Amanda Knox to stand trial again according to Italian Supreme court..

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Posted: 3/26/2013 6:20:14 AM
I haven't followed it very closely, but it does seem such a tragedy.. I did think that there were people arrested prior to her and her boyfriend..

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Posted: 3/26/2013 6:26:54 AM
I just heard this. Talk about a nightmare!


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Posted: 3/26/2013 6:30:10 AM
I can't see the US extraditing her though.

An ongoing nightmare for Meredith's family, with no one brought to justice for her murder.

They're talking about new DNA I believe. Watch this space.....




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Posted: 3/26/2013 6:34:23 AM
I hadn't heard that, but what a nightmare for her and her family. I'd Go into hiding and change my identity. I'm surprised America would send her back, since we have Double Jeopardy.

I really never thought she did it, I haven't read anything lately, but I did when I was all over the news previously and their evidence and evidence collection was sketchy. I also think they pinpointed her from the start and wouldn't look elsewhere, even when they did it was for a conspiracy and not a new individual suspect. Now maybe she did do it, why I don't know, but their police work was questionable and I'd rather an guilty person go free, than an innocent person be locked up.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 6:52:44 AM
Wow, what a nightmare for everyone involved. I keep changing my mind as to whether or not she is guilty...just when I think she's innocent I hear a blurb that makes me think otherwise. I will be watching to see if she has to go back...i can't imagine the U.S would let her go.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 6:55:02 AM
Gar, but there is someone in jail whose DNA was at the scene and he confessed.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 7:26:39 AM
This is what i don't understand. They have a guy who confessed that he did it. Why do they keep going after Amanda and her boyfriend.
I don't know the whole story but I am getting she was gone in the timeframe it happened.
Also the crime scene was disturbed beyond being even useable or creditable anymore.
At this point I think the police and the investigation is corrupt. Trying to save face i would guess.
Her book comes out soon..and her boyfriends is out.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 7:32:19 AM
Doesn't double jeopardy only come into play if she is found Not Guilty? An acquittal doesn't count IIRC, but I'm open to correction.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 7:33:00 AM
I didn't have very positive thoughts about the Italian legal system before, but certainly this doesn't help.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 8:02:55 AM
Yes, I'm sorry, I'd forgotten about the convicted man.

I don't know about why they continue to pursue her but what do they need to save face for if they have a conviction?

I also have no great faith in the Italian legal system but perhaps his confession was not considered 'safe'...is his defence questioning that it was made under duress or some such idea possibly.

Meredith's family also seem to have some doubts about the conviction....they don't seem to feel that the case is closed, that there are still questions to be answered.

I'll be interested to see how it pans out.





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Posted: 3/26/2013 8:08:14 AM
I think the family of Merideth wants Amanda to be guily because then their daughter did nothing wrong-she was just in the wrong place at the worng time. With Rudy in jail, him being a drug dealer and such, says negative things about Merideth. This is a witch hunt and that procecutor is a piece of work, he gets a theory in his head and come hell or high water he is going to make the evidence fit his scenario. I can't imagine what Amanda is going through. Think how you would feel if you were accused of something you did not do and even spent 4 years in a forgein prison for it. I hope both families can find peace and move on from this.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 8:11:51 AM

Doesn't double jeopardy only come into play if she is found Not Guilty? An acquittal doesn't count IIRC, but I'm open to correction.



Double jeopardy doesn't come into play because there is no such law in Italy. Also, an Acquittal is the same thing as being found not guilty.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 8:28:08 AM
I don't think she is guilty of murder, but I have always thought she was not telling all she knew. I used to think she was guilty of murder, but the more I looked at their messed up police system and court system, I do think she was railroaded.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 8:30:23 AM
I came across this news story last night (before a decision was made). I'm really hoping the U.S. tells Italy to "stuff it" and refuses to send Knox back.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 8:43:16 AM

Doesn't double jeopardy only come into play if she is found Not Guilty?



Either way, there are ways around it. My ex-boyfriend was charged with his roommate's death in 2008, found not guilty and the DA re-opened the case a couple of months later based on new evidence. He was found not guilty again anyways.

I just don't get why they're going after her when Rudy Guede was convicted.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 8:52:05 AM

This is what i don't understand. They have a guy who confessed that he did it. Why do they keep going after Amanda and her boyfriend.
I don't know the whole story but I am getting she was gone in the timeframe it happened.
Also the crime scene was disturbed beyond being even useable or creditable anymore.
At this point I think the police and the investigation is corrupt. Trying to save face i would guess.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:00:57 AM
From the Seattle Times:

Italian law cannot compel Knox to return for the new trial, and her lawyer said she had no plans to do so. The appellate court hearing the new case could declare her in contempt of court but that carries no additional penalties.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 12:16:05 PM
So, if she does not go back for court, what happens if she is found guilty? Does she then have to go back?



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Posted: 3/26/2013 12:18:07 PM
Supposedly, she would have to go back. But that would also mean the USA would have to extradite her, which I cannot see happening.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 12:18:08 PM
Supposedly, she would have to go back. But that would also mean the USA would have to extradite her, which I cannot see happening.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 12:24:07 PM
I don't know why they're doing this. There isn't any new evidence, and the forensics were so screwed up, I can't see how a lot of it won't be thrown out or discredited.

I feel so bad for the victim's family, because I don't think they will ever know the whole truth of what happened to Meredith.

As for Amanda Knox, I have no idea if she is guilty or not, but I don't believe in the Italian government's form of court system.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 1:31:11 PM
She wasn't found innocent in 2011, there was an appeal against the conviction which was successful but the authorities immediately appealed against the appeal which is allowed. According to the prosecution the judge at the appeal court summarised the evidence during that appeal,improperly.

The court of cassation quashed the decision that was taken at the appeal court in 2011 so there is now going to be another appeal hearing. The double jeopardy law doesn't come into it in this case, she's not being tried again for the same crime, she's having her appeal against that original conviction re-heard because the appellate trial had not been properly conducted.

So technically she's still guilty as per the original trial.

I'm somehow torn with this case, part of me thinks she's guilty but beyond reasonable doubt? I'm not sure and I'm not likely to ever be as I don't have all the evidence. It's just a gut feeling that I have that she's guilty and if not she certainly knows more that she's telling.

One thing I am sure about, is that I find it grossly offensive and highly insensitive to receive in the region of $4m for writing a book about such a tragedy that resulted in someone else's horrific death.





I think the family of Merideth wants Amanda to be guily because then their daughter did nothing wrong-she was just in the wrong place at the worng time. .


Meredith's family want justice for their daughter and the true perpetrator caught, whoever that person is. How can Meredith be in the wrong place at the wrong time when she was actually in her own bedroom?


With Rudy in jail, him being a drug dealer and such, says negative things about Merideth


Would you care to enlighten us as to how this says negative things about Meredith? There has been no evidence to suggest that Meredith had anything to do with drugs.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 1:44:33 PM

One thing I am sure about, is that I find it grossly offensive and highly insensitive to receive in the region of $4m for writing a book about such a tragedy that resulted in someone else's horrific death.


I agree...but, I don't think she is using that money to live a lavish lifestyle or anything like that. I know her divorced parents took turns flying back and forth for YEARS to Italy so she wasn't alone. The Seattle Times did an article on them and how they had drained thier retirement funds to fund thier trips. No doubt she probably has a horrendous legal bill as well...




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Posted: 3/26/2013 1:44:34 PM

One thing I am sure about, is that I find it grossly offensive and highly insensitive to receive in the region of $4m for writing a book about such a tragedy that resulted in someone else's horrific death.


I agree...but, I don't think she is using that money to live a lavish lifestyle or anything like that. I know her divorced parents took turns flying back and forth for YEARS to Italy so she wasn't alone. The Seattle Times did an article on them and how they had drained thier retirement funds to fund thier trips. No doubt she probably has a horrendous legal bill as well...




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Posted: 3/26/2013 1:51:57 PM
I am not really bothered by her getting paid for her book. I am sure the amount of money spent on attorneys and cost to fly there and stay was huge. i saw some news story awhile ago that everyone in their family mortgaged their houses so she was not there alone. I could be wrong but I dont remember anyone saying it was all done pro bono.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:06:00 PM
Apparently the Italian justice system knows no shame.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:10:39 PM
From what I saw on a news channel this morning, her lawyer repeatedly said that she does not have to be present for whatever the Italian legal system is doing.

The newsperson would ask different questions and he would repeat that she did not have to be present.





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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:20:35 PM
When you read all the details of the case, including the interviews, it's very hard not to conclude that she and Sollecito were covering up and that even if they themselves didn't commit the murder, they certainly had some sort of involvement . I think it's important to note that Amanda Knox was found guilty of defaming Patrick Lumumba. In other words - she will be a convicted felon for life. So for her to go round making money off the back of this and the murder itself is frankly surreal. Deep down, she will know that the US won't extradite her (even if found guilty), thus she will become a millionaire at the end of it. Funny how the world works.


I'm still firmly of the opinion that she got away with murder.
Too many strange things, also what was her explanation for falsely accusing Patrick Lumumba (sp)?

I feel for Meredith's family in all of this, over 5 years on they still haven't had full justice for her.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:32:35 PM
I've read the transcripts and while I don't think she is guilty of murder, IMHO she is guilty for not telling eeverything she knows. I feel sorry for everyone involved, but especially Meredith's family.

As a parent, I can't imagine how I would put one foot after the other if something happened to my son.

I also believe that if she really is guilty, she'll answer to a higher power someday.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 3:18:33 PM
I think Knox & her boyfriend are innocent. I didn't for a long time but I do now.

Why? What's the motive...are we really supposed to believe the crazed sex orgy turned to murder story - which left 0 DNA?

There's virtually NO DNA.

The confession? The girl spoke crappy Italian. The was questioned for HOURS, passed the point of exhaustion, all while being called a dumb liar & the police suggesting over & over that they KNEW it was Patrick. It is said Knox STILL didn't know she was implicating herself when she signed the paper because she was 1. naive & 2. spoke shitty Italian.

On the other hand, a guy who makes his living as a petty thief lives downstairs & ADMITS to being in the apartment.
He leaves the country after the murder.
He changes his story umpteem times & finally implicates Knox & her boyfriend when he realizes how much lighter his sentence will be.
The theory I've read about him:

He broke in, took a giant poop in their toliet. Meredith returns home & he can't flush because it will make a sound.

He might have tried to sneak out, but is caught. Knowing Meredith recognizes him, he panics & kills her.

He then steals very little, but does steal her keys...not for a car, but to get out of the house, it was dead bolted & you had to use a key from the inside to get out.

This guy has admits he was there. This guy fled the country. This guy had motive. And this guy probably had DNA everywhere, but the police completely botched that.

I see no reason to think Knox & her boyfriend were involved.

It just doesn't make sense to me.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 3:46:11 PM
I am not convinced they are innocent.

I heard on the radio report today that in her first testimony disallowed due to not having a lawyer, she said she was in the kitchen and had to cover her ears because of Meredith's screams.

Another report claimed that Knox returned from Sollecito's apartment at 9am the next morning and went to the bathroom which was covered in blood and took a shower before calling the police.

Throughout she has behaved bizarrely.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 4:37:44 PM

I don't know about why they continue to pursue her but what do they need to save face for if they have a conviction?

I think because the Italian media convinced the Italian people that Amanda was a "slut" and that she was involved. I think the victim's family also pushes for it.

I love Italy but their justice system leaves a lot to be desired. I read "Monster of Florence" about a serial killer case that spanned decades in Italy. The investigations and prosecutions were jokes in that case as well. One of the authors was with the media and he was allowed unsupervised access to police information/evidence, and published stories based on that.

It gets very convoluted the way they allow things to happen over there and there are a lot of power trippers. I don't think it's possible to know the entire truth at this point. (But I believe Amanda is innocent).



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Posted: 3/26/2013 5:27:56 PM
Those that believe Amanda Knox is guilty along with Raffaele Sollecito obviously have not read WHY their conviction was overturned as another PP said Zero/Zed/Nada DNA that connected either of them to the compromised murder scene. Not to mention the character assignation of Knox in the media and by her former Italian roommates -- the fact that one of the "star" witnesses of the prosecution, the Italian roommate identified only as Filomena, whose room was used as an entry point was allowed into her room where the broken entry window was (she first claimed she left the window and shutter ajar then changed when it was obvious that iron railing below made it the perfect entry) and went through her belongings and gave an original statement that AK and MK were friends and the changed her stories prior to the trial when she was "re-interviewed" and gave her official testimony.

Also, Rudy Guede's DNA was all over Kercher, her room, his bloody shoe prints were there, his poop in the toilet, and most damning a bloody handprint in Kercher's blood on a pillow.

There are several non-biased articles as well as several very biased ones for and against Knox online but the most reviling comments I've seen is how Rudy Guede's sentence was reduce because he "apologized" to the Kercher family implicating Knox and Sollecito in his crime and that is why they "believe" that there is truth to the insane prosecution of the 2 people who reported the crime.

Also, this is not unusual for the Italian Police and Prosecutors either, Douglas Preston (the writer) was living in Italy while researching the story of The Monster of Florence and he was threatened with being prosecuted for murders that he could not have possibly been involved in as was his Italian co-writer, Mario Spezi with the same "Devil Worshiper" allegations for *their* crimes.

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Posted: 3/27/2013 8:51:02 AM
I don't know whether Amanda Knox is guilty or not but I definitely appreciate the American justice system a lot more after seeing her ordeal over in Italy. I'm guessing she's probably guilty of something, maybe not even anything as bad as murder or being an accessory to murder but the way the press over there has handled the case I think it will be hard for people to see her as innocent even if she is.


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