Cricut Explore. Here's what I noticed.

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Posted 1/22/2014 by Oh No! in General Scrappin'
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Posted: 1/22/2014 1:53:51 PM
the video of the new machine on cricut.com -- about halfway through they show the machine cutting hot pink paper. It looks like the typical Cricut cut -- chewing up the paper. I marvel that they did not try for a better shot of the machine cutting.

So glad I moved on.

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Posted: 1/22/2014 1:58:50 PM
I didn't watch the video. I never had any complaints about the quality of cuts when I had a cricut. I just wanted more creative ability in the software, that's why I moved on to a Silhouette.

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Posted: 1/22/2014 2:25:25 PM
Interesting that you noticed that. I was just using my Expression (the original one) and it was making a mess of my paper - I had to snip some of the letters out and smooth some of the shapes. And this was with decent cardstock where I'd expect a good cut. Sigh. I would have hoped this new machine would cut really well. I've heard the eclips gives a precise cut, and I assume from all the Cameo fans here that the Silhouette machines do as well.

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Posted: 1/22/2014 2:49:36 PM
Use a 60 degree blade in your cricut and slow down. I have always gotten good cuts with my cricuts for years.

I own a Cameo which cuts precise on thin materials and doesn't do much on thicker. And I own a Brother ScanNCut that cuts precise and thicker stuff...very well rounded machine.

I am only interested in the score and cut function it claims to have. I want to see if this means just use the scoring blade or some upgrade.

However if I had known this was coming, I might have never got a cameo. I own so many cartridges that I can't find anything to buy in the silhouette store or other SVG sites. I like being able to use my cricut cartridges.


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Posted: 1/22/2014 4:21:50 PM

Use a 60 degree blade in your cricut and slow down. I have always gotten good cuts with my cricuts for years.


What is a 60 degree blade? Is that different from the standard Cricut blade? I usually cut at a slow speed, so I doubt my speed is causing my issues. While I will never buy another Cricut, I still use the one I have on a regular basis to cut svg files (I have SCAL2) and I'd love to get better cuts from it, so any advice is appreciated.

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Posted: 1/22/2014 4:29:43 PM

Use a 60 degree blade in your cricut and slow down. I have always gotten good cuts with my cricuts for years.


What is a 60 degree blade? Is that different from the standard Cricut blade? I usually cut at a slow speed, so I doubt my speed is causing my issues. While I will never buy another Cricut, I still use the one I have on a regular basis to cut svg files (I have SCAL2) and I'd love to get better cuts from it, so any advice is appreciated.


The only time I had troubles was when my pressure was too high. Have you adjusted that?

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Posted: 1/22/2014 5:01:50 PM
I usually have my pressure on 4 for regular cardstock. What pressure settings do you recommend for cardstock, thick cardstock and thin patterned paper?

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Posted: 1/22/2014 6:20:25 PM

I own a Cameo which cuts precise on thin materials and doesn't do much on thicker.


I am not sure how you define think but I cut only heavy cardstock on my Cameo, and it cuts clean and without any problem. I recently cut a gold coverstock that was almost the weight of poster board, and it cut beautifully.

However, back to the original topic of this message thread, I noticed quite a few things about the Explore. I checked out their official Facebook page, Joy's video of the launch, and everything else I could find on it, mainly due to morbid curiosity, to see if Provo Craft is still in (what I view as) self-destruct mode.

The mention of the Explore being able to use true type (computer) fonts is stated in such a way that it is not clear if you need the subscription for cutting your computer fonts or not. You definitely need the subscription for cutting either SVG or DXF files. The mention of the ability to cut computer fonts comes AFTER mention of the subscription, so I can't help but wonder.

In watching Joy's video of the presentation at the launch by Provo Craft's CEO, he obviously expected his hand picked audience of longtime Cricut supporters to be excited about the subscription announcement, which would allow users access to half of the Cricut library, but they only cheered (on demand) when he said something to make it clear that he expected them to show more excitement. It seemed to me that their enthusiasm was less than sincere.

The claim that you can design your own files is not at all what most people probably expect. You can scan in your own artwork--they showed someone's pencil sketch-- but as a cutting file designer who has had a lot of experience, pencil sketches rarely make good, clean cutting files without some tweaking in a decent graphics program. Most file designers use a graphics program of some kind. The picture of the Explore screen shows very few tool options, and none of them are related to actual file design. Custom design is a lot more than adding text to Provo Craft artwork, which is all the CEO showed for "design" capabilities. I thought at first that I should give him benefit of the doubt, that perhaps that was all HE could do, but after looking at the pictures of the screen, and other info posted about the Explore, design capability appears to be extremely limited. Users seem to be expected to want everything done for them, with the ability to make slight adaptations on their part.

I also noticed that for every question on their Facebook page, the same standard, scripted answers were given, over and over. If the question wasn't answered by the script, it was either ignored, or the scripted answer was given as if that answered the questions (even though it was an obvious dodge).

Despite what my many posts on this subject may seem, I do not hate Provo Craft. They used to be a company I liked and patronized. I used to love a lot of their products. They have eliminated many of the products I loved in order to focus on the electronic cutting market. They started out smart, with a system that could stand alone and was easier than other options available, so they were targeting a different group of crafters. Selling on HSN, and then getting their machines in Michaels and other big box stores was smart, too. I didn't care for a lot of the early Cricut cartridges, but eventually they offered some I liked, and I bought a Cricut, even though I had better electronic cutters. I have watched in dismay as Provo Craft has made decisions that alienated many customers. I have been frustrated in seeing them try to imitate their competitors without giving the same value or service. They have broken promises to customers, released machines without working out all the bugs, then discontinued support after customers had paid a lot of money (the Imagine being the worst example), and now they seem to be trying to force their customers into a tiny little box that they control. Do they expect customers to rubber stamp everything they do, when it is obvious that they are not as concerned about the customer as the fact that they have lost a lot of money and customers to their competitors?

Their competitors are doing well because they offer both value and service, something that Provo Craft has forgotten how to do. Provo Craft essentially shot themselves in the foot (or perhaps a more vital part) with the lawsuits, and they continue to make stupid decisions.

The Explore does have some nice features, and the blade and machine in general are reportedly better quality. But although it can cut heavier materials, it is not all that the hype is making it out to be. Easy, yes, but they could have made a machine that was the best of both worlds, that allowed users to use it as a stand alone OR with their computer software. They could have modeled their subscription more after Silhouette's and offered the SVG and DXF capabilities for free, but instead they evidently intend to hold customers hostage on that point, to force them to continue to subscribe indefinitely.

And with that last point, I think they shot themselves in the foot. Again.


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Posted: 1/22/2014 7:24:40 PM
Couldn't agree more with Scrapn Nana! Provo Craft has an uncanny ability to do themselves more harm than good in many areas. Machines are released with wonderful promises for future features! Unfortunately, there are usually so many bugs in the machines initially, that the promised features get pushed off into infinity. Their customer service is notoriously bad, their handling of issues when they arise are often inadequately addressed or just plain fumbled. I remember the mats with the original Cricut...what a mess! Many of the Expressions would not cut a true circle and it seemed you either hated or loved the Gypsy, there was no middle ground. With CRR, you design, they own...and you will probably now see your designs selling at .99 a pop! Provo Craft has always manufactured their cutters with a "hostage" mentality and I see this one as no different!

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Posted: 1/22/2014 8:06:49 PM
LOL, so glad somebody else noticed the blade chewing up the paper on that cut in the video. SO nice to have fellow scrapbookers here who get it.

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Posted: 1/23/2014 12:06:54 AM
It's always irritated me that I can't move the images around to where I want them. If I do a layered cut with different colors of paper I have to do separate cuts for each one. I know I can go to the CCR but that's too much trouble, especially if I'm in a hurry. That's one thing I would think they should have fixed since this is supposed to be their high tech machine.


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Posted: 1/23/2014 1:43:41 AM

It seems like they just are targeting people who have never used any type of die cutting machine before.


I noticed that too especially with the new dial. The dial that has cardstock, fabric, etc, etc... I thought it was a bit silly but I have been die cutting for years so I know my blade depths by heart. I can see how a new user would be relieved to have the settings laid out like that. The only thing I keep thinking is the new users are going to find out quickly that even if it says to turn to cardstock the fabric setting might be better. ProvoCraft always forgets people live in different climates, humidity levels & other factors that effect how cardstock cuts on machines.

The 60 degree blade is the new German carbide blade that ProvoCraft is touting on the new machine. I have been saying for years to use 60 degree blades with our die cutters. They provide more accurate, precise and stable cutting. Trust me don't buy ProvoCraft's German Carbide blade when you need a replacement. Just Google 60 degree carbide blades. It's the same thing.

I also use these blades in my Cameo. I have a special blade holder my husband made for me to use on my Cameo.


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Posted: 1/23/2014 2:50:24 AM
Now I see how it scores and cuts in one pass..two blade housings. Ok this might make me buy it.I hate perforated score lines and I hated changing the blade mid cut.

And my cameo doesn't cut anything heavier than AC cardstock beautifully. It failed miserably during a major project using coated glimmer stock. I had to turn to my cricut which handled it wonderfully. I am not the only one that is willing to admit the cameo doesn't cut thick well.


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Posted: 1/23/2014 7:57:39 AM
I have both the cameo and CE, I did dump my pazzles. M keeping them both until someone comes out with something I can do and cut everything on!


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Posted: 1/23/2014 8:14:09 AM

It looks like the typical Cricut cut -- chewing up the paper.


This is not typical for my cricut machine.

I have both the baby bug and a Cameo; I really don't use either one very often. I prefer the ease of use of the Cricut (I use it for quick letters) and I prefer the "buy one image at a time" of the Cameo. I have a use, albeit not very often, for both in my room. When they die, I'm not sure I'd replace either one.


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Posted: 1/23/2014 12:53:58 PM
Also after reading more and watching videos of this new cricut I've decided it's not the thing foe me. I wanted an updated Gypsy device with a bigger screen. I take my Gypsy on the go with me which means I can't always be connected to the Internet! Creativity strikes me whenever it decides to and I'm not always near wifi.

I am so happy to hear about the 60 degree blade! I have a Create and E2. I would love to have better cuts when it comes to curves. So I will look for decent priced 60 degree blades for my current machines.


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Posted: 1/23/2014 1:02:59 PM
Provo Craft announced today that the ability to cut svg files on the Explore will be free! They said they were changing this because of consumer request.

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Posted: 1/24/2014 1:02:27 AM

And my cameo doesn't cut anything heavier than AC cardstock beautifully. It failed miserably during a major project using coated glimmer stock. I had to turn to my cricut which handled it wonderfully. I am not the only one that is willing to admit the cameo doesn't cut thick well.


I admit the Cameo doesn't cut thick cardstock well either. It's GSM's is under 250. You go to Graphtec's site and it states that. I have always said Graphtec machines are the best for detailed work and it's P&C feature. If you want a good machine for heavy duty work get a Roland. Now, I always keep a Roland and Graphtec machine in my room.

For anybody I confused Roland & Graphtec are the two companies who make all the machines on the market today.


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Posted: 1/25/2014 7:16:19 PM
OK So Cricut just announced Explore and that you can cut SVGs for free. With the Silhouette, you pay $50. NOTHING BEATS FREE. Silhouette - $50: Cricut Explore - $0. SO again, the Silhouette requires people to buy software for $50. Cricut Explore - FREE.

My friend visited them at Alt Summit - she told me that the precision was unbelievable. They are introducing CUT SMART, German Carbide blade. This will be cool!

They have a new management team. History is irrelevent - what matters is the future.

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Posted: 1/25/2014 7:21:33 PM
Found this interesting. Shows reasons behind the amazing precision. Does silhouette have something similar so I can compare.

http://content.cricut.com/b/pdfs/Cricut-Explore-Cut-Smart-and-the-Precision-Revolution.pdf

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Posted: 1/25/2014 8:08:12 PM
alexialexi, did you sign up on two peas just to try to pass around your provocraft look-aid


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Posted: 1/26/2014 12:38:39 AM
I stopped by the LSS today, and the gal who used to teach the Cricut classes was there. I asked her if she had heard about the new machine. This gal was one of the first to get an Imagine by calling as soon as they went on sale at HSN. She had always loved all things Cricut! (Notice the past tense.)

She told me, "I won't spend another dime on anything Cricut."

For what it's worth, alexialexi, the original announcement was that a $10/month subscription was going to be required for the ability to cut SVG files on the Explore. SO many customers were outraged at the initial subscription requirement that most said they wouldn't buy the Explore if they had to subscribe for that capability. Provo Craft was looking at the very real possibility that not enough customers would buy the new machine that Provo Craft had just spent bundles of money developing. They announced two days after launch that the SVG capability would be free. It was a complete reversal, something I have never seen Provo Craft do before.

alexialexi, I'm NOT trying to be snarky, but you've thrown down the gauntlet, so let's do a real world price check. There are Silhouette sales on a regular basis. I bought my Silhouette Cameo for $229. I bought the designer software upgrade (adding the SVG capability) for $30. Together, for a cost of $259, they still cost less than the Explore, which is reportedly going to sell for $299. I doubt there will be any sales on the Explore for quite awhile, so WHO is going to be paying more for that SVG capability?


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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:53:23 AM
Not sure where you are finding those prices Here are their prices

$49.99
http://www.silhouetteamerica.com/shop/software-and-download-cards/item-group/silhouette-studio-designer-edition

$299.99
http://www.silhouetteamerica.com/shop/machines/item-number/silhouette+cameo

Total: $349
I am not talking about Imagine but Explore. Feels more advanced and user friendly than cameo. Allows me more creativity with free SVGs

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Posted: 1/26/2014 3:23:40 AM
I just deleted two long posts. You know I am really tired. I have gotten two hours sleep every night for the past week. I have a sleep deprived job so I am quite lucid. When I write I come off as mean and flaming when I am tired.

Alexia- You asked if Silhouette has a chart you can compare. Yes, they do on their Graphtec site. I hope that helps you.

I would like to say to you big welcome to 2Peas. I look forward to hearing your input on the new Cricut Explore, see your creations, and your excitement about the new machines.


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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:40:20 AM

Not sure where you are finding those prices Here are their prices


I bought everything during sales in November and December. However, there is another thread which mentioned a sale on their machine bundles right now. You have to be on their email list to find out about the sales, but there are places, such as Amazon, that often have decent deals. There are sales on Silhouette machines and products on a regular basis.

There is another message thread on deals on the machines. You can find the link here:

Message thread asking where to find cheapest place to buy Silhouette

People here often tip off others about sales. That is how I found out about the sale on the upgrade for the software.

I am sorry if I came across curt, unfriendly, or snarky, but your first post was knocking Silhouette for charging for the designer software when it was free with the Explore. Well, at the Explore launch it was NOT going to be free till so many people said they weren't going to buy the Explore because of the subscription requirement (which would have cost a lot more in the long run than the one time charge for the Silhouette upgrade).

When I mentioned the Imagine in my response, it was only in the first paragraph and was to emphasize how the gal who taught the Cricut classes at the LSS was once so enthusiastic about everything Cricut. She refuses to spend any more money on Provo Craft products. If someone like her has become disillusioned with Provo Craft/Cricut, then Provo Craft has made some serious mistakes. History is NOT irrelevant, as you say. Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Everything else I said that had to do with the Explore, I specifically mentioned the Explore by name.

In all fairness, it does appear that the Explore machine is better made than some previous machine releases from Provo Craft, and the Explore blade appears to be better, too. Perhaps Provo Craft IS finally learning from their past mistakes. I hope so, for the sake of those who still love Cricut.

The Explore machine is intended to be easy to use, which has always been one of Cricut machines' strong points. Many customers DO want something easy to use.

Please do show us projects that you make with your new machine when you get it! And feel free to share what you love about it, too. The problem with your first couple of posts, however, and why I reacted so strongly, is that you came across as criticizing another company's prices that you evidently know little about, in order to promote the Explore. You sounded like a Provo Craft employee trying to get free advertising and criticize the competition at the same time. Advertising is against the rules.

If I made you feel unwelcome, I apologize. I should know better than to post at 1:30 a.m. when I am tired.

And seriously, if you want to show us the great things you make with your Explore and what you love about it from your own personal experience with using it, that kind of sharing is actually very welcome. Please just avoid sounding like a paid advertiser for Provo Craft since you are new here and people don't really know you or where you are coming from. It is all too easy to misunderstand the written word on the Internet.

This is (usually) a great place to be. Despite the rocky start, I would like to welcome you to Two Peas and hope you end up liking it here.


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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:06:34 AM
I'm just glad to learn about the 60 degree blades! LOL! I use my Cricut mostly for bulletin boards and other school related stuff. I do get frustrated when it chews up heavier cardstock. I can't wait to try those blades. Maybe they will renew my love for using my machine scrapping.


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Posted: 1/26/2014 10:30:54 AM
ultimately it comes down to the images. Cricut will have the store with 50k images, but will they be better than the silhouettes images? And eclips 2 is going to have a image store too, and how will the images look there. I really wanted a pazzles, but the image store has nothing I want.


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Posted: 1/26/2014 11:59:52 AM
I agree with Scrappin Nana. Silhouette machines are always on sale. Back when Oh My Crafts was still good, I got mine for $217. I also bought my upgraded software for $24.99 on sale. There are so many places to buy the machines and software for less.

I also wonder if the Explore will be able to cut any font or trace images? Not that I would buy another Cricut, but I use these features a lot on my Cameo.




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Posted: 1/26/2014 12:30:05 PM
LOL watching that video. Since the video is actually a sales pitch you'd think they'd be more careful. Obviously whoever did the demo probably had the speed and pressure set wrong. I did a lot of trial and error on my E2 and now I really don't have problems with paper ripping or jamming.


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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:22:44 PM

I also wonder if the Explore will be able to cut any font or trace images? Not that I would buy another Cricut, but I use these features a lot on my Cameo.


Their info on the Explore says it will cut computer fonts.

They state that you can scan in a sketch and turn it into a cutting file, so I assume there is some sort of trace feature. There weren't a lot of details about it, though.


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Posted: 1/26/2014 2:35:09 PM

Obviously whoever did the demo probably had the speed and pressure set wrong.


That's the thing...on the new machine you aren't supposed to even have to set depth, pressure, speed, etc. It's settings are pre-set so all you have to do is move the dial to the right material you are cutting and then cut. I don't have cutting issues with my Cricuts, but I feel for whoever buys this machine for that purpose (precision cutting) because I just don't think it's there. Glad I got my Cameo. I guess we will see on HSN.

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Posted: 1/28/2014 11:56:33 AM
I watched the video and must be blind, because I see no paper tearing. Anyways... I will be first in line for this machine!! I was close to getting a cameo, but refrained because I own so many carts! I am one happy girl, I've never had a problem with a single PC product, so I can only go from my personal experience with them. I realize this company isn't for everyone, but for me.... I'm a happy happy scrapper!


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Posted: 1/28/2014 12:20:55 PM

ultimately it comes down to the images. Cricut will have the store with 50k images, but will they be better than the silhouettes images? And eclips 2 is going to have a image store too, and how will the images look there. I really wanted a pazzles, but the image store has nothing I want.


I have to agree with this. I think Cricut has made a machine that is sounding pretty comparable to the silhouette. Unfortunately many of the features won't be out at launch which is too bad and I would wait to purchase until those features do come out and all the bugs are worked out. I know provo craft has made some terrible business decisions but really, everyone's needs are different when it comes to crafting and some people may like the cricut explore, while other's will like the cameo and there is nothing wrong with that!

I think it will come down to images and what kind of images people are looking for. Some may not agree with Cricut's way of their subscription.

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Posted: 1/28/2014 4:01:20 PM

I think it will come down to images and what kind of images people are looking for. Some may not agree with Cricut's way of their subscription.


This is important if you plan to use ready made cutting files, especially if you don't want to design your own cutting files at all.


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Posted: 1/28/2014 5:13:34 PM
There is one major difference between the new Explore and the Cameo - the internet! You do NOT need to be on the internet to use the Silhouette software - either the free one or the Designer Edition. You MUST be on the internet to use Design Space for the Explore.

I was an avid die hard cricut lover since 2006 until last September when I saw what the Cameo could cut - in size and intricacy. I was amazed (and still amazed). It still took me some time to jump over to the cameo. I sold my 300+ cartridges first, then my imagine (only after seeing the print and cut with the cameo - which won't be available on the explore until later this year) and then my beloved gypsy.

I realized that I was not going to go back to the cricut but if I did, I still have CCR and my 7 yr old expression. I was holding on to this last bite of my cricut life "just in case". Well that just in case came yesterday. My Cameo was being temperamental (which was resolved by a reboot) so I got out my expression and found an image on CCR that would work. Now, I know what settings my machine needs to be on to get pretty good cuts, but was still disappointed at how the blade was not cutting all the way through in spots. I guess I thought those issues would just go away. So that being said, I will finally cut the apron strings, so to speak, and move on.

I hope those that buy the new machine (it does sound great) enjoy their new toys and have no problems with them. I only had a few problems with the machines I had, even my replacement imagine worked great as long as I didn't hook her up to CCR.

I, personally, do not want to be tied to the internet as I go to retreats where internet is not available - I know hard to believe in this day n age, right javascript:void(0).

One last note, Design Space may be free, but it will not do half what the Designer Edition will do. My major love with this program - being able to download paper, fill an image with that pattern, then being able to adjust the pattern position in the image and also the transparency! Then print and cut. What I had hoped the imagine would do.

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Posted: 2/10/2014 11:53:29 AM

History is irrelevent - what matters is the future.


Only someone who hasn't learned from the past, would say something so ridiculous.

I've been looking for info on this machine, since I want to upgrade. It looks great to me- but I'm leery because of Provo's track record.

I'm anxious to see what happens in the real world as the machine becomes available- but no way will I buy it right away. I'll wait for the glitch reports, the 'fixes' and then the 'new and improved' model. So- maybe next year? LOL

In spite of all of this- I love my Cricut. I waited a long time to buy it (because you know, I didn't need it..I really didn't need it...really) but it's been great for my purposes. No trouble with tearing paper, no trouble with cartridges or cutting different material.

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Posted: 2/10/2014 12:14:39 PM
The reveal is happening on HSN Feb 12th. I'm pretty excited! I love my Cricut! It looks like the MSRP is around 299$ so you know HSN will have a bunch of add-ons and keep it around/lower then that. With the flex pay I know what I'm buying myself as a belated birthday/early valentines day gift!
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Posted: 2/10/2014 7:12:29 PM
I contemplated on purchasing the new Cricut Explore. But, I am getting the Silhouette Cameo. I wanted something that I could draw my own images and designs, scan then write with the machine or cut them. Branching out in the design area. I purchased my computer a couple of days and (on sale from Dell) and found the designer edition program for $29.99 today. Sill can't decide which laser or ink jet printer to go with. So many decisions.

Just a note; I have had my Cricut Expression for 4 years and I do really like it. Keeping it.


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Found this very helpful the night before I plan to buy.

http://content.cricut.com/b/pdfs/CricutExplore%20CompetitiveAnalysis.pdf

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I wanted to wait before I responded to Scrap n Nana's messages. I felt a bit intimidated by the brusqueness. Well rather than take the same tone, I have been researching over the past few days. I spoke to many of my friends about "Imagine" and totally agree that the Imagine was a HUGE mistake. I then called Cricut and questioned "Why should I believe that Cricut Explore is a better machine". The lady mentioned to me that Cricut had hired a new CEO/President and he is focused on building amazing products. I then researched their new CEO. His name is Ashish Arora and then I went to his linked in and realized that Cricut Explore reflects his vision.

http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=16198786&trk=nav_responsive_tab_profile

I then researched him and several of the product people. Many of them mention their involvement in Cricut Explore. Ladies, the Cricut Explore is not an Imagine. It is the vision of their new CEO. The nice lady in customer service told me that everyone in the company is using the product and they LOVE it. The CEO tests the product himself. He was trained by people from Apple.

I for one was inspired by the remarkable passion that 100s of people spent their last 18 months on. Cricut (because of Imagine) has taken a lot of beating. But now I believe they are committed to building high quality. I could hear in the customer service lady on how much she believed in the Cricut Explore.Even if we are not planning to buy, we need to hear the story of Cricut Explore and not keep dragging "Imagine". It was a mistake and Cricut has payed dearly for it. Now' lets give them a chance to tell their Cricut Explore story.

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Posted: 2/11/2014 5:35:05 AM
I've noticed Cricut has people working for them posting to boards to pump up the new machine (I know other companies do that too). Although with Provo Craft's checkered past I would be leery to be a name brand like Anna Griffin who ties my reputation to it knowing how that company runs.

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Posted: 2/11/2014 6:40:42 AM
These threads about Cricuts and Cameos are always so interesting. It's almost like a war, you gotta pick one side or the other. I've always wondered why some people who own a Cricut bash the Cameo and vice versa. (Notice I said some, not all.) I don't think one product is better than the other, it's just a matter of preference and what works best for you.

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Posted: 2/11/2014 7:44:46 AM
I agree tfsinga. It is like a bad drug or bad reality TV series that you keep on reading or commenting too. I like my Cricut & Cameo. I am happy with both. I was in my art studio last night. I thought to myself I like my Cameo & Cricut. I don't need anything else. I am happy with what I got.

I am not going to buy the Explore any time soon though. Not because of any reason just that I am happy with what I have right now. It fits my art needs.

I do want an iPad app for my cutters. I rather wait until the apps are streamlined for the respective machines that will be coming out (Sizzix, Zing, Cricut Explore etc...) I like my iPad and I don't want it to blow up, lol.



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Posted: 2/11/2014 8:42:20 AM

These threads about Cricuts and Cameos are always so interesting. It's almost like a war, you gotta pick one side or the other. I've always wondered why some people who own a Cricut bash the Cameo and vice versa. (Notice I said some, not all.) I don't think one product is better than the other, it's just a matter of preference and what works best for you.


If an individual has only owned one electronic cutter, that would be a relatively natural assumption to make. However, there was no "war" before Provo Craft alienated so many of its customers with its lawsuits against those who made software that was compatible with the Cricut.

A significant number of Silhouette owners are former Cricut owners who got upset with Provo Craft or who wanted to do more than they could with their Cricut machines, so they switched to a Silhouette (Cameo or Portrait). Having owned more than one brand of machine, they understandably tend to compare the machines and the companies. Most Silhouette owners seem to be much happier with their Silhouette, but there are a few who still preferred the Cricut after buying the Cameo. There are also some like lylacfey who are happy with both machines. I tend to fall into the latter category, but I honestly think Provo Craft has shot itself in the foot too many times, and I am upset that they discontinued the Gypsy and have stated on their website that they have no plans to ever come out with a new version of the Gypsy.

I own 2 Cricuts (original Expression & Expression 2) + a Gypsy +104 cartridges. I also own the Silhouette Cameo. I like my Cricut and still use it occasionally, but I love my Cameo because I can do so much more with it, and it is far less expensive to buy designs for it.

The Cricut can stand alone and go to crops easier, and it reportedly cuts chipboard better. The Cameo is better at literally everything else, especially at cutting fine, small details, and it allows users to create their own designs.

I have gotten far better customer service from Silhouette than I did from Provo Craft the last couple of times I had to call them.

Provo Craft has a poor history/track record when it comes to quality control on their machines. They had to replace my first Gypsy. The Imagine had even more problems, with reportedly half of them having to be replaced when first released. Provo Craft also has a track record of making promises that they never kept. Customers who have gotten burned by Provo Craft tend to remember those things. It DOES sound as though the Explore might be better engineered and better quality, but you can't blame former Cricut owners for being wary or having strong opinions on the matter.


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Well ScrapnNana I have gone through the same journey. I have a Cameo and love it. I just have done the research to love Explore even better. I am just making sure that we bring the best information as of today and not be stuck in the bitterness from the past. It is what allows our Craft industry to come up with amazing innovation for us.

You say that the Cameo cuts better. But you have no real data - I have now seen the precision cutting - way better than my cameo. The Cricut Explore blew mind (much to my surprise) with it's ability to cut the smallest, most intricate cuts. I used my OWN SVG for free.

Your entire position and all your forum posts (over 10 of them) make me believe that Silhouette is paying you to say all this. PLEASE get accurate data and our goal should be to make this forum "fact" based and "not" based on grudging past. You NEED to at least read up on the information before being so active on this forum.

I refuse to be so close minded. Anyways, I will continue to provide the best information and do the research myself. Here are two big Silhouette bloggers (may be ex silhouette) on Cricut Explore and taking the time to better bring great information to their readers with very well informed research about the NEW cricut team and their new products.

http://tatertotsandjello.com/2014/02/new-cricut-explore.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FOivM+(Tatertots+and+Jello)

http://www.theidearoom.net/2014/02/new-cricut-explore.html

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Well ScrapnNana I have gone through the same journey. I have a Cameo and love it. I just have done the research to love Explore even better. I am just making sure that we bring the best information as of today and not be stuck in the bitterness from the past. It is what allows our Craft industry to come up with amazing innovation for us.

You say that the Cameo cuts better. But you have no real data - I have now seen the precision cutting - way better than my cameo. The Cricut Explore blew mind (much to my surprise) with it's ability to cut the smallest, most intricate cuts. I used my OWN SVG for free.

Your entire position and all your forum posts (over 10 of them) make me believe that Silhouette is paying you to say all this. PLEASE get accurate data and our goal should be to make this forum "fact" based and "not" based on grudging past. You NEED to at least read up on the information before being so active on this forum.


Since you have obviously chosen to attack me personally, I think I have a right to defend myself.

Read my posts carefully. I never said the Cameo cuts better than the Explore, only better than my Cricut Expressions (both of them). That is my own personal observation.

No, I do not work for Silhouette. I do not get paid a dime for anything I say here. Let me give you my background, and since I have been posting here for seven years, my posting history will back up what I say. Feel free to check it. Only please read more carefully than you evidently have read my posts in this thread.

I bought a (blue) Wishblade in 2005, a machine made by the same company that manufactures the Silhouette machine. My Wishblade was a workhorse. I used it to create projects that I taught at the LSS, which helped pay for the machine. I also used it to create cutting files for sale and earned enough to get a BossKut Gazelle, which I loved. I quit the cutting file design team that I was on for five years because I was no longer getting paid for my work, and I wanted to start renovating my home, which would leave me no time for design work anyway. I bought my first Cricut because I liked some of the Cricut designs, and I needed the convenience of ready made designs. At the time, I liked the Cricut designs better than what I saw offered in the Silhouette store. I started with 4 cartridges and thought that would satisfy me. Before long, though, I ended up buying more carts and a Gypsy. I eventually bought the Expression 2 because I wanted a back up machine, I got a good deal on it on a Black Friday at AC Moore, and I heard that it cut better detail than the original Expression. My Gypsy died and had to be replaced by Provo Craft. They did give me a new, working Gypsy in return since it was still under warranty, although it took three or four weeks longer than they said. I had no complaints with Provo Craft back then.

When Provo Craft alienated so many of its customers with the lawsuits, I was not one of them. I didn't use any of the third party softwares with my Cricut or other machines. I thought Provo Craft was being stupid, though, because the customers who used the 3rd party softwares were promoting the Cricut, and with the lawsuits, Provo Craft lost a ton of free advertising as well as gained a ton of unhappy customers and bad PR. Many of those unhappy customers sold their Cricuts, their cartridges, and Gypsy machines. I was not one of them. It was no skin off my nose.

I have used my Cricut E2 almost exclusively over the last several months because it was fast, easy, and portable. I used my Gypsy extensively, and would be very upset if it ever dies. When I found out that Provo Craft had discontinued the Gypsy and was trying to push everyone to online programs. I finally got fed up. I love my Gypsy! I loved that it allowed me to manipulate the cartridge designs while on the go. That was the main advantage of having the Cricut system, because I have done most of my scrapping the last couple of years at the LSS, where I scrap with a couple of friends. I didn't (and have no plans to) sell my Cricuts, or my Gypsy, or my cartridges. I have 104 cartridges, which I will keep, and use from time to time. I would certainly not get enough money from selling them to offset what I paid for them, and I still like many of the designs of the carts that I bought.

My Gazelle allowed me to create any design I wanted, had higher cutting pressure, and extensive capabilities, but over the last year it has been having some problems. I did not want to buy another Gazelle. I was looking into the KNK Zing. I finally decided it was too much money for now. I felt that I needed a replacement for my Gazelle. I was feeling extremely guilty about how much money I had spent on Provo Craft products, and I felt I really needed to have another machine that allowed me to create my own designs. I asked my husband to give me the Cameo as a combination Christmas and Anniversary gift. He was willing, and we picked it up at Michaels on Black Friday 2013, just two and a half months ago. I got one of the last machines they had. I do not think it is an item they normally carry, at least not at the Michaels where I shop.

I have loved it! The software is similar to my Wishblade, but vastly improved. I no longer need to use Illustrator CS2 to create my designs. It's faster to use the Cameo software and eliminate having to convert files. It's why I also bought the Designer software when I realized it was on sale.

No data for my conclusions? Wrong! I have FOUR electronic cutters from three different companies (Wishblade and Cameo are both made by Graphtec). I have used the Wishblade, Gazelle, and Cricut Expressions (1 & 2) extensively. I have used the Cameo a lot for the mere two and a half months I have had it (I did not wait till Christmas to use it). I have given my own opinion based on my own observations and experience. THAT is my data.

I have not used the Explore, and I thought I had made that clear. Perhaps you just skimmed my lengthy diatribes rather than actually read them.

I have been an active member of this message board for over seven years, and I have made nearly 8,000 posts. I am a very vocal person, and I give my opinion freely. You have given your opinion as well, and you accused me of being paid by Silhouette to say what I have said. I find your accusation interesting since you are so new here and claim to be keeping an open mind. Anyone who is new that goes on the attack against a longtime active member is a bit suspect. If anyone is being paid to say what they do, I suspect it is you.

You just joined in January. Interestingly enough, the Explore launch was in January. You have a total of 10 posts, and they ALL seem to be related to the Cricut Explore. Nothing else, just the Explore. You have not posted any projects. You have not joined in any other scrapping conversations.

I stand on my record and history here.

If you really have read all of my posts on the Explore, then I assume you also read that I apologized to you for being so blunt in my response to you. After apologizing, I tried to belatedly welcome you, and I encouraged you to post projects made with the Explore. You apparently ignored my apology and have chosen to return and attack me specifically and make false accusations against me.

If you (or anyone else) wants to check out my posting history, do a search of the message posts under my name and it will become quite clear that I only bought my Cameo on Black Friday. I asked questions as other new owners did. I asked recently about the delay in my receiving my subscription credits. Yes, I actually complained about Silhouette on that day. In the past I have promoted other machines, stayed on top of the cutting market (which is why I was curious about the Explore), and I recently asked about cutters that could cut leather. That is the one thing I saw about the Explore that impressed me, and I said so. However, I do not trust Provo Craft, their products, or their promises. Provo Craft is reportedly no longer providing Gypsy updates, which makes it pointless for me to buy new cartridges. I do not want to be tied to the Internet to cut. Even if the Explore turns out to be the best product Provo Craft has ever made, Provo Craft has lost my business.

Customers can be the best advertising for a company, or their worst PR headache if the customers are alienated. I am a prime example of enthusiastically promoting what I love, and being very blunt about what upsets me. Nobody pays me any money to do it.

Can you say the same? Because your new membership and posting history really do seem very coincidental. My membership and posting history will back up everything I have said.


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Posted: 2/11/2014 5:05:03 PM
alexialexi enough already. I read through the pdf and it's misleading at best, and suspect advertising at the worst. You are clearly a ProvoCraft shrill who joined this board with the sole intention of drumming up interest in their new product. You've had a whopping ten posts and they are all about the Explore and how awesome it is - although we can only assume you've never seen one in person as they aren't available yet.


You say that the Cameo cuts better. But you have no real data - I have now seen the precision cutting - way better than my cameo. The Cricut Explore blew mind (much to my surprise) with it's ability to cut the smallest, most intricate cuts. I used my OWN SVG for free.


How is it you've seen it in action? Already cut your own svg? It doesn't go on sale until sometime this week I believe and then it will be a few days before the real reviews come in. Inquiring minds want to know . . .

scrapinana has been here forever and has a long history of posting the good and bad about all of the cutting machines she has used over the years. She has been a great resource for people comparing electric die cutting machines.

You on the other hand, have no history here, other than the "rah, rah" go Cricut Explore! you've espoused on the whole sum of ten posts you've made in this forum.

Put your corporate owned pom poms down. No one is buying what you're selling.



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Posted: 2/11/2014 6:18:55 PM
Alexialexi - since you're obviously very into researching new machines, and are in some position where you got early access to a machine that isn't released yet, I'd be interested in any research you've done on the new eClips. That and the Cameo are on my short list. The Explore is out as I would never buy a Cricut after the lawsuits to prevent me from using SCAL. I'm not finding much info out there on the eClips, but I've heard it cuts very well. If you've looked into that one I'd love to hear how it compares to the Explore.

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Posted: 2/11/2014 6:24:25 PM
I have no vested interest in this machine. Yes, I liked the forum and hence was starting to participate. I don't need to champion this. I am a satisfied Cameo customer. No reason for me to add to biases. Sorry if I hurt anyone's sensitivity. I don't need any validation. By th way, there are a lot of people receiving these machines and may be one of your friends (like mine) received a machine from Cricut and you can check and see. Instagram and other social media sites are showing people checking out their machines. Happy crafting.

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Posted: 2/11/2014 6:34:15 PM
Here is one more review. And also, now I know that the machine is available March 15th in retail.

http://www.100directions.com/cricut-explore-the-new-creative-adventure/

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