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Posted: 6/21/2013 9:38:19 PM

There is a part of me that feels this is justified and another part thinks it's too harsh. The NFL (National Felons League) has players who have done much worse and most of America is so quick to forgive and move on. IDK maybe a double standard.


I think the NFL (and I agree with your description) has a different standard for their image than the Food Network.


Jay Smooth would really like you to stop making the "there is a double standard about the n word" argument.


OMG please watch the video she linked. To me, the 'double standard' argument is so ridiculous I don't even know how to respond to it. He does it well in the video.


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Posted: 6/21/2013 9:45:14 PM

Jay Smooth would really like you to stop making the "there is a double standard about the n word" argument.

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Posted: 6/21/2013 9:49:47 PM

Jay Smooth would really like you to stop making the "there is a double standard about the n word" argument.

the n word


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This is the first time I have ever seen this man, but I want to marry him and have his babies!! Awesome video.


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Posted: 6/21/2013 9:55:26 PM
I'm shocked that she was fired!


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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:00:51 PM

There is a part of me that feels this is justified and another part thinks it's too harsh. The NFL (National Felons League) has players who have done much worse and most of America is so quick to forgive and move on. IDK maybe a double standard.


I think the NFL (and I agree with your description) has a different standard for their image than the Food Network.


I also agree that NFL players get away with way too much but I will say if it were an NFL announcer/commentator, they would be and have been fired for it. I guess they are seen more of a representation of the league and of the network.


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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:04:24 PM

The word is horrible when Paula Deen uses it.
The word is still horrible when anyone else uses it.


I guess I just don't feel it's my place, as a white woman, to tell black people what to be offended by. If they say it offends them when white
people say it but doesn't offend them when black people do, then that's their reality.


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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:11:54 PM
I'm with Basketdiva too. So her problem was saying it where others can hear and videotape her. I guarantee she isn't the only racist on/at Foodnetwork.

ETA: when we stop worshipping celebrities and elevating them to a God like status then maybe we won't be so surprised when it turns out that they are flawed like everyone else. Off to read more about the case. i reserve the right to change my mind about things onve I know more. Now that guy who managed her restaurant is a disgusting pig!
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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:13:52 PM
She'll be back. Remember Don Imus? I think He got fired and then months later, rehired. I think food network needed to take a stand but she also brings ad revenue to the network so it will be interesting if they keep her off the air.



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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:17:31 PM

Paula Deen's life and career aren't 'ruined.' But all the drama and hyperbole is certainly expected when you consider the source


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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:19:56 PM
I have two thoughts about this topic. First, I personally do not like when anyone- white, black, or other- uses the n word. But, on the other hand, I can kind of understand black rappers and others using it. By them taking something that was used against them and using it as their own, they are taking the power away from the oppressive people who used it against them. So, while I am really not too keen on hearing them use it, I don't think it is my, or any other white person's, decision to make.

Second, if there is anything positive to come from this whole situation, it is that maybe it will help everyone realize just how powerful and hurtful words can be. And, that maybe we'll all try to be a little more thoughtful and kind to each other.

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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:20:58 PM
Oh God, Karalynn. Please stop speaking about what black people do and don't condone.

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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:22:06 PM
"I am not defending her becuase I do not know her and what she says in private. Just making a general comment on the situation. If proof cxomes out that her business was run the way the lawsuit implies, then I will change my mind.

ITA... if the lawsuit came back with not good for her then it would be different. Way overreaction. If she had been saying it currently and using it on air or in the restaurants it might be different we don't know the circumstances yet."

Excuse quotes, don't know to do quotes from iPhone. Just wanted to point out that these are things she has already admitted in her deposition, a statement made under oath as if in a court of law. That's not something that to be proven true, she already admitted saying it and in the way distant past.

Food Network, for it's bottom line, had to not renew her contract. Viewers would not look at her the same regardless of when she said it.
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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:24:19 PM
im glad she's gone. I do like her sons though, so hopefully they didn't learn negative racist lessons from mom.

It has been a huge discussion in this country about racism, and still-present white supremecy. There are many layers to the problems, and lack of equal education /social class inequality remain.

I am happy that we do have an African American president, so maybe progress is happening.

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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:30:04 PM

I guess I just don't feel it's my place, as a white woman, to tell black people what to be offended by. If they say it offends them when white
people say it but doesn't offend them when black people do, then that's their reality.


Me either and it's pretty funny that there are a few white women on this thread that think they can.

Food Network was correct in not renewing her contract and those that have a problem with it can just not watch the channel. "Chefs" like her are a dime a dozen. Hell, they can probably replace her with the Next Food Network Star and not miss a beat.






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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:31:37 PM

..I expect you to never ever watch another Jamie Foxx movie either.


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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:36:25 PM
Absolutely they did the right thing. I'd imagine that there would be quite a few sponsors that would not want to place ads during her show.

I'm trying to understand her lunacy not settling this lawsuit if she was going to admit to using the N-word. The fact that she did and testified and it makes me think that she must not have really thought her use of the word was that offensive. Or that the strategy for her admitting to using it once was so that she could look like "I admitted to using it before so why would I lie about using it in 2007?"

While I think it would be great if the n-word wasn't used by rappers, it's hard for me to understand why it is that people use this false equivalency argument.

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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:39:47 PM
Um. It doesn't seem to me that this is just about the n-word. I do find the word offensive, but the really offensive aspect of her comments is the dressing black people up in white shirts and black shorts, having them serve like slaves in plantation days, and having them tap dance like in Shirley Temple movies. Really? That's way more offensive than the n-word and demonstrates a level of racism that just can't be explained away.


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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:43:06 PM

Um. It doesn't seem to me that this is just about the n-word. I do find the word offensive, but the really offensive aspect of her comments is the dressing black people up in white shirts and black shorts, having them serve like slaves in plantation days, and having them tap dance like in Shirley Temple movies. Really? That's way more offensive than the n-word and demonstrates a level of racism that just can't be explained away.


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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:44:05 PM

Um. It doesn't seem to me that this is just about the n-word. I do find the word offensive, but the really offensive aspect of her comments is the dressing black people up in white shirts and black shorts, having them serve like slaves in plantation days, and having them tap dance like in Shirley Temple movies. Really? That's way more offensive than the n-word and demonstrates a level of racism that just can't be explained away.


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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:48:55 PM

dressing black people up in white shirts and black shorts, having them serve like slaves in plantation days, and having them tap dance like in Shirley Temple movies.
Just wanted to point out this is the world Paula grew up in. Vastly different than today and what we may have grown up with.
Not condoning Paula's words or actions in any way. Just sayin'.






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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:54:01 PM

Just wanted to point out this is the world Paula grew up in. Vastly different than today and what we may have grown up with.
Not condoning Paula's words or actions in any way. Just sayin'.




What world is that? I have a MIL a bit older than Paula Deen who grew up not unlike her and I've never heard her utter anything remotely close to what Paula admitted to saying.

So if you're not condoning her words or actions, then why try to quantify it with how she grew up? Sounds like you're defending her actions to me.








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Posted: 6/21/2013 10:59:49 PM
Oh, for f*** sake. My parents are older than Paula Deen and grew up when racism and segregation were commonplace and in the open. They have never thought it would be charming to dress black men up as boys and have them wait on them. Especially not in 2007.

And no matter what social milieu Ms Deen grew up in, if she has such piss-poor judgment that she thinks it's acceptable to talk that way now, she's just an idiot. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Posted: 6/21/2013 11:05:13 PM

I guess I just don't feel it's my place, as a white woman, to tell black people what to be offended by. If they say it offends them when white
people say it but doesn't offend them when black people do, then that's their reality.


And if a white woman is offended to hear a black person say "nigger" then that's their reality. Why does one have to respect the other and not vice versa?




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Posted: 6/21/2013 11:05:37 PM

Just wanted to point out this is the world Paula grew up in. Vastly different than today and what we may have grown up with.
Not condoning Paula's words or actions in any way. Just sayin'.


Whoa! Her world may well have been like that when she was a little child, but it hasn't been for decades. She is old enough, and should be smart enough, to have realized this isn't the 1950s any more, doesn't matter where she grew up.

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Posted: 6/21/2013 11:11:20 PM
Because this thread doesn't have crap to do with rappers. But the argument is " well if a black person can say it..."

It's like a child tattling. It gets old.

You know, I was raised in the South. I'm black. But it's this board that taught me racism is alive and well.

And it kills me when white women in this board want to point out what black people do, as if I'm too dumb to know the inconsistencies in my own race. Or because I'm black, I'm okay with black people saying racist terms.

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Posted: 6/21/2013 11:22:25 PM
If Paula Deen wasn't a household name before, it certainly is now.

Didn't Dog Chapman have this same problem...and now he has a new show?

Paula probably doesn't even need the Food Network anymore.

That one episode where her guest was a cowboy chef was a lesson in how to commit sexual harassment ...creepy old woman.







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Posted: 6/21/2013 11:40:06 PM
I haven't really been following this, but are the recent statements in the lawsuit things she allegedly said, or is there actual proof she said them (from other than the person who filed the lawsuit).



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Posted: 6/21/2013 11:40:07 PM
Bottom line, the "n" word needs to go. From everyone, no matter what color their skin is. Until the word is abolished from music, comedy sketches, movies, or even those that choose to call their friends the "n" word... we won't get anywhere. We'll be chasing our tails. And that's what's so pathetic about it.



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Posted: 6/21/2013 11:55:22 PM

Sounds like you're defending her actions to me.
Acknowledging the past isn't defending her actions.







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Posted: 6/22/2013 12:29:52 AM
Epeanymous - I've never heard of him, and I've never heard that argument. Thank you.




Whoa! Her world may well have been like that when she was a little child, but it hasn't been for decades. She is old enough, and should be smart enough, to have realized this isn't the 1950s any more, doesn't matter where she grew up.

You're going to have to go back a lot further than the 1950's for that!



I just can't get over her comments posted here about what she wanted for her brother's wedding! Using the N word is almost insignificant in comparison.







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Posted: 6/22/2013 12:53:15 AM
As horrible as her racist remarks were, there are lots of equally horrible things about the treatment of women in that lawsuit.

Read It for yourself

I never liked her, but holy shit-the kind of disrespect towards women AND racial minorities that allegedly goes on in her companies is mind-boggling. SMH. If even a little bit of what's in that lawsuit is true, she's one nasty person. And her brother? There are no words. I didn't think it was possible to shock me with this kind of stuff anymore, but what he allegedly said to his driver just had me gobsmacked



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Posted: 6/22/2013 12:54:27 AM
Why she agreed to read Apology #1 is beyond me. Under duress maybe? It was the worst possible recital of a canned "apology" I've ever read. Whoever put that together is the one that should be fired. And that editing? Oh man, that made it even worse. I almost felt sorry for her at that point. Almost.

Devil's Advocate here---but does anyone think she deserves to have her career destroyed over this? Is she a scapegoat for race relations? They tar and feather an old white lady from the South. Does that further any education or mutual understandings? I'm not sure.

I'm also confused as to why she just didn't respond "I have no recollection" when asked those pointed questions. I mean, seriously, who on God's green earth admits to such things? Gads.

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Posted: 6/22/2013 1:36:48 AM

52. At Uncle Bubba's restaurant, African-American staff persons are required to use the back entrance for all purposes, including picking up their checks. They were prohibited from using the front entrance.

53. African-American staff persons at Uncle Bubba's restaurant are required to use one restroom that is in the back of the restaurant and is not the customer restroom. White staff was allowed to use the customer bathroom.



From the legal complaint against Paula Deen Family of Companies.


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Posted: 6/22/2013 2:04:50 AM

52. At Uncle Bubba's restaurant, African-American staff persons are required to use the back entrance for all purposes, including picking up their checks. They were prohibited from using the front entrance.

53. African-American staff persons at Uncle Bubba's restaurant are required to use one restroom that is in the back of the restaurant and is not the customer restroom. White staff was allowed to use the customer bathroom.
How long has Uncle Bubba's been open?




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Posted: 6/22/2013 2:13:28 AM

How long has Uncle Bubba's been open?



I have no idea. I also have no idea what that has to do with what have been illegal conditions of employment for many years now.

It's going on 50 years since the Civil Rights movement, and Shirley Temple was a child of the Great Depression. We've changed a lot in the years between those events and now.





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Posted: 6/22/2013 2:55:45 AM

I also have no idea what that has to do with what have been illegal conditions of employment for many years now.
I was just thinking it hasn't been in business for very long because surely we would hear about those particular accusations as soon as they became voiced or printed requirements.





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Posted: 6/22/2013 3:00:41 AM
Oh, OK. One would think that would be true. The complainant worked there 5 years and left in 2010... so that's at least 8 years.





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Posted: 6/22/2013 5:45:01 AM
wow. The complaint filed is just chock-full of scary horrid stuff indeed.



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"And it kills me when white women in this board want to point out what black people do, as if I'm too dumb to know the inconsistencies in my own race. Or because I'm black, I'm okay with black people saying racist terms. "
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I don't know where your skin color or anyone elses for that matter, has anything to do with this.

I pointed out the disgusting double standard in this society - black and white- that excoriates a white person for racist actions or remarks, yet celebrates and condones a black person. How does that advance us towards a post-racial society?






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Posted: 6/22/2013 6:09:38 AM

I'm also confused as to why she just didn't respond "I have no recollection" when asked those pointed questions. I mean, seriously, who on God's green earth admits to such things?

She was sworn in under oath, you are suppose to tell the truth.


52. At Uncle Bubba's restaurant, African-American staff persons are required to use the back entrance for all purposes, including picking up their checks. They were prohibited from using the front entrance.

53. African-American staff persons at Uncle Bubba's restaurant are required to use one restroom that is in the back of the restaurant and is not the customer restroom. White staff was allowed to use the customer bathroom.

If this is true, that is truly horrible but has it been proven or is this just some disgruntled employee(s) claim? Do we know for sure? Do we know for sure that perhaps ALL employees had to use the back door or restroom. Like I said, if the above allegations are true, that it awful!!! But since I haven't followed this case, I want to know if this claim has been proven. Also, if it is true, was this her rule or her brother's or the manager's rule? Do we know?


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I read the complaint, and IMO the n-word is the least of it. The treatment of all of the employees in that restaurant is shocking. Just shocking.

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Posted: 6/22/2013 6:22:04 AM
The writing's been on the wall for her for quite a while now. Last year, there was a lot of industry gossip that Food Network wanted her out. So this surprised me not one bit.

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Posted: 6/22/2013 6:50:07 AM
i don't get the appeal of Paula Dean to begin with but,for that behaviour, she should be out. I can't imagine living under those conditions for five years. It seems that this is a long standing problem and I bet that the food network wasn't totally blindsided to hear her opinions.

As for the use of the N word, I'm with Jay Smooth. It's meaningless to talk about the use of language if you don't consider history and social location in the discussion.

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Posted: 6/22/2013 7:33:15 AM
HuffPo has a copy of the deposition transcript which the have posted excerpts from-

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Posted: 6/22/2013 9:05:06 AM
It's interesting to read everyone's opinions of this.

Another way to look at it though would be to pretend she isn't famous. If I were to say the things she said I would lose my job on the spot. There would be no discussion about how rappers talk, or how I was raised. Direct violation of company policy. I would be handed a box and escorted out the door.

I agree with the Food Network's decision to not renew her contract.


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Posted: 6/22/2013 9:27:27 AM

If this is true, that is truly horrible but has it been proven or is this just some disgruntled employee(s) claim? Do we know for sure? Do we know for sure that perhaps ALL employees had to use the back door or restroom. Like I said, if the above allegations are true, that it awful!!! But since I haven't followed this case, I want to know if this claim has been proven. Also, if it is true, was this her rule or her brother's or the manager's rule? Do we know?


recap.pea have you read the complaint against Paula Dean and her brother? Because a person would have to have some big old brass balls that clank to make some of that stuff up! The dancing niggers comment is just one of many things said by Paula and others in that company. I'm disgusted by her whole family and that includes the sons!


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Posted: 6/22/2013 9:27:44 AM
I have a few things to say about this, but first as a newbie let me just get it out there that I am not a racist. I am in a mixed-race relationship with mixed-race children so I am seriously not a racist.

However, this case bothers me, and I think it's mostly because Paula Deen seems to be getting judged and convicted based on something a complainant (a white complainant, by the way) has said about her. Just so we know, anyone can write pretty much anything they want about you in a complaint and file it in court where it will become a matter of public record.

I have read some of the deposition (though not admittedly all of it) and her use of the N word that she admits to happened years ago. The description of the wedding with the Shirley Temple language is from the complainant. Just he said/she said with no proof. Deen denies using the N-word at that time.

And, on the other side of the argument, you have Deen saying repeatedly in the deposition that she judges people based on their heart and mind, not their race or anything else. She supported Obama's campaign in 2008 and invited Michelle Obama to be on her show with her. Her longtime personal assistant is gay and she supports gay marriage. She's a Democrat.

I just don't think someone who is racist would have done those things.

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Posted: 6/22/2013 10:02:17 AM
I'm really having trouble figuring out why anyone would care so much about what Paula Deen says?
There are plenty of people in this world that say unacceptable things and no one blinks an eye. There are plenty of people who say things without thinking how they may sound to others. It just seems odd to me that there are other public figures who have done much worse and no one seems to notice.





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Posted: 6/22/2013 10:04:59 AM
Her show is already off! I turned on the tv this morning and the guide said it was Paula's Best Dishes but Giada's show was on. I've heard the news stories but not the details of what she's accused beyond that she used racial slurs.

I did like her shows, but there's been a number of things that have come out about her over the years that make me wonder how fake her persona is.


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Posted: 6/22/2013 10:33:42 AM
Holy Shit! I just read the whole complaint......people don't make up those type of allegations, there are just too many instances and I'm sure witnesses will be called.

So glad they pulled her shows....I'll never be able to look at that family again in the same light.





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