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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:10:29 PM
I had my hysterectomy over a year ago. Since then I've had bladder issues DAILY. I never had them before the surgery. From everything I've read before I decided to get this surgery, the recovery time was supposed to be better, and there were little risks. OF COURSE I know there are risks with every surgery, but had I known I'd go through this, I wouldn't have opted for the daVinci.

I thought it was coincidential that my bladder problems began right after my surgery, and low and behold I just saw a tv commercial with information about people who have been injured during the daVinci surgery!! I'm MAD that it wasn't explained more to me so that I'd carefully choose which type of surgery I should get. So, for those who are considering this type of surgery. take a LOT of time to go over the facts and then know that it's not as great as its portrayed to be.

For all of those interested in knowing if they have a case against either the doctor, hospital or type of robotic surgery, contact www.BadRobotSurgery.com.









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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:15:22 PM
Robot surgery? I'll have to read up on that. How awful. Are you joining the lawsuit?


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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:26:30 PM
How skilled was your surgeon with the DaVinci? How many surgeries has he performed with it?

I'm sorry you're having issues, but the problem is not the tool unless there was some sort of malfunction with the machine during the procedure. My aunt had issues with her bladder following a hysterectomy (used a catheter for many months before have another surgery to correct the problem) and her surgery was NOT with the DaVinci.

The DaVinci is a tool which requires a surgeon to spend hours and hours of training. With the proper training, the DaVinci is a fantastic tool that shortens the healing process, is less invasive (smaller incisions) and can be more precise than the surgeons hand.

I had bariatric surgery with the daVinci and specifically chose a surgeon who was very well skilled with the machine and had many, many surgeries under his belt prior to using it on me. In fact, I asked my surgeon how many surgeries he had performed and how many he had performed with the DaVinci.

The daVinci is an amazing tool-- when used by a well trained professional.



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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:38:22 PM
I had a hysterectomy via the Davinci last July and two week later I was in Bourbon Steet with a group of friend having a great time ,I am sorry your did not go well but mine was a great experience .


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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:39:14 PM
I'd have to agree, it's not the tool--it's the operator.

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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:39:41 PM
Sabrina: I agree, and both DH and I have felt latetly like our doctors here just want to up their #s, so they urge patients to rush for these surgeries. Granted, I needed a hysterectomy b/c of fibroids, but I might have opted for the traditional surgery or I would have chosen a surgeon with MUCH more experience. She gave her her stats and they seemed like a lot of surgeries she did with the daVinci (weekly!!!), but I should have done more research on her.

All I know is that I shouldn't be in pain daily b/c of the surgery, and from now on, DH and I are saying "NO!" to all future procedures and surgeries (and meds) that they're encouraging (really PUSHING!)us to do lately, and then do tons more research before making a decision.









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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:44:53 PM
Just to add: I think that the advertising for the daVinci should show more realistic outcomes. I know of MANY, MANY people suffering as a result of this surgery, whether it be from an inexperienced surgeon, a "bad" hospital, or what have you. Mabel--your scenario is ALL that I heard about it, so I opted to get it done.

I also think there need to be guidelines of what to ask your surgeon about their stats before getting it done. If they're doing TONS of these surgeries, maybe it's not a good thing! I should have checked for malpractice suits against her re this type of surgery, etc....... I didn't.

As I said, they PUSH these surgical procedures here. DH was just scheduled to get another cardio-conversion this week, until I ran it by my Uncle (a great doctor in CA), who urged me not to let him get it done again. DH's doctor didn't give him the stats on anything, just brought us to the receptionist to book it. I had to jump thru hoops to cancel it after that!!! I know......... time for new doctors!









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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:46:51 PM
I had a bladder injury with my hysterectomy, but mine was a traditional abdominal hysterectomy. My bladder and uterus were attached to each other due to scar tissue, so my injury would most likely have occured with any method.

That said, when I was spending a lot of time on hystersisters with other women with bladder issues, I was amazed at the number of serious injuries from a Davinci hysterectomy. Many of these injuries were cut ureters.

BB, I hope you can get to the root of your bladder issues.

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Posted: 3/6/2013 5:49:44 PM
Thank you, Donna. Something just didn't sit right with me in that I KNEW this was a result from the surgery. My bladder was 100% FINE before surgery. I know there's a chance of a mistake, and I think that's what happened here. I just wanted to warn women (both here and on hystersisters) about the possible outcome, because I didn't read about this before my surgery!

So, women need new guidelines, as to what to look for in a surgeon before choosing robotic surgery. I wish I knew what they were!









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I had a laproscopic hysterectomy in November. Bladder issues are common after a hysterectomy. I'm sorry you're dealing with that. I know it's personal, but what issues are you having? You don't have to answer. I'm just curious because I had an issue with leakage for awhile after mine. I got on hystersisters and someone had posted that their doctor suggested leaning foward, basically resting your torso on your legs, while urinating. It somehow helps things line up/go back into place. It worked for me. Sometimes it's just a part of the healing process. I hope that's the case for you too. A lot of women at hystersisters have said that it took over a year for them to feel 'normal' again. Hopefully that's the case for you too. Definitely check out hystersisters. They might even have suggestions on how to cope with your specific issues.


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Posted: 3/6/2013 6:26:12 PM
Jen: Thanks. I've been a member at hystersisters for well over a year now. I'd LOVE an end-date where I'd feel better!! I've had what felt like UTI pain since the surgery. I got antibiotics for at least 5 UTIs but never got retested to see that I was on the proper Rx. When the pain didn't go away, and a detailed culture didn't show a UTI and my gynecologist finally urged me to go to a urologist. I went thru testing, only to find that I most likely have IC. I have constant pain, cramping, urge to urinate constantly (but it doesn't produce much outflow), etc......... It's really interfered with my life and led to so many other medical issues. I've tried a heating pad, some tylenol, etc., and nothing seems to help. I'm journaling my food, etc., now for my gynecologist, assuming it's IC. Makes your head spin. I'm only married for 2 years and it's a real interference!!









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Posted: 3/6/2013 6:41:53 PM
My aunt also had bladder issues after her hysterectomy.
She ended up needing a mesh sling, I think. My Mom (an RN) told her it wasn't that uncommon for this to happen.

I hope you're 100% soon!


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Posted: 3/6/2013 7:25:47 PM


I had unofficially dubbed 2013 as The Year I Shall Finally Have a Hysterectomy, but the more I hear about it the more I may decide to keep my organ. Seriously. Bladder issues? Dryness? Mood swings? I don't dare go to the HysterSisters site.


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Posted: 3/6/2013 7:58:35 PM
Sabrina: Yikes. I've heard horrors about the mesh sling too. I'm wondering WHY all the bladder issues after surgery. Just makes you wonder...............

Childof: RESEARCH IT THOROUGHLY!!! I had to get mine done b/c my uterus was entirely full of fibroids and they began going outside of my uterus, which could be dangerous, otherwise I never would have opted for it, especially being so close to menopause (maybe?? possibly????? I'm 52 and still waiting!!!). Anyway, I only have bad pain; no dryness; no loss of libido (maybe it's b/c I'm still a 'newlywed'??). I had those "crime scene" periods and some pain, but I'm tellin' ya, this is WORSE!!! Imagine having a UTI daily? That's how I feel. Sucks!! And I have hot flashes (well, I sweat and then I'm freezing, 24/7) which I didn't have pre-surgery. Ooh and I now have insomnia, despite my Ambien nightly. My doctor's solution was to just add Lorazapam if I wake up. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! Anyway, THINK ABOUT IT!! I'd only get it done if I had to! HTH. Definitely check out hystersisters and do some reading, and then read even more on the internet!









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Posted: 3/6/2013 7:59:47 PM
Had to add 1 more thing: I lost my appetite after surgery; lost 30 lbs and I lost my love for red wine or any alcohol. It's weird!!! Ooh and my sense of smell is still heightened, 1 year later. WTF?









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Posted: 3/6/2013 8:09:23 PM
Unless you HRT, you can have loss of elasticity and hypertrophy of the vagina. Estrogen also helps maintain a healthy urinary tract. Do you take HRT? I had an abdomimal hyster 7 years ago and after a 6 week recovery, I have not had a single problem. I do love my estradiol, though.

Also, you are a bit of a medical drama mama. I hope you find some resolution.

Have you tried Azo for relief of the symptoms of "UTI"?


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Posted: 3/6/2013 8:21:44 PM
I had this procedure along with a bladder surgery, and two other procedures the same day. I have had bladder issues / but I did prior to the surgery / rumors issues so mine are unrelated. I've had the specialist that performed my hysterical t via da Vinci for years, he has great experience and skill. I agree surgery outcome depends on the skill/knowledge of the surgeon and the health/body of the individual - we all heal different.


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Posted: 3/6/2013 8:36:08 PM
I had a hysterectomy last summer and have not had any problems. (Knock on wood.) I recall signing paperwork acknowledging the risks involved with the surgery using the DaVinci robot. I certainly hope you find relief soon.


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Posted: 3/6/2013 8:51:59 PM
I had a hysto done doing using the DaVinci method and I had absolutely no problems whatsoever. My recovery was very fast and I've had no problems.t

You have a big problem being dramatic about anything that has to do with your health. Warning people off of a new method of surgery because
it "gave you bladder problems" is very irresponsible and ridiculous.

ETA: So now a hysterectomy gave you IC? What?

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Posted: 3/6/2013 8:54:15 PM

Just to add: I think that the advertising for the daVinci should show more realistic outcomes. I know of MANY, MANY people suffering as a result of this surgery, whether it be from an inexperienced surgeon, a "bad" hospital, or what have you. Mabel--your scenario is ALL that I heard about it, so I opted to get it done.


MANY, MANY? What a drama queen you are.

Oh and we know you had a hysterectomy a year ago. You mention it EVERY SINGLE time you post here.

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Posted: 3/6/2013 8:55:42 PM
Did you have a catheter during your surgery? If so it is much more likely that the UTI or bladder problems you've been experiencing are a result of the catheter than then the robot.







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Posted: 3/6/2013 9:00:54 PM

OF COURSE I know there are risks with every surgery, but had I known I'd go through this, I wouldn't have opted for the daVinci.


Every.single.surgery.has.consequences.

Weight loss advertisements *always* show a person with the most weight lost. AND there is usually a statement that states that the results may vary for each person.


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Posted: 3/6/2013 9:32:58 PM
I thought I had IC before my hysterectomy, but after seeing a urologist they said it was more then likely being caused by my endometriosis and fibroids.

I started taking cranberry pills daily. I was tired of feeling like I had a constant UTI and thought I would give it a try. I haven't had those UTI symptoms since I started taking the cranberry capsules. They are a bit expensive, but worth it to me. I take two capsules daily.

Since I had my hysterectomy I've thought about not taking the cranberry pills, but I'm kind of afraid to at this point.


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Posted: 3/6/2013 9:40:44 PM
I would love to hear what Melissa has to say about this.


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Posted: 3/6/2013 9:44:34 PM

I would love to hear what Melissa has to say about this.


Me too.

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Posted: 3/6/2013 10:34:45 PM
huh-- I'm very sorry you're having problems as a result of your surgery. I had mine done that way, and had no problems whatsoever.

One of my fibroids was actually anterior to my vagina, kind of 'in between' my vagina and my bladder- pressing on the bladder, actually, and my surgeon knew he would have to be extremely careful with that entire area. He had a urologist on standby during the procedure, and they even did an extra test before closing me back up to make sure nothing went wrong with my urinary tract. (I don't remember the name of the test, but I know it involved injecting dye into the ureters to ensure they weren't nicked at all.)

And, in a twist of fate (a good one, it turns out), I ended up needing a second DaVinci surgery a month later to remove my ovaries- second surgeon, second hospital- because they found what the pathology testing showed to be a malignant tumor on one of my ovaries. (stage 1 cancer, no chemo, >90% survival rate- yay!) Again, the surgery went smoothly, and I had a slow but uneventful recovery.

I'm extremely happy with how both of my surgeries turned out, and the decision to have them done when I did could very well have saved my life. I haven't felt this good in a long time, and I hadn't realized how the fibroids (and possibly the ovarian tumor) were negatively affecting my health.

While I agree in a general sense with 'some procedures get pushed' and 'some doctors seem to do a lot of procedures in a 'drive-thru' sort of fashion, I don't think it's fair to blame the procedure itself...



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Posted: 3/6/2013 10:46:14 PM
another thing to consider is the medications you take, or don't take.

I believe you said previously that you take cholesterol medication... some of those medications CAN CAUSE INSOMNIA as a side effect- have you looked into that? I had to switch my cholesterol medication due to this issue. Haven't had an insomnia problem since I stopped taking that cholesterol medication.

HRT should help with some of the menopause symptoms, should it not? I can't take hormones because I previously had a stroke, but I DO take Estroven (a soy-based supplement) at the recommendation of my oncologist, and I haven't had a hot flash since about a week after I started taking it.

It does sound like you would do well to cultivate a more effective method of communication between you and your doctor-- yes, things CAN go wrong- every procedure has risks- but it's also our job as patients to educate ourselves and be our own advocates, making sure our doctors know everything about our history, medications, etc. that they need to know in order to help us patients in the best way possible.






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Posted: 3/7/2013 4:28:04 AM
I had the robotic surgery and felt good enough to go back to work the next day (went back 2 weeks later per doctor's orders) - I never had any problems but I found out later that my surgeon is considered one of the best in the US in that type of surgery

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Posted: 3/7/2013 5:31:40 AM
childofthe60s, even with the bladder issues after my surgery, I am very happy that I had the hysterectomy. I had a bladder sling and had to have it removed about 9 months later. My body does not like that mesh at all!!

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I had a Da Vinci Technique Hysterectomy done on 1/2/2012 at the age of 48 at Overlook Hospital in New Jersey, by a surgeon who pioneered it's use in women for hysterectomy. Prior to that, it was only used in Prostate surgery. My surgeon only performs this technique and is highly qualified and well known for it. Post op complications can happen to anyone,with any surgery (infections, perforations, excessive bleeding) but in the most skilled hands they are minimal, depending on the the individual woman's risks, disease state. After a long battle with Infertility and losing my baby girl at 3 months pregnancy,and life long severe periods and severe bloating/pain/bowel issues I finally gave up and had the surgery done. It has CHANGED MY LIFE. I know every woman is different, and I feel terrible for what the original poster had gone through. When I came out of the OR, I found out that the surgery also saved my life...they found a huge benign tumor on my kidney and another one growing in my right Fallopian tube, both that were NOT seen on the pre op MRI. If they burst I could have bled to death. As far as post op urinary bladder complications, it is more commmon in women who have had their cervix removed. I am fortunate I got to keep my ovaries and my cervix. many woman after removing their cervix (via either the old hysterectomy surgeries or the Da Vinci Technique), will have bladder issues eventually as they grow older.
I hope I can help someone out with my experiemce. Do your research carefully, however. God Bless.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 7:51:04 AM
I am still a little confused at how a robot can cause Interstitial Cystitis?


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I had the DaVinci with my hysterectomy, with a surgeon with tons of experience using it (was among the first in the Atlanta area to train with it.) I haven't had any bladder issues, or other complications from my hysterectomy (in May '12).

BUT... I still would not choose the DaVinci again. I would go the laproscopic vaginal hysterectomy route. Recovery time is about the same (short for some, longer for others, just like with the DaVinci... mine was 8 weeks, which is on the long side no matter what, but that's just how I am, apparently) and it costs much less.

But my main reason for not liking the DaVinci hysterectomy is because the incisions (there are 4-5 little ones) were placed in such a way as to make it extremely uncomfortable to wear pants for a few months after surgery. If I'd had the laproscopic surgery, that wouldn't have been an issue. And I don't like seeing all the little scars. Add those to the ones I got in the Fall from having my gallbladder removed, and it looks like I ran my belly into Edward Scissorhands with his blades pointing out.


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The daVinci robot is just a technique.

The biggest issue is the learning curve. However, I have to say that if you can do an LAVH, this is actually easier. I am not trained in daVinci, but I can do LAVH and have had the opportunity to "play" with the daVinci in a training situation (not on a person) so I feel comfortable saying it is makes the procedure easier.

When LAVH was introduced, the length of operating time was high as was the complication rate until surgeons has more experience. Particularly problematic for surgeons who were not already comfortable laparascopically. I imagine it is the same for the daVinci in general. But, today's physicians are very comfortable with minimally invasive surgery and it is not a very difficult transition.

Anyway, I do not understand how a technique can cause interstitial cystitis, if that is the question. I suspect, if the OP's condition is not actually IC, that having the hyst, not matter whether it was a TAH,LAVH,vag hyst or daVinci was the issue.

I feel like this is a situation where lawyers are jumping on the bandwagon again. Makes me sick. Class action suits of any kind are, to me, usually about making money for lawyers. No one else.



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Posted: 3/7/2013 10:21:18 AM
ScrapWench: I am not advised to take HRT as I have breast issues. They didn't even want me on bioidenticals. Also, I think I'm more of a medical MESS than drama, SW!! Just many stupid things happening to interfere with my normal healthy life. Remember, I had a paid job to help others get on a healthy path, and I was at my healthiest! It's very much not like me to have stupid, negligent medical issues happen to me! Dramatic? I'm PISSED OFF, so maybe I do rant a lot.

maddiesmum: You're a nasty piece of work. If you're a new Pea, how the fuck do you know so much about me. GO AWAY TROLL!

doesitmatter: I'm glad that the surgeries repaired your issues!!

cropduster: I'm glad that your surgery went well too!! I guess your surgeon was more experienced!

~Laura~: I really don't know if they use a cath during surgery. I didn't have one after.

Jennifer: I'm glad that your surgeries went well. Your surgeon sounded very careful, having the urologist on standby! I had no bladder issues beforehand though, which aggravates me more. Also, I agree about the statins. I read it here and saw something about it on tv and being that my cholesterol isn't that high, I pulled myself off of the Rx for a few weeks. I began getting thumping in my ears and pain in the back of my neck, so I went back on. Those few weeks didn't make my sleep better, but it did help with joint pain!

knit.pea: Now that makes sense! Yes, my pcp oversees my meds, and I carry around a current list of all meds to show each specialist and hospital. I agree, way too many drugs!!!!!!!

PEArfect: I'm afraid to take anything cranberry, as both doctors assume it's IC and I'm not supposed to have cranberry. I'll be on a limited diet, besides my diverticulitis diet.

recap.pea: I'm so glad your surgery worked out! I wonder if it has to do with the surgeon and also with womens' age.

rndo64: I'm sorry for what you've been through! I wish I would have gotten my surgery done a year ago when I still lived in Jersey! I don't think I'll have any more surgeries done here.

Regina P: The robot surgery can cause complications, including bladder issues, which IC is.

scrapsuzy: I had no idea that the recovery time for both surgeries is similar. That's not what the daVinci brochures promote.

Melissa: Thank you so much for your input. If you don't think it's IC, then what is it?? My symptoms are very similar to having a constant UTI. Will it ever go away? Is there anything I could do?? Or is this a possible side effect of the surgery? If so, is it the surgeon's fault?? I, too, don't like malpractice lawsuits (OR class action medical malpractice suits), as I know all too well the repurcussions having both doctors and lawyers in the family), but, if someone truly was at fault and your life is affected AND you have a chance to warn the public for the future, I'd do it. ALL I want to know is why I feel like this, what it is, and when/if it'll go away. Thanks!


















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Posted: 3/7/2013 11:08:04 AM
26: I remember you posting on a few hysterectomy threads also. Maybe having my cervix taken out with the hysterectomy had me at a higher risk for bladder problems after??? I thought I did my research and it seemed worth it to get it done, but I'd think long & hard before deciding on the daVinci vs. LAHV now.

So, my final question is: When you have a hysterectomy (w/cervix removal), what are the chances that your bladder will be hurt? My ovaries are in tact, so it's not a menopausal issue yet, but I refuse to believe this is "normal" to be in pain daily.

(No more medical posts after this one. From now on I'll research it online or thru doctors I trust. Some Peas are just not too nice, especially when you don't feel well.)









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Posted: 3/7/2013 11:20:36 AM
I am not sure if you have IC or not... was just saying IF it isn't IC, then it could be some other weird bladder issue. Your bladder is anatomically right on the uterus and is manipulated in a hyst, so there can be scar tissue in the region.

IC would not be caused by a hysterectomy or any other procedure, as far as I understand. It is in the interior lining of the bladder (hence the word interstitial). No one knows what causes it at this point. Could it have been a reaction to a catheter? I haven't heard of that, but it doesn't mean it never happens. Either way, it would have been an unfortunate side effect, not negligence or malpractice.

They have really widened the net on what they are calling IC today. It used to be you had to demonstrate ulcerations or pin point lesions on cystoscopy to make the diagnosis, but now it is a diagnosis of exclusion (rule out EVERYTHING else, including bladder cancer). There are also suggestions that it is another manifestation of fibromyalgia or irritable bowel. I can't remember if you've had everything ruled out or not, so that's why I said IF it isn't IC.

I hope you've had enough imaging to rule out something left behind or a reaction to an adhesion barrier or something along those lines. Just a thought.




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Posted: 3/7/2013 11:25:19 AM
If you don't want to try cranberry pills you could try an antihistamine.

(from the Mayo Clinc site: IC treatments) Antihistamines, such as diphenhydramine (Benadryl, others) and loratadine (Claritin, others), which may reduce urinary urgency and frequency and relieve other symptoms.

I would still try the cranberry pills if you haven't been diagnosed with IC. They do help relieve UTI 'like' symptoms. I would also eliminate caffiene.

You shouldn't have to deal with daily pain. I hope you and your doctor(s) figure out what is causing it.


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Posted: 3/7/2013 12:38:05 PM

Regina P: The robot surgery can cause complications, including bladder issues, which IC is.


You're wrong. IC is a chronic inflammation of the GAG layer inside the bladder. It's not caused by injury. Get your ridiculous facts straight.

Interstitial Cystitis

I cannot imagine how awful it must be to be one of your doctors. You're absolutely insane.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 12:49:34 PM
Melissa: Thank you SO much for responding again! I've had many tests done in the past year with the urologist and the gynecologist, including sonograms (and recently the one with the water), cystocopies, etc. I'm not holding back urine. I go next week to the gynecologist for the most current sonogram results. Wondering if it would show scar tissue. I've been known to INSTANTLY create scar tissue in the past with other surgeries, so this wouldn't be a surprise. So, what would the next step be to alleviate the pain?

I am already on otc Allegra for allergies + asthma meds + a mild antidepressant (to ward off migraines). Is there anything I'm missing? I've even tried to eliminate acidic foods (my seltzer, lemons/limes/oranges, caffeine, chocolate, tomatoes, spicy food.....) to see if that helps. It hasn't thusfar.

It's coincidental that you mentioned irritable bowel, since I have diverticulosis (for 10 years) and that's irritated too, so it might be time to find a competent G.I. here (ugh).

Thank you so much. I'll figure it out from here and will refrain from posting on medical threads.

PEArfect: I'm not supposed to even have cranberry juice also b/c of my divertiulosis, but I'll double-check; thanks.

maddiesmum: Do you have to be such a nasty bitch? I mean, really???? I saw on a commercial recently about robotic surgery possibly causing many effects, one of them being bladder related. Also, there's always a chance that any type of hysterectomy could nick the bladder and cause problems. I'm not imaginng that, dear. Please stop posting on my threads unless you could refrain from being such a nasty bitch.

26: Thank you! I will, but I'll only post q's about it on the hystersisters site from now on. Too many trolls and bitches here.









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Posted: 3/7/2013 1:12:24 PM

maddiesmum: Do you have to be such a nasty bitch? I mean, really???? I saw on a commercial recently about robotic surgery possibly causing many effects, one of them being bladder related. Also, there's always a chance that any type of hysterectomy could nick the bladder and cause problems. I'm not imaginng that, dear. Please stop posting on my threads unless you could refrain from being such a nasty bitch.


You are acting crazy. You saw a commercial for an ambulance-chasing lawyer's office trying desperately to get people like you to make them money. As someone with terrible IC I am disgusted at how you insist you have it yet obviously know nothing about it. It's people like you that made doctors treat people like me as if I'm crazy. It took me two years and three doctors for someone to take me seriously about the pain I was in and do an cystoscopy to see the Hunner's ulcers that are all over the lining of my bladder. I've had it for 17 years and it sucks but you don't see me posting poor me threads all over the place. It's people like you who whine constantly about every little thing and drive doctors crazy.

Making a post like this is like screaming fire in a crowded movie theater. The daVinci tool is wonderful; it makes serious surgery much less invasive and recovery much easier. I was thrilled with my recovery compared to my mother who had an abdominal hysterectomy. It took two months less than my mom's and I felt great even just a week after the surgery.

Blame me for being a bitch if that helps you but you have been whining, moaning and complaining about your surgery for the entire time I've been here and it's ridiculous. Get a grip, already.


I've been known to INSTANTLY create scar tissue in the past with other surgeries, so this wouldn't be a surprise


That's a fine example of your insanity. INSTANTLY?

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Posted: 3/7/2013 1:23:15 PM

Making a post like this is like screaming fire in a crowded movie theater. The daVinci tool is wonderful; it makes serious surgery much less invasive and recovery much easier.


You are just off base on this. Obviously there are other people who have had problems with this procedure so for you to declare it as "wonderful" is an insult to every single person who has had a complication.

As someone who had a complication from a surgery that everyone else seems to say was "no problem, fabulous, life changing" I can't explain to you the relief I felt when I discovered other people - thousands of them - who had similar complications. And yet every time THAT surgery comes up here, it's declared as being great with no one ever hearing of complications. Yeah, life changing all right - just not the same life changing effect for everyone.

Just because the majority of people don't have the same complications from any given surgery doesn't give someone with a positive result to dismiss those that haven't had the same great success.



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Posted: 3/7/2013 1:33:27 PM

You are just off base on this. Obviously there are other people who have had problems with this procedure so for you to declare it as "wonderful" is an insult to every single person who has had a complication.


No I'm not off base. This thread was a ridiculously dramatic statement that EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE AFRAID!!!!!!! Of course I know that complications happen in surgery but this was over-the-top and stupid, just like most of the OP's posts. While there's always a need for people undergoing surgery to understand that risks are involved and sometimes things happen that are just awful, she was out of line to say what she did.


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Posted: 3/7/2013 3:09:02 PM
maddiesmum: If you've been following my posts (which you seem to be stalking), then you'd know that I HAVE visited my pcp, my gynecologist and a urologist in the past year since I've had these symptoms. WTF are you talking about??? Check my post history. I've had the symptoms for a YEAR. I've had cystocopies and radiology tests to rule everything else out. And I'm not "whining" or crying about it. I'm just trying to gather information. As far as this post, if I could help one person think twice before they went ahead with this surgery, I'd be happy. It was MY experience; not yours, so kindly mind your own fucking business, missy! You're quite rude and presumptious. Just do me a favor and stop posting anything to me. You're nothing but a nuisance. And if I'm that bothersome to you, block me, as I will do with you as of right now. This board isn't for rude people like you. Since you're a newbie (haha!), you should get the hell out of here if you can't have respect.

BF: THANK YOU!! That's exactly how I feel. I've had problems with it since the day I got the surgery. It's SUCKED as far as I'm concerned.










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Posted: 3/7/2013 3:18:46 PM
I'm not an expert but after having read the rest of this thread, it seems highly unlikely that the DaVinci would be the cause of your bladder discomfort. I wonder if perhaps a catheter during the surgery set off IC in you? I don't know. I've had bladder issues (prone to UTIs) for a long time. They got neither better nor worse after my hyst.

Now don't laugh or think I'm mocking you...but my cat has IC. His vet told me that male cats often are prone to this in the way that female humans are, and one of the things they use to treat the symptoms besides lots of hydration is glucosamine-chondroitin. The vet was a woman who herself has IC. I used the feline Rx version of GC on my cat for a year. He no longer needs to be on it but if he gets very stressed he occasionally will have a flare-up. Then I give him GC for a month or so. He's actually not needed it for a few years, so maybe you can try it and see if it helps if it's on the list of things you can take.
He was diagnosed after obvious pain and straining on urination and bloody urine with no signs of UTI. It couldn't hurt I wouldn't think, to give it a try for a few months if your Dr okays it. It may sound like a bunch of BS but it truly works for my cat.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 4:09:14 PM
Zombie: THANK YOU. Learn something new every day!! I just learned that cats have anal sacs (that's a whole different story, but I posted about my kitty having issues with pooping right outside her litterbox--I brought her to the vet and her anal sacs were full. Two weeks later, she's doing it again. Ugh!). Wow. I'll look it up and keep it in mind. Thank you. Sorry you were going thru this pain also. It IS possible that I had a cath during surgery and I'm not good with foreign objects inside of my body (I've rejected many things--not to be dramatic!). I'm just wondering how long I'll feel the UTI-like-pain and what I could do to ease it. That's all. Thank you for your post and for your info! MUCH appreciated.

(HINT: *That* is how a post should read-----------Zombie was helpful without being condescending.)









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Posted: 3/7/2013 4:14:34 PM
Stalking you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Don't flatter yourself. Stop posting on your threads? Really? Why don't you pit ME on ignore if you have a problem?

Now back to your regularly scheduled over-dramatic, exclamation point-filled nonsense. As I said, it's women like you who make it harder for people who are actually ill to get help. I'm sure they'll figure out what a nutcase you are on hystersisters soon enough.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 4:19:37 PM

(HINT: *That* is how a post should read-----------Zombie was helpful without being condescending.)


Posts also shouldn't have several hundred !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!! and ???????????????????????????????????????????????. There's also supposed to be spaces between sentences and don't get me started on your spelling. Was it intestastal cystitis you wrote a week or so go? If you're going to pretend to have an illness at least know how to spell it, okay?

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Posted: 3/7/2013 5:00:26 PM
When my husband was facing prostate surgery a couple years ago someone we knew had the robotic and praised it. My husbands doctor said his clinic didn't do it yet and he wasn't sold on it yet. He said he was a hands on kinda guy...lol. Long story short my husbad did great with hands on method and the other guy is miserable. My husband's doctor did say they were probably going to bring someone in that year and said "Do you want to be first?" He laughed then and said you can't wait that long anyway.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 5:35:01 PM
I am another one who had a hysterectomy via the DaVinci method. My dr is partners with one of the drs that teaches this method at the local university. My dr told me that she has had thousands of hours doing this surgery, but still had the partner there to over see her work. It made me feel pretty good to be in two sets of very capable hands.

My surgery went as smooth as possible. Went in that morning and was home by four that afternoon. I only had to have 3 pain pills during my recovery. I had two half inch incisions on either side of my navel and one in my navel. I can't even see the sites now.

The only difference I see in my bladder is that when I have to pee, I can no longer hold it like I used to. My bladder will leak if I try. I was told that this might happen because they were removing my cervix also.

I'm sorry you are having so many problems and I hope you get relief soon.

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Posted: 3/7/2013 6:44:51 PM
You are most welcome--I'm not always bitchy, heh.

I do know how miserable you must feel and I hope it helps. It may do nothing, but it helps some women (and cats!).
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