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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:02:16 AM
I just had a Jehovah's Witness ring my damn doorbell, with a clearly marked no soliciting sign on it. She woke me up, because I worked until 2am last night and then had the gall to tell me that the sign doesn't include religious people. It sure does lady, leave me alone. She would not give up, so I closed the door and walked away. So freaking irritating.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:09:42 AM
That is horrible that you were woken up by this.

Hope you can still get some rest.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:10:09 AM
That is so rude. If that had been me she woke up, I would have gotten her name and the name of her church then I would be calling in a formal complaint. Ain't nobody got time for that!



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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:10:10 AM
And I will never forget a post here by another pea that said that she actually would knock on those doors on purpose because they need the it more.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:10:15 AM
I'm so sorry. I can't stand them, I am sorry if it offends anyone, but it's true. Our area is mostly Catholic/atheist, and they come every freaking weekend. And when I try to tell them I've already been saved by Jesus they tell me that it's not possible. Eff you, ladies. How dare you disturb my peace AND insult my religious beliefs.


And I will never forget a post here by another pea that said that she actually would knock on those doors on purpose because they need the it more.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:14:25 AM
Ugghh! They show up at my house all the time. About a year ago I told them to not come back. It was always these 2 middle age ladies. They stopped coming but then an elderly gentleman started showing up. He came about 3 weeks ago when I was home sick with the stomach flu. I always felt bad about interupting him since he was so old. But I didn't feel well so I was probably a little more harsh than necessary.....


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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:15:00 AM
So glad I don't have that happening too often. And it's usally on a weekend, in the middle of the day when it does happen, so it's not a biggie.

Being woken up is my absolute biggest pet peeve. I would NOT have been polite to that lady. But then again, I probalby owulnd't have answered the door in the first place.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:16:30 AM

And I will never forget a post here by another pea that said that she actually would knock on those doors on purpose because they need the it more.


Did she ever say that was her reasoning? I remember asking her why in the world she would say/do such a thing, but not getting a response.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:21:51 AM
I just made a no soliciting sign yesterday.

Unless you sell Thin Mints....

NO SOLICITING

We do not want to buy anything
We know who we are voting for
We are happy with our religion
We already donate to our own charity

Thank You.






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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:22:24 AM
It includes wanting no one soliciting! Them included. No means No! Is there someone you can report them too? There was an article once about a township would only let people solicit if they got a permit and only visited the houses on a list that said they wanted to be visited. That would be wonderful to have! That way the people who like soliciters will have them and the soliciters won't waste time with people who don't want them to come by.

Sorry they messed up your sleep! I have never had Catholics come to our door and I thank them for that! (Another thing I love about the Catholic church).

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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:22:32 AM
Haha! I thought the thread title referred to 2peas.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:42:57 AM
This is one reason I'm thankful I live in a dead end. Most people don't even know its there. And if they do wander down in it, it's because they are lost. We get maybe one or two solicitos a year, usually lawn service or the people who spray paint house numbers on curbs. We've only had one religious group show up, the ones that wear the black suit and ties and ride bicycles? I just shut the door.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:45:02 AM
I don't even open the door when they knock/ring the bell as they are such a pain to get rid of that you usually have to just shut the door on them.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 9:48:37 AM
Ugh, I hate being woken up by an unexpected knock at the door.

I've never actually encountered a rude or pushy religious sales person at my door. As soon as I see they are trying to sell me their religion, I just say very politely and cheerfully, "no thanks! we're not interested!" and then close the door very gently.







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Posted: 3/26/2013 10:17:36 AM
My neighbor has a sign on her door that reads:

Unless you are selling Girl Scout cookies, go away. That includes anyone trying to talk to me about any deity, religion or charitable organization.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 10:47:05 AM
I'm sorry that happened to you. I would have been really annoyed by it!

Now that the warm weather is coming, I'm sure we'll have solicitors again. UGH! My doorbell actually broke last year before the spring and I let it remain broken until summer ended just because I didn't want to be annoyed by salespeople. But then it got fixed in the fall, so I guess I will have to deal with them again.



Unless you sell Thin Mints....

NO SOLICITING

We do not want to buy anything
We know who we are voting for
We are happy with our religion
We already donate to our own charity


I think I am going to copy this and hang it on my door!


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Posted: 3/26/2013 10:52:17 AM
That is just wrong! I'm glad we live in an area that hardly gets any solicitors!


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Posted: 3/26/2013 11:04:26 AM
[/quote]I have never had Catholics come to our door and I thank them for that! (Another thing I love about the Catholic church).[/quote]

That's because the Catholic religion does not believe in sending people door to door trying to convert others. They only want you to come join because you chose to come on your own.

I think the only religions who come door to door are Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 11:29:11 AM

That's because the Catholic religion does not believe in sending people door to door trying to convert others. They only want you to come join because you chose to come on your own.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Catholic church, but this cracked me up. A string of missions in California (just one of many gazillion possible examples) says you're wrong.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 11:34:44 AM
I don't even give them a chance to get started on their spiel. No discussion. I just smile, say no thank you, and close the door.

But I do ALWAYS answer the doorbell. I don't ever want to give some unknown person at the door the idea that no one's home. I've been laughed at here for saying that, but I think any cop will tell you the same thing.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 11:57:11 AM
I have seen so many of those signs on the front of people's houses. I like the idea, but I also hate that people have gotten to a point where they have to have a sign up at their own home to be left alone. I'm mainly talking about the religious ones who don't leave you alone even after you have politely asked that group not to come back.

Things are so different than they used to be and there really is no need for as many door to door sales as there are now. (I would only buy cookies, but then again I know if I want them, they are outside of the grocery store selling them too.) Which is probably a lot safer than going door to door also.

Sorry they woke you up. I would be so angry!


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Posted: 3/26/2013 12:09:59 PM
DH does not get home until 4 am and normally has dinner around 5 am. then off to bed around 6 am. they normally show up around 9-10 am and wakes him up. This summer if I could get away with letting the kids out each time to have a water balloon fight and nail them . It would be great. Right now i just open to see who it is and then shut it .


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Posted: 3/26/2013 12:21:45 PM
We have a very harsh soliciting sign on our door and they still stopped at the door and my husband asked them if they could read. Their response was that they weren't selling anything. He told them they were trying to sell him their religion and to stop coming to our door. I'm sure he said more but we haven't seen anyone since.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 12:40:36 PM

A string of missions in California (just one of many gazillion possible examples) says you're wrong.


Yup, my DH's grandparents (all four of them) were forced off Indian reservations to live/work at the missions and get converted.

We don't get many door-to-door religious people, but I've noticed the Mormons will leave politely while the Jehovah's Witnesses tend to be more persistent.

When I used to be religious, in high school, I went to an evangelical church and one time the youth leaders took us to the mall and we were supposed to go up to people and proselytize to them. I was mortified even then!

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Posted: 3/26/2013 12:41:55 PM
We have a no soliciting sign and that has cut way down on the number of interruptions we get by sales people, etc. When someone peddling religion shows up on my porch it annoys me but I also kind of admire their dedication because I know I couldn't handle the kind of rejection they face daily. It has to be difficult for them.

I am agonostic so when they come to my door, I do say, while I admire your passion and dedication I am not interested and I close my door.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 1:24:25 PM
The religious groups here apparently know that it applies to them - there is a city ordinance here preventing solicitation; if you've got a "No Solicitation or Handbills" sign on your door you can file a complaint with the city about any business or group that rings the bell anyway or leaves something, and they will be fined.

Of course there were the scammers last year that I talked to through the door (my DH works out of town during the week, I do not open the door for anyone); they wanted to mow the lawn (in November) for $20 for a mission trip to Six Flags through my church (taking underprivileged kids). I told them that I'm a church member and there wasn't any such trip, and asked if they knew what "No Soliciting" meant? The kid said no and I said "It means get off my porch and property before I call the police, thanks." Harsh, but effective.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 1:28:39 PM

We have a no soliciting sign and that has cut way down on the number of interruptions we get by sales people, etc. When someone peddling religion shows up on my porch it annoys me but I also kind of admire their dedication because I know I couldn't handle the kind of rejection they face daily. It has to be difficult for them.


See and honestly I don't admire it at all. In this country everyone has heard of Christianity, we know what it is and where to go to worship that if we choose. I don't need someone intruding my space to tell me how their way is the only right way. This is my home, my sanctuary. Leave me alone. I need to put a pentacle back up on my door.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 1:35:57 PM
Tell them that you're Jewish. No, really.

I *am* actually Jewish and that's usually my excuse: "No thank you; I'm Jewish." For whatever reason it works. Maybe the folks who come to my door aren't very persistant.




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Posted: 3/26/2013 1:47:21 PM


That's because the Catholic religion does not believe in sending people door to door trying to convert others. They only want you to come join because you chose to come on your own.



Don't get me wrong, I love the Catholic church, but this cracked me up. A string of missions in California (just one of many gazillion possible examples) says you're wrong.
I will point out that those missions were built in the 1700s.

Even then the Catholic Missionaries didn't so much go 'door to door' as build a mission and provide education and healthcare in order to bring people into the missions. That's what Catholic missionaries still do today... Mother Theresa started the Missionaries of Charity to provide services for the poor... not to go door to door and wake up strangers.

In the West - particularly in America door to door missionary work has never been a Catholic practice and has most assuredly not been one in the last 100 years.




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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:10:10 PM
I have always thought the signs were tacky but I guess in my old age I don't care anymore. We have had way too many highly aggressive sales people of late - AT&T and I am just sick of it. We also have a lot of people trying to convert us. We get all denominations - Mormons (don't mind them so much as they are always polite), JW, Baptists and others. I don't mind the kids coming to the door but it is usually an adult and they just don't take no for an answer and I hate to just close the door on them but sometimes they just won't stop talking. I usually try to not answer but like others have said that is how the bad guys figure out if someone is home so I have started answering my door.

I just printed this out to put on my door. Now if the do not call list really worked I would be such a happy camper - I hate auto dialers.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:11:13 PM
My DH cleverly installed the sprinkler system at our last home for just this purpose. When we saw them coming, he would call out "zone 2" and just like that a shower would appear across the sidewalk.

Few solicitors (religious or otherwise) want to get wet and few return once they have gotten wet.

Childish? Maybe. But makes for peaceful days at home!

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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:20:13 PM
If my door is knocked on during the day (most people would assume I'm not here) I will crawl to the piece of furniture closest to the door and peek around to see who it is. Funny, I was gone today and sure enough, they had come by for a reading! whew!

We get either the jw, yard people, or the dreaded young men who are selling books/magazines to "better themselves".....I HATE those dooods.

Last time one of those guys came to my door, I said no. Five minutes later another guy came to the door and I said, "a dude was just here selling the same thing". He acted all shocked and surprised. He asked for a description, and in Seinfeld fashion I said, "tan skin, big eyes, bad teeth"...and when I left the house five min later, they were talking at the end of the road. They were together. I was convinced I'd be killed in my sleep.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:25:18 PM
Along one of my walks in town, I saw a lab puppy statue holding a bone with a sign hanging from it. One side said 'Welcome,' the other said 'Go Away.' (It's my regular walking route.)

I thought it was cute with the 'Welcome' sign. I wanted one when I saw the 'Go Away.'

Have never found one.

I would think that 'Go Away' should work. No justifying in one's mind that it doesn't apply to them, as it applies to everyone.

Sorry your sleep was interrupted! Too bad you don't know where they live. Knocking on their door at 3am would be sweet payback.





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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:26:49 PM

I have always thought the signs were tacky but I guess in my old age I don't care anymore.


Can I ask why you found them tacky? I have never heard that before.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:38:29 PM
They haven't been back since I scared one of their new recruits. This older gentleman would pop in maybe every 4-6 weeks "training" some new recruit (obvious). The last time this young woman was about to have a panic attack. OK, it was my day off and my hair was a little on the messy side, but I'm really not that scary. I was thinking maybe my cross hanging on the door was a little much for her as were my seasonal decorations (up a couple months early). I then go to the bathroom and look into the mirror. I had on my blood donor Tshirt. Poor woman. They quit coming.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:40:38 PM
Google has revealed the answer (as usual):

Simply say, "I was a Jehovah's Witness myself; in fact, I was a Special Pioneer before I was disfellowshipped." Say that to a JW and they'll never come back.

Using the right jargon is crucial. Full-time door-to-door workers are called "Regular Pioneers." Full-time door-knockers who have stricter quotas are called "Special Pioneers." The door-to-door work is called "the Service", and anyone who rejects the JW message is called a "goat."

JWs can be disfellowshipped for many different reasons, including speaking to a disfellowshipped Witness, celebrating Christmas, reciting the pledge of allegiance, joining the military, or running for political office. Fellow members are then required to shun him or her completely, having no contact even if the disfellowshipped person is a family member. One former elder was even excommunicated for speaking out on sexual abuse.
Not to keen on out-and-out lying, but, if it would get. them. to. stop...I might consider it.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:48:37 PM
Gah!

I tell those people that I worship Satan. It really does get them to leave me alone.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:58:20 PM

I went to an evangelical church and one time the youth leaders took us to the mall and we were supposed to go up to people and proselytize to them.


My youngest half sister joined one of those places a couple of years ago. Then she wonders why she and her new husband cannot find jobs. Well, when you go to the mall supposedly to fill out applications, and the managers see you talking to their customers about Jesus, they don't want to hire you.

Seriously, one of the things they do with their new recruits is go to a place like Wicker Park (hipster central) on a Sat night, stand on a street corner, and yell into a megaphone how everyone is going to Hell. SHE thinks this is FUN.



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Posted: 3/26/2013 2:59:28 PM
Yep and it never ceases to amaze me how many people ignore it.

We get the people who sell meat and the missionary people. Both think that the no soliciting sign doesn't apply to them. They also seem to think that the no trespassing sign doesn't apply to them. The JW explained that they don't take up money at services so they aren't selling anything and they don't expect any money from me. Still doesn't explain how the trespassing sign doesn't apply to them. lol


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Posted: 3/26/2013 3:05:06 PM

She would not give up, so I closed the door and walked away.
I wonder if she may have been trying to provoke exactly that reaction so she could go back to her group and be congratulated on the persecution she received. You know, the whole "I was persecuted for Jesus" deal.

Could explain why she didn't bother listening to you in the first place.

It would be interesting if they could see what genuine persecution looks like.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 3:08:52 PM
Our mezuzah usually dissuades the JW's , but they tried another tactic on mr the other day. I usually never open the door, but anyway, They saw the mezuzah and said something like " your neighbors were interested in this" - and they pulled out the watchtower with Moses's picture on the cover, holding the ten commandments tablet.
I said I know all I need to know about this- and said goodbye

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Posted: 3/26/2013 3:14:12 PM
I know that Catholics have missionaries- I know one who did that in a third world country.

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Posted: 3/26/2013 3:14:25 PM
On the rare occasion we get JW's at the door, I just don't answer the door. I do not feel obligated whatsoever to open my door to strangers, nevermind have an awkward conversation with them.

My brother who lives elsewhere used to get them every weekend. He finally put out a "No soliciting" sign and added with a sharpie "or JW's". Terrible that that's actually necessary after repeatedly asking them not to come back, but it worked.


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Posted: 3/26/2013 3:17:32 PM

that you're Jewish. No, really.

I *am* actually Jewish and that's usually my excuse: "No thank you; I'm Jewish." For whatever reason it works. Maybe the folks who come to my door aren't very persistant.

I would never tell them I'm Jewish. It's none of their business what my beliefs are. "No, thank you"/close the door works great.


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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
--Bertrand Russell



KikiNichole

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Posted: 3/26/2013 3:20:17 PM

I wonder if she may have been trying to provoke exactly that reaction so she could go back to her group and be congratulated on the persecution she received. You know, the whole "I was persecuted for Jesus" deal.


I try never to be disrespectful or unpleasant and I'm even friendly when someone knocks on my door wanting to share with me their religion. For a time.

But I also expect the same in return and if I smile and say 'No thank you, I have a church' then I expect that to be the end of the conversation. Otherwise, I, too, will shut the door.

And if someone feels persecuted because I do, I think they need to look up the word persecution.



~Kristen~

sweetandsour
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Posted: 3/26/2013 3:26:16 PM

Simply say, "I was a Jehovah's Witness myself; in fact, I was a Special Pioneer before I was disfellowshipped." Say that to a JW and they'll never come back.

ITA. My coworker's boyfriend is an ex-JW who was disfellowshipped because he supposedly had an extramarital affair (NOT with my coworker). His ex-wife and her family had very strong ties to the JW and when they started having marital problems, they got him disfellowshipped and they divorced. When the JWs came to her new place, she said that she was living with a disfellowshipped JW member, and they have never come back

I used to pretend that I didn't speak English. However, the last time they came, I politely told them (in perfect English LOL) I wasn't interested and tried to close the door, but one of the JW ladies stuck their foot in the door to prevent me from closing it. I slammed it closed anyway. I think her nearly-crushed foot has put me on the permanent "do not visit" list because that was 7 years ago.


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benem
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Posted: 3/26/2013 4:19:46 PM
Oh thank you Lindy! I have wondered on and off what those little things are but I couldn't look it up when I didn't know the word.

Fascinating. I looked up mezuzot and they are beautiful. I was kind of wondering about HOAs or landlords that don't allow you to put stuff on the doorway, bc my old HOA sure wouldn't. So wikipedia tells me this:

In Chicago in 2001, the condominium association at the 378-unit Shoreline Towers adopted a rule banning “mats, boots, shoes, carts or objects of any sort… outside unit entrance doors”, which by board vote in 2004 was interpreted to be absolute. Relying on the Association rule, during 2004 Shoreline Towers management removed the hallway mezuzot of condominium tenants, resulting in letters from Jewish groups which unsuccessfully protested the rule. Complaints by Shoreline Towers tenants were subsequently filed with the Chicago Commission on Human Relations, Illinois Attorney General, and U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, alleging housing discrimination on the basis of religion[11] and seeking damages. Meanwhile, a newspaper report indicated that Shoreline Towers was not the sole condominium association in Chicago with such a restriction, although one of them soon agreed to modify its rule.

On reading a news report of the mezuzah dispute at Shoreline Towers, Chicago alderman Burton Natarus, like other Jewish observers of the development, was upset by the ban. He sat down and drafted an amendment to the city’s Municipal Code which made it illegal for a renter or owner of an apartment, house, or condo to be prohibited from "placing or affixing a religious sign, symbol or relic on the door, door post or entrance." Although there was opposition to such a move, it became law in Chicago that December. The first such legislation in North America, it included a maximum $500 fine for its violation.

Notwithstanding this legislation, court action continued concerning separate complaints against Shoreline Towers for its rule affecting mezuzot. In 2006, a federal court judge determined that the condominium association’s rule did not violate the Federal Fair Housing Act; the district court upheld the opinion on appeal in 2008; in 2009, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit in Chicago reversed the 2008 decision, and the case proceeded. Meanwhile during the dispute, records of the Chicago Jewish Star (which had been reporting on the case) were unsuccessfully subpoenaed, and for the first time Illinois’ anti-SLAPP legislation was applied. In 2011, a confidential settlement to the Shoreline Towers disputes was finally achieved.

In 2006, a more narrowly-focused amendment to the state’s Condominium Property Act was initiated by Illinois Senator Ira Silverstein, the first such state law.
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A side topic but baby I HATE condominium associations. I LOATHE them.



ilovecookies
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Posted: 3/26/2013 4:30:48 PM

I don't even open the door when they knock/ring the bell as they are such a pain to get rid of that you usually have to just shut the door on them.


Very true.

One of the best ways to get rid of them for good is to follow the advice that MizIndependent quoted. The right jargon makes a huge difference with the JWs.

The two best ways to get rid of them permanently are to say something about being disfellowshipped or to say or imply that you are into devil worship or demons or witchcraft. Invite them in to participate in your Satanic ritual, or something like that. It's usually an effective way to scare them off.

You can also call the "Kingdom Hall," speak to an "elder," and tell them that you want your address taken off their "territory maps" permanently, or you'll be filing complaints with the local authorities every time that JWs disturb you at your home in the future. Make sure you have a No Soliciting sign up, too. Although many "congregations" do actively tell their members that they are exempt from those signs because they don't require $ for literature. Bullshit. You could also make some copies of the dictionary definition and hand it to them when they argue with you about soliciting.

It's beyond assholian to argue with someone who's asking you not to disturb them at their home

scrappower
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Posted: 3/26/2013 4:57:10 PM

And I will never forget a post here by another pea that said that she actually would knock on those doors on purpose because they need the it more.

You don't say? Feeling a little bored are you, scrappower? What's the favorite saying here? Like a dog with a bone.


Oh are you jealous little troll? Poor baby.



scrappower
Allons-y Alonso

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Posted: 3/26/2013 5:04:08 PM
Sure you aren't, you just keep trying to tell yourself that. You are just such a brave soul trying to call me out for something that is non-existent and you can't even do it under your real name. Go you!


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