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Posted: 3/24/2013 1:45:49 PM

There was a member claiming that Anna used her designs to create some of her monthly layouts. She had even uploaded links of her layouts and they did look like they had been scraplifted. Anna even responded that she knew it looked "bad" but that they were her original designs.




How long ago was that?

I'm no lawyer, but that, along with the current issue, I'm really surprised SC can't/won't do anything. Maybe they're looking into it? Like someone else said, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a way to get out of their contract with her. I know I wouldn't want her associated with my company, even if it's for DT LO's.


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Posted: 3/24/2013 1:54:25 PM
It was during the month of January - Block Party kit. Like I said though the comments from the member and Anna are mysteriously gone.

I don't have the layouts. I had no reason to save pics of both. I didn't think much of it at the time, thought either she did scraplift them and was on the defensive or thought possibly they had came up with similar designs for several layouts.




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Posted: 3/24/2013 2:00:23 PM
Totally not hand slapping here, but y does everyone seem to care so much about how SC handles their business with her?

And for the record..... I would NEVER mess with TX!


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Posted: 3/24/2013 2:21:30 PM
I care because I am a member and I give my money to them monthly. Out of that money design team members get free product/discounts/classes and access to all the add-ons, etc... I would prefer those benefits to go to someone else at this point.



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Posted: 3/24/2013 4:41:34 PM

It was during the month of January - Block Party kit. Like I said though the comments from the member and Anna are mysteriously gone.



Totally not hand slapping here, but y does everyone seem to care so much about how SC handles their business with her?


Oh, I'm just nosy and butting my nose in where it doesn't belong. But...at least I'm honest.


I care because I am a member and I give my money to them monthly. Out of that money design team members get free product/discounts/classes and access to all the add-ons, etc... I would prefer those benefits to go to someone else at this point.


If I was still a member, I'd feel the same way.


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Posted: 3/24/2013 5:24:50 PM
I care because I am a former member due to their shenanigans and now I am just a busy nose!
I also hate to see people getting away with things that are so clearly and absolutely WRONG!

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Posted: 3/24/2013 7:30:52 PM

I care because I am a member and I give my money to them monthly. Out of that money design team members get free product/discounts/classes and access to all the add-ons, etc... I would prefer those benefits to go to someone else at this point.



Thank you Amy, valid point. Nicely said.


Oh, I'm just nosy and butting my nose in where it doesn't belong. But...at least I'm honest.


I was honest. i was curious.


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Posted: 3/24/2013 9:03:39 PM
I was wondering the same thing too



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Posted: 3/24/2013 9:37:14 PM
I remember that layout, it was a starburst one, i remember Anna said it looked bad, but she did then link up a layout she had done like a year before (could see the date on her blog) that she had lifted from herself. the new one was identical to her 1st one the year before.

not sticking up for her i just remember it as i did click on the link and thought it strange at the time.
also the layout was the same as a layout i think it was OA had a sketch for on their blog not to long ago, i remember Marcy doing it too for OA



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Posted: 3/24/2013 9:39:39 PM
Found the layout http://www.studiocalico.com/galleries/76468-rise-shine
the original one she had done was published in a magazine last year


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Posted: 3/24/2013 11:17:01 PM
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Posted: 3/25/2013 5:50:33 AM

I was honest. i was curious.


Oh, I know. I wasn't being snarky, it really is just nosy curiosity for me. I do find myself intrigued by SC's business model, and how they have a huge following, no matter what. I'm not saying anyone should not shop there because of this. This scrapping world is pretty small, so if you (general you) stick around long enough, chances are every once in a while something scandalous happens.


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Posted: 3/25/2013 7:24:29 AM
I, too, am intrigued by the business models of most scrapbooking companies. They just don't run them the way the stereotypical business models work. They range from kitchen table startups to massive behemoths and yet they all compete in the same arena. Additionally, scrapbookers seem to put up with lots of questionable practices that would not be acceptable in other retail settings and communities.

Whether manu or storefront, scrapbook companies (and their customer bases) would make an interesting case study for an MBA. Scrapbooking is a wide mix of hobby and lifestyle, famous vs. infamous, art vs. craft, ethics and morality in both omissions and commissions, with hoarding and shopping issues thrown in for good measure. It's got it all, truly. True life is more interesting than any fiction: you just can't make this stuff up.


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Posted: 3/25/2013 8:46:18 AM
Personally I think she will leave SC; either on her own or suggested by SC. It's too toxic for them to hold on to an affiliation with her- but they are doing the right thing taking a little time to cut ties and give her a fair amount of time to sort things out before just impulsively discontinuing the relationship.
Stealing intellectual property is a serious crime. She's lucky she isn't being sued bigtime. She still may be, who knows what's coming down the pike.
To me, all her pages look the same anyway, and many other people have the same style so I think it will be easy to fill that gap with someone more honest. Maybe Aileen Cheng will join the team
She made some bad choices, big bad choices. There are too many honest scrappers and designers out there to tolerate this kind of thing, though.

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Posted: 3/25/2013 9:02:58 AM

Ashley-
I'm not asking for repeated, rabid postings by everyone in this industry.

I suppose I'm just trying to say that it makes me sad. That people just don't say anything. To me... that's implicitly saying it's okay.

That's the point I was trying to make.


i think people DO say things which is why the company has now closed
it was dealt with by the people involved

i think threads like this just become an avenue for gossip, super sleuthing, speculating and plain old fashioned drama
just my opinion

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Posted: 3/25/2013 9:07:57 AM

Additionally, scrapbookers seem to put up with lots of questionable practices that would not be acceptable in other retail settings and communities.
I completely disagree with this. There is SO much idea theft that goes on in pretty much every other industry out there. But the scrapbooking world is more "personal" -- we feel like we are entitled to determine who serves on a design team based on our beliefs or feelings about that person, as if design positions were elected by a democracy. Fashion design, science, product development, occur behind closed doors and aren't in the "mommy world" of personal blogs and online "friendships".






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Posted: 3/25/2013 9:09:13 AM


Stealing intellectual property is a serious crime. She's lucky she isn't being sued bigtime. She still may be, who knows what's coming down the pike.


I have no idea if designs were stolen or not - the first time I knew about Anna was when she did a Garden Girl Video earlier this yr here on 2 Peas.

However, she's from Poland (or a different European country), right? I think as Americans we throw around lawsuit words pretty easily, but given this involves people in multiple countries - that's not likely.

I've lived in Latin America for much of my life, and "stealing intellectual property" just doesn't even come across the radar screen in many other cultures. If something is found on the internet, my friends on those countries would feel it's free game to use! Look at all the money China makes off of mass production and seeing of pirated music and movies.

I can't imagine international lawsuits over scrapbook paper designs and layout designs. A bit expensive to start!

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Posted: 3/25/2013 11:05:41 AM
Ash/BioChem: it isn't just idea theft that is at issue here. Scrapbooking has dealt with rigged contests, plaigarism, hidden message boards, scrap celebs gossiping within earshot of paying clients, manus hiring a designer (getting ideas then firing said designer), attribution or crediting sources of ideas, etc. I could go on and on but I won't. This is just another blip of bad business on top of a decade (at least) of deviations from standard business practices. I agree with you that since scrapbooking features personal photos and personal stories, it doesn't "feel" like business, but it is. KWIM?

And if scrapbookers decided this type of business was truly unacceptable behavior, I could name at least three companies that should have no longer been financially viable, ongoing concerns. Scrapbookers don't vote with their wallets because they feel they might hurt someone's feelings or comes across as "judgmental" somehow. It's OK to draw the line. Scrappers don't draw the line because someone's products are "yummy scrappy goodness" <insert silly squeal here>. Even on this thread, some have lamented how wonderful the copied goods are/were. So many times scrappers say, "well yeah that happened but I love their stuff and I can't get it anywhere else". Wha?!?! Accountability rarely happens in the business of scrapbooking.

The difference is that when this type of stuff went on six or seven years ago, there wasn't the widespread adaptation and adoption of online sources and internet use. Nowadays these things can be discovered easily and quickly and within the communities, questions are asked out loud. I think it's a good thing that these issues see the light of day and are being discussed.

As Bette Midler once said, "That's why it's called show BUSINESS". Scrapbooking feels personal but it really is a business. Big time. That's what I was trying to say: it's not just addressing the theft of ideas issue. This industry is so much more complicated than that, when it feels like it's pretending to be just simple, folksy hobbyist fun.

Wrong is wrong. Just because a practice is widespread doesn't make it acceptable. This stuff goes on because it is generally accepted. That's why some companies stay in business and survive numerous scandals, bad publicity, and questionable practices. Sad but true. I stand by my claim that scrappers do accept the unacceptable and continue to buy. Feel free to disagree with me if you wish. It's just an opinion of mine, that's all.


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Posted: 3/25/2013 1:44:53 PM
see the statement on AM's blog and you'll get to know who's a victim here: annamariawolniak.wordpress.com/

that's most perfect self-creation I've ever seen - look at the comments

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Posted: 3/25/2013 1:55:07 PM

see the statement on AM's blog and you'll get to know who's a victim here: annamariawolniak.wordpress.com/


Well, that clears it all up



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Posted: 3/25/2013 2:13:37 PM
My goodness, that is one heck of a blog post full of nonsense. Clearly she is moderating comments, but I can't get over the people saying that they don't even know what happend but are sure she is not at fault because her pages are so beautiful!
I don't understand her saying she was "involved" but not responsible. She was the one who claimed the designs as her own, how is she NOT responsible?


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Posted: 3/25/2013 2:25:44 PM
The comments to that blog post are the perfect example of why Scrapbooking is not like any other business. It pretty much exemplifies everything pelirroja was saying in her post.

Responses like that give women a bad name, stupid bunch of sheep.


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Posted: 3/25/2013 3:04:41 PM
Not sure it is fair to call them stupid sheep. They may not visit 2Peas or SC, so they only see what is on her blog. If you just read the post, you may feel sorry for her and feel she is unjustly prosecuted. It is all about context and access to information.



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Posted: 3/25/2013 4:31:19 PM
I am sorry, but after reading her blog post I have lost all respect. I am just tired of people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions and choices and try to place the blame on others. Sounds like she needs to do some growing up.

*ETA* And I would have to agree that probably most of the people commenting on her blog post, have no idea what really happened.


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Posted: 3/25/2013 5:02:07 PM
I agree with Mary Jo here. I usually don't say anything but it's just so blatant & what she has now said kind of adds salt to the wound. It's not exactly an apology either. The whole situation bothered me much more after her post. And coming from someone who spends lots of hard earned money on supplies, the stealing does bother me.


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Posted: 3/25/2013 5:06:43 PM
Welcome back.
After few days full of work, I can present you - as LisaMac from Studio Calico at their statement wrote "humorous anecdotes" - an humorous anecdote. Anna-Maria creating new collection for ILS, Divine This Line, was inspired, except Sarah I was writing before, by design made for Studio Calico. To be specific, Divine This Line 03-04 , was inspired by Studio Calico Abroad .
I wrote to SC about it, curious, if I will receive any answer. Probably not, but I think - I'll live without an satisfying answer.

And two quick looks from conversation I put at the end:
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Edit.
Because something's wrong with link to the print screen of Conversation started with Studio Calico, I'm putting direct link below

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2mx28 oy&s=6
(you need to delete the empty space between 8 and o in the link )

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Posted: 3/25/2013 5:41:50 PM
Szreniawa you do know that paper is originally an AC paper not SC? yes SC have it now in different colours, they brought this out after the joined up with AC

Also though i doubt you will get a reply, i am sure they are aware it is the same without us all telling them


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Posted: 3/25/2013 5:50:24 PM
Here is the original
American Crafts HELLO SUNSHINE Scrapbooking Paper



Just annoying as it is not a SC original, and i keep hearing that it is. i LOVED this paper when it first came out


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Posted: 3/25/2013 5:52:31 PM
Nope, I didn't know that Generally it's not her design.

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Posted: 3/25/2013 6:15:12 PM
That wonky herringbone pattern has always reminded me of this Joel Dewberry fabric that started coming out several years ago:






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Posted: 3/25/2013 6:16:11 PM

If you just read the post, you may feel sorry for her and feel she is unjustly prosecuted. It is all about context and access to information.


I stand by what I said. If after reading that post and seeing what AM says you don't want to search the internet and figure out what she is talking about your definitely not the brightest light on the tree. It is not like I am an industry insider or anything (just a nosey scrapbooker) and managed to find out about it just by minimal searching


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Posted: 3/25/2013 8:10:00 PM

Oh, I know. I wasn't being snarky, it really is just nosy curiosity for me. I do find myself intrigued by SC's business model, and how they have a huge following, no matter what. I'm not saying anyone should not shop there because of this. This scrapping world is pretty small, so if you (general you) stick around long enough, chances are every once in a while something scandalous happens.


Thanks natalie, i'm a little thin skinned at times, and i was really just curious why some people seemed extra emotional about it. It's not that i don't agree it's a big deal, but as far as SC goes, it may take time before they make any moves.
I've been around a long time, and seen lots of drama for sure. Remember Poppy Ink? She really made a name for herself in the kit club world for sure!


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Posted: 3/25/2013 8:37:27 PM
that blog post is more than you would ever see from donna downey who constantly steals ideas and resells them

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Posted: 3/25/2013 11:06:40 PM

That being said, we in no way condone blatant copying of designs...

We have locked or deleted other threads pertaining to this issue, as we try to keep our message boards a positive place to be.



Why is telling the truth about what happened not "positive"?
Sometimes it seems that if it's an ugly truth, even if told in a respectful manner (no name calling, etc) it's gonna get deleted...


*********Now back to more amusing matters:


I, personally, am holding the entire country of Poland responsible for this mess.




Well, I don't think that will matter because (and I quote from the other thread on this topic)

She's known in Poland as a bitch, but she don't give a damn about opinion in Poland





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Posted: 3/26/2013 10:47:21 AM
I received an answer from SC:

Hi Szreniawa! Thanks for sending this over to us. This pattern is actually quite popular and has been used or recreated by several paper manufacturers in the industry. To say that we had a copyright on a hand drawn chevron pattern would be going beyond our bounds. I'm sure you can understand that As much as we wish we could stake a claim on specific patterns, we simply can't claim to own chevrons, polka dots, stripes, etc.
Please let me know if there is anything else that I can do to help

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Posted: 3/26/2013 11:13:16 AM
Stealing and copying obviously happens in every industry--look at fashion. I think the reason it feels more like a betrayal in SB is because the marketing technique in this industry is "look at me, my kids, and my lifestyle," so you know so many more of the daily personal life details of designers in this industry than you do with respect to whomever is making your UGG knockoffs. Desires also go on message boards and personally interact with customers, as a technique to encourage sales. So, overall, you have access and interaction that you don't get in other industries to the same extent.
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