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Posted 4/12/2013 by Luvnlifelady in NSBR Board
 

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Posted: 4/12/2013 7:51:15 PM
My DD is in 10th grade and this is the first I've heard about it.

In her regular chemistry class, it's worth at least 2 regular test scores (from what I remember her saying).

In regular Algebra 2, if she scores advanced (which she normally does), she gets an "A" in the class.

I find this surprising since we only have 7 weeks left of school and while they start testing next week, the math one isn't for at least 2 weeks. We don't receive state test results until August, so I'm surprised they would have them in time for report cards in early June. (maybe it just takes the district awhile to process the whole test and distribute to parents)

Does the state test tie into class grades for your child?

ETA: Part of me wonders if this is actually happening or the teachers are just trying to entice the kids? How would they have the results that quickly?

In middle school, state test results can result in one less elective the following year to allow an extra language arts or math class.




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Posted: 4/12/2013 7:54:57 PM
No. The tests were due this week to the state from the districts and we won't know the results until late July, early August.

The 3rd grade test scores will be back before the end of the year, but will not affect their grades.


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Posted: 4/12/2013 7:58:33 PM
That is not coming from the state. It may be your district or more likely your school or department.

Dd's school does not allow it.

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Posted: 4/12/2013 7:59:13 PM
I also live in California and we never know the test results until late August or early September. How can the teachers base grades on these tests? Is your school doing something wonky?

My DS and I were just talking about the tests today because he starts them next week. DS is a freshman in honors classes and the tests have no bearing on his grades whatsoever.



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Posted: 4/12/2013 8:01:11 PM
No.

My son is in middle school, but grades statewide are submitted at all levels before state testing results are available.

(ETA- I teach elementary and I don't even look at their state standardized tests other than to make sure that their bubbles are filled in. At all. I just don't want to know. I know that they are more than a 6 hour snapshot of random questions. I know them better than a scantron.)

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Posted: 4/12/2013 8:02:42 PM
No. But if you don't pass the state test you might have to repeat the class...you need a C or better in the class and a passing grade on the test.


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Posted: 4/12/2013 8:13:38 PM
My DD is in 8th grade, and it is her first time taking standardized tests. She has applied for the AICE program at her High School, and they are wanting to see her FCAT scores before offering her a place on the course. But I think that this is due more to her lack of report card history (this is her first year in the American school system) rather than linking it to her grades. They are wanting scores or 4 or 5 in reading and math. They will find out in June what her scores are and then place her accordingly in either AICE or a standard 9th grade schedule.


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Posted: 4/12/2013 8:30:50 PM
We have EOC tests in 4 different subject areas. Those scores are 20% of the score for the class. We get those scores back in about a week. The tests are all given in the 2nd week of May, so all course content has to be taught by that time.

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Posted: 4/12/2013 8:36:05 PM
In my state, at high school level, End of Course (EOC) exams count in place of state tests.




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Posted: 4/12/2013 8:39:58 PM
No, they're unrelated here. I wonder if your school ties the tests in to grades to encourage the kids to put effort into the tests. Our district pretty much begs the kids to do a good job, since their test performance affects the district and they know the kids have little incentive to do well on them.

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Posted: 4/12/2013 9:00:45 PM
Here, state End of Course assessments either factor into the final grade or result in a pass/fail situation for some classes (like Algebra 1, Geometry, Biology).


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Posted: 4/12/2013 9:09:45 PM

That is not coming from the state. It may be your district or more likely your school or department.


If she's in Texas it is coming from the state. It began with last year's freshman, so her kid is in the first lucky class.

ETA-it counts as 15% of the final grade, I think.


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Posted: 4/12/2013 9:18:15 PM

If she's in Texas it is coming from the state.


The OP is from California and state scores are not factored into grades.



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Posted: 4/12/2013 9:41:59 PM

The OP is from California and state scores are not factored into grades.


Oh, sorry!! I missed that detail.


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Posted: 4/13/2013 12:26:55 AM
Yes, our schools here started that last year. It's a percentage of their final grade. Eeeek - makes me nervous, as our big yearly testing period begins in a week!



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Posted: 4/13/2013 1:08:57 PM
No, not at our schools here in MV
Maybe they're just telling the kids that so they'll take the test seriously.
Often times the kids know the scores really mean nothing to them so they don't bother trying
Because really, the tests only show of the teachers and the school are doing their jobs.
They don't effect the kids in any way.


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Posted: 4/13/2013 1:20:57 PM
Texas deferred the EOC's 15% stake last year and this year.

My oldest DS is a current freshman so all these new STAAR test implications are effecting him.

He took an EOC last year as an 8th grader bc he was in a high school level math class (Algebra I). That test did not count 15% then either.


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Posted: 4/13/2013 1:31:16 PM
When DS was younger one if his teachers told the class that the president sees their scores to try to get them to do well.
The sad thing is, lots if those kids believed that and got do stressed about it.
5 years after she told them that many if them still believed it (in middle school)


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Posted: 4/13/2013 2:20:39 PM
I think that is total wrong! I am a former teacher and hate what the states are doing to the students and teachers with all this darn state testing. Some kids are great students but not good test takers. They shouldn't be penalized twice (by having a low score on a state test and then a low score in class also). Grr!!!

Around here, they are starting to make teachers salary / tenure dependent on how well his/her students do on the test. Again, I disagree with this. You can be the greatest teacher in the world, teach all the right stuff and still have students struggle with the test.

I taught in 2 of the 7 elementary schools in the district I used to work in. The first school was made up of mostly middle class families. Most of the moms were sahm and many came up to the school a lot to help out in the classrooms or the PTO, etc. The classes that I taught in that school passed the test with high scores each year. Then I was on maternity leave and when I went back, was sent to a building on the other side of town. Many of my students came from homes where the parents did drugs, were in jail (or prison), had homes in such poor condition that the kids would say that mice were crawling all over them while they tried to sleep, had parents that were so drunk or stoned they didn't get up in the morning to get them off to school, feed them breakfast or pack their lunches, let alone ever make an appearance at the school to help out or even for parent teacher conferences.

These students did not do well on the testing (not just my classes but all the others in the same grade level). The principal would ream us out and yell at us about "What are you going to do to guarantee these kids pass this test?!" We were coming in early and staying late offering free extra tutoring (many parents did not take advantage of this. We skipped our lunches and recesses to do interventions. I was there at 7 am every morning (school started at 9:05) and stayed until at least 5:00 (school ended at 3) to prepare plans for intervention, etc. Yet, these kids still did not pass. When we tried to explain to the principal that we were doing the best we could, but that when you have kids who didn't sleep well the night before the big state test because mom / dad were beating each other up, the kid didn't have breakfast because a parent was too high to get it, the kid didn't have anything to eat because parent spent grocery money on cigs and booze, and on and on and on, and parents weren't following through with ways to help out at home with the things the kids struggled with, she would yell at us "Don't you dare blame the parents for this. If these kids fail, it will be YOUR (me and my team mates) fault!"

So, yeah, if my pay was being based on that, I'd be pretty pissed.

This is why I got out of teaching. Too much stress, not doing anything like what I was taught in college.

Dumb tests!!!


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Posted: 4/13/2013 6:16:29 PM
No, it does not affect their grades, but they do have to pass a test to graduate. They start taking it as sophomores so they have several chances to take it.


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Posted: 4/13/2013 6:35:41 PM
The state tests mean nothing. The grades come in the mail in July. They have no effect on grades for this year.


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Posted: 4/13/2013 7:52:21 PM
Students grades are not tied to test scores but ironically, the teacher's evaluation/pay is based on them. Fair, isn't it?
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