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Making TOU that will drive people (read- potential customers) AWAY from your site seems to be poor business sense. The only sale you will never get is the one from someone who is no longer visiting your website. I love this message board, but I sure won't spend my time here if it becomes so censored that it is essentially only like an ad for Two Peas.
That is what drove me away from a digi board (and digi scrapping). I was just starting to dabble in it and getting help was like pulling teeth! I had a few people who tried to be helpful but there was always someone to direct me to the tutorial in the store. I know how to google, I do it all.the.time. My problem is the comprehension. I needed someone who could explain things in a simpler way than I was reading.
Between that, and then not being allowed to help someone looking for an item they needed PDQ that wasn't available in the store - and the person had even asked if the store owner could make it for her. The reply was basically maybe down the road but not right now. Well, she needed it now.
So anyway, I gave up trying to digi scrap and gave up on the site. And I was actually thinking of buying some of the brushes/stamps to use and print and maybe even buying some photog tutorials from the store. Why would I want to try and support a store like that??
I just couldn't get a warm fuzzy there. The good news is I connected with someone who remembered me from other sites.  I took her away with me. |
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I do wish they would treat us like hounds. Let us run on the scent of something, but trust that we WILL come back.
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stwa
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:45:17 AM
If we are allowed to talk about any product, but not where to get it, that sounds fair enough to me |
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StuckOnPeas
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If we are allowed to talk about any product, but not where to get it, that sounds fair enough to me
But I am NOT sure that is OK because......
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I realize some posts are made about product that we do not carry or currently have in stock. We ask that you still not make posts of this nature. If you are unsure if your post complies with our Terms of Use, just ask yourself if what you are wanting to share would encourage a reader to click away from Two Peas or to spend their scrapping budget elsewhere. If so, we ask that you not share it.
So if you mention a diecut machine or paper crimper or those wonderful rulers that help cut layers there is a GOOD chance someone will Google to find them and then.............
*click away from Two Peas or to spend their scrapping budget elsewhere.* |
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ramblin72
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 7:18:47 AM
i think the TOU is quite easy to follow - just imagine this is your business | |
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fruitysuet
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I think it's very sensible. It's very similar to what I am used to at the UK Scrapping site I go to (which is sponsored by various smaller retailers) although there are a couple of threads allowed to extend beyond those rules.
I have actually found the plethora of threads advertising other sites very crass and insensitive. I can't think that there are many (if any) other scrapbook sites that allow such blatant advertising of competitors.
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Leader of the Banned
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 9:14:38 AM
i think the TOU is quite easy to follow - just imagine this is your business
I have... and I can't imagine not telling people they can get a product not carried in the store elsewhere.
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grammanisi
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i think the TOU is quite easy to follow
Me, too...you can't tell anyone what you bought/use unless you bought it on here. |
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Leader of the Banned
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October 2002
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 10:23:02 AM
I disagree. The MB is a business tactic, plain and simple. |
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scoobers
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So before you talk about ANYTHING - you must go to the store, see if they carry it and if its in stock, and then make a post? This is going to be the downfall of 2Peas.
ETA: Here's a perfect example, 2PEas doesn't have a Silhouette machine in their store - so every thread about Silhouette needs to be deleted from this board. THAT is exactly what their TOU implies. They don't sell it, You cannot talk about it. This is just stupid.
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paperkraftD
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I don't think the TOU has changed recently. But I have noticed pretty harsh enforcement recently. I responded to one such post (after not participating on the boards for quite a while) and was confused when I could not later find my post where I was gushing about some Heidi Swapp stamps. I was not advocating buying them at any one particular place, just endorsing them, but all the content associated with the thread was lost because the OP was talking about the HS items being available at a location other than 2Peas.
I have to admit the tone of the TOU strictness reminds me of how PC drove customers away when they came down on the software developers.
Making TOU that will drive people (read- potential customers) AWAY from your site seems to be poor business sense. The only sale you will never get is the one from someone who is no longer visiting your website. I love this message board, but I sure won't spend my time here if it becomes so censored that it is essentially only like an ad for Two Peas.
I have to agree with this. I found out about 2Peas on the Cricut MB. When PC started going nuclear, I left permanently and now only participate in this MB. I think a gentle reminder is much more effective than a clean sweep. I respect the spirit of the TOU, but I question whether it needs to be enforced so militantly.
As an aside, I would think that 2Peas could get (and maybe does get) quite a bit of income from advertisement. I know that participation in this forum has increased my scrapbook spending across the board and has introduced me to products I didn't previously know about (like the silhouette and the Heidi Swapp color shine). With such a potential rich seam of revenue to be mined from advertisement alone, I would think 2Peas could be a little more lax in their enforcement of the TOU. |
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3kidmama
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Well, I'm not understanding applying the TOU to things like Cricut and Silhouette (Garden Girls often mention cutting things with their whatever-brand die cut machine). HOWEVER, I must admit the last few wks I've been pretty shocked at how many threads were on this board encouraging people to go buy whatever at Michaels, J, HSN, HL, and so on.
I think we love this board so much, it's easy to forget it's part of the marketing of a IRL business trying to succeed in a tough economy, NOT just a scrapping social group! When you remember that, it seems pretty outrageous to come into a store and use the internet tools 2 Peas pays for to direct people to shop elsewhere. 
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purpledaisy
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 11:18:08 AM
I will admit, I do not read the sticky threads. Honestly, I don't pay any attention to the green threads unless they wander down into the white threads. I know I've missed information because of not reading them. But that is the reality. I wouldn't have even known about that sticky without this thread. |
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Sherry C
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 11:23:57 AM
Last time I checked, the store does carry the Silhouette, mat, and blades.
This reminds me of when we had a LSS... Our LSS was next door to HL, it used to drive me bonkers when people would come to the crop and not buy from the store. They would run over to HL and bring back their "deals" and share with everyone. Not cool, in my opinion, and another reason we no longer have a local scrap store.
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Justlulu
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Scooters, there are definitely silhouette machines, mats, blades, etc in the store which is why we use it in our videos if we choose to.
I can't speak for all the girls, but we honestly do try to only use products that are or will be available here.  |
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myboysnme
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 11:43:30 AM
I agree it is now enforcement of the TOU and not a change.
I remember that we started using the initials like M, ACM,and HL to avoid mentioning the name of those stores. I'm sure people now think it is just a convenient abbreviation, but really we started doing that to avoid violating the TOU.
I think the crack down is occurring, much as it did before, because things have gotten out of hand. The crack down occurred last time when 2Peas was up for sale, and the message board is one of its biggest assets.
We have also discussed many times the fee for use idea so we can post what we want, but most peas said they would not pay to use the message board. Of course there were other message boards then to go to.
Anyway, we can find better ways of complying with the TOU and still get the word out on what we want to share. |
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Sophikins
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 11:47:54 AM
I think Two Peas has a right to set up terms of use for what they deem appropriate topics on their message board.
This is certainly true, it is their message board and they can do whatever they want with it.
But....I have always come this board as my favorite site to read and share ALL about scrapping. If they want to turn it into the equivalent of a commercial or infomercial for Two Peas that is certainly within their rights. However, will have as much interest in spending time on the TwoPeas board as I have for watching commercials during a TV show.
I guess I never (before) viewed these message boards as a TwoPeas ad, but more like the entertainment that is sponsored by Two Peas, with easy access to their shopping/store.
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 11:54:46 AM
This reminds me of when we had a LSS... Our LSS was next door to HL, it used to drive me bonkers when people would come to the crop and not buy from the store. They would run over to HL and bring back their "deals" and share with everyone. Not cool, in my opinion, and another reason we no longer have a local scrap store.
No little scrap store is going to survive well next to a large chain regardless of someone doing what you stated above.
I was the first person to post about the Thickers available at a certain 'name brands for less' store. I don't even use Thickers! But so much talk about them by other people I couldn't help but do a 'good deed' and share that with the Thickers lovers. For all I knew, they were the older product that's why they were there. *shrug*
And seriously - $5 - $6 for a package of letter stickers that you can't make a whole lot of titles out of?  I realize this has much to do with MSRP - and those manufactureres are nuts. The markup on a lot of supplies has got to be huge. |
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MeMovieGal
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 12:12:30 PM
In theory I totally agree with the TOU, and understand. I too think that if the are a good store with a wide selection of products and good prices they should not worry about competition. I would gladly shop here exclusively if I could get the products I want. I am a very loyal customer in all of my other shopping habits if you treat me well and have the product I need I will shop with you. I don't shop "sales" specifically. In fact if we go shopping for a new car and friends ask "did you get a good deal?" we answer "why yes, we asked them to add 10% to the cost of the vehicle and then we bought it." It is not a deal I am looking for it is the EXACT product I want. I have made one small purchase on hear because I found EXATLY what I wanted, but unfortunately most of the types of products on here are not they "style" I am looking for.
I love the site, I will not ask where to get anything in the future, I will not post about good deals or where to find something, I will not start a thread about items not carried here, but I will respond to other threads that do.
And if this is a crackdown, I am still not seeing the removal of threads en mass???? I may not like their rule much, but if they are going to have it they should enforce it.
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myboysnme
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 12:33:06 PM
I was the first person to post about the Thickers available at a certain 'name brands for less' store.
Haha! I went to 2 of these places looking for Thickers and didn't find any I was glad for that tip, but my stores were downers. |
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melanell
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 12:44:27 PM
I realize some posts are made about product that we do not carry or currently have in stock. We ask that you still not make posts of this nature.
Well they just made all the folks ticked off about the plethora of PL posts really happy, right? After all, 2 Peas doesn't carry any PL products at all.
But seriously, say we're all in major CHA mode. We have no idea which products will eventually wind up at 2 Peas, since none of the products are anywhere when the sneak peaks start coming out. Are we supposed to not talk about any new products until we see that 2 Peas actually has them in stock?
I have no issues refraining from chatting about sales at A.C.M. or deals at Joann's, or coupons at M's, but to say don't talk about any scrapbook supply that we don't currently have in stock does seem a little tricky to me.
How about threads about old lines that we loved? We have those pretty frequently. You can't buy Scenic Route or BG Lollipop Shoppe at 2Peas anymore....or any other scrap store, either. *But* it might encourage someone to click over to ebay to see if they have any floating around, kwim?
I totally get and agree with every example listed in that post about products and where they can be found. But the part quoted here is the part that trips me up a bit. |
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mamaof8
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 12:46:16 PM
I can understand completely the TOU and I was a violator without even realizing before the latest warning.  I have thought about this whole thing for a couple of days. I am a small business owner myself, and I would only say that if a product isn't available here for sale, then who cares if someone mentions where they got it? Blatant "Go down to xyz to buy these blah blah blahs for cheaper than 2Ps" would obviously NOT be cool - I get that. But if you don't even carry the product, why would you care if people went somewhere else to get it? I have personally gone to my LSS, found a line I wanted and waited to come home, and order it from 2Ps because I felt the prices were better on much or all of it! If the prices are competitive and the service is good (and both are here IMO), then people are going to buy here. If they go and buy a $1.49 package of older retired Thickers somewhere else, or something not stocked here, then who cares? Maybe they go to the xyz store, buy those Thickers and then get hooked. You can bet they will be looking for them here to see the latest and greatest and a sale for 2Ps is inevitable. I will happily comply with the TOU (now that I know better) but I have to say, IMO it's kind of cutting off one's nose despite their face. I don't think there's any fear of losing customers or sales - this site is amazing and the quality and selection of scrapping supplies is fantastic!  | |
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StuckOnPeas
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 12:59:03 PM
Did anyone notice that the sticky was only put on this forum? Not on the digital or stamping forum. So if you want to talk about those things I guess you are safe there. (Just kidding of course)
Guess it would not apply to the NSBR forum but there is a lot of talk there about ALL kinds of stores and deals. I am sure some of the readers are scrappers and their scrap budget could get blown buying lipstick, polish, bridesmaids dresses aned cookies 
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scoobers
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 1:06:04 PM
I realize some posts are made about product that we do not carry or currently have in stock. We ask that you still not make posts of this nature.
This means that you cannot talk about any new product revealed at CHA. They dont carry it, nor can they have it in stock if it was just revealed.
Scooters, there are definitely silhouette machines, mats, blades, etc in the store which is why we use it in our videos if we choose to.
JustLulu - I looked before I made my post - there are NO Silhouette's in stock. See the first quote above - we are not allowed to talk about it.
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desflo
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 1:14:58 PM
I agree. It's very confusing. While I understand not wanting blatant posts about items they do sale being on discount at other sites/places, I'm not sure I follow the "don't post anything that would cause you to click away from this site" part.
I posted about my trip to Ikea the other day. I'm only going there to buy furniture to store all the stuff I've bought here! How can that be a bad thing?
Does this mean everyone will have to remove the blog links in their siggy's? Does this mean Shimelle was in the wrong for directing peas to her site for the BoBW kit? Or scrappyjedi when she listed the link to Marcy Penner's blog for the PL planner pages. This just doesn't make any sense.
I really think it should be thought over. I don't solely shop at 2 Peas, but 90% of what I buy comes from here. I've always thought it was great how 2 Peas was a freer board. That they didn't handslap or delete boards. I can understand where they are trying to come from, but this angle just seems and feels like the wrong one. Too many questions and grey areas.
On the other hand I also agree with some posters that it has gotten a bit out of hand with Peas posting many boards regarding sales at other stores.
I don't know what the solution is. Unless someone was constantly policing the boards I'm not sure how you would keep it fair and consistent. Plus do we/they really want that?
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sassiescrapper
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 1:24:26 PM
I'm fine with the TOU. I actually buy most of my scrappy supplies from 2peas ever since several of my LSSs closed.  I don't want 2peas shutting down or charging for their services. 
JustLulu - I looked before I made my post - there are NO Silhouette's in stock. See the first quote above - we are not allowed to talk about it.
Just FYI, several of the Silhouettes actually are in stock here And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the spirit of the TOU is that if 2peas carries the item (whether in stock or not), we're ok. |
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futuredoc
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 1:30:05 PM
When I look, the page loads and the Silhouette machines appear as out of stock. If I refresh, suddenly they're in stock. Weird!
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Leader of the Banned
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 1:36:15 PM
You know what else?
It really puts a dent in sharing our excitement over our purchases. 
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mebarnet
I am not the Pea you are looking for
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 1:36:58 PM
I understand it to a point and agree with it to a point.
I am going to give this example only because I just returned from a 4 day crop with a CM consultant.
A LOT of people used to and still do complain about some CMC's and the CM company in general because throughout the years, some have had the reputation of being CM and only CM and this has ticked off a lot of people and driven customers away.
The CMC who just did my crop was so happy I brought my Silhouette even through they have the Cricut for sale and thought nothing of the fact that the only materials I brought with me were my SG kits for the past 14 months.
Why, because she knows without a doubt that I will only buy and use CM albums and pages and the paper cutters. Whether I am purchasing her paper or not, I am still making pages that have to go somewhere which is in CM albums which I will buy from her.
I obviously understand that they do not want people to mention products they have for sale here that you can get elsewhere but if something is out here, what is wrong with getting it from someplace else? If nothing else, they can read the threads posted regarding certain products to gauge interest and maybe do something like increase their order to meet demand???
Not being able to talk about products other companies carry that they do not is just downright silly IMO. |
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futuredoc
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 1:49:41 PM
During the time I lurked here, the posts about other stores got a little overwhelming sometimes, as they have recently. But it's something that ebbs and flows, not a constant.
I do think that perhaps many peas were frustrated by the new loyalty program and then the problems with the new loyalty program, and that may have contributed to the rise in these kinds of posts.
Then, as others have mentioned, when Two Peas didn't get the AT, Dear Lizzy or Maggie Holmes lines until after many other stores had received them, people wanted to know where to get them and posted about it. While it wasn't Two Peas' fault they didn't get them first, it probably didn't help matters that some of the places that had it earlier were selling the stuff from those lines at discounted prices PLUS reasonable shipping prices. And, perhaps if Two Peas had posted an ETA list for new lines (like several peas asked for repeatedly over the course of several weeks), there wouldn't have been the "where is it? Why don't you have it? Where can I go get it?" frenzy that there was here over those lines and where to get them.
I don't really care whether we can mention other stores. It won't change my shopping habits. I do think that maybe Two Peas should look into what they can do to avoid driving customers/potential customers to other stores and keep customers happy, in addition to enforcing their TOU. |
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ScrappinMommy84
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 1:58:58 PM
Is it bad that every time I see a thread where someone might be violating the TOU I want to reply and say, "OOOHHH! You're not supposed to post that! I'm telling on you!" |
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PennyPaws
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Just saw this... I agree with not posting ads/sales for other stores/websites for things the Two Peas carries... No problem at all with that... But the bit about not talking about products they don't carry - not out of stock, but that they outright don't carry?
They don't carry the line of digi stamps that I've been buying recently... If they did I'd buy them here (and get a loyalty point), but they don't have that line and don't have anything similar... So I can't talk about what I like and use (meaning Two Peas can't hear what the Peas are into and start selling us that stuff), and I can't upload my projects to the gallery - the artist requests that she be identified if you post/publish a project with her images and that is fair IMO...
They don't sell the paintbrushes I use, the fabrics or thread, the sewing machines, they don't sell photo prints or books... The loyalty program made me reevaluate where I shop and prompted me to search out and comparison shop... Now MBs and the gallery will be different as a result of the TOU, and I am anticipating that I'll get less out of it because I can't hear or see as many ideas... So they've effectively made it that the only reason I come here is to watch the free videos/lessons... I'm not sure that's what their intentions were...
If the videos stop linking to their Pinterest mood boards, blogs, etc, that will probably be the end for me... I most of all like seeing how they get their inspiration and put it into a page...
I might be in the absolute minority, but I'd rather pay a $25/year membership fee and be able to watch all the videos, and talk to you all about anything... Have no problem paying for value, and with the tips and tricks I've learnt on here I've saved at least that much... The more money saved, the more I have to spend, (and despite my point total LOL), I am a loyal shopper and buy where I get the best value... If this place became my go-to place, I'd end up buying stuff here...
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| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:18:05 PM
I really think the TOU sticky came about when everyone was waiting on the amy tan, maggie holmes and dear lizzy line. Some peas were having people inbox them so that they could tell others where to buy it somewhere else. All of that revenue that twopeas is counting on and showed you via their cha event is gone because we couldn't wait a few more days. If this community didn't exist, we wouldn't be able to have someone tell us to go shop at another store.
The situation was like having a wal-mart executive poaching customers at a target to go shop at their store. That is against their policy to allow that too.
With that said, I think they will be a little lenient about shopping for things that you can't get here or manufacturers sales, photo printing, ect. |
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RnKMom
Prima 'n' Stickles Pea
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April 2003
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Loc: Southern California
| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:21:19 PM
Blatant "Go down to xyz to buy these blah blah blahs for cheaper than 2Ps" would obviously NOT be cool - I get that. But if you don't even carry the product, why would you care if people went somewhere else to get it?
BINGO! This hits the nail on the head.
It really puts a dent in sharing our excitement over our purchases. I can't tell you what I picked up at the girlname store.
Exactly! It's fun to simply share in someone's excitement even when you don't particularly like the items in question and wouldn't have bought them for yourself. So now instead of "M's" or "J's" we're reduced to the "boy/girl name store"?
As a longtime Pea, I'm saddened by what's been happening lately. First, the change to stark white that literally hurts some people's eyes to the point that they left. Then, the hullaballoo about the points being earned, and the removal of thousands of points. Now this. What's next?
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PennyPaws
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April 2012
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Loc: Canada
| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:24:28 PM
I can't tell you what I picked up at the girlname store.
Yes, and I can't tell you what my mom came across at the boy-name store, for my "_____" album, that is extra perfect now because just last week a 'blank' (rhymes with 'mole') of 'clean-eye' arrived in the mail that I ordered off 'Every Thing's Super, Ya'know'... Wish I could post it in the Gallery to show you but it's got what the TOU identifies as bad words all over it |
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journey fan
"Rome! By all means, Rome."
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April 2007
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Loc: California Coast
| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:29:31 PM
I think when a horse has been out of the barn for this long, it's kind of crazy to try and wrangle it back in. It just pisses the horse off and he's gonna' shop and hang out somewhere else. |
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PennyPaws
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PeaNut 551,978
April 2012
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Loc: Canada
| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:36:02 PM
I really think the TOU sticky came about when everyone was waiting on the amy tan, maggie holmes and dear lizzy line. Some peas were having people inbox them so that they could tell others where to buy it somewhere else. All of that revenue that twopeas is counting on and showed you via their cha event is gone because we couldn't wait a few more days.
I agree with your post, but about this part - why couldn't they give an ETA so people could know/be reassured that they would be carrying those products and when they'd be available? Think that was part of the problem too...
I'm a slow scrapper so I wouldn't have needed it right away, but as an International customer I have to plan my purchases... I can only make so many orders - making a second order a week later costs so much extra in shipping that it's not worth it or one or two things... Lots of times I won't have my ideal paper/product because it just works out too expensive to order just that... At the same time, if I order more than a certain dollar amount I have to pay duties... So it's a balancing thing... If I find a place that has what I want, and the Tetris-like experience of figuring out costs and product amounts and shipping and coupon codes and duties all works out, then I buy... If I wait for one product to be available, the other ten products might be out of stock and what I had planned for my project won't work, and I end up ordering nothing... Long explanation, just wanted to say that it's not necessarily impatience - sometimes it's just the juggle of trying to get a worthwhile order together... |
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devildog
Be gentle; I'm a delicate little flower
PeaNut 172,765
October 2004
Posts: 11,468
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Loc: Why do you wanna know?
| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:36:47 PM
Yes, and I can't tell you what my mom came across at the boy-name store, for my "_____" album, that is extra perfect now because just last week a 'blank' (rhymes with 'mole') of 'clean-eye' arrived in the mail that I ordered off 'Every Thing's Super, Ya'know'...
OMG, LOL.
Well, not really, because I've never been good at riddles/puzzles. This is gonna be tough. |
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FYI--That avatar is NOT me; it's NOT my DH; it's NOT my father; and, I'm NOT related to him by blood or marriage. It's just a dude...wearing a Wal-Mart bag.
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crimsoncat05
PeaFixture
PeaNut 273,602
August 2006
Posts: 3,295
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ area
| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:44:01 PM
I have always come this board as my favorite site to read and share ALL about scrapping. If they want to turn it into the equivalent of a commercial or infomercial for Two Peas that is certainly within their rights. However, will have as much interest in spending time on the TwoPeas board as I have for watching commercials during a TV show.
I guess I never (before) viewed these message boards as a TwoPeas ad, but more like the entertainment that is sponsored by Two Peas, with easy access to their shopping/store.
^^^^^ this, exactly. I do agree, some of it lately has been getting out of hand, what with the discussion of Heidi Swapp products and Thickers, but to some extent, that HAS been because 2Peas doesn't have certain things in stock. I DO have 'request and notify' selected for a number of products in the store, but I won't wait forever for them to show up, you know??
And technically, the thread I just answered earlier about CK magazine is against the TOU, too... along with all the SC kit threads, and the Citrus Twixt threads, and the Scrapbook Generation threads, etc. etc. etc. It would be a pretty boring discussion board if we're not allowed to have, you know, discussions!!
I think strict enforcement of the TOU would seriously curttail all the discussion about scrapbook page design, content, etc. as well... I'm gathering that I can't ask a design-related question about a page, or post it in the gallery, if it contains products that 2Peas doesn't sell?? (maybe the TOU doesn't really mean that, but you can see how someone would be confused by what they can, and cannot share, then, right??)
(And Pennypaws, I sooo wish I could figure out what you're trying to post about-- I got most of it, but my rhyming skills are just not that good, lol!!)
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Leader of the Banned
PeaNut 52,171
October 2002
Posts: 17,509
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Loc: Froogville
| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:52:22 PM
PennyPaws - you lost me after boystore. But I'm not all up on the trends, so maybe that doesn't help? I'd tell you to peamail me but apparently that is also against the TOU. |
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Leader of the Banned
PeaNut 52,171
October 2002
Posts: 17,509
Layouts: 105
Loc: Froogville
| Posted: 3/3/2013 2:53:52 PM
Yes, and I can't tell you what my mom came across at the boy-name store, for my "_____" album, that is extra perfect now because just last week a 'blank' (rhymes with 'mole') of 'clean-eye' arrived in the mail that I ordered off 'Every Thing's Super, Ya'know'...
oh oh!! I got part of it!
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clee321
It is always easier to edit than it is to create
PeaNut 161,211
August 2004
Posts: 9,347
Layouts: 10
Loc: Land of Mold and Pollen
| Posted: 3/3/2013 3:01:36 PM
omygosh, did I read that right?
I use many "old" papers and things in the toilet paper albums I am working on (mostly because I started on that project 2 years ago). Did I read that I shouldn't post them in the gallery because the parts I used aren't for sale here at 2Ps?
I just recently started posting in the Gallery, so that won't be a big change for me. I am asking more for clarity because I am a rule follower and really just want to stay within whatever is allowed.
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devildog
Be gentle; I'm a delicate little flower
PeaNut 172,765
October 2004
Posts: 11,468
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Loc: Why do you wanna know?
| Posted: 3/3/2013 3:04:35 PM
Did I read that I shouldn't post them in the gallery because the parts I used aren't for sale here at 2Ps?
I think you're right; not only do they not sell toilet paper, I don't think you can even say toilet paper.
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FYI--That avatar is NOT me; it's NOT my DH; it's NOT my father; and, I'm NOT related to him by blood or marriage. It's just a dude...wearing a Wal-Mart bag.
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clee321
It is always easier to edit than it is to create
PeaNut 161,211
August 2004
Posts: 9,347
Layouts: 10
Loc: Land of Mold and Pollen
| Posted: 3/3/2013 3:06:24 PM
I'm a rebel though, and took one for the team
 I am in a very crabby mood and you totally made me laugh! THANK YOU!!! |
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Leader of the Banned
PeaNut 52,171
October 2002
Posts: 17,509
Layouts: 105
Loc: Froogville
| Posted: 3/3/2013 3:08:35 PM
'Every Thing's Super, Ya'know'..
I'd like to buy a vowel, Vanna....
I still can't figure this one out. |
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Leader of the Banned
PeaNut 52,171
October 2002
Posts: 17,509
Layouts: 105
Loc: Froogville
| Posted: 3/3/2013 3:13:34 PM
hmmm.... no more posts about the second workday before noon store.
Not that I've seen a lot of those but I just remembered reading about one recently on a different site. |
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hilsmom
Professional Hobbyist
PeaNut 292,577
January 2007
Posts: 5,245
Layouts: 50
Loc: In the deep-fried south.
| Posted: 3/3/2013 3:25:45 PM
Just to be sure there is no confusion... the "Big Three" will now be known as The Boy Store, The Girl Store, and the Entryway? |
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Leader of the Banned
PeaNut 52,171
October 2002
Posts: 17,509
Layouts: 105
Loc: Froogville
| Posted: 3/3/2013 3:27:25 PM
I'm not familiar with .... OHHHHH!!! I got it. |
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Leader of the Banned
PeaNut 52,171
October 2002
Posts: 17,509
Layouts: 105
Loc: Froogville
| Posted: 3/3/2013 3:29:29 PM
So... a post might start off something like.... I was cleaning out the entryway and you wouldn't believe what I found hidden under the rug... |
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