what I find totally crazy? We are told "Hillary Clinton says she takes full responsibility."
And that means what exactly?
Yesterday we found out that Defense Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey did not speak one single time that night to Mrs Clinton! 
Not one phone call of, "Can you guys help them?" or "How long until we can get assets over to provide air cover and/or rescue them?" etc
I watched the hearings all day long yesterday (Brennan's too) and was SHOCKED that not one single soldier was in the air or one single aircraft sent to help them during the entire almost 8 hrs this battle went on!
Remember, in hind site we now know this ended after 8hrs, but at the time the Ambassador was STILL MISSING. No one knew where he was, if he was kidnapped, alive or dead! Yet still no call from Mrs Clinton, our President nor did the Defense Dept even put one single plane or soldier into the air?????
I have a family member who serves in the Military and he was within that part of the world on that day. I went back and rewatched parts of the hearing last night with dh. It was disgusting to see how both the of those guys were splicing words before finally admitting no one was in the way. American families missed their sons for Christmas this yr, children will grown up without their Daddies, and ALL these guys are worried about is politics.
It even sounds like there was one team ready to go, but then they had to go and change into civilian clothes? There is a HUGE STRAIN of "light footprint" political correctness going on here! Sickening because people's lives were lost and if I'm not mistaken, there are people STILL in Walter Reed medical center as a result of that terror attack.
We heard stupid meandering stuff about 287 other threats that day (you'd think that since the Embassy walls in Egypt has just been over
run hours earlier that they would have ALREADY put special teams into mode to do whatever might be needed. But apparently NOT! )
What difference does it make??? Let's listen to Pat Smitth again, shall we? That the mother of the Information Officer who died - the CNN link is from the Huffington post, not exactly a right wing source. 
This was one week after after the Democrat Convention and I truly believe that President Obama was more worried about his re-election than he was about those people. He flew to Vegas the next day, remember?
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I watched the testimony in real time rather than having the spin doctors tell me what I should think. More of you should try it. I'm sure the testimony is available on YouTube or Cspan's website.
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I'm sorry this happened but don't people realize that you have been beating a dead horse for how long now. It is time to move on. Learn what we can and move on. Let it go.
It is exactly this attitude the OP is upset over. You don't care about the lives lost or holding the government accountable for their role in this tragedy. I don't think we should ever let it go or move on and we have far more to learn from this event than what has been done. If we let it go we learn that the government can get away with shirking responsibility and can dodge accountability. | |
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You know I mostly lurk here; but it's interesting to me back before the election the liberals (here) were saying they weren't going to talk about it until all of the information was in because we didn't know enough. Well, now that it's been coming in we hear BTDT...why do we need to keep discussing this? Or as Clinton said, "What does it matter now?" Um, we still have no accountability or answers, nor a real discussion. Funny how that works.
I guarantee had President Bush been in the same situation he would have been raked over the coals from the get go. Anyone who says otherwise is not being honest with themselves. President Obama continues to remain untouched. At some point he has to step up and take some accountability for something, anything. As the mess that is Obamacare continues to roll out, I'm certain Republicans will somehow be blamed because I've already heard that spin.
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I didn't listen to all that was said...but I did hear panetta say that the military is not like calling 911. the specific threats were not made/known ahead of time...and the military can't respond instantly to a foreign country far from a ship or base.
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 11:42:59 AM
Good point, ShelMyBell. Does it matter what precipitated the attack? I think it does, but that kind of hindsight is 20/20. What matters to me is that the shit was hitting the fan, and the president and S of S were AWOL. THAT is what infuriates me. Mistakes happen, but this is a full on dereliction of duty. The president KNEW that we had an embassy under attack and according to Panetta, NOT ONE PHONE CALL during the entire 8 hrs to find out how things were going. Nothing, nada.
There were things that could have been set into motion but only under the orders of the president. A president who by all reports, turned off the ringer on his phone and checked out for the evening.
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Sunny, we have quick response teams that are trained to ya know, respond quickly. We could have sent a team in, but we didn't.
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The republicans have a hard on for the 4 killed in Benghazi yet publicly say nothing about the thousands that have been killed the two unfounded wars we've been fighting. If you're so outraged at the innocent lives lost, then where are all the threads about it? What a slap in the face of all those who died.
The Benghazi outrage from the right is tiresome.
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You don't care about the lives lost or holding the government accountable for their role in this tragedy. I don't think we should ever let it go or move on and we have far more to learn from this event than what has been done. If we let it go we learn that the government can get away with shirking responsibility and can dodge accountability.
Exactly how I feel about 9/11/01. Oh, and the war machine going full blast since then.
The Benghazi outrage from the right is tiresome.
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As to Clinton's comment about "what does it matter". When you know the question and her answer I agree with her. What did it matter if it was a spontaneous attack or a planned attack the end result was 4 dead Americans and they need to make sure it doesn't happen again. Was there a lapse in their intelligence network? Maybe but that is not something you discuss in a public hearing for obvious reasons.
ITA People are taking her comment out of context.
The republicans have a hard on for the 4 killed in Benghazi yet publicly say nothing about the thousands that have been killed the two unfounded wars we've been fighting. If you're so outraged at the innocent lives lost, then where are all the threads about it? What a slap in the face of all those who died.
The Benghazi outrage from the right is tiresome.
Good point.
Obama was never AWOL. I met a guy once at a happy hour who told me does sign language interpretation and is often called at 3am by the White House because that is when Obama chose to film some statement. They can phone up Obama for anything important. The issue is there was some lack of chain of command in alerting the powers that be to what was going on.
What I want an answer to, is that one of the fathers of the deceased called into a radio station to talk about his experience receiving his son's body at Andrews Air Force Base. He said that in attendance was Obama, Clinton, McCain and Colin Powell. What was Powell doing there? He's not employed by the administration, is he a hush hush consultant for Obama? |
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 2:06:29 PM
Sadly it is because people are so apathetic to lies this administration tells.
Everyone...the media...the country turn a blind eye and say oh, well!
We need to get damn mad and let our congress representatives know we do care!
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 2:22:56 PM
I met a guy once at a happy hour who told me does sign language interpretation and is often called at 3am by the White House because that is when Obama chose to film some statement.
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 2:35:32 PM
Sadly it is because people are so apathetic to lies this administration tells.
Everyone...the media...the country turn a blind eye and say oh, well!
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 2:44:25 PM
You don't care about the lives lost or holding the government accountable for their role in this tragedy. I don't think we should ever let it go or move on and we have far more to learn from this event than what has been done.
What a very interesting thing for you to say.
In fact, you were one of those loudest saying that just b/c you were so adamant about 2nd amendment individual rights and guns being available for all and resistant against gun control that how dare anyone intimate that you didn't care about the actual lives lost in the myriad mass shootings that abound in the US.
Yet, here you are, with the audacity to tell someone they don't care about the lives lost b/c they feel the political aspect needs to be let go? What a horrific accusation to make against someone. That is just reprehensible, Mrs. T. Exactly what you didn't want done to you and yet here you are, doing it to someone else. |
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 2:48:10 PM
Sadly it is because people are so apathetic to lies this administration tells.
Everyone...the media...the country turn a blind eye and say oh, well!
And you know this how? Do you have anything to back this up? What are you seeing that the rest of are missing?
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You can call it a mistake, I call it lack of leadership.
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What a very interesting thing for you to say.
In fact, you were one of those loudest saying that just b/c you were so adamant about 2nd amendment individual rights and guns being available for all and resistant against gun control that how dare anyone intimate that you didn't care about the actual lives lost in the myriad mass shootings that abound in the US.
Yet, here you are, with the audacity to tell someone they don't care about the lives lost b/c they feel the political aspect needs to be let go? What a horrific accusation to make against someone. That is just reprehensible, Mrs. T. Exactly what you didn't want done to you and yet here you are, doing it to someone else.
VERY WELL SAID! 
I can't get too upset over the outrage coming from the right when there were MANY attacks that resulted in deaths of American citizens at our consulates and embassies during the Bush Administration and nary a word of outrage or a call for his head from his supporters and I'm not even talking about the ill-fated, ill-advised Iraqi war. I just kinda do this when the right starts to politicize the tragic deaths of Americans for a "gotcha" moment. |
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 4:30:59 PM
It's pretty obvious, actually. Fast and Furious and Benghazi are just a couple of examples
Do you know the entire story about Fast and Furious? Its kind of intersting to see who responsible for that mess that goes all away back to 2006 and before. There is a lot of blame to go around on that mess.
And I don't think "pretty obvious" answers the question about all the lies.
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 6:09:04 PM
I think this investigation is going to go nowhere
Maybe because there is no where else for it to go. Mistakes were made and acknowledged, hopefully to be learned from. Everyone seems to conveniently forget this is not the first attack on an embassy. Seven during the Bush administration. Imagine that. I don't recall anyone claiming they were his fault.
Sadly it is because people are so apathetic to lies this administration tells.
Just because you aren't happy with what is said doesn't make them lies. You might want to offer some proof if making allegations.
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If Batya and Kristina are scolding me, I'm doing my job well. The post I responded to showed incredible apathy towards the seriousness of the situation. It is a very different discussion than gun control. And I have never been apathetic to the victims of gun violence in my support of the 2nd amendment. | |
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I have never been apathetic to the victims of gun violence
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Predictable. You had the nerve to tell someone she didn't care about the loss of lives when you flipped at that being done to you. Disgraceful. There is no difference whatsoever. She is talking about learning from the mistakes so it doesn't happen again. You don't even want to learn from the mistakes.
Huh. I guess you're right. It IS different. Thanks for making me see it more clearly. |
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Predictable. You had the nerve to tell someone she didn't care about the loss of lives when you flipped at that being done to you. Disgraceful. There is no difference whatsoever. She is talking about learning from the mistakes so it doesn't happen again. You don't even want to learn from the mistakes.
Huh. I guess you're right. It IS different. Thanks for making me see it more clearly.
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Kim, telling us we're beating a dead horse comes across as apathetic to me.
You don't even want to learn from the mistakes.
Show me where I ever even remotely implied that regarding gun violence. I believe in the conversation and have advocated for many reasonable and sensible gun control options on the COUNTLESS threads on the topic.
Batya, I truly no longer care about your view of my opinion. You act no differently than you accuse me of being when it comes to topics you are passionate about. Tenacious, stubborn, condescending, hypocritical, intolerant, unwilling to hear what others say... Apparently that method is perfectly acceptable for those who share your opinion. | |
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Panetta sounded like an incompetent boob. The military guy that testified after him sounded like a whiner. God save our troops if this is the best we have to lead them.
And it sounds like the President took a short phone call and then went to bed to get his beauty sleep for the campaign stop in Las Vegas. Pitiful lack of leadership.
And where was Hilary during all of this? It was under her Department!
There is not enough salary or prestige to warrant anyone being an ambassador if this is the kind of support they get, especially after begging for help in a raid that lasted 8 hours. Pathetic. | |
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dynalady
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 7:47:26 PM
Kim, telling us we're beating a dead horse comes across as apathetic to me.
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lynlam
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 8:46:45 PM
"I am not saying that errors weren't made, but I don't feel that they were done purposely."
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So, if you make a huge error in your job, one that contributes to a huge loss by your employer, you would not be fired, simply because you didn't do it purposely?
If you were in charge and on call, and a serious situation was occurring that warranted your attention, and you failed to call in and keep abreast of the situation you would not be fired, because you didn't do it purposely?
Bull$hit.
I guarantee you, if it was a damn republican in the White House, he would already be impeached over this.
It's disgusting how little many of you care about the leadership qualities of the man you elected and his cabinet. |
 
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 9:05:08 PM
Well, what matters is that 4 people died that day, the administration could have done things that would likely have prevented
It was a terrible thing that happened. But, I find it so odd that the right is shitting themselves over this-an attack on an embassy in a place that sees violence and death all the time, but somehow backpedals on doing things that would likely prevent the deaths of innocent children. For me, the killing of kindergarteners in a schoolis infinitely harder to stomach than the death of soldiers and governmental representatives who are serving in a war zone.
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 9:24:24 PM
So, if you make a huge error in your job, one that contributes to a huge loss by your employer, you would not be fired, simply because you didn't do it purposely?
If you were in charge and on call, and a serious situation was occurring that warranted your attention, and you failed to call in and keep abreast of the situation you would not be fired, because you didn't do it purposely?
Bull$hit.
I guarantee you, if it was a damn republican in the White House, he would already be impeached over this.
It's disgusting how little many of you care about the leadership qualities of the man you elected and his cabinet.
Jon Stewart did a piece about Clint Eastwood talking to the empty chair. His point was Eastwood was talking to an Obama that the rest of the world doesn't see because its only in his feeble little mind. I'm beginning to thnk you belong with Eastwood.
People make mistakes. The State Department has admitted mistakes were made and they are going to make sure it doesn't happen again. We, the public, are not ever going to know the entire story and what was done to fix it because of security concerns. Now if it happens again then yes "we made a mistake" won't cut it.
And to answer your question about if an employee makes a mistake that costs a company a lot money would they kept their jobs. Yes actually over the years I have known a couple of people who made honest mistakes that cost the company several hundred dollars and they kept their jobs.
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 9:31:38 PM
I guarantee you, if it was a damn republican in the White House, he would already be impeached over this.
Bullshit. There was a damn republican in the White House during attacks and deaths at our consulates and embassies and not a fucking word out of anyone until now. Spare me your phony manufactured outrage. |
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TinaFB
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 9:38:00 PM
Did anyone happen to notice that Kim posted about SEVEN embassy attacks during Bush's presidency. SEVEN. Maybe my memory is faulty, but I don't remember anyone calling for his impeachment.
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LBrock44
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 9:51:54 PM
I guarantee you, if it was a damn republican in the White House, he would already be impeached over this.
Bullshit. There was a damn republican in the White House during attacks and deaths at our consulates and embassies and not a fucking word out of anyone until now. Spare me your phony manufactured outrage.
No shit. Thousands of lives were lost in a war that we entered on faulty intelligence and downright ignorance of the facts. I lost five former students in that war. But not a damn word from the right on how tragic that whole cluster fuck was. Four people die in Bengazhi. Yeah, it's a tragedy. But using it to go after a president you don't like is disgusting. I used to think that there was nothing more shameful this political party could pull. But the last few months? Unbelievable. Moral majority my ass. |
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| Posted: 2/8/2013 10:49:11 PM
But, I find it so odd that the right is shitting themselves over this-an attack on an embassy in a place that sees violence and death all the time, but somehow backpedals on doing things that would likely prevent the deaths of innocent children.
What is it that can be done to prevent the deaths of innocent children that "the right" doesn't want done?
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| Posted: 2/9/2013 2:33:33 AM
I guess Benghazi has been talked to death
I think the OP is at least right about that ^^ part.
In my opinion McCain, will never drop this topic, not because "he" is so politically offended, but because it's the only way he can get in the news, other than bashing Obama's newest personnel appointment even when they are REPUBLICANS.
He has to drag the circumstances of these American's deaths up again like some sort of morbid trophy for the right wing nut cases..that does not show respect in my opinion.
Never mind the American's who have died while Bush was President or the wars he started. McCain is all "hush hush" about those facts....bet he doesn't talk much about that on Fox news next week....other than he wants the war to last even longer..
Having said all of that I feel for the families and their loss. I have lost a child I know what it feels like.
As for McCain, and other nut cases in the news, I hope they continue to act like rabid dogs over this, it only makes Hilary's chances in 2016 that much better.... |
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Kymberlee
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| Posted: 2/9/2013 6:31:57 AM
I want to reiterate the point of my OP. The point wasn't the attack itself, but the actions of our president and the rest of the people in charge during the actual attack. Our embassy was under attack and the president and SofS were not involved. From what Panetta said, he did not talk to the president from the original meeting until the next day. The shit was going down all night, and not one phone call from the president. Not one. THAT is the point of my OP. If some of you want to excuse that type of leadership then good on you, but I think it is pathetic.
I understand things happen in war. Could Benghazi have been prevented??? Maybe, maybe not. Do other embassies get attacked. Yep. Does intelligence fail? Sure it does. Again, not the point of my OP. The point was what happened during and even after the attack. From where I sit, it looks like the president was more interested in getting a little shut eye before his big Vegas fundraiser than being the leader we elected him to be.
Some of you guys see it differently, and I guess I wanted another POV which is what I got. Happy Saturday...I'm off for the day. |
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