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Posted: 11/14/2013 2:57:36 PM


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Posted: 11/14/2013 3:00:51 PM
Speaking of trying to start something...

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Posted: 11/14/2013 4:01:46 PM
I'm getting the popcorn!

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Posted: 11/15/2013 4:18:02 PM
Who was speaking of that?













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Posted: 11/15/2013 7:09:56 PM
Let's see, since 2008 we've had threads bemoaning


Election of Obama is going to cause mayhem, looting and riots, hurry and stockpile your food and ammo.
Obama taking away our national prayer day
Obama is making gasoline prices skyrocket
Obama is going to push Ahmadinejad into going to war with us.
Obama is going to push Kim Jong Eun into striking the US with long range missiles.
(feel free to add to this list, I'm sure I'm missing a load more)

SSDD. What's it going to be next week?



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Posted: 11/15/2013 7:17:55 PM
So what is your point Enough?

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Posted: 11/15/2013 10:09:05 PM
Raising the debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
Bill Ayers was just a guy in my neighborhood.
Obama Care will reduce premiums by $2500 per family.
I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -either now or in the future.
If you like your plan you can keep your plan. Period.
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Period.
I never said if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
Benghazi was caused by a You Tube video.
I didn't set a red line on Syria.
I will close Guantanamo Bay.
We'll create shovel ready jobs.
I will cut the deficit in half.
I didn't know the IRS was targeting conservative groups.
I didn't know about the NSA was spying.
I had no idea about the AP phone tapping.
I didn't know the website wasn't working.
This is the most transparent administration in history.
Raising the debt ceiling, which has been done over a hundred times, does not increase our debt.
I believe in the second amendment.
I will not take your shotgun, your rifle, or your handgun away.

Clear enough for you, Krazyscrapper?






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Posted: 11/15/2013 10:31:35 PM

Please pass the popcorn.



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Posted: 11/16/2013 11:04:25 AM

Please pass the popcorn.
Are you under the impression that anyone can defend the leader of our country lying to the people and then lying about lying? Are you under the impression there will be any debate on that fact?

More likely it would be discussed. No one can argue that it happened. No popcorn necessary.




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Posted: 11/16/2013 12:45:43 PM

...the leader of our country lying to the people and then lying about lying?




Same shit, different administration.



Politics is made up of bullshit.
And until BOTH sides own up to their own BS instead of pointing fingers in mock outrage
NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

The Rs need to jump on R bs & stop it, and the Ds need to put and end to the D bs.

This ongoing hysteria regarding the evils of the other is apathy inducing and needs to stop.

You, "Enough", are part of the problem.




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Posted: 11/16/2013 3:30:46 PM
This isn't about sides, Sue.













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Posted: 11/16/2013 3:55:24 PM
IMO Enough your intense dislike of President Obama make you incapable of making creditable points about what the President is doing right and wrong.

I read your little list and it reinforces my opinion. But carry on if it makes you happy.


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Posted: 11/16/2013 4:08:36 PM
With Obama being in the news so much this week, I was hoping this thread was about something happening right now.

This is why the Republicans lost the last election - by allowing anything other than the economics of Obamacare to dominate the conversation.


Why not further dilute the message that the President is failing and bring up abortion?





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Posted: 11/16/2013 4:11:47 PM

...the leader of our country lying to the people and then lying about lying?
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Same shit, different administration.


This! In all sincerity- is there a President who didn't lie to serve his own agenda? Not saying it's right but it certainly is politics.

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Posted: 11/16/2013 4:27:18 PM

IMO Enough your intense dislike of President Obama make you incapable of making creditable points about what the President is doing right and wrong.

I read your little list and it reinforces my opinion.
I don't actually dislike Obama, I dislike what he's doing. My "little list" is of things he has said. That's as "creditable" as it gets, Krazyscrapper.






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Posted: 11/16/2013 4:47:50 PM
Actually Enough its a interesting little list of half truths that when you look at the big picture it's not as you would like one to believe.

And I'm not buying your comment that you don't dislike the President. Sorry.

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Posted: 11/16/2013 5:03:24 PM
Whether Enough likes or dislikes the President doesn't change what the President has said.

Once in a while, it would be nice for people to stop bashing her and just focus on the points she makes.

Pretty ridiculous that Obama is making such big news right now in our country, and all anyone can do is deride Enough instead of addressing her actual concerns.


ETA - and that includes me. Enough, you wanted to talk about gun control. No, I don't trust what the President said for one second about his intentions on this any more than I do about what he said about health care.






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Posted: 11/16/2013 5:38:16 PM
Ah Mrs Tyler I really hate to point this out to you bit I will. IMO you fall into the same category as Enough. Your intense dislike of The President makes you incapable of making any creditable points about The President as well.

I'm a supporter of The President but I don't agree with everything he does. While there may be some valid points in Enough's list they are negated by the silliness of some of the others.

Too many people waste so much energy in trying to do a "Gotcha" on the President and not look at the entire story or the big picture one just can't take anything they say seriously.


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Posted: 11/16/2013 5:41:30 PM

Same shit, different administration.



Politics is made up of bullshit.
And until BOTH sides own up to their own BS instead of pointing fingers in mock outrage
NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

The Rs need to jump on R bs & stop it, and the Ds need to put and end to the D bs.

This ongoing hysteria regarding the evils of the other is apathy inducing and needs to stop.

You, "Enough", are part of the problem.


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Posted: 11/16/2013 5:43:09 PM

Too many people waste so much energy in trying to do a "Gotcha" on the President and not look at the entire story or the big picture one just can't take anything they say seriously.


Good thing that only happens with the president and not anyone else, especially no one here. No one named Enough, for instance.








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Posted: 11/16/2013 5:59:02 PM
Actually Lefty cherry picking happens on both sides. Problem is a lot on the left think only the folks on the right are doing it and right think only the folks on the left cherry pick.

That is why I like disinterested third parties. But they are becoming harder and harder to find. I may not like what they may say but I'm more likely to listen to what they have to say then oh let's say Enough and Mrs. Tyler to name a couple. This assessment is based on their past posts. And I'm sure the same can be said about me and some others on the left.

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Posted: 11/16/2013 6:19:36 PM
Mark it on your calendar. I agree with something Krazy said. What's this.... the second time that's happened?



Actually Lefty cherry picking happens on both sides. Problem is a lot on the left think only the folks on the right are doing it and right think only the folks on the left cherry pick.






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Posted: 11/16/2013 6:27:27 PM

Actually Enough its a interesting little list of half truths that when you look at the big picture it's not as you would like one to believe.
They aren't half truths, they are things he has flat out said. Can you enlighten me to the big picture that you say I'm missing on those points?


And I'm not buying your comment that you don't dislike the President. Sorry.
Well you don't have to buy it, but you not buying it doesn't make it not true. The fact is, I would have a problem with whoever was doing and saying the things he says and does.






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ETA - and that includes me. Enough, you wanted to talk about gun control. No, I don't trust what the President said for one second about his intentions on this any more than I do about what he said about health care.
Exactly. The things he says and does and the people he surrounds himself with and their words and actions paint a much different picture than what he claims.







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Posted: 11/16/2013 6:45:56 PM

Obama Care will reduce premiums by $2500 per family.


Well mine increased $2500 -- I guess to pay for someone else's decrease


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Posted: 11/16/2013 8:13:18 PM
Yeah what she said!!




Same shit, different administration.



Politics is made up of bullshit.
And until BOTH sides own up to their own BS instead of pointing fingers in mock outrage
NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

The Rs need to jump on R bs & stop it, and the Ds need to put and end to the D bs.

This ongoing hysteria regarding the evils of the other is apathy inducing and needs to stop.
























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Posted: 11/16/2013 8:52:06 PM

IMO Enough your intense dislike of President Obama make you incapable of making creditable points about what the President is doing right and wrong.

I read your little list and it reinforces my opinion. But carry on if it makes you happy.

Comments like that from Krazyscrapper really make me laugh. Thanks! I need that. I don't think your intense love of Obama has allowed you to see a single flaw in the years that he has been president. But you go ahead and talk about how biased Enough is. Too funny!!





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Posted: 11/16/2013 8:59:20 PM
I'm not a fan of this administration at all. But this kind of post isn't going to change minds or cause a sudden epiphany. It's just fist bumps on the right and eye rolls on the left. I don't get the point of it at all.



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Posted: 11/16/2013 9:40:55 PM
It's Saturday night and Enough/Lauren has nothing to do (as usual) so she starts an "Obama sucks because:" threads for attention. Ignoring her is the best thing to do. Have you forgotten how much Lauren loves to argue and how Mrs T always kisses her a$$?

IGNORE HER!

ETA: She started this thread 2 days ago but I'm sure she bumped it tonight.



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Posted: 11/17/2013 2:37:11 PM

It's just fist bumps on the right and eye rolls on the left. I don't get the point of it at all.
It's talking about what's going on in our world. Not fist bumping.








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Posted: 11/18/2013 11:22:57 AM

You act as if I care if YOU think I'm credible regarding the President. Your intense love for the man and inability to acknowledge his failures as a leader makes your opinion of him and me worthless. Why on earth would I worry about your opinion of my political convictions? How incredibly narcissistic to think YOUR approval is what I'm striving for.



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STANDING O FOR SUESUEME!!!

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Posted: 11/18/2013 12:50:51 PM
When are we going to admit that it is congress that needs to change and not necessary the President? They can hang out for as long as they want, no wonder why things don't change. You can have the best of idea as a President, but can't do much about them if congress won't pass it.

I'm not taking sides in this Presidential debate, just let's stop complaining about the President and start complaining about Congress. That is where the real problem lies...(pun intended)


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Posted: 11/18/2013 1:21:54 PM
Ok Krazyscrapper, I'm still waiting for you to explain the lies you say there is a reason for telling.












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Posted: 11/18/2013 2:40:53 PM

When are we going to admit that it is congress that needs to change and not necessary the President?


1) Congressional approval is at an all time low. You're fooling yourself if you think people are happy with them.

2) The President makes runs around Congress, usurping their authority for such things as declaring that the we can delay following the Obamacare that is named after him now that it's the law of the land. No, now that it is the law of the land, it needs to be followed like other laws of the land unless and until Congress makes changes to it, as they have done and will do with many other laws of the land.

3) This President didn't just campaign for his job before he was elected in '08, he campaigned throughout his entire first term. He made criticisms of previous administrations while continuing the same policies, in some cases even strengthening what he campaigned against, yet never admits that they may have been right. (Think Gitmo. Think drone strikes. Think electronic surveillance. Think transparency. Just think.)

4) Obama the man promised to change America into something Americans do not want. Along with one party of Congress, he has seized control of our nation's health insurance by simultaneously arguing it was not a tax, and it IS a tax before the Supreme Court. For those who disagreed with him, he has been extremely dismissive, arrogant and publicly condescending - no matter if the criticisms were just and we now face the logical consequences of his rash, mad push to change 1/6 of our economy.


We have had many fine leaders who fully embraced being the leader of all the people and behaved that way. Obama falls far short of that, resorting instead to leading one party and hammering the other.

Not to mention the big deal he made about how foolish we as a nation looked under George Bush and he would bring new respect for the US throughout the world. Yeah. That's happened.


This isn't just the president, and it isn't just Congress or just the Democrats, but for goodness sakes, Obama is accountable for much.






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Posted: 11/18/2013 3:57:37 PM

Ok Krazyscrapper, I'm still waiting for you to explain the lies you say there is a reason for telling.


lie - a false statement DELIBERATELY presented as being true. Something MEANT to deceive or give a wrong impression.

misstep - a mistake in judgement or action - Blunder

Ok Enough look at the two definitions above and make your case for the "lies" you claim the President is making.

You throw these little "lies" out there with nothing really to back them up. Oh you attach some article or a you tube video like its gospel but with no hard facts. Its some person's spin who is cherry picking the facts to make their point. It's usually some person on the right trying to do a "gotcha".

What these guys are hoping for is that no one will actually check the facts but buy into what that are spinning. But see I check. I read these things and my first thought is what has he done now and go and look to find the entire story or chain of events. More often then not I find that when you look at the entire story or the complete chain of events its not what is being presented. In some cases they are right on much to my dismay.

Notice I also put the definition of misstep/blunder. I do believe the President has done a couple of big blunders that could have been handled better. And to be honest, in the name of national security, the President may have been less than forthcoming about certain facts. But so what. We don't need to know everything. And you can bet that goes with the job and Presidents from George Washington on down have probably had to do the same thing.

The way I see it is if you feel the President is lying then its up to you to make the case using solid facts. After looking at your list I believe that you have failed. Without doing much checking I know several are not quite true and a couple are so who cares.


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Posted: 11/18/2013 5:46:41 PM

lie - a false statement DELIBERATELY presented as being true. Something MEANT to deceive or give a wrong impression.


make your case for the "lies"


Obama went to school, passed the bar and became a lawyer. He should understand what Fraud in the Inducement means.

He made specific promises to the American people. There was no wiggle room for misinterpretation. It is incomprehensible that he was not aware this new legislation would present severe difficulties and it is inconceivable that he was not in the loop as these problems developed.

Yet still, he continued to make specific promises to the American people while manipulating 1/6 of our economy into complete chaos.

The man is accountable.







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Posted: 11/18/2013 5:57:05 PM

While there may be some valid points in Enough's list they are negated by the silliness of some of the others.


Simple solution.

Address the ones that are valid. Ignore the ones that aren't. Don't throw them all out.

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Posted: 11/18/2013 6:21:22 PM

What these guys are hoping for is that no one will actually check the facts but buy into what that are spinning.


Fact: According to the White House, less than 27,000 people had actually signed up for the federal exchange. (dated within the week)

Fact: More people have signed a petition to deport Piers Morgan than have so far signed up for Obamacare. As if 11/14/13, there were 109,334 signatures.

Fact: More people have signed a petition to build a Death Star than have signed up for Obamacare. There are over 34,000 signatures.

Fact: More people can fit into Michigan Stadium than have signed up for Obamacare. It seats 109,901 people.

Fact: More people are enrolled in the University of Phoenix than have signed up for Obamacare. Enrollment is 307,871.

Fact: Woodstock had more people attend than have signed up for Obamacare. The crowd was over 400,000 people.

Fact: More people in England and Wales have listed "Jedi Knight" as their religious belief in the 2011 census than have signed up for Obamacare. The Jedis number over 170,000.

Fact: More people have applied to go to Mars than have signed up for Obamacare. There are over 200,000 applications.

Fact: Don Gorske has consumed about the same number of Big Macs as people who have signed up for Obamacare. As of Jan. 2013, he had consumed over 26,000. Eating an average of 2 Big Macs a day, Gorske and Obamacare are in a virtual tie.

Fact: The dating service for married men and women seeking an extramarital affair has had more people sign up than people have signed up for Obamacare. The site reports 5.2 million members.

Fact: More people have lost their insurance due to Obamacare than have signed up for Obamacare. According to HHS, about 5,000,000 people have lost their insurance.

Piers Morgan himself tweets the news

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Posted: 11/18/2013 6:29:03 PM
Ok Krazyscrapper, then which ones were lies, which ones were blunders and which ones were told in the name of national security?












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Posted: 11/19/2013 9:48:21 AM
Read your post lefty but what is missing is an answer to the question WHAT deliberate lies has the President told? It is a simple question. It's like you guys are saying I know he does lie I just know he does but I can't prove it. But I just know.

Enough its your list with no facts. It's up to you to make your case and haven't IMO. Take one anyone item from your list and connect the dots and make your case.

As to the ACA. A poll came out today most Americans are unhappy with the ACA and they are holding The President responsible. Fair enough. However while the majority is unhappy with the ACA they don't want it repealed they want it fixed. And no I can't post the poll here because I'm in route to work and doing this from my phone & I don't know how to cut/paste. Point is lefty at this point your little list means nothing. In March it might but not right now. Not at all.







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Posted: 11/19/2013 11:20:54 AM

It's like you guys are saying I know he does lie I just know he does but I can't prove it. But I just know.
You can't be serious! Even the president has acknowledged the latest lie and come out and publicly apologized for it. Are you living under a rock or just in your own little fantasy world?






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Posted: 11/19/2013 11:37:16 AM
A shovel ready job

On your little list is "shovel ready jobs" I'm guessing you mean the stimulus package didn't work. Well it did. Take a look. Be sure and scroll down to the funding for this project.

After the 1989 earthquake in the Bay Area it was determined that the San Francisco approach to the Golden Gate Bridge wouldn't survive an earthquake of the size that hit the San Jose area in 89. They came up with plans for the new approach but didn't have all the funding they needed to get started. Because this was a "shovel ready" job they did receive a chunk of the stimulus money and was able to start the job. That was over 2 years ago and they are still going strong. They hope to be finished in I believe in 2015.

There are other "shovel ready" jobs including building the fourth bore in the Caldecott Tunnel in the East Bay. Again they had planned to build the fourth bore for years but didn't have all the money. Another shovel ready job that received stimulus money. The 4th bore opened this past week making a lot of commuters very happy.

And finally the San Francisco Transbay Terminal, again another shovel ready job that had been in the planning stages for years but just needed the final financing. They received stimulus money as noted below. They started the project about 2 years ago and will be finished in 2015.


Another Shovel Ready Job

There are others, and some failures for sure, but you ask any of the workers who are working and worked these jobs if they feel the stimulus package was failure I'm pretty sure they will say no.


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Interesting tidbit on GMA this morning, 49% of registered voters would vote for Romney over Obama's 45% if they could redo their 2012 vote.


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Posted: 11/19/2013 12:08:31 PM

Even the president has acknowledged the latest lie and come out and publicly apologized for it.



Was it a deliberate lie or a blunder on the White House's part. Did the White House/President deliberately set out to mislead the American People or did they not do their homework and make a blunder?

You look at everything as black and white. Look at the big picture. Look at the "grandfather clause" in the ACA. Notice the big loophole there for insurance companies?

An Insurance Co Ex in CA came out and said they don't want the indiviual policies anymore. What they want are all these guys in the exchange. You don't think that with 2 years from the time the bill was signed until now with the loophole in the ACA the insurance companies wouldn't find a way to push the individual policy holders into the exchange? Really?

Yes the White House/President mishandled the you can keep your insurnace but based on what I'm reading the insurance companies blindsided the ACA when it came to the individual policy holders.

Remember the insurance companies, who choose to write heatlh care insurance, can no longer pick and choose who they want to insure. And they can no longer cap the payments. And they now have to treat mental illness like any other sickness. All these changes increase the insurance companies exposure to paying out more in claims. So what did you think they were going to do? Especially since there is no guarantee the young healthy folks are going to buy insurance.


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Posted: 11/19/2013 12:41:56 PM

On your little list is "shovel ready jobs" I'm guessing you mean the stimulus package didn't work.
No. After claiming over and over he had shovel ready jobs, he came out and admitted there is no such thing as shovel ready jobs.









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Posted: 11/19/2013 12:47:53 PM

Was it a deliberate lie or a blunder on the White House's part. Did the White House/President deliberately set out to mislead the American People or did they not do their homework and make a blunder?

You look at everything as black and white. Look at the big picture. Look at the "grandfather clause" in the ACA. Notice the big loophole there for insurance companies?


Does anyone have that "beating my head against a wall till dead" smilie handy?

Krazy, it was a deliberate LIE. If you were reading and watching something other than your far left wing sources, you'd see that. Well...a rational thinking person would see that anyway.

They KNEW. All of them. ALL of the Democrats KNEW that this law was NOT going to allow us to keep our insurance, Period. They KNEW that their "Grandfather clause" would actually facilitate the cancellation of million of policies. Now you are trying to explain it away by calling it a "blunder"? What the hell do you take us for, huh Krazy?

Senator Gillenbrand admitted it on Sunday. She said that she does not feel mislead by Obama because "We all knew".

They ALL knew, as WE DID...that there was NO way that insurance companies would continue to offer most plans on the individual markets, when faced with the strangling regulations forced upon them by the ACA. WE ALL KNEW that the laws of economics and markets would not allow insurance to remain the same when government curatils their abilities to make profits and cover their losses.

Your President/dictator in waiting LIED to us all, Krazy. Your inability to admit as much is a most frightening phenomenon.

By the way...please point me to these "big loopholes" in the grandfather clause that you see...because all I see are loopholes that are crafted into nice nooses, just waiting for the chance to tighten around the necks of the insurance companies as the political sacrificial lambs needed to give cover to the lies that the Dems knew they were telling.





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Posted: 11/19/2013 12:51:54 PM

Was it a deliberate lie or a blunder on the White House's part. Did the White House/President deliberately set out to mislead the American People or did they not do their homework and make a blunder?
When you have the architects of the law telling them years ahead of time that this would happen, I would say it was an out and out lie.

Now you have the president just recently telling the American people (as he's apologizing for the latest whopper of a lie) that it will only be a small percentage of individual policies getting cancelled, as his DOJ is in court testifying, just 2 weeks prior to this latest claim of his, that the group policies will all be canceled next.

So you can believe that he's a very ineffective leader and nobody tells him anything about what's going on with his signature law, his very legacy, and what's going on with the country he's running, or that he's an outright liar to get what he wants. Take your pick. Guess which one is more likely?






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Posted: 11/19/2013 12:51:58 PM

It's like you guys are saying I know he does lie I just know he does but I can't prove it. But I just know.



Us guys? Like we're all in a room somewhere together taking turns posting.

Sorry, but no. It doesn't work that way.

So let me spell it out for you. I haven't called the president a liar. I don't need to back up something I haven't claimed. What I have said is that I think he's accountable for what he has said.




Point is lefty at this point your little list means nothing. In March it might but not right now. Not at all.

Heh! To you, maybe. To me, I need to find new health insurance for my family and this inadequate government interference makes me concerned for our security.








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Posted: 11/19/2013 1:00:45 PM

Was it a deliberate lie or a blunder on the White House's part. Did the White House/President deliberately set out to mislead the American People or did they not do their homework and make a blunder?


Krazy, you aren't being honest here.

They made a blunder.

They did not do their homework.

Lame.





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