George Zimmerman's Heroic Car Crash Rescue Appears to be a Fraud
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Posted: 7/26/2013 7:05:44 PM
Of course there are crazies out there. I took Miz's statement to be an indictment of the peas who disagree with the verdict. If that's not what she meant, then I withdraw my complaint.


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Posted: 7/26/2013 7:07:26 PM

That's an appalling thing to say. Thinking that true justice wasn't served does not equate to wishing him dead.
Lucy, I'm sorry if the truth offends you. It is not an appalling thing to call visibility to what is being seen not just by myself, but by many others.

I don't think this, but MANY, MANY people do. THAT is appalling.



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Posted: 7/26/2013 7:53:33 PM

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Posted: 7/26/2013 7:58:12 PM

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I thought in America you were INNOCENT until proven GUILTY. He wasn't found guilty, so doesn't that make him innocent?


I'm glad you don't have a dog in this fight because you don't understand the American legal system. INNOCENT is NOT a legal determination. It's either GUILTY or NOT GUILTY. Innocent is for babies and puppies.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 8:39:50 PM
Murder requires premeditation.

What about hate crimes?

What about manslaughter that is racially motivated?


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Posted: 7/26/2013 8:49:39 PM
Gingers video is utter crap.

Why isn't he talking about zimmerman? The one who wasnt just suspended from school, but as an ADULT had run ins with the law and had TRO's against him??!!

Ugh.

Why has zimmerman had 3 times where he was a "hero"? This car accident, trayvon and the other one where he rescued a black homeless man? Very strange.




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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:15:39 PM
No. As far as i am concerned zimmermans history of violence is more important to the case than a teenagers screw ups.

How many peas have done similar? Do they deserve death just for walking down the street?

Zimmerman got his ass kicked because he was stalling the wrong kid. I don't necessarily think he is a racist, but just scared of the "big black kid". It wasn't a fair fight, he was losing and he killed.




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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:33:54 PM
Aslan-you mean to tell me as a teenager you never screwed up???!!! Seriously? I am not talking about drugs (i never have either) or stealing (i haven't either). I am talking about screwing up.




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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:52:01 PM

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I thought in America you were INNOCENT until proven GUILTY. He wasn't found guilty, so doesn't that make him innocent?


No. Not in this country. When a jury acquits someone, it simply means that the prosecution did not meet the burden of proof for guilt, it does not necessarily mean the defendant didn't commit the crime.

If the defendant is truly innocent they can petition for a 'factual finding of innocence', but the onus of proving one's innocence falls on the petitioner. Few people who have been found not guilty, actually take this step.

It is used more often when someone has been arrested, but not tried or convicted. It means their arrest record will be destroyed and they can legally answer the question 'Have you ever been arrested', by saying 'no'. This is important if the person has to have a background check for a job, or even to volunteer at your kid's school.

I seriously doubt that GZ will be filing such a petition.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 10:22:29 PM

Ginger21 - great video!

Thanks, unfortunately I don't think many people will take the time to watch it. I almost didn't as I am sick of the whole thing.

Not sure if it is all true but I was annoyed at the portrayal of Trayvon as a sweet little boy with the pictures the media used.


It's funny when people say 'Wow, yeah, that was so right on' when the source is something they agree with. That video claims to be setting the record straight because, 'God knows, the Liberal media has painted Trayvon as a choir boy and we know that he's a thug....and here's the proof blah, blah, blah'

In the comments section people are praising his 'journalism'. Uh huh, he was every bit as guilty as the sources he is vilifying (MSNBC etc...but apparently not Fox) He bashes journalists and claims that none of the 'mainstream media' covered 'the facts'.That's nonsense. I only read the disgusting Liberal Press and I had heard all the 'facts' that he presented.

Where he fails as a journalist, along with almost every other 'journalist' these days (on both sides), is he doesn't give a fair and unbiased set facts either. His whole 10 minute spiel (and yes, I watched all of it) is a sickening, one sided reviling of the victim, along with pictures of his dead body, and a glowing report of how wonderful GZ is. I have never heard of this person, but he's as despicable as Al Sharpton is. His calm voice and demeanor simply disguises a biased racist (and I don't use the word lightly) who is so white he glows in the dark.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 10:24:11 PM
I-95...you're right.



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Posted: 7/27/2013 12:27:48 AM
Preach it, I95!


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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:10:42 AM

There really in no such thing, is there, as committing "murder in self defense"?


Sure there is, Black's Law Dictionary calls it homicide justifiable.

What is HOMICIDE JUSTIFIABLE?
This term applies to the blameless killing of a person, such as in self-defense.


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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:34:35 AM

I remember a thread on here a while back where the discussion was abortion. Several who are pro life were using the term "murder" to describe the procedure. I recall a few peas taking umbrage at that and insisting that "murder" is a legal term and thus did not apply to a legally protected medical procedure.
I'm pro life, but I actually agreed with that position. But, I think that consistency demands the same here. There really in no such thing, is there, as committing "murder in self defense"? You can say that GZ committed murder and got away with it, but is it accurate to say that he committed murder in self defense or wouldn't that be oxymoronic?
I agree with you 100%, Aslan. Murder is a legal term, and the varying "degrees" of murder are different from state to state, depending on how THAT state decides to define them.

I do not think that GZ was innocent, but I do agree with the jury verdict that he was "not guilty" under the laws of Florida.

The jury that is responsible for setting him free or sending him to prison has to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed the crime of murder as defined in the Florida statutes. The jury found reasonable doubt, and although a different jury may not have found reasonable doubt, that doesn't mean that the verdict was necessarily a "miscarriage of justice". That's just the way our jury system works, for better or worse.

I don't know if he will ever be held accountable in a civil suit. I have read conflicting information about whether the family can sue him or not. There are provisions in SYG that says a not guilty verdict means you can't be sued. Of course, many have said this is NOT a SYG case, so it may not apply, but the provision is also pretty broad and MAY apply to anyone claiming self-defense.

I think this part of SYG is a complete pile of horsesh*t since a not guilty of murder verdict does not automatically mean the person did nothing wrong. In addition, you cannot force the defendant to testify in a criminal trial, and if he does not (as GZ did not), there is no chance to cross-examine his statements. Even though the investigators questioned him, there were many things that came to light during the later stages of investigation and the trial that might lead to more questions that he would have to answer in a civil trial. You also have a much broader right to discovery in a civil trial that may reveal evidence that would lead to a verdict in favor of TM's family. The prosecutor does not have as much leeway to "demand" information from a defendant in a criminal trial, but the plaintiff's can ask for just about anything they want in a civil trial.

IF TM's family can sue, I think it is quite possible that a jury in a wrongful death case would find against GZ because the standard of proof is much lower ("preponderance of the evidence", "more likely than not" ) than "beyond a reasonable doubt".


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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:40:51 AM

Murder is always homicide, but homicide is not always murder.


Again I point you to Black's: What is HOMICIDE?
term that means to murder a person.

I'll skip the emoticons and such, its clear that you enjoy Socratic debate and really want nothing more than to drag on the defense of George Zimmerman so carry on.


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Posted: 7/27/2013 10:07:37 AM


So, the Martin's would be seeking to exact blood from a stone and at great risk to the reputation of their dead son, who I would assume they just want to let rest in peace.



You are correct that the Martins would get nothing from GZ at this point, EXCEPT whatever rights he has to tell his story for a profit. THAT is a common reason for families to pursue a civil case after a controversial trial. If they win a verdict against GZ, he has no financial incentive to sign up for a Lifetime Movie Network version of his side of the story. It certainly doesn't prevent him from telling his story and having a movie made (freedom of speech and all that), but HE would not profit from it. And if they settle out of court, the settlement might include an agreement not to sell the story by either side.

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Posted: 7/27/2013 10:17:54 AM

That's an appalling thing to say. Thinking that true justice wasn't served does not equate to wishing him dead.


What is "true justice" if not going through the court system and being found guilty or not guilty by your peers on a jury?

I don't understand this line of thinking at all.

Just because you don't like the verdict, does not equate to justice not served.

And I'm going to agree with Miz. That unless he is found dead, people will never be happy. I think all the protests "Justice for Trayvon" are ridiculous, because justice WAS served, in the same manner in which we are all entitled in this country.



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Posted: 7/27/2013 11:30:08 AM
Zimmerman was deemed not guilty by a jury of...uh...his peers as it were. Not guilty is not the same as innocent.

Whether I believe this story or not is irrelevant to my feelings about Zimmerman. I don't care if he rescued 50 orphan children out of a burning building, he's still a murderer in my eyes.

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Posted: 7/27/2013 11:34:49 AM
People are so funny.

When OJ was acquitted of murder everything was OK.
I think he did it but I did not raise hell about it.

Now there is a verdict that some people don't agree with and come hell or high water there was no justice served.

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Posted: 7/27/2013 11:35:10 AM
People are so funny.

When OJ was acquitted of murder everything was OK.
I think he did it but I did not raise hell about it.

Now there is a verdict that some people don't agree with and come hell or high water there was no justice served.

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Posted: 7/27/2013 11:44:17 AM
This came off of a blog I read.
Do anyone know if this is true or not?

"I recently learned SR things that make me recant my statement about Martin's past and character being admissible. Namely the items in hand from the store being 2/3 of the ingredients for a home made high. The texts from his phone where he received the recipe for this purple drink. The autopsy result of acute liver damage consistent with regular use of this drink. The relevance to the case comes from its side effects from long term use, paranoia and extreme aggressiveness. Also, in this memorialize and idolize Trevon phase his character at the time of the shooting must be revealed. This guy was not a hero note a poor little innocent child. He was using drugs and a thief. Shooting aside, no one should be looking at this kid as a role model, a hero or even an innocent victim. I hope these facts come out in the "justice department's" investigation."

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Posted: 7/27/2013 12:46:26 PM

This is interesting. I remember a thread on here a while back where the discussion was abortion. Several who are pro life were using the term "murder" to describe the procedure. I recall a few peas taking umbrage at that and insisting that "murder" is a legal term and thus did not apply to a legally protected medical procedure.
I'm pro life, but I actually agreed with that position. But, I think that consistency demands the same here. There really in no such thing, is there, as committing "murder in self defense"? You can say that GZ committed murder and got away with it, but is it accurate to say that he committed murder in self defense or wouldn't that be oxymoronic?


Abortion is a form of murder in my eyes. You are taking the life of someone else who is innocent of any wrong-doing.

It is a legal homicide before so many weeks and an illegal homicide (except for certain medical conditions) in the later stages of pregnancy.

Self-defense is a homicide but it is not murder. You are taking the life of someone who is NOT innocent of any wrong-doing.

Jurors that go around saying that the person they judged committed murder because they killed someone but the law made them find the person innocent of murder because that homicide did not reach the burden of proof to be considered murder are trying to keep their name off a target list. Once they did their job as a juror, their judgement no longer matters and their opinion holds no more weight than any one else's.





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Posted: 7/27/2013 8:53:55 PM

Mr. Zimmerman is Not Guilty of murder in the eyes of the law, morally, he has committed murder in self defense.
This is interesting. I remember a thread on here a while back where the discussion was abortion. Several who are pro life were using the term "murder" to describe the procedure. I recall a few peas taking umbrage at that and insisting that "murder" is a legal term and thus did not apply to a legally protected medical procedure.
I'm pro life, but I actually agreed with that position. But, I think that consistency demands the same here. There really in no such thing, is there, as committing "murder in self defense"? You can say that GZ committed murder and got away with it, but is it accurate to say that he committed murder in self defense or wouldn't that be oxymoronic?

I agree with Aslan. Homicide is the killing of one person by another. Murder is legal terminology established by the state. If a homicide is judged self-defense or otherwise justified, then it isn't murder.

I was one of those who argued that abortion cannot rightfully be called murder. I'll go one further and say it isn't homicide, either, but I know you will argue that one with me.

In any case, leave me out of the current argument, because my stand (this once) is consistent!


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Posted: 7/27/2013 10:35:31 PM
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