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Posted: 3/22/2013 8:57:36 AM
Stealing sucks. And it happens way more than we realize in design. Of course, that doesn't make it OK.

I can distinguish between AMW being a talented scrapbooker, and saying that it was wrong to copy and steal designs originally created by someone else.

I have to say, it IS hard to see someone who's work you admire being outed and so harshly spoken about. Again, not that what she did was OK, but maybe that is why more people aren't saying anything. Plus, some of the posters here who are being so vocal in publicizing her behaviour and dishonesty look a bit rabid, and like they have a personal vendetta. I am sure no one wants to align themselves with THAT behaviour, either.

One last thought -- I can't imagine any reasonable person would blame or hold either the ILS DT or the entire country of Poland responsible, or guilty by association for any of this.







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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:19:40 AM
The people who are posting the info everywhere do have a personal stake- at least one has said she was on the DT. But, really, why is it wrong to be loud and vocal about the stealing of intellectual property?

I have seen scrapbookers crucified for "copying" or "stealing" ideas or even styles based on layout "lifts" that are way less obvious than these design lifts. Yet, the first accusations of this were back in JANUARY and no-one seemed to even care.

Well, I do care! It is wrong, unethical to take someone else's art/designs and pass it off as your own work. And tweaking a color scheme does not equal "inspiration" vs copying. To add insult to injury, she stated in that email that she never hid where she got her inspiration - but, I never ever saw them give credit for the inspirations on any of these designs. I don't know how many times I have seen scrapbookers complain about people lifting without crediting the original scrapbooker.

It really isn't about "just paper and glue". It really isn't about who is or is not a talented scrapbooker. It is about people's ideas, property, and their livings.

I'm tired of seeing this apttern in this industry- this attitude of "everybody copies", "nothing is original", etc, etc. This idea that if we stick our heads in the sand so as not to hurt anyone's feelings, it will all just go away and it will all be okay




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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:30:06 AM
To be specific. It's not my personal vendetta. I'm just angry, that somebody is stealing others ideas and hard work, to write "hey, look how beautiful designs I make", I consider myself as an artist, and I don't want to see someday, that somebody took credit for my work. That's the reason I'm trying to make it loud. Would you like to see it too someday, that something you were working hard for, is sold by other people? I don't. That's why I won't stop fighting for condemning such an action.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:32:03 AM
I've had my designs stolen and used by another scrapbooker to teach a class. I'm not saying what AMW did was OK. IN fact, I think I was pretty clear saying I think it was wrong.

However, repeated posting in multiple threads of the same thing and saying that someone is know as a bitch in your country DOES sound like a personal vendetta, not a professional interest in protecting copyright designs. That's really all I meant.







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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:35:49 AM
Ashley-
I'm not asking for repeated, rabid postings by everyone in this industry.

I suppose I'm just trying to say that it makes me sad. That people just don't say anything. To me... that's implicitly saying it's okay.

That's the point I was trying to make.



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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:38:43 AM
Hi Stephanie, I totally get you. I do. I agree with you.







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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:47:25 AM
robmab, you're so right!

if a great and famous actor steals a car, do we pity him, because he played in some good movies? it has nothing to do with it.

and a person that often accuses other people of copying her style, should be a true role model.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:49:23 AM
This popped up at SC. They have not pulled it yet. SC thread


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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:52:08 AM
well, they cut it. any idea why they don't want to talk about it?

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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:57:42 AM
I'm a pretty big defender of Studio Calico usually, and I like most everything they put out. But I, too, think they should at least make a statement about it. That doesn't mean they have to cut Anna-Maria or anything, but when a whole company goes under as a result of a really unfortunate circumstance...well, it would be nice to see it be acknowledged beyond locking threads.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:58:41 AM
Interesting....I took a screen shot knowing they would probably pull it.



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Posted: 3/22/2013 10:07:22 AM

it would be nice to see it be acknowledged beyond locking threads.


I agree. Locking/deleting threads does NOT make the issue at hand go away. In fact, it gets talked about in more and more places. I think SC should at least discuss it because she is on their DT. Like I said before, I don't place any blame on SC, they're innocents in this. But...their DT member isn't.


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Posted: 3/22/2013 10:08:44 AM
Yes. This is interesting. And it is not the first time, when SC removes information about the whole problem from SC forum. Strange behaviour... I am a huge fan of SC, but I do not understand why they do not allow people to talk freely. I thought, that USA is a democracy and that everyone has a right to talk freely...

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Posted: 3/22/2013 10:32:01 AM
I am by no means defending what has been done by Anna-Maria, I too was taught as a child to not lie,cheat or steal but I was also taught to be forgiving, and if I was not personally involved then it was none of my buisness. I am one of those who stay quiet but I will say I wish that more people were forgiving, life is hard enough as it is and I am so glad that I have a forgiving God!

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Posted: 3/22/2013 10:36:29 AM
I think that people forgive, when someone's sorry. It's hard to forgive, when AMW didn't say anything, didn't apologize. She's active on her blog, on FB, on Pinterest, but she's pretending that nothing happened. Deleting all the comments from dissapointed fans is not the way to get forgiveness.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 10:39:45 AM
If I was accused of doing something immoral or illegal in my profession I would hope that my boss would give me the benefit of the doubt. That she would do extensive research and talk to all the people involved, including me, before she went out and made a public statement or fired me even. I can imagine that is what SC is doing.

I'm not defending AMW, but I think it's a good thing that her employer does not jump on the bandwagon of bashing her before they have the full story.

And if she is indeed removed from their DT I think it will be done discretely. Her layouts just won't be in the gallery. They have never before publically announced their resaons for dropping or replacing DT members, so I don't think they will start now.


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Posted: 3/22/2013 10:49:49 AM
I also prefer forgiveness than continuos attacks and keeping harm to somebody. But for example, my kids when they do something wrong, first need to apologize, admit that they act wrong, and claim responsibility for their actions. If they don't they don't have an easy life, and get grounded. And I don't see for any reason, to keep quiet when somebody make wrong and don't feel to show remorse.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 10:57:07 AM
I believe in forgiveness, for sure, who is perfect? BUT, I do think she should resign from SC. She shouldn't put them in the position of "firing" her, she should own up and walk away, in my opinion.



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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:00:01 AM
Rockermorsan - I totally agree. What I wanted to say, doesn't concern Anna Maria. It concerns SC. I live in Poland - a country with long and difficult history. We were enslaved many times and for a long time. I remember times, when there were no freedom of speech in Poland. This is probably a reason, why I am so sensitive to speech freedom restrictions. I do not agree and do not understand any behavior of any company, which does not allow people to talk freely. This is a core of what I wanted to say.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:03:27 AM
Rockermorsan, can I just say that your hair looks totally awesome and amazing?!






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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:04:46 AM
SC now made a public statement:
http://www.studiocalico.com/community/studio-chat/topics/56421-statement-from-sc

ETA: Thank you so much, Biochemipea!


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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:08:36 AM
Great! This clears the situation with thread blocking and deleting.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 12:43:50 PM
hmm... not completely. They still deleting posts with thunder speed with any form of critics or disagree. Only accept praising posts like - Thank You!, Great response etc.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 1:34:25 PM

They still deleting posts with thunder speed with any form of critics or disagree. Only accept praising posts like - Thank You!, Great response etc.


True, but the fact that they did acknowledge it was a big step up from what has been going on there recently with ONLY deleting and locking. And I can understand not wanting a bunch of threads speculating what happened/is happening, because as Lisa Mack mentioned, it's an outside company with only an indirect affiliation to SC. Locking and deleting with no comments wasn't solving anything. I was one of the "Thank You" people, because I appreciated the effort.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 2:29:52 PM
I understand, that they don't want to have a mess on their forum. But I was hoping, that they'll do something, even behind closed doors. Now I know that it's ok to steal, unless you do it in our playground. That's not fair, but that's how this scrapbook world works.

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Posted: 3/22/2013 2:45:11 PM
In all fairness, while they may not want to remove her, it may just be that they have lawyers and contracts. They may not have any recourse to remove someone from their team for "morality" reasons vs actual failure to fulfill contractual obligations. It will be more interesting to me to see if contracts are renewed or new gigs offered by other companies.




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Posted: 3/22/2013 2:55:50 PM
Keyhry70, I think you are exactly right.


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Posted: 3/22/2013 5:41:51 PM
I see no reason to defend her. She stole designs. Period...
The fact that SC is cool with it is sad. They should let her go. but instead they do the same old same old. If it was their designs they would feel differently.


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Posted: 3/22/2013 6:26:27 PM
I agree with Kethry, it could just be there is no way to remove her from her contract. she has not done anything wrong with them on their team, and this whole stealing thing is a whole other issue from SC.


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Posted: 3/22/2013 7:47:32 PM
Today I heard I multiply comments in two threads. I'll do it again, because i see one of you are writing in one topic, and others in second. I don't like to repeat myself but I will:

OK, so here's a deal. I wrote a personal message to the SC moderator. Just like they wrote "If you have any questions, concerns, or humorous anecdotes to share, you can contact us here: http://www.studiocalico.com/conversations/new "
So i wrote under these link. And what??? Check this out, what SC thinks about stolen designs...


Hi,
first of all I'd like to congrats your moderators thunder speed actions. Nearly minute to delete the post, and almost 2 to delete an account. I see, you don't accept any words of clearly critics under your address. Once more congratulations of keeping your "creative" DT member. I'll let me paste over here my deleted post, hoping of recevieng satisfying answer.

Hi,
I would like to thank you for making a clear statement for the whole situation with Anna-Maria, unless I can't said i understand your point of view and your actions. If stealing designs and getting credits for it, by your DT member, a person who is a name sponsor to your company, is not an enough reason to get cut the contract off, then I don't understand what is. The bad fame will follow her, but it's your way of running company. All I can wish to SC, is not to have similar issues in future.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 8:26:53 PM
Totally not defending her. But, SC has a contract with her and she is in compliance with that contract. If SC let her go, SC would be in violation of the contract and AMK could potentially sue them for breach of contract. Like Keyhry70 said, after the contract is up, it'll be interesting to see whether or not she gets dropped like a hot potato!! I think she has made an ill reputation for herself. SC is in the middle due to no fault of their own. It's totally not fair to blame SC for not letting her go when they have a contractual obligation to fulfill. But, I bet this situation will make SC and other people rethink their contracts and include some of kind of clause like: "if you are found to be in violation of copyright infringement or copying designs from other designers, whether here or at another company, this will be grounds for this contract to terminate."


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Posted: 3/22/2013 8:57:00 PM
I think this is a real sad situation. I understand that SC "might" have a contract and they can not let Anna Maria go. I just hope that they do not renew her contract. And as for to resolve this whole situation with SC may be Anna Maria herself can step down. But I really doubt if she will do that.

And for stolen designs there is something called commercial license. If Anna Maria felt so much "inspired" seeing those designs and did not even care to change them much then she could have just asked the designer to give her commercial license for it. But that could not happen because obviously she really wanted credit for something that she did not design.

Such a shame

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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:13:26 PM
@Szreniawa you previously said this was not personal, you just felt like the truth should be known. Which is perfectly fine. The whole scrap world knows the truth now, her reputation is tainted/ruined, the majority of us believe she is in the wrong, you have expressed your concern about her DT job with Studio Calico (they are a business, they can make their own decisions), so why do you keep piling it on? She stole, she isn't apologetic, lets just move forward if this isn't personal.

And for the record, I am not a big fan of hers, I just think there is nothing else to be gained from continuing to reiterate the same information.



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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:39:00 PM
I don't think that SC has any responsibility to punish AMW for what has gone down. She did a (very) unethical thing. We all agree on that part. But the situation doesn't have much to do with SC. I think this is an argument that could go 'round and 'round and 'round. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Who I REALLY feel bad for (besides the artist) are the retailers who stock ILS products and probably won't be able to sell them due to the controversy. I know that Freckled Fawn carries ILS papers, and they aren't cheap. It sucks and I hope those stores get some sort of compensation as well.


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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:57:16 PM
ALthough SC is not responsible for Anna Marie's actions, I would think they would not any association with her and their company since her "crime" is related to scrapbooking and it appears that she was inspired by one of their designs as well. I am kind of surprised that they are seemingly condoning her behavior.
I am really shocked that anyone would want her name associated with their company at this point.



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Posted: 3/23/2013 9:20:39 AM
I, personally, am holding the entire country of Poland responsible for this mess.
































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Posted: 3/23/2013 11:05:40 AM
Lol, that is too funny Nicole in TX.

I am a bit behind in all this but have kind of caught up now and just received a statement on AMW blog which I follow explaining it from her point of view. I had a look at the papers through the links here and they are not just similar they are exactly the same papers. Anyway she has made a statement on her blog not that it has made it any clearer to me but she is threatening to sue people for slander which I think is mainly directed at anyone that says anything from Poland as polish law was quoted.

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Posted: 3/23/2013 12:43:25 PM

I, personally, am holding the entire country of Poland responsible for this mess.



I was thinking we might as well hold all of Europe responsible for this. Why not?

















You know I'm kidding, right?



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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:05:04 PM

I, personally, am holding the entire country of Poland responsible for this mess.


I was thinking we might as well hold all of Europe responsible for this. Why not?


lol...Except Shimelle, of course...






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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:32:19 PM

I was thinking we might as well hold all of Europe responsible for this. Why not?


Ahem *cough cough*......S'cuse me!?








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Nicole in Tx!



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Posted: 3/23/2013 8:09:38 PM
Nicole, I think it's Texas' fault!!!!


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I have a sticker my Texan friend gave to me:


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Posted: 3/24/2013 6:40:06 AM
Why doesn't SC just buy out AMW's contract? Seems easy enough to me: it's scrapbooking, not NFL football. I can't imagine we're talking big money here since DT gigs are stereotypically a nominal amount of money per LO, some pub fees, and free product, right?

SC is acting like the contract is unbreakable: usually they are breakable but you'll have to pay something to get out of the deal. SC can't void the contract for free but since the issue is scrapbooking and design related, I personally would buy out the contract to make a clean slate and start again. At SC a lot of DT are also designers of products so I think it would matter greatly to some of the team members who are watching all this unfold. Mere specualtion on my part but I'm sure nearly everyone's got an opinion whether they express it or not.


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You guys are hilarious! Yes, except Shimelle. She can do no wrong.



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Posted: 3/24/2013 9:51:51 AM
I don't get SC either, it isn't like she got a parking ticket or committed a bank robbery, which iwould both be completely unrelated to her contract at SC. She stole designs for a scrapping product and claimed them as her own. IMHO it is directly related to the work she does for SC and reflects very poorly on them. I don't get it at all. There statement on their board is ridiculous, and seems to me to e claiming what she did is no big deal. I wonder how they would feel if their graphic designers products had been stolen and passed off as some other scrapping companies work?



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Posted: 3/24/2013 10:39:13 AM

I have a sticker my Texan friend gave to me:


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That's right, Furrypea.....you don't ever, EVER want to mess with TEXAS!



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Posted: 3/24/2013 11:14:50 AM
I always check the scrapbook layouts created by the design team for the monthly kits. There was a member claiming that Anna used her designs to create some of her monthly layouts. She had even uploaded links of her layouts and they did look like they had been scraplifted. Anna even responded that she knew it looked "bad" but that they were her original designs. But now when I go to the layouts in question all the remarks have been removed pertaining to this. I'm not sure if they removed them shortly after they were made or because of the recent things that have been going on. I just find this really odd now that this other situation has come to light. Does anyone else remember this?









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Posted: 3/24/2013 1:30:17 PM
Amybug,
I think I do, do you have the layouts, by chance?
Apparently copying layouts isn't new to her either, according to the smack blog anyway.
I completely agree April should drop her like a hot potato.
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