The Sequester - How do you expect it to impact you, your family, your community?

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Posted: 2/21/2013 6:11:39 AM
SEQUESTER: A group of cuts to federal spending set to take effect March 1, barring further congressional action.

This site has information about the sequester, including where and how the spending cuts will be made.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/20/the-sequester-absolutely-everything-you-could-possibly-need-to-know-in-one-faq/

It is worth reading, if only to expand your general knowledge. Of interest might be the section on what notable programs get cut (and amounts to be cut), such as military ops, CDC, NIH, border security, airport security, head start, FEMA disaster relief, etc. Note that these are funding cuts, not elimination of programs.
A lot of money will likely be saved by eliminating jobs (federal jobs and related jobs).
Do you think that cut to airport security will mean longer lines at airports?

Since Congress doesn't reconvene until Monday, Feb 25, there are precious few days to find a better way out of this mess.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 6:17:35 AM
It will have a great impact on both my DH and myself. We both work for the federal government and if they do a furlough we will both lose a day's pay. Not to mention the fact that DH lost about $40.00 per pay because of the tax increase.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 6:19:01 AM
I work for government contractor so the impact on my employees could be huge. We actually are already seeing hours reduction on some of our programs.



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Posted: 2/21/2013 6:19:08 AM
Yes congress got a pay raise. It's frustrating.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 6:41:24 AM
Yet, Congress is in recess essentially taking vacation time and the President is playing golf with Tiger Woods. It is grossly unfair. Very sorry to those directly impacted. Again, the hurt will be inflicted on the middle and lower income class. The American people deserve so much better than they are getting.

When they passed the Hurricane Sandy relief they attached special interest pork spending to the bill. It is a circus in Washington run by a bunch of clowns on *both*'sides of the aisle.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 6:43:33 AM
Bring it on.

The president is acting like a petulant child, threatening to fire teachers and police and fire and to destroy education and lay off marines. Lets not forget that this whole thing was his idea in the first place!

Secondly, this is not NOT an actual reduction in current spending levels. It is a reduction in the GROWTH of spending. There is no reason at all for anyone to lose their jobs - well, no reasons related to sequestration that is.

I'm sorry. The President is taking us all for idiots. But some of us are smart enough to know that there are plenty of boondoggle programs in a 3 trillion dollar budget that could easily be cut to "save" a measly 85billion - without laying off police and teachers!
(Which should be a local issue anyway)

Give me a red pen and the budget and I promise you I can save us far more than $85b.

The anti GOP rhetoric coming from our campaigner in chief is something I predicted back when they enacted this thing. I knew when it came to crunch time he would make it out to be entirely the GOPs fault. He isn't disappointing.

He spent more time with Tiger Woods than he had on Capitol Hill trying to reach a deal. Or have none of you noticed? He excoriates Boehner for not working with him but he has not made himself available nor has he attempted to meet with boehner.

This is 100% about destroying the GOP. Make no mistake. Obama wants sequestration to happen so he can inflict the pain on the American people and blame his opponents. If you don't think that isnt so, you haven't paid a bit of attention to the politics or the way Obama operates.





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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:08:08 AM
And the sad part is that so many people will buy into his self-serving rhetoric; facts be damned.





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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:11:26 AM
My DH is military, we've been holding our breath for the last year or so. It's pretty unlikely that he will get involuntary separated from the Army, BUT anything is possible.

I also agree with everything lynlam had to say. This administration is full of crap.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:19:53 AM
My mom is government and so is my husband an we will lose two days a pay period. Essentially taking a 20% pay cut for 11 payperiods. We don't have that kind of
Room I. Our budget. We do have some savings and were working on ramping that up, I am hoping not to touch it, and suck it up. But I am
Not hopeful. It will be a long boring summer in our house. Gas prices and pay cuts will cut out any trips we could take including our local beach.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:23:30 AM
Thankfully I work for the VA and we are spared. But we are a large military community with many bases and it will affect all of us one way or another. Businesses, friends, everyone! But we will survive it. Many people have been bashing federal employees for being the ones who suck off the tit of the American tax payer (never mind that we also pay taxes)but those same people are bashing the pres for throwing federal employees into the mix. Like I said, EVERYONE is affected.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:27:30 AM
Just to toss out there: All administrations are full of crap. It doesn't matter who is in office, a big part of the job is to try in insure that your party stays in office, Democrats or Republicans. Politics are a rich-man's game and sadly most of us don't have the money to buy our way into the field.

Just my two cents...


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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:28:39 AM
I will essentially take a 20% pay cut, more if you take into consideration that our health insurance went up by 10% and taxes increased, so we're already dealing with about 200 dollars less per month as it is. As far as the community goes, a very large percentage of our local population is comprised of federal employees or government contractors, so the impact here could be huge.



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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:35:53 AM

Obama wants sequestration to happen so he can inflict the pain on the American people and blame his opponents.
No surprise there.

I think if they were really serious about cutting the deficit they would start by cutting pay/benefits in the upper echelons of government - president, senators, congressmen, etc. While the American people suffer, though, they'll be voting themselves raises.

I read Lee Iacoca's book on how he saved Chrysler. Everyone worked together, from the top man down to the one on the bottom rung of the ladder. They all took pay/benefit cuts; they all chipped in to make Chrysler a solvent, profitable company. Over a period of a few years, it worked.

Obama and his government aren't any more serious about cutting the deficit than they are about affordable health care. It's all smoke and mirrors.



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Posted: 2/21/2013 7:59:28 AM

The American people deserve so much better than they are getting.



The majority of the American people voted for this. I doubt this is the change they were hoping for.

My dh is a LEO, so I guess we'll have to wait and see if it affects us.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 8:08:39 AM
EVERY company that I have worked for that needed to cut spending ALWAYS started with upper management taking a pay cut first. The ones we really should be peeved at are the President, the Senators, and the Congressmen--they should be sucking this up and taking a pay CUT not be given a raise.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 8:16:02 AM
It will affect us as both my husband and I are govt employees. I'm figuring we are going to lose around $600ish per pay day and that pretty much sucks.

I also heard from a friend of mine who works on an Army base that the Army was considering doing the 22 days furlough all at once! I would imagine that won't go through because most people cannot go a month without a paycheck, and it is ridiculous to even try and make that happen.

Then a lady I work with told me this morning that she heard on the news that for the furlough, we will only be allowed to take off Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday, but not Monday or Friday. I already work a 4 10 hour day, and am off every Monday, and would not like to change my days off to the middle of the week.

This whole thing sucks and I blame both parties.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 8:25:48 AM

This whole thing sucks and I blame both parties.


Ditto that!

The one person I know that works for the federal government says she shouldn't be impact. That's only because her agency has recently had a huge amount of retirements and those openings haven't been filled.




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Posted: 2/21/2013 8:30:59 AM

He spent more time with Tiger Woods than he had on Capitol Hill trying to reach a deal.
I wonder historically how many times a sitting President has travelled to the Hill to negotiate a compromise measure.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 8:34:12 AM
We live in a military funded town. There is not a single business here that won't be affected in some way by sequestration, even if they are not military. This will be HUGE here. I'm fearful for the first time that this could cause financial ruin to many families through no wrongdoing of their own.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 8:38:18 AM
a lot of people we know have huge banks of comp time built up plus pto. They will be using that to compensate, they may not get a huge vacation , but they will be getting three day weekends.

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a lot of people we know have huge banks of comp time built up plus pto. They will be using that to compensate, they may not get a huge vacation , but they will be getting three day weekends.


You better check on this, because it is my understanding that you can not use up bank time to compensate for a furlough.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 8:54:51 AM

Obama wants sequestration to happen so he can inflict the pain on the American people and blame his opponents.



Yep, exactly. Our family will be affected by this. The kicker is, they could avert this whole thing affecting personnel if they would pass an addendum that would allow different agencies to take it from where they want to, instead of the cuts being across the board. Nope, neither congress nor the President is interested in that. Our government stinks.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 9:17:42 AM

a lot of people we know have huge banks of comp time built up plus pto. They will be using that to compensate, they may not get a huge vacation , but they will be getting three day weekends.
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You better check on this, because it is my understanding that you can not use up bank time to compensate for a furlough.

Exactly. Comp time isn't even going to count towards this; furlough is a day off without pay. Period. And like I said above, though I haven't seen it in writing, supposedly they are going to make us take our day off in the middle of the week, NOT Monday or Friday.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 9:24:27 AM
The first thing we were told when we had "the talk" about furloughs is that we would not be allowed to use leave, comp time, sick or any other paid time off to compensate and keep pay. It's all over the OPM site, too. The purpose of the furlough is to CUT costs. 16 hours per pay period. Which is going to have a HUGE impact on my small desert town. Even if you CAN afford a 20% cut in pay, there are things in a budget that are going to come out. My landscaping/gardner guy for one. Our crappy restaraunts for 2. IF this goes down, make no mistake about it. It will be a big thing for a lot of economies across the country.

We are already seeing big impacts at work. Our customers do not have funding for tests which means we have little work. Which means if this lasts much longer, our contractors will be let go. And while in theory, this would end September 30, but realistically, it take much longer to get things going in our government. There's no way it magically ends at the end of the fiscal year and life goes back to normal. Our town is going to be hit hard. And long.

ETA: As to which days it is, so far, we're being told that agencies are looking to do the days best for that agency. I don't hold much stock in the trickle down, but so far, our ""big" command is holding out hope for 16 hours a pay period to be decided locally. SO. Maybe weekeneds. I'd rather a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday than 2 hours a day or some other such BS. AND if you are on a furlough day on both sides of a holiday, that holiday isn't paid. So there's that to worry about, too.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 9:57:24 AM
I thought sequestration was the GOP's idea? Not sure how people believe that there is only one leader in Washington or that history doesn't play into this at all. Instead of placing blame, what are you doing to fix it? Complaining and trashing the politicians does nothing.

As a gov't employee it will hit me hard. But, you know what??? Something has to change. You are an idiot if you thought this would never trickle down and decide it is ONE person's fault. Look at the last 12 years of spending. Use your brain to see the history of this and NOT just blame the current administration.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 10:03:01 AM
We're doing well now. About 3 yrs. ago my husband's old employer was suffering. Pay cut, furlough Fridays, it was a mess. He was tired of it so he found a new job. It is with a foreign company, so things are going well. I know many people who had to take major pay cuts a few years ago and things are finally looking up. Haven't heard anyone complaining recently about job issues. Hope things improve for those of you suffering with pay cuts. Been there and it wasn't fun!


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Posted: 2/21/2013 10:17:19 AM

Obama wants sequestration to happen so he can inflict the pain on the American people and blame his opponents.



really? Have you said the same about Rand Paul who IRL has actually said that he'd like it to happen.

So what is it? Are you and those agreeing with you LYING or spreading falsehoods? Maybe you should change your post to.....

Rand Paul and others in the GOP wants sequestration to happen so they can inflict the pain on the American people and blame their opponents.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 3:34:41 PM
First, Steph, I don't like being called a liar. I think that was completely uncalled for! I agreed with her opinion. I would never call you a liar because I disagreed with you about something politically.

Rand Paul is a libertarian. Libertarians are for cutting the size of government. Of course he's for sequestration.

Max Baucus (Democrat Senator) was on camera yesterday saying it was Obama's idea. So he's lying too? [error_in_list] link


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Posted: 2/21/2013 3:50:07 PM
The sequester was supposedly designed to be so terrible that it would force a deal. Both sides agreed to it. Everyone is to blame.

As to how it will impact me... chances are good that I will lose my job. I work for a military supplier and it is very possible that programs we manufacture for will be cut.

Even though it will cost me my job I am all for letting the cuts happen. We have to cut somewhere and if this is what it takes to get any cuts then I am all for it.




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Posted: 2/21/2013 3:53:19 PM
I'm going to be straight up about my opinion of President Obama.

I dislike him as a politician more than anyone else in my lifetime. I think that the welfare of our country is secondary to him. I think his ultimate goal right now is to discredit the Republicans so the Democrats can regain control of the House & retain control of the Senate at the midterms so he can push through his agenda before he leaves office.

I also heartily dislike the head of the GOP (Reince Preibus) & think he's a creep too. I also think John Boehner is useless. If he had a part in coming up with sequestration, I hope he loses his seat because of it.

If you can't tell, I am a complete cynic when it comes to politics right now, and I own that. I hope the President proves me wrong, I really do. However, I see nothing in his first term that makes me doubt my opinion unfortunately.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 4:01:19 PM
Here's my problem with sequestration Mapchic. I don't mind the cuts, even though it's affecting us directly. I dislike how it's designed to be implemented. If cuts are made in such a way that weakens our already weak economy, how is that going to help us?

Hundreds of thousands of families are going to have to cut back budgets that are already tight due to high gas and food prices, which will cause them to spend less, weakening our economy.


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a lot of people we know have huge banks of comp time built up plus pto. They will be using that to compensate, they may not get a huge vacation , but they will be getting three day weekends.
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You better check on this, because it is my understanding that you can not use up bank time to compensate for a furlough.


This was my understanding as well. WITHOUT pay.

I will lose 20% in pay along with a good chunk of our community that works on the Air Force base. We've gotten emails about how to scale back our expenses: like cutting cable, land lines, movies, etc, etc.

Well, we don't have cable, a land line, or an expensive phone plan. We rarely eat out (maybe once a pay period and somewhere cheap) or go to movies. Since Christmas we haven't shopped or done anything extra. We've already cut back due to SS going back up, gas prices, and inflation. There's no where else to cut. So essentially, we're screwed.
We have a small savings account and tax refund (that was slated for a family vacation in the fall) that will now go towards helping cover our regular expenses since Congress can't pull their heads out of their asses and do their job right.

Thank you lynlam! I think you hit it right on the head!

History may have played a part in this but the current administration has done NOTHING to help the situation. They are using the middle class as pawns in their ridiculous games.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 4:05:44 PM
My DH works for the Federal Govt. and no, you cannot use comp time or vacation time for a furlough. UNPAID time off. I don't think they even allow anyone to take any vacation during that time as everyone is overworked since they are short staffed (could be different for different departments but I know we were concerned about a planned Disney trip the last time they discussed furloughs.)

Feeling a bit of deja vu...8 or 9 years ago I was layed off from my job and my hubby took a huge paycut that same month as all his OT was cut. Now he is facing a possible furlough and it is possible I might be losing my job again.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 4:10:47 PM
Is anyone familiar with a publication called "The Week"? (They are also on-line.)
I am not, but I came across this article - and thought I would throw it out there for your perusal. Anyhoo - just some additional stuff to digest.
If you are familiar with this publication, can you offer some insight about its' mission?


The article: "5 Reasons Why the GOP Might Risk the Sequester"

http://theweek.com/article/index/240395/5-reasons-why-the-gop-might-risk-the-sequester

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Posted: 2/21/2013 4:13:29 PM

Here's my problem with sequestration Mapchic. I don't mind the cuts, even though it's affecting us directly. I dislike how it's designed to be implemented. If cuts are made in such a way that weakens our already weak economy, how is that going to help us?
I agree completely. I don't like the ham fisted nature of the cuts. There is a bill being advanced to allow each department of the government to choose where the cuts would be made. So, the same percentage of cuts would happen, but they would (hopefully) be used more to cut into the fat than the muscle (as it presently does).

I too am a cynic about everyone in government at the moment. I am in a serious 'throw ALL the bums out' mode with the actions of BOTH parties of late.




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Posted: 2/21/2013 4:25:31 PM

I too am a cynic about everyone in government at the moment. I am in a serious 'throw ALL the bums out' mode with the actions of BOTH parties of late.


I couldn't agree more.


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Posted: 2/21/2013 4:33:52 PM
At this point, it shouldn't affect us very much. My husband is a contractor now, but their current contract is funded through the end of the year. He's an instructor for an essential military course, so it won't be cut. The DOD civilians he works with are facing furloughs, though .

It doesn't appear to be affecting military retirement pay. They said TRICARE may be affected, but I was in my local TRICARE office yesterday, and they didnt seem to be concerned yet.

I'm just trying to build our savings back up, to prepare for anything, and we've been living on a tight budget for a while now, so we'll continue that.









Kristen, lucky mom and proud retired Army wife!




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Posted: 2/21/2013 4:47:19 PM
Our contractors are funded through the end of the fiscal year, but can't go to work if their DoD civilian counterparts aren't there. So they will be taking a 20% cut in pay, too. Unless the contractor pays them anyway. And we won't be paying them for those days, so it's most likely going to affect them too. My whole town revolves around this base and the services and service contracts onboard. It's gonna suck b
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Posted: 2/21/2013 8:32:34 PM
I will also be getting a 20% pay cut. I've reworked our budget and will be lowering my cable package and stopping my savings temporarily. We'll be okay, but it pisses me off that I have to pay for Washington's inability to do their damn jobs.




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Posted: 2/21/2013 9:30:31 PM

really? Have you said the same about Rand Paul who IRL has actually said that he'd like it to happen.

So what is it? Are you and those agreeing with you LYING or spreading falsehoods? Maybe you should change your post to.....

Rand Paul and others in the GOP wants sequestration to happen so they can inflict the pain on the American people and blame their opponents.


If I haven't made myself clear, I agree 100% with Rand Paul. That article I linked sums up my feelings perfectly. I think the GOP is bungling this badly and playing right into Obamas hands.

Now, that being said...I know that Obama insisted upon and designed these cuts in the increase In spending levels to do exactly what he wants them to do....SCARE THE HELL OUT OF EVERYONE. With the help of his complicit media lapdogs that is. For no reason other than to turn public opinion against the GOP and drive the nail into the coffin, if you will. That has been his goal from the start. And more than half this country is falling for it.

Ask yourselves why a 44billion dollar reduction in the increase in spending levels should cause ANYONE to really lose their jobs?? The $$ that was used to pay eveyone this year is still there. It is not being cut, not one cent. So why should people have to be fired? Because THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMIN DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. They targeted these "cuts" so that it would have a direct impact on people. Not on programs that study goldfish (5.2 million in the pentagons last budget)' or other total nonsense...but on jobs. Because he knew....KNEW...he would either force the GOP to capitulate on tax increases on the rich, or he would be able to blame them for the pain if it did go through.

All because he understands that the American people have a short memory and an even shorter attention span, and with the MSM in his pocket, MOST people will never ever remember or be reminded that it was all his idea in the first place.

Mission accomplished. Idiocy and lunacy rules the day..





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Posted: 2/21/2013 9:30:32 PM

really? Have you said the same about Rand Paul who IRL has actually said that he'd like it to happen.

So what is it? Are you and those agreeing with you LYING or spreading falsehoods? Maybe you should change your post to.....

Rand Paul and others in the GOP wants sequestration to happen so they can inflict the pain on the American people and blame their opponents.


If I haven't made myself clear, I agree 100% with Rand Paul. That article I linked sums up my feelings perfectly. I think the GOP is bungling this badly and playing right into Obamas hands.

Now, that being said...I know that Obama insisted upon and designed these cuts in the increase In spending levels to do exactly what he wants them to do....SCARE THE HELL OUT OF EVERYONE. With the help of his complicit media lapdogs that is. For no reason other than to turn public opinion against the GOP and drive the nail into the coffin, if you will. That has been his goal from the start. And more than half this country is falling for it.

Ask yourselves why a 44billion dollar reduction in the increase in spending levels should cause ANYONE to really lose their jobs?? The $$ that was used to pay eveyone this year is still there. It is not being cut, not one cent. So why should people have to be fired? Because THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMIN DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. They targeted these "cuts" so that it would have a direct impact on people. Not on programs that study goldfish (5.2 million in the pentagons last budget)' or other total nonsense...but on jobs. Because he knew....KNEW...he would either force the GOP to capitulate on tax increases on the rich, or he would be able to blame them for the pain if it did go through.

All because he understands that the American people have a short memory and an even shorter attention span, and with the MSM in his pocket, MOST people will never ever remember or be reminded that it was all his idea in the first place.

Mission accomplished. Idiocy and lunacy rules the day..





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Posted: 2/21/2013 10:57:30 PM

If I haven't made myself clear, I agree 100% with Rand Paul. That article I linked sums up my feelings perfectly. I think the GOP is bungling this badly and playing right into Obamas hands.

Now, that being said...I know that Obama insisted upon and designed these cuts in the increase In spending levels to do exactly what he wants them to do....SCARE THE HELL OUT OF EVERYONE. With the help of his complicit media lapdogs that is. For no reason other than to turn public opinion against the GOP and drive the nail into the coffin, if you will. That has been his goal from the start. And more than half this country is falling for it.

Ask yourselves why a 44billion dollar reduction in the increase in spending levels should cause ANYONE to really lose their jobs?? The $$ that was used to pay eveyone this year is still there. It is not being cut, not one cent. So why should people have to be fired? Because THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMIN DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. They targeted these "cuts" so that it would have a direct impact on people. Not on programs that study goldfish (5.2 million in the pentagons last budget)' or other total nonsense...but on jobs. Because he knew....KNEW...he would either force the GOP to capitulate on tax increases on the rich, or he would be able to blame them for the pain if it did go through.

All because he understands that the American people have a short memory and an even shorter attention span, and with the MSM in his pocket, MOST people will never ever remember or be reminded that it was all his idea in the first place.

Mission accomplished. Idiocy and lunacy rules the day..


Interesting take of what you think is going on but where are your facts? I'd like to know. Really.

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Posted: 2/21/2013 11:59:10 PM
My husband isn't employed by DOE, but works at a DOE project. If they decided to shut it down one day a week, He will be able to use his comp or PTO time.


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Secondly, this is not NOT an actual reduction in current spending levels. It is a reduction in the GROWTH of spending. There is no reason at all for anyone to lose their jobs - well, no reasons related to sequestration that is.


Exactly. This is peanuts over ten years when we spend trillions in ONE year.

The current path of spending is unsustainable. If you don't believe me and think I am lying to you, you can check the CBO report that says the same exact thing. If you don't understand anything about deficits, debt, discretionary spending, mandatory spending, and prefer to think of sequestration as some sort of crisis machete evil people are wielding over you, then watch this extremely short video.

Democrats and Republicans have been saying the same stupid shit for decades trying to scare the crap out of you and embrace taking on more debt and running up the deficit while coming up with as many ways imaginable to lower your chances of prosperity. These people are not smarter than you or some special snowflakes -- THEY WORK FOR YOU.

And they have a huge spending problem which no one wants to hold them accountable for.

You want scary? In order to balance the budget right now where the inflows match the outflows, you'd have to cut every single discretionary Federal program. The EPA. The FDA. Department of Education. NASA. Every single agency. Every branch of military except MAYBE a scaled down version of the Army.

Because none of these minuscule, insignificant cuts over ten years affect mandatory spending.

But by all means, do continue with the Chicken Little conversation.

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Posted: 2/22/2013 6:13:50 AM
Chicken little is right, desert pea.

Most of this country has been totally inoculated against the facts though, so they will buy everything that Obama is saying. I feel hopeless and so ashamed of the country.

Krazy...facts never seem to mean much to you unless they come from the Daily Show. So knock yourself out and go look for yourself if you wish. I have no need to provide links because you will call them biased and lies anyway. Not trying to be snarky, just tired of being told to provide proof of my own observations beliefs and feelings.





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Posted: 2/22/2013 6:30:31 AM
We are slated to move in three weeks and there is a possibility there won't be $$$ to pay for pcsing so we may be stuck. Did I mention we already have a house at the new duty station so we would be paying rent times two?



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Posted: 2/22/2013 7:55:20 AM
No matter what way you spin it. It is the loss of one month's pay!

Four weekends in a month = 8 days.

Add in the 22 days without pay. 8 + 22 = 30 days

Can't use leave/vacation days either.

Bottom line, one day a week DH will be working from home without pay! Criminal investigations don't stop, writing reports on forensic exams don't stop, answering questions from lawyers don't stop.

Pox on both houses!


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Posted: 2/22/2013 9:01:18 AM

The Sequester - How do you expect it to impact you, your family, your community?

With my family earning its living in the defense industry, sequestration may impact our family greatly. I hoping that my husband will not be one of the ones to lose his job, but there will be job cuts at his company. This will affect not only our family, but hugely impact our community.


I thought sequestration was the GOP's idea?

Why do you think this was the GOP's idea?



Not sure how people believe that there is only one leader in Washington or that history doesn't play into this at all. Instead of placing blame, what are you doing to fix it? Complaining and trashing the politicians does nothing.

Then why are you blaming the GOP?


Use your brain to see the history of this and NOT just blame the current administration.

This is the history, and it was from the current Obama administration.

If you want to read more, Bob Woodward's "The Price of Politics" has the whole story.

This link has the relevant passages posted.

fact-checker - obamas-fanciful-claim-that-congress-proposed-the-sequester

The Pinocchio Test

No one disputes the fact that no one wanted sequestration, or that ultimately a bipartisan vote in Congress led to passage of the Budget Control Act. But the president categorically said that sequestration was "something that Congress has proposed."

Woodward's detailed account of meetings during the crisis, clearly based on interviews with key participants and contemporaneous notes, make it clear that sequestration was a proposal advanced and promoted by the White House.

In sum: Gene Sperling brought up the idea of a sequester, while Jack Lew sold Harry Reid on the idea and then decided to use the Gramm-Hollings-Rudman language (which he knew from his days of working for Tip O'Neill) as a template for sequester. The proposal was so unusual for Republicans that staffers had to work through the night to understand it.

Oddly, Lew in Tampa on Thursday, publicly asserted the opposite: "There was an insistence on the part of Republicans in Congress for there to be some automatic trigger... [It] was very much rooted in the Republican congressional insistence that there be an automatic measure at the end."

This prompted Woodward to go over his notes and interviews once again, to make sure he had gotten it right.

"After reviewing all the interviews and the extensive material I have on this issue, it looks like President Obama told a whopper," Woodward said. "Based on what Jack Lew said in Florida today, I have asked the White House to correct the record."

We had been wavering between Three and Four Pinocchios. But in light of Lew's decision to doubledown on Obama's claim, we agree it's a whopper.




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Global warming brings prosperity, population growth, and relatively good health, as disasters go, it's the one we should pray for.
What is the worst that could happen? 1. It might end. 2. The ice caps might melt entirely.
But the True Believers would have us plunge ourselves into global poverty by breaking down the great world economic system in order to prevent a "disaster" that people in 1500 would have prayed for.

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