Man pays $350,000 to hunt endangered rhino, says by doing so he is going to "conserve" the species
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Posted: 1/17/2014 6:19:57 PM
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Dallas (CNN) -- Corey Knowlton is on edge sitting inside a Las Vegas hotel room, surrounded by a private security detail, explaining why he spent $350,000 for the chance to hunt a black rhinoceros in the southern African nation of Namibia.

"If I sound emotional, it's because I have people threatening my kids," Knowlton told CNN. "It's because I have people threatening to kill me right now [that] I'm having to talk to the FBI and have private security to keep my children from being skinned alive and shot at."

Knowlton was outed over social media as the winner of the Dallas Safari Club's auction for a black rhino hunting permit from the Namibian government last weekend. It didn't take long for the threats and vitriol to start pouring in.

"You are a BARBARIAN. People like you need to be the innocent that are hunted," posted one woman on Knowlton's Facebook page.

Some sounded even more sinister. "I find you and I will KILL you," read another threat. "I have friends who live in the area and will have you in there sights also," wrote another commenter.

"A hunter afraid of being hunted?! How do you think the rhino feels idiot?" responded one woman to Knowlton's fears.

Despite the backlash, Knowlton has decided to engage the raging debate over how to protect an endangered species, such as the black rhino, by putting down his own money to help save the species and raise awareness about wildlife conservation.

"I respect the black rhino," said Knowlton. "A lot of people say, 'Do you feel like a bigger man?' or 'Is this a thrill for you?' The thrill is knowing that we are preserving wildlife resources, not for the next generation, but for eons."

Knowlton, 35, is a Dallas-based hunting consultant for The Hunting Consortium, an international guide service. He's also the co-host of a hunting show on The Outdoor Channel called "Jim Shockey's The Professionals." Knowlton's online biography says he's hunted more than 120 species on almost every continent.

Hunting has long been a passion of his -- Knowlton said he started hunting as a young boy. He said he grew up poor, but made a good living in oil production.

"I'm a hunter. I want to experience a black rhino. I want to be there and be a part of it. I believe in the cycle of life. I don't believe that meat, you know, comes from the grocery store. I believe that animal died and I respect it," Knowlton said Thursday night on CNN's "Piers Morgan Live."

He describes himself as a passionate conservationist and desperately wants to explain to his critics why hunting one old black rhino can help save critically endangered species around the world. He knows it's a difficult conversation full of scathing-hot emotion.

The Humane Society opposed the Dallas Safari Club Auction and says it plans to fight Knowlton's efforts to bring the black rhino trophy into the United States.

If Knowlton does hunt and kill the black rhino, he'll need a special permit from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to import the animal into the country under the Endangered Species Act.

Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of The Humane Society, wrote in an online blog post that killing one endangered animal to save the species is an "Orwellian idea" and worries that it will inspire hunters to pay millions of dollars for the chance to kill orangutans, elephants or tigers.

"Where will it end?" wrote Pacelle. "The first rule of protecting the rarest animals in the world is to protect each living member of that species."

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But Knowlton argues that, in this instance, killing one black rhino will protect the species throughout Namibia and that this idea is supported by scientists and conservationists around the world.

Of the world's approximately 5,000 black rhinos, about 1,700 are in Namibia.

Knowlton says the Namibian government has identified a handful of black rhinos that can be hunted. These are animals that are old, no longer capable of breeding and are considered a dangerous threat to other younger animals.

He said the threat to the rhino is from its own kind. "One of the other ear-tagged killer rhinos is going to injure it. And then either lions or hyenas are going to drag it down. It's going to die [in] a horrible manner, slowly."

So Knowlton argues, why not let a hunter pay a massive amount of money to take out a threat to the rest of the species. The Dallas Safari Club says the $350,000 paid by Knowlton will be donated to the Namibian government's black rhino conservation efforts.

"As much as I would love them all to live forever, they are going to die," said Knowlton. "The older males are killing each other, and something has to be done about it."

Knowlton's supporters say this conservation strategy is based in smart science. The International Union for Conservation of Nature supported the Dallas Safari Club's black rhino hunting permit auction.

The union says its mission is to work with governments and conservation groups around the world to find "practical solutions" to conservation efforts around the world.

It also says "trophy hunting is a fundamental pillar of Namibia's conservation approach and instrumental in its success." And that "well-managed recreational hunting and trophy hunting" have had a positive impact in "stimulating population increases for rhino."

But other animal rights organizations have criticized this conservation strategy and argue that the better focus would be eco-tourism, raising money from people willing to pay to see endangered animals up close in the wild.

Knowlton says the intense and controversial publicity leading up to the Dallas Safari Club auction scared several serious bidders away. Knowlton said going into the auction there were about 10 serious bidders, but by the time the bidding started, that number had dwindled to about three.

"It was the most unfortunate thing. There were people willing to spend $500,000 to a million dollars," said Knowlton. "After what I'm going through now, I understand why they decided not to do it."

Knowlton says he does not yet when he'll schedule his hunting expedition to Namibia. A great deal of planning and preparation must be done, he said.

Knowlton wants to preserve the black rhino's hide and then donate the rhino meat to needy communities in Namibia.

"I speak with my heart. I'm passionate about this," said Knowlton. "I think with the money that I contributed, with everything that is at stake and everything there is to be gained by the world to learn about sustainable use, I think this could be the greatest experience of my life."

Knowlton says if the hunt doesn't go perfectly it could also be one of the worst experiences of his life.

"I don't think it makes me a bigger man; I actually think, Piers, I think it could make me a dead man," he told CNN's Morgan.

"This is probably the most dangerous situation that I'll ever be in outside of walking around right now with all the people that want to kill me."


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Posted: 1/17/2014 6:23:50 PM
This won't be a popular opinion (and I myself still have some problem with it), but



Knowlton says the Namibian government has identified a handful of black rhinos that can be hunted. These are animals that are old, no longer capable of breeding and are considered a dangerous threat to other younger animals.


These particular rhinos were going to be culled from the herd anyway because they are endangering the rest of the herd. If the Namibian government can earn money towards preservation at the same time, I don't exactly see what the difference is.

Old, aggressive animals that they plan to kill off to preserve the herd are no less dead because the government does it than if a hunter does it.

ETA: This is no different than county licenses to hunt deer or other animals in the US. It's herd management. A limited number of licenses are issued based on the herd population in order to keep the current herds strong (unlimited animals lead to limited food and old, sick animals that take down the entire herd).


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Posted: 1/17/2014 6:38:16 PM
I think there's a heck of a lot of other things to spend $350,000 on that are more important.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 6:57:10 PM
Getting my popcorn out for this one.

By the way my dh hunted a rino, with a dart , had a vet along that treated the rino, took care of an eye infection and tagged it, he didn't kill it though.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:02:04 PM
I despise big game hunting. Is this fellow going to eat his kill?


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:11:27 PM
I find what this man is doing is vile and disgusting , though I know I may be in the minority here. Hunting for sport is, IMO, barbaric. Hunting for sustenance is completely different.
I also find the comments and threats that are made to him disgusting.

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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:11:31 PM
Many reports and experts have said that these particular rhinos can no longer reproduce, consume resources the herd needs, and become violent which may kill young rhinos.

So my opinion is that this article is wrongly perceived as people wanting to kill an endangered species solely for sport. In fact, all the money goes to the species protection project and helps nature since there are no predators on the protected preserve.

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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:12:31 PM
I reluctantly agree with Carla... Reluctant, because I have an inherent issue with those who want a dead animals head on their wall. I have no issue with hunting per se...

Trollie, I recently saw a video of what happens to the body of an elephant killed during a hunt. I don't know if this is what happens in most or just some hunts in the areas of Africa where hunting is allowed, but it was impressive how the animal was completely utilized by the local people. Regardless, I still cringe at hunting big game.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:13:45 PM
Are you people reading the article or following the story? Predators are not taking out ill, elderly rhinos which consume limited resources. Deer hunts do the same thing. The herds are becoming strained due to elderly , non productive rhinos. Killing a few , the key word is few, rhinos will help the entire herd.

How is it different than a game warden going to intentionally kill an ill rhino? The point of the hunt and raffle is to preserve the population. Good grief.

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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:16:26 PM
I think if he is really such a "passionate conservationist" he would donate the 350K towards conservation efforts. Or any number of good causes. He's just trying to pretty up the fact that he's paying an outrageous amt of $ for the chance to shoot a gun at an animal.



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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:18:40 PM

Trollie, I recently saw a video of what happens to the body of an elephant killed during a hunt. I don't know if this is what happens in most or just some hunts in the areas of Africa where hunting is allowed, but it was impressive how the animal was completely utilized by the local people. Regardless, I still cringe at hunting big game.


That is good, but can't they just humanely quarantine this older rhino?


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:19:16 PM
I think this man is doing the right thing. The reasoning and logic behind this that the hunter is using has proved efficient and helpful in conserving the species.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:21:34 PM
Anna, I feel the same way. I'm married to a hunter (well, he hasn't in a long time) and my dad was a hunter. But they ate what they killed. They hunted both for sport and food. (I hate venison but my husband thinks it's the food of the gods )

The government could have killed off these rhinos and no one would be the wiser and no fuss would be made. Instead they came up with a way to make money for a cause. And this guy is getting his life threatened because he chose to participate.

Rather ironic if you ask me.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:21:58 PM
I can not get worked up about this at all. After reading the article, I have no issue with this.

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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:25:21 PM

I think if he is really such a "passionate conservationist" he would donate the 350K towards conservation efforts.


He is. It just happens to come with the right to hunt an animal that is scheduled to be culled from the herd anyway.

This is sort of local to me (the Dallas part, not the Namibia part) so there are a lot of articles in the newspaper about it. Although THIS article doesn't say it, other articles clearly stated that these animals were not going to be simply separated. They are scheduled to be killed. They are old, aggressive, and taking up otherwise valuable resources for the rest of the herd.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:26:08 PM

but can't they just humanely quarantine this older rhino


Namibia is not a zoo. These are wild animals.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:28:53 PM
I don't usually support hunting for sport, but in this case, I agree with the premise of this hunt.

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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:30:07 PM
Still does not sit well with me. What can you possibly get from shooting an animal for pure sport? If he was hunting for food to feed his family, I would totally understand, but this is not the case.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:44:37 PM
I don't really have a problem with it. I'm not a hunter myself and wouldn't want to be, but honestly, I don't care if others enjoy it, as long as they aren't torturing the animals.

These are animals that have to go anyway. Might as well let someone indulge his inner hunter/gatherer, and make some money for protecting other rhinos while they're at it.

The people threatening the hunter, though ... that's another matter. Is this kind of crap actually protected by the first amendment?


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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:53:43 PM
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Quoted from the article: Knowlton wants to preserve the black rhino's hide and then donate the rhino meat to needy communities in Namibia.


I hate the idea of hunting for sport, but after reading the entire article, I'm not angry at this man. This really got me:

He said the threat to the rhino is from its own kind. "One of the other ear-tagged killer rhinos is going to injure it. And then either lions or hyenas are going to drag it down. It's going to die [in] a horrible manner, slowly."

As far as people threatening this man and his children, I think it's sick.



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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:54:43 PM
I don't like what he's doing one bit and I feel a strong dislike for this guy (and his type) after reading this article.





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Posted: 1/17/2014 7:59:35 PM
Isn't the whole idea behind wildlife management programs that allow in season only and/or bag limits (or with fishing, size limits) to manage species sustainability?

I remember I took a class in college that explained why we have those types of limits. In order to preserve homeostasis within the species, there has to be a way to cull the old, infirm, etc. Otherwise, there is competition for the resources, which if limited, can decrease the group in general.

For example, here in Florida, there is a very limited hunting season for alligators. For most of my life, it was completely illegal to do so, but the population was growing so large that it was becoming a problem-for other gators, others species that comprised their food source and for humans. So they now allow a limited, by lottery only, hunting season to control population growth.

So I can see why someone who is in to conservation would think they way he does. He is paying money that ultimately goes into conservation programs, and he is going to do what will ultimately help to grow the herd.

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Are you people reading the article or following the story? Predators are not taking out ill, elderly rhinos which consume limited resources. Deer hunts do the same thing. The herds are becoming strained due to elderly , non productive rhinos. Killing a few , the key word is few, rhinos will help the entire herd.

How is it different than a game warden going to intentionally kill an ill rhino? The point of the hunt and raffle is to preserve the population. Good grief.


I think what is off putting to me is that people are bidding for the thrill to kill these animals. If you are a conservationist, then donate $350,000 for animal conservation, without the reward of killing and mounting a trophy. It's not the fact that there are rhinos that need to be put down that is a problem for me. Have the proper authorities manage that in a humane way. No matter what thus guy says, there is nothing respectful about this to the rhinos, beginning with auctioning off the "privilege" to kill these animals. Killing a living thing should never be considered a prize. I can almost buy that hunting is necessary for population control and food. But you will never convince me it's a sport. In a sport, all participants have an opportunity to compete on a level playing field. Hunting is not sport. The premise of the auction scenario just sits wrongly with me. When you treat killing these animals as a prize or privilege, poaching and illegal killing will continue.


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I think what is off putting to me is that people are bidding for the thrill to kill these animals. If you are a conservationist, then donate $350,000 for animal conservation, without the reward of killing and mounting a trophy. It's not the fact that there are rhinos that need to be put down that is a problem for me. Have the proper authorities manage that in a humane way. No matter what thus guy says, there is nothing respectful about this to the rhinos, beginning with auctioning off the "privilege" to kill these animals. Killing a living thing should never be considered a prize. I can almost buy that hunting is necessary for population control and food. But you will never convince me it's a sport. In a sport, all participants have an opportunity to compete on a level playing field. Hunting is not sport. The premise of the auction scenario just sits wrongly with me. When you treat killing these animals as a prize or privilege, poaching and illegal killing will continue.



This pretty much sums it up for me.

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Posted: 1/17/2014 8:43:24 PM
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When you treat killing these animals as a prize or privilege, poaching and illegal killing will continue.
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The opposite is true. When communities benefit from the money paid to hunt animals, they do their best to protect them and stop the poaching that threatens their income. In the previous conservation schemes, only the poachers benefitted, and the community had nothing to gain from stopping them. It essentially encourages the community to treat endangered species as assets and manage them like they would livestock, being mindful of protecting their assets for long term use and not just immediate short term payout.


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I think what is off putting to me is that people are bidding for the thrill to kill these animals. If you are a conservationist, then donate $350,000 for animal conservation, without the reward of killing and mounting a trophy. It's not the fact that there are rhinos that need to be put down that is a problem for me. Have the proper authorities manage that in a humane way. No matter what thus guy says, there is nothing respectful about this to the rhinos, beginning with auctioning off the "privilege" to kill these animals. Killing a living thing should never be considered a prize. I can almost buy that hunting is necessary for population control and food. But you will never convince me it's a sport. In a sport, all participants have an opportunity to compete on a level playing field. Hunting is not sport. The premise of the auction scenario just sits wrongly with me. When you treat killing these animals as a prize or privilege, poaching and illegal killing will continue.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 10:48:44 PM
I have met and know real hunters. They don't bait animals and Elmer Fudd, blam blam blam, them. They spend time doing what nature drives most hunters of all species to do, they watch, they carefully calculate, they maneuver and stalk stealthily. It's not my sport; I could never do it because I couldn't kill an animal unless it was threatening me, a family member or a pet/animal of mine. But I get that it is sport and it requires thought and skill.


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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:01:11 PM
Not a fan of hunting. 120 species blows my mind. This guy wants a trophy and justifies it with his donation.



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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:09:21 PM
Hunting for sport alone is reprehensible. Since this is not that, I'm good with it.

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Posted: 1/17/2014 11:27:31 PM
Since they have to cull the herd anyway, I don't have a problem with it.


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Posted: 1/18/2014 11:28:22 AM
I don't think hunting for a trophy is okay.
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Posted: 1/18/2014 11:31:30 AM
I think that it sets a horrible precedent. One of the biggest threats to large mammals in Africa is poaching. Permitting any hunting of big game and permitting any sales flies in the face of efforts to curtail poaching.

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Can I add something about deer? I live in a small area populated by 10,000 deer. I am not exaggerating. The game people were out and were able to identify this number from their counts. (I don't know how). Lots of these animals have to go. They are inbred, destroying habitats for birds as they are eating the seeds the birds would eat, destroying wildlife as well as people's gardens and can get aggressive during mating season. The city is going to take out about 20 and donate the whole animal to a local Indigenous tribe from the area. The city is taking out 20 deer. Compared to 10,000 which is in my area not the area where they are taking them from.

Sick rhinos are a problem that many people would never have considered. I was angry when I read the first couple of lines of the article too. If the old "cows and bulls" are dangerous to the younger population then something has to be done about their conservation. I don't know that this guy going on an expensive thrill-seeking hunt is the right thing, but I do agree that the Namibian government should do something.

What an ugly situation to have

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Posted: 1/18/2014 12:34:59 PM

He said the threat to the rhino is from its own kind. "One of the other ear-tagged killer rhinos is going to injure it. And then either lions or hyenas are going to drag it down. It's going to die [in] a horrible manner, slowly."
And what's wrong with that? That's the way nature works. Last I heard, lions could use the food.



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Posted: 1/18/2014 1:06:16 PM
After reading the article, I do not have an issue with *this* particular hunt. A great deal of money will go to conservation efforts, and the meat from the animal (who is scheduled to be killed anyway) will feed hungry people.

I would be interested in hearing whether his other hunts were for conservation, or for pure sport. 120 species...

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Posted: 1/18/2014 4:04:56 PM
WWF (World Wide Fund for Animals) lists the Black Rhino as a species that is CRITICALLY ENDANGERED. Black Rhinos aren't just endangered, they are critically endangered!

This is completely 180 degrees away from culling out a deer herd. The man in this article makes me sick to my stomach. His reasoning has no basis in fact. He is just saying what he is saying to justify what he wants to do-without complete disregard to the planet. He is the lowest, vile form of existence in my humble opinion.

There are other ways to manage these old, problem Rhinos. Killing one and bringing back the hide to hang on your wall (oh, look-you bagged a Black Rhino) isn't it! What is wrong with letting nature take care of the problem itself? Lions do have to eat and it seems to me letting nature and the cycle of life take care of it in their own way is the best idea. Or better yet, humanely euthanize the old Rhinos that have been proven to be harming the herd by staying alive. You say that will cost money and no one will pay it? I'll be more than happy to set up a petition to raise the funds to have this done. I bet I can raise enough fairly quickly as opposed to this barbarian going in and hunting the Black Rhino.

Any time you let hunting like this (killing a critically endangered species for sport) take place you are setting the stage for more hunters who want to come and do the same thing. It is a horrible idea. I hope there is still time for something to change to keep this from occurring. I plan to research the article and keep an eye out to see if The Humane Society and WWF are trying to do to stop this. If they are they will have my full support.

He says he's killed 120 species and sounds like he's proud of that fact. I wonder how many of those were endangered or critically endangered?

Debbie in MD.

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Posted: 1/18/2014 4:36:19 PM
I do believe I read that the Humane society (maybe?) is working to prevent him bringing the "trophy" back into the US.

ETA: found an article with some info... link


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Posted: 1/18/2014 4:53:16 PM
They said they chose the rhino because he was 'an old and non-breeding male'.

I bet the asshats that decided this was a great idea are old, non-breeding males too. And seeing that the rest of us would probably be better off without assholes like them- let's have an auction!

Wait- that's not how things work?
Not for old, non-breeding people, anyway.

It's disgusting.
I don't care how they try to justify it.

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Posted: 1/18/2014 5:24:02 PM

It's disgusting.
I don't care how they try to justify it.


Ditto!



WWF (World Wide Fund for Animals) lists the Black Rhino as a species that is CRITICALLY ENDANGERED. Black Rhinos aren't just endangered, they are critically endangered!


Exactly!

If they need to do this to protect the other animals the WWF are more than capable of doing it themselves without the help of some hunter doing it for a thrill!

And it certainly won't have cost him that many $$ as no doubt he will sell the horns at a far greater price than what he has paid at the auction. The horns are highly sort after particularly to be used in chinese medicine.

There were an estimated 65,000 Black Rhino's 30 years ago and that number has not reduced to 5055.

If he's that concerned about protecting the black rhino he could have donated the $$ to a legitimate conservation group such as the WWF. I think what he's doing is deplorable.







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Posted: 1/18/2014 5:35:58 PM
Reading the responses to this is EXACTLY why this country is in bad shape. U people r fools! The rhino is going to b culled/KILLED so they offered him for the hunt to the highest bidder and the money will go toward the herd! U people r OVERREACTING and you don't understand hunting should KEEP UR MOUTH SHUT! You r bring manipulated by special interest groups that APPEAR to b looking after the animals NOT
This mentality is exactly why this country us n trouble!!!


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Posted: 1/18/2014 5:47:58 PM
Thank you so much for that link Kelly. That was exactly what I was looking for. If you follow that link it will take you to a newspaper article about this story. In the 3rd paragraph of the article there is a link to the blog of Wayne Pacelle-the president of The Humane Society. I'm not sure how to do links but you can try this hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2014/01/paying-top-dollar-to-kill-the-rarest-of-mammals.html.

On this blog is a petition to sign if you are against this. Wayne Pacelle writes,

"Because the Black Rhino is listed under the U.S. Endangered Species Act, the winner (the man we are discussing) will need to get an import permit from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services to bring the trophy home."

They are talking about body parts of the Rhino here, like his hide that the hunter wants to hang on his wall.

"The Endangered Species Act makes it clear that such permits should only be granted when the import will enhance the survival of the species in the wild."

It seems incredulous to me that they believe having an endangered species hide hanging on a person's wall in their home is going to enhance the survival of the Black Rhino in the wild. It's won't and that's the whole point.

"Once the winner applies for this import permit there will be a 30 day comment period. We (the Humane Society) plan to provide evidence to the FWS that trophy hunting a member of a critically endangered species is harmful to that species. We invite you to sign the petition that we will submit along with your comments showing that people do not support issuance of the import permit. The U.S. Government needs to understand that the American public does not support the Orwellian idea of killing endangered species to save them-even if it comes with a big cash payout."

"Where will it end? Will a Safari Club International member offer 1 million to kill an Orangutan? 2 Million for an Asian Elephant or even more for a Siberian Tiger? The first rule of protecting the rarest animals in the wild is to protect every member of that species."
Wayne Pacelle

He is right! If you are against this please take the time to sign the petition and to leave comments if you wish. The only way this can be stopped is to let your voices be heard. I've signed it. Many voices can bring changes.


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Posted: 1/18/2014 5:51:01 PM

Reading the responses to this is EXACTLY why this country is in bad shape. U people r fools! The rhino is going to b culled/KILLED so they offered him for the hunt to the highest bidder and the money will go toward the herd! U people r OVERREACTING and you don't understand hunting should KEEP UR MOUTH SHUT! You r bring manipulated by special interest groups that APPEAR to b looking after the animals NOT
This mentality is exactly why this country us n trouble!!!
i'm surprised, given that you managed to type out 'overreacing' that simple words such as you, are, be, and your were beyond your ability.

As for the OP, if the male was past breeding age, I agree with Carla.


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Posted: 1/18/2014 7:45:50 PM

If you are a conservationist, then donate $350,000 for animal conservation, without the reward of killing and mounting a trophy. It's not the fact that there are rhinos that need to be put down that is a problem for me. Have the proper authorities manage that in a humane way.


This. Exactly this.



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Posted: 1/18/2014 8:01:48 PM

Reading the responses to this is EXACTLY why this country is in bad shape. U people r fools! The rhino is going to b culled/KILLED so they offered him for the hunt to the highest bidder and the money will go toward the herd! U people r OVERREACTING and you don't understand hunting should KEEP UR MOUTH SHUT! You r bring manipulated by special interest groups that APPEAR to b looking after the animals NOT
This mentality is exactly why this country us n trouble!!!

No, what's wrong with this country is idiots like you who can't spell out simple words.

You type like a 12-year-old, and yet you are 60+. Is that correct?



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Posted: 1/18/2014 8:37:29 PM
I'm a vegan. I don't eat meat, however it is killed, because I find it morally repugnant. But I actually don't have a huge problem with this particular instance. The old rhino needs to be culled. Yes, it can be euthanized. But this way, they have raised a huge amount of money towards the conservation of the remaining healthy animals.The manner of death isn't particularly horrid, compared to factory farmed chickens that can't stand due to crowded pens and genetically modified giant breasts, or any manner of animal kept for food right here in the USA.

The hunter, personally, with his "I killed 120 species" I find repugnant. I wouldn't do it, because I don't find killing animals for pleasure something I could do. I don't have a problem with killing animals who are old, sick or need to be euthanized though, and that is what this seems to be. I'd rather the carcass wasn't paraded as a trophy, because it is disrespectful, but still- the money for conservation is substantial and in the real world tough choices must be made.


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Posted: 1/18/2014 8:43:11 PM
I was too pissed to take the time. Besides, autocorrect makes fools of us all!! Lol


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Posted: 1/18/2014 8:49:58 PM



The government could have killed off these rhinos and no one would be the wiser and no fuss would be made. Instead they came up with a way to make money for a cause. And this guy is getting his life threatened because he chose to participate.

Rather ironic if you ask me.
I agree with this, word for word.


The hunter, personally, with his "I killed 120 species" I find repugnant. I wouldn't do it, because I don't find killing animals for pleasure something I could do
I do not hunt. I can't even stomach the thought of taking an animals life, but hunting is this guy's job. He is paid to do these hunts. He is a guide for others to hunt.

This hunt isn't going to make others take off to try and hunt a black rhino as well. For one, most people aren't going to pony up the $350,000 to do so. The meat will go to locals. The "trophy" may or may not make it back to the US. This rhino is probably going to die soon. This way the locals benefit.

If this was an everyday, hell every year occurrence, I would definitely question it but it is not.


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Posted: 1/18/2014 8:51:07 PM

Reading the responses to this is EXACTLY why this country is in bad shape. U people r fools! The rhino is going to b culled/KILLED so they offered him for the hunt to the highest bidder and the money will go toward the herd! U people r OVERREACTING and you don't understand hunting should KEEP UR MOUTH SHUT! You r bring manipulated by special interest groups that APPEAR to b looking after the animals NOT
This mentality is exactly why this country us n trouble!!!

I can't take you seriously with all the text speak and CAPITALIZATION!!!
Ridiculous.

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Posted: 1/18/2014 9:58:49 PM

KEEP UR MOUTH SHUT!

This right here is enough to keep me from taking her seriously.

Rude, rude, rude!


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Posted: 1/18/2014 10:24:14 PM
"And it certainly won't have cost him that many $$ as no doubt he will sell the horns at a far greater price than what he has paid at the auction. The horns are highly sort after particularly to be used in chinese medicine. "
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You really think that a self-made millionaire, a man who spends his life in conservation of wildlife, is going to pay $350,000 to hunt an old rhino, just so he can turn around and sell the horns on the illegal black market? Are you stupid??

Once again, the ignorance and over wrought emotion is sickening. This man is getting death threats. His family is getting death threats. Over an old rhino that the scientists and conservationist agree should be culled for the good of the species. And if the government did the culling, they'd shoot it too. So why not let a rich man pay to do it, and benefit the entire country? It's the perfect transfer of wealth you all love so much. It is voluntary tho...I forget you all only like it if it is forced at the end of a government gun.

The $& he paid is only for the permit I think. He still has to pay for the trip, the hunt, and all the other fees involved. I know people who have taken African safaris. This man will spend many tens of thousands more in the local economy on top of the $350k. It's a win win for the locals and the herd.





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