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Posted: 6/22/2013 11:05:26 AM

Yes, you would get fired. My question is though, what if a black man at your place of employment used the word?


It's not just the N word that is at issue here. If it WERE just the N word, it may be handled differently. You've got to look at the whole picture of what she's done.

If a black man at my place of employment treated ANYBODY the way Paula Deen is accused of, yes, he would be fired.


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Posted: 6/22/2013 12:49:00 PM
I just read the whole complaint. I think Paula Deen and her brother Bubba think they are a nation unto themselves and that they can make and enforce laws that are throwbacks to mid-20th century-America just so they can stay stuck in their old school racist ways.

The complainant has an entire staff, largely made up of African-American employees, to back up her claims.

The complaint is a compelling read. I had no previous opinion of Paula Deen as all I know about her is that she's a celebrity chef. Now I think she's an idiot.



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Posted: 6/22/2013 5:22:36 PM

Oh but we can have a POTUS Make racist comments. This country is n deep deep do do!! It's gone to far! If rappers can do it everyone can do it. I for one will not hold it against her. I believe very soon the reverse descrimination is going to b ruled on and the look out!

What the frickety-frack is THAT all about?


I for one will not hold it against her.

Somehow this does not surprise me.


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Posted: 6/22/2013 7:03:59 PM

I can kind of understand black rappers and others using it. By them taking something that was used against them and using it as their own, they are taking the power away from the oppressive people who used it against them.


How is it taking the power away? If it was the word wouldn't be so taboo.
It obviously holds just as much power now then it did then.




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Posted: 6/22/2013 7:04:16 PM

I can kind of understand black rappers and others using it. By them taking something that was used against them and using it as their own, they are taking the power away from the oppressive people who used it against them.


How is it taking the power away? If it was the word wouldn't be so taboo.
It obviously holds just as much power now then it did then.




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Posted: 6/22/2013 11:01:01 PM
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Posted: 6/22/2013 11:14:34 PM
There is way more to this issue than Paula Deen using the N word. For those of you so hung up on saying that she might have used "that word" once a long time ago, take the time to go deeper than the media sound bytes and go read the original lawsuit complaint for yourselves. Forget all about the n word debate.

The problem with Paula Deen and her "family" of companies is the rampant misogyny, sexual harassment, and racism throughout that corporate culture. She knew about it, she did nothing to stop it, and by doing nothing about it and taking a "boys will be naughty boys" attitude, she actually encouraged it.

There was so much going on there that it's mind-boggling that it all didn't fall down around her even sooner. Once again the crazy celebrity-worship culture rears its ugly head.



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Posted: 6/22/2013 11:16:37 PM

She's accountable for what she says, period. It would be a foolish business decision for Food Network if they stood by her through this. Even if you think it's not "fair", you must realize that Food Network would only be harmed by supporting one of their entertainers who gets herself in a brouhaha like this.

Comparing Paula Deen to rappers is not reasonable. The music industry has a long history of welcoming and even courting controversy. Food Network's goals and audience are very different and are not served well by continuing a relationship with Deen under the circumstances.

Her contract is up. They don't owe her anything. They've paid her millions over the years. And now she has to take personal accountability for some really poor decisions that compromised her marketability. Period.


I agree completely.



52. At Uncle Bubba's restaurant, African-American staff persons are required to use the back entrance for all purposes, including picking up their checks. They were prohibited from using the front entrance.

53. African-American staff persons at Uncle Bubba's restaurant are required to use one restroom that is in the back of the restaurant and is not the customer restroom. White staff was allowed to use the customer bathroom.




I believe this has more to do with wait staff vs. kitchen staff.

White jacketed kitchen staff aren't usually allowed into the front of a restaurant, and they aren't supposed to move about in areas used by customers when the restaurant is open. They usually have a bathroom in back for kitchen staff.
Waitstaff/hostess/hosts/busboys are dressed in a different uniform than the kitchen staff. Waitstaff frequently help keep restrooms tidy, which could be why they are allowed to use the customer restroom.

How often do you see someone from the kitchen using customer bathrooms when you go out to,eat?



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Posted: 6/22/2013 11:30:27 PM

White jacketed kitchen staff aren't usually allowed into the front of a restaurant, and they aren't supposed to move about in areas used by customers when the restaurant is open. They usually have a bathroom in back for kitchen staff.
Waitstaff/hostess/hosts/busboys are dressed in a different uniform than the kitchen staff. Waitstaff frequently help keep restrooms tidy, which could be why they are allowed to use the customer restroom.


That's a reasonable point.


It defies belief that there aren't waitstaff of color, though.






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Posted: 6/22/2013 11:53:09 PM

I believe this has more to do with wait staff vs. kitchen staff.

White jacketed kitchen staff aren't usually allowed into the front of a restaurant, and they aren't supposed to move about in areas used by customers when the restaurant is open. They usually have a bathroom in back for kitchen staff.
Waitstaff/hostess/hosts/busboys are dressed in a different uniform than the kitchen staff. Waitstaff frequently help keep restrooms tidy, which could be why they are allowed to use the customer restroom.

How often do you see someone from the kitchen using customer bathrooms when you go out to,eat?




I don't feel like going back and rereading the whole thing, but IIRC it didn't sound like there were African-American employees in the front. I think at one point there was an AA staff person in the front and she was accused of stealing a customers purse and terminated (no criminal charges filed). I think there was another but I'm not sure.

All restaurants here have signs that say "Employees must wash their hands before returning to work," so I think employees use the front bathrooms, too.

ETA: I looked it up. It's section 55. Two AA hostesses, one fired, one moved to the back. It sounds like the front staff was all white.



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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:17:56 AM

that make me wonder how fake her persona is.


I have wondered many, many times how fake Paula and her sons really are. I used to enjoy her shows, esp. when her sons were on there. More recently I haven't been able to tolerate even listening to her talk, much less watching her shows.

I have had a "feeling" about her and I guess my "feeling" was spot on.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:20:19 AM

Wow. I wonder if they'll can her sons' shows, too.
------------------------------------------------------------------------I would hope they would not hold the son responsible for his mother's actions.


Unfortunately, I also have a "feeling" that her sons are just as quilty as she is.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:21:37 AM

I have a few things to say about this, but first as a newbie let me just get it out there that I am not a racist. I am in a mixed-race relationship with mixed-race children so I am seriously not a racist.

However, this case bothers me, and I think it's mostly because Paula Deen seems to be getting judged and convicted based on something a complainant (a white complainant, by the way) has said about her. Just so we know, anyone can write pretty much anything they want about you in a complaint and file it in court where it will become a matter of public record.

I have read some of the deposition (though not admittedly all of it) and her use of the N word that she admits to happened years ago. The description of the wedding with the Shirley Temple language is from the complainant. Just he said/she said with no proof. Deen denies using the N-word at that time.

And, on the other side of the argument, you have Deen saying repeatedly in the deposition that she judges people based on their heart and mind, not their race or anything else. She supported Obama's campaign in 2008 and invited Michelle Obama to be on her show with her. Her longtime personal assistant is gay and she supports gay marriage. She's a Democrat.

I just don't think someone who is racist would have done those things.


Most reasonable post I've read yet.

What was the outcome of the trial? Or is it still going on?



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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:30:27 AM

What was the outcome of the trial? Or is it still going on?



It hasn't started.



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Posted: 6/23/2013 6:48:44 AM
I'm glad she's gone, I've never been able to stand her. Now the level ignorance she displayed just makes me cringe. I lived in the South for 25 years and never heard anything like that.

However, I think this whole debate is messed up. You can't combat hatred and ignorance by not allowing the use of the n-word. You can fire somebody for saying the word but you can't change their attitude by doing so. Attack the attitude, not a symptom of the attitude. A racist attitude from anybody of any color should be unacceptable. Why is it only intolerable when directed toward African-Americans?

The lines have been blurred. Some people can say THE WORD but others are ostracized for it. Some people can espouse racial hatred but others are villains for doing so. It should all be unacceptable so that we don't even need legal remedies.

And why, when the Constitution protects other types of vile speech, is that word beyond the scope of constitutional protection? I'm not inclined to use the word, but I could be punished without a trial if I did so. Porn merchants have greater protection under the law than an ordinary person who says a word that others can say freely.

Jay Smooth's argument is fallacious. Nobody has been lynched or spat on while being called "honey" so it does not elicit the same emotional response. His smug, self important delivery doesn't make argument any more viable. Why do we care what he has to say anyway?

Disallowing the use of a word is slapping a bandaid on a gaping wound. It makes us all feel good about ourselves because we can brand others but it does nothing to attack the root of the problem which is ignorance and bigotry.


that make me wonder how fake her persona is.
Wonder no more. I never had any doubts.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 7:15:23 AM

Holy Shit! I just read the whole complaint......people don't make up those type of allegations, there are just too many instances and I'm sure witnesses will be called.


I read on-line article on HuffPo that the original complaint was about sexual harassment (which is bad enough). Deen's attorney filed a motion to dismiss and then the complaint was amended to include the allegations of racism.

People lie and make up these types of allegations in lawsuits all the time.

I am not saying that at the end of day, her own deposition and witness testimony will prove true or not but she deserves her day in court.


As I said earlier in this thread, most Americans will in time forgive her. Just like so many did after Michael Vick made dogs fight to the death (for money he did not need) and dogs he strangled and electrocuted. He did his prison time. He did a few public service events. All was forgiven and the Philadelphia Eagles and the NFL took him back with open arms.

If Deen can hire a publicist to clean up her image and someone can make money off of her she will be back. In some strange way after celebs do something the should be shunned for the intensity to keep them in the public eye escalates their status. Not saying any of this is right but it happens time after time.

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Posted: 6/23/2013 8:32:01 AM

And, on the other side of the argument, you have Deen saying repeatedly in the deposition that she judges people based on their heart and mind, not their race or anything else. She supported Obama's campaign in 2008 and invited Michelle Obama to be on her show with her. Her longtime personal assistant is gay and she supports gay marriage. She's a Democrat.

I just don't think someone who is racist would have done those things.



You can be a racist and vote Democractically. Just because you support gay marriage doesn't mean you aren't a racist either.

I do agree she is being tried and convicted without a trial. I will reserve judgement until other witnesses come forward or this case actually goes to trial. When Kevin Clash was first accused I was convinced he was innocent, it didn't take long for others to collaborate the claims however. So far no one else has stepped forward to collaborate this woman's claims, have they? As others have said, you can say anything you want in a lawsuit, it doesn't mean it is true.

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Posted: 6/23/2013 8:35:34 AM

And why, when the Constitution protects other types of vile speech, is that word beyond the scope of constitutional protection? I'm not inclined to use the word, but I could be punished without a trial if I did so. Porn merchants have greater protection under the law than an ordinary person who says a word that others can say freely.


Oh FFS. It isn't even worth responding to this.



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Posted: 6/23/2013 8:41:58 AM

And why, when the Constitution protects other types of vile speech, is that word beyond the scope of constitutional protection? I'm not inclined to use the word, but I could be punished without a trial if I did so. Porn merchants have greater protection under the law than an ordinary person who says a word that others can say freely.


The constitution protects you from the government telling you "you can't say that." It doesn't protect you from your employer deciding that you are a liability because you want to say racially decisive phrases. The constitution also doesn't protect you from being perceived as an ass because you want to use racially charged words.

I really think that maybe you should read the constitution before you evoke it.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 8:42:40 AM

that make me wonder how fake her persona is.


I have wondered many, many times how fake Paula and her sons really are. I used to enjoy her shows, esp. when her sons were on there. More recently I haven't been able to tolerate even listening to her talk, much less watching her shows.

I have had a "feeling" about her and I guess my "feeling" was spot on.
I totally agree. Her "on air" personality fairly screamed "I'm a fraud" from day one. Her show was horrendous and fake, I think Santa would have been more real than she is. Most people do cultivate "on air" personalities for themselves, but they are generally just a more vibrant version of who they really are... but Deen? First impression is that she's trying to hard. Second? That she's hiding something. Looks like I was right.

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Posted: 6/23/2013 8:43:49 AM
I've been to Uncle Bubba's and the comment about the restrooms surprised me. I didn't see any employees using the restroom (I do remember it was small, only 3 stalls?), but a girl did fill up the sugar scrub bowl while I was there and we talked about it.




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Posted: 6/23/2013 10:03:10 AM

Yes, you would get fired. My question is though, what if a black man at your place of employment used the word? Is it off limits to discuss whether he should lose his job if overheard using that word? I'm comparing people in the entertainment industry and his they are treated differently over usage of the same word. I stated it's a word that offends ME regardless of who is using it or how. I am very uncomfortable hearing anyone called that word. It's an ugly term with a very negative history and that is MY opinion. I realize others justify its use in some situations, but I don't work that way. I just can't condone it at all, ever.


I totally get that you're saying it offends YOU regardless of the person saying it, and are not speaking for others. But the difference then, in the two situations is people being fired for being GENERALLY offensive based on agreed upon "norms of offensiveness" (for lack of a better description) as in the case of Paula Dean, vs. people being fired because they offended A PERSON (in your description, "you" but I know you're not the only one that feels this way) because of her personal norm of offensiveness. Damn, that's got to be clear as mud. I mean, we can't fire people just because they offend someONE. But we should fire them when they do things that are agreed upon by most to be offensive.

ETA: Additionally, there's also the issue of standards/context. As said before, there are lots of things you might get fired for from a school or the Food Network that the NFL and/or music industry will tolerate. In that case, it's not about the skin color of the person making the comment, it's about the context in which it was made. For your comparison to work, we'd need to see a black Food Network star using the word and NOT getting fired for it.

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Posted: 6/23/2013 10:25:31 AM
This doesn't surprise me at all.
That woman just needs to learn when to keep her mouth shut


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Posted: 6/23/2013 11:52:03 AM
Wow. If even a tiny bit of this is true it's so disappointing.

I liked the Jay Smooth video.

It always reminded me of back in high school & college my friends & I loved the word "bitch".

Crazy bitch. Dumb bitch. Drunk bitch. All said to one another, some of my absolute closest friends. We used the word bitch to refer to one another all the time "I'm leaving bitches!" "I'm ordering pizza, do you bitches want in?"

Totally immature. Offensive word...but we made it our own, it was almost a term of affection toward one another.

I would never have used the word toward anyone else. Like, I never would have walked into my work study job & said "hey bitches" to my co-workers.

I cant imagine anyone who only knew us in passing thinking they could say "So, ya dumb bitches, what's up?" They didn't know us...that would be creepy.

And I can't imagine someone freaking out on their job & calling someone a bitch & then saying "well, those immature sorority girls call each other bitch, so why's that okay?"

I don't know. I've just never had trouble understanding why rappers/entertainers or even groups of friends feel they can use the "n" word & others should never even think about it.




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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:06:55 PM

I still can't justify it's use ever.


The question isn't whether or not one can justify its use. I'm not trying to do that. I'm trying to explain why it's a fireable offense in one context and not another.

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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:10:26 PM

Sorry, I still can't justify it's use ever.


Why should you? You don't use it.

You don't need to justify why someone else does something.





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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:16:07 PM
The thing about the n-word is that it has ALWAYS been a derogatory term used to differentiate black people from white people. My mother is 7 years older than Paula Deen. I have never heard her use the n-word. Ever. She and my 98 year old grandmother both use the term "colored" because that was the matter-of-fact way of describing someone with dark skin when they were growing up. (I think the word "black" as a description became common in the Sixties, but I'm not sure.) Even when Mark Twain wrote "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn", a book that is often challenged in schools for the use of the n-word, he knew that it was a derogatory word. I believe he used it so we could see Huck's growing understanding of Jim as a human being, not an animal. The n-word may have been common, but not polite.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:35:43 PM
I am no Paula Deen fan at all, but I guess the thing that makes me wonder about all of this is if things were that bad at the brother's restaurant, why wasn't this brought to national attention before? I mean this woman worked there 5 years and quit in 2010. During that 5 years it just seems like all the employees could have rallied together and decided on some plan of action, strike, even quit, to make a point, etc., especially since it was a restaurant of a celebrity chef and that would have drawn attention to the matter. I get that they probably needed their jobs, but to be absolutely afraid of your boss? And in this day and age to have black people only allowed to use the back door and a specific bathroom?

While I am sure there is truth to a lot of it, it still makes me wonder about some of it.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:46:32 PM

During that 5 years it just seems like all the employees could have rallied together and decided on some plan of action, strike, even quit, to make a point, etc., especially since it was a restaurant of a celebrity chef and that would have drawn attention to the matter. I get that they probably needed their jobs, but to be absolutely afraid of your boss? And in this day and age to have black people only allowed to use the back door and a specific bathroom?


It says in the complaint that these were very hard-working, low wage-earners. People who are desperate for work don't just quit their jobs because they're being treated badly. And people who tyrannize their employees in this way generally know that the employees are not going to file a class action suit.



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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:49:54 PM
For those who are waiting for more information re the allegations in the complaint - I usually admire that kind of care. In this case, however, I have not seen where Deen has denied any of it - just excuses
For some of it.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:51:28 PM

For those who are waiting for more information re the allegations in the complaint - I usually admire that kind of care. In this case, however, I have not seen where Deen has denied any of it - justice excuses
For some of it.


I watched her three apology videos yesterday. The first one really didn't do her any favors, and in none of them did she deny anything. She just apologized.



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Posted: 6/23/2013 12:54:47 PM

Okay, because of the ugly history of the term, I don't CONDONE the use of the N word, ever, under any circumstance. If you are okay with it, that's on you. But I think having separate rules regarding races is going backwards.


I'm not okay with ever using the "n" word because I can't relate to it whatsoever. I have no personal history wrapped around that word & I cannot imagine what it feels like to be called that in hatred, or as a way of putting me in my place.

I can relate to being called bitch as a means to make me feel bad about myself. Break the curve - bitch. Tough manager at work - bitch. I still get skeeved when I'm around an adult male who thinks he can pull off calling some women "bitches" and it be funny. It's not. He can't relate to the word, he doesn't know what it feels like to be called that & it sting.

I will say that a person in a position of authority never has the right to use the "n" word to address his employees with the intent of humiliating them or putting them in their place. That is what has happened here. And to me, regardless of race, a manager who does this should be fired.

And I can't connect the dots with the argument of "well, rappers say it & it's cool"

Not entertained by Kanye, change the channel, don't buy his cds.

You can't exactly change the channel on your boss when you need to pay rent or buy food for your family.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 1:05:14 PM
I've read quite a bit lately surrounding this case, and I'm not ready to jump on the "she's scum" bandwagon just yet. I'm not convinced that she's guilty of all of the things that she's being accused of, or that things aren't being twisted to make her look bad. Most of what y'all (not everyone, but many) are jumping all over her for are things that were said by somebody that is suing her for A LOT of money.

That said, I STILL agree that the Food Network is justified in not renewing her contract. The whole case brings a non-family, inclusive atmosphere to them.

One thing I didn't see when I read through here is what is what the plaintiff, Lisa Jackson, said in her own deposition in February of this year, which is one reason I'm not passing judgment. It puts into question MANY of her claims in my mind.






In Jackson's deposition taken Feb. 11, she recounts how Dora Childs, an employee at The Lady & Sons, told her "probably sometime in 2010" that she felt discriminated against when a white male kitchen manager was promoted over her, adding, "and that Paula made racist comments."

Deens attorney, Franklin, asked Jackson: "You have never heard Paula make a racist remark, have you?"

"Not heard it," Jackson replied.

"You have never known Paula to discriminate against a person based on gender, have you?"

"I'm not aware."

"And you have never known Paula to sexually harass anyone, have you?"

"Not me.



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Okay, because of the ugly history of the term, I don't CONDONE the use of the N word, ever, under any circumstance. If you are okay with it, that's on you. But I think having separate rules regarding races is going backwards.


Surely you have a better idea of what I condone and what I am resolved to than that.

I also live and work where my MIL still remembers the Jim Crowe laws actively enforced. The day to day lives of those of color here still show the effect even though times have changed. Who am I to tell these people that I know what they should think, especially when I can see with my own eyes just how extremely different our lives and the lives of our families have been?

That said, ANYONE using language or bias in the manner described here would be fired by my employer. Any restaurant that had black in the back and white in the front would be under all manner of legal trouble. The petition lays out a scenario far more disturbing than the condoned use of a single offensive word.









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Posted: 6/23/2013 1:19:40 PM

During that 5 years it just seems like all the employees could have rallied together and decided on some plan of action, strike, even quit, to make a point, etc., especially since it was a restaurant of a celebrity chef and that would have drawn attention to the matter.


It seems like too long a time not to have come to the attention of the media before now.




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I'm delighted she was fired. I can't stand her and have believed for years that everything about her was fake. I think her career should have ended when it was disclosed that she had had diabetes for 2 years and had gone on pushing that high fat, high sugar diet.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 2:03:38 PM
Another thing that I find interesting about the lawsuit is that Jackson was an employee of Uncle Bubba's Oyster House. I know that Bubba is Paula's brother, and that she's a part owner of the restaurant, but I always had the impression that was pretty much in name only, for attention. I didn't really have the impression that she was very involved with it.

I could be wrong on that, just the opinion I had from things that I'd read when we were researching before our trip. I've been to Savannah several times, and have eaten at Lady and Sons twice, and Uncle Bubba's Oyster House once. His restaurant isn't near hers - it's out towards the water - more of like a 'fish shack' type restaurant.

I'm just wondering if this lawsuit should be more aimed at Paula's brother - who isn't a public figure, and isn't/wasn't rich. But Paula is the household name and she has the $$, so...

From reading her deposition I can just as easily come to the conclusion that they have a former employee and CFO (Karl Schumacher) who may be bitter and looking to cash in. (there are several examples of things far beyond the race issue that has taken the forefront).


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Posted: 6/23/2013 2:09:30 PM

I'm just wondering if this lawsuit should be more aimed at Paula's brother - who isn't a public figure, and isn't/wasn't rich. But Paula is the household name and she has the $$, so...


From the sound of it, it's all legally tied in together under her name, making her at least partially responsible.






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Posted: 6/23/2013 2:13:14 PM

It seems like too long a time not to have come to the attention of the media before now.
That was my point earlier. I really find it hard to believe that someone wouldn't have blown the whistle on that, the second it was required, much less in all these years.





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Posted: 6/23/2013 2:23:04 PM

From the sound of it, it's all legally tied in together under her name, making her at least partially responsible.




Yes, I understand from a legal aspect it's Paula Deen enterprises (or whatever it's called) so she has to testify. I get that part. I'm just saying that all of the negative attention is being aimed at her, and I'm not convinced that she did /said 1/2 of what is alleged. It seems that it was more about things her brother said/did...but the case will get a lot more attention if there are allegations against her.

From her own deposition (which I'm reading in full now) she hasn't worked at Uncle Bubba's other than the first 6 weeks it was opened. Which I believe was 2004.

From a story on HLN:


HLN obtained a letter written by Jackson to Deen three months before Jackson quit her job at the restaurant.

“When I started working for Bubba, he gave me an opportunity that allowed me, over time, a freedom I have never experienced. He allowed me, for once in my life, to take care of myself, and for once, have faith in myself as a person and as a woman to know that I could do it on my own,” Jackson continues. “Since then, I have become the independent woman I have always wanted to be. I have been given opportunities that I never thought possible, all because of you and Bubba.”


That letter was dated March 27, 2010, after she'd worked there for 5 years. Doesn't sound like miserable working conditions then. She filed her lawsuit in 2012. Before she filed, she sent letters to Paula Deen, asking for $1.25 MILLION dollars not to file a lawsuit. She also offered to settle out of court for $$, but Deen said no.

Again, if Paula said the things alleged - specifically the one about her brother's wedding - that's deplorable, and I have no sympathy. I just haven't seen anything that says that happened other than a woman with questionable motives.

ETA: fixed the date - the lawsuit was filed in 2012.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 2:44:39 PM

She filed her lawsuit in 2013.


Are you saying she filed the suit against Paula Deen in 2013? She filed it in 2011.

Have you even read the document?


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Posted: 6/23/2013 3:35:16 PM

Are you saying she filed the suit against Paula Deen in 2013? She filed it in 2011.

Have you even read the document?


Actually, that was a typo on my part, which I fixed. She filed the lawsuit in March 2012.

Yes, I've read it. I'm saying I'm not convinced the things filed in the suit are true, and given several examples of things that discredit Lisa Jackson in my opinion.

I've also clearly said IF Deen said those deplorable things, I have not a single ounce of sympathy for her, and that I think Food Network was correct in letting her go now.



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Posted: 6/23/2013 3:47:44 PM

That was my point earlier. I really find it hard to believe that someone wouldn't have blown the whistle on that, the second it was required, much less in all these years.


Probably because those people needed their jobs. That's how this kind of crap continues to exist, whether its racial, sexual, or whatever. When the person doing it has the power to hire and fire, people who desperately need those jobs put their heads down and keep their mouths shut. Who can blame them?

And I just love it when certain people use racist behavior by a white woman as one more opportunity to cry, "But Mom, the black people do it, too! No fair. Waaaaaaah!" Just once you might want to step out of your own personal biases and read your remarks for what they really are.

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Posted: 6/23/2013 4:15:52 PM

Are you saying she filed the suit against Paula Deen in 2013? She filed it in 2011.

Have you even read the document?


Oh, I see now why you said that. At the bottom of the document it says 2011. However, I've read about 100 other sources, and all of them say it was filed in March of 2012, and if you look at the filing stamp at the top, it appears to say 2012 as well. So I don't know if it's a typo or what on the official document (which would be odd), but I wasn't speaking out of a place of ignorance.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 5:05:05 PM

Probably because those people needed their jobs. That's how this kind of crap continues to exist, whether its racial, sexual, or whatever. When the person doing it has the power to hire and fire, people who desperately need those jobs put their heads down and keep their mouths shut. Who can blame them?


Indeed. It must be nice for some on this thread to have no idea what it is like to put up with certain things because you needed that certain job at all costs and feeling helpless that they could make the change.
What the plaintiff is doing, if true, takes a lot of courage. I don't think Food Network would dump her like that if the accusations didn't have some shred of probability.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 5:30:36 PM

Probably because those people needed their jobs. That's how this kind of crap continues to exist, whether its racial, sexual, or whatever. When the person doing it has the power to hire and fire, people who desperately need those jobs put their heads down and keep their mouths shut. Who can blame them?
I agree, if you need the job, you don't make waves. But I find it hard to believe in all those years nobody talked about it outside of work and the info would have spread to someone who COULD do something about it. And in all those years they never had anybody quit, be fired or just move on and feel free to alert DOL?





And I just love it when certain people use racist behavior by a white woman as one more opportunity to cry, "But Mom, the black people do it, too! No fair. Waaaaaaah!" Just once you might want to step out of your own personal biases and read your remarks for what they really are.
I never said any such thing.




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Posted: 6/23/2013 5:34:29 PM

Indeed. It must be nice for some on this thread to have no idea what it is like to put up with certain things because you needed that certain job at all costs and feeling helpless that they could make the change.
I think I covered that in my reply to Constance.





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Posted: 6/23/2013 5:44:05 PM

Indeed. It must be nice for some on this thread to have no idea what it is like to put up with certain things because you needed that certain job at all costs and feeling helpless that they could make the change.
I think I covered that in my reply to Constance.



I think we were posting at the same time.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 5:47:05 PM
I agree with you Enough. It's hard to believe that no one said anything at all outside the job to someone else. It would be one thing if it were just a regular restaurant, but being a celebrity's restaurant it would gain traction and outrage as it is now.

And to make it clear I am no Paula fan. She annoys the crap out of me. And while she said what she said, this still seems more on the brother than anyone else, though of course it is her brand.

I just think its a fifty/fifty thing here and somewhere in the middle is the truth.


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Posted: 6/23/2013 5:47:33 PM

I never said any such thing.

I never said you did.

Others on this thread are certainly behaving that way, however.
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